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a b V Motherboard
December 19, 2004 1:23:02 AM

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How does one get digital audio out of a DVD or CD-ROM drive into the audio
system on the P5AD2-E Premium motherboard?

Is there a faq available somewhere dealing with auido issues?

It's been awhile since I've built a PC and there has always been issues with
limited input/output connectors on sound cards. Am I missing something at
this point?
December 19, 2004 1:05:47 PM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (More info?)

In article <lm7xd.7248$iE.1420@fe40.usenetserver.com>, "David Swager"
<dwswagerREMOVE@knology.net> wrote:

> How does one get digital audio out of a DVD or CD-ROM drive into the audio
> system on the P5AD2-E Premium motherboard?
>
> Is there a faq available somewhere dealing with auido issues?
>
> It's been awhile since I've built a PC and there has always been issues with
> limited input/output connectors on sound cards. Am I missing something at
> this point?

It is possible there are three ways to get audio from a CD:

1) Connect analog four pin cable from drive to CD connector.
(See lower left corner of motherboard for CD connector).
2) Don't bother with the old four pin cable. Enable DAE (digital
audio extraction), which allows the CPU to pull blocks of
digital data across the IDE cable, for playback through the
sound subsystem.
3) Try the two pin digital output on the drive. It is some kind
of PCM (pulse code modulation), but I find conflicting comments
in Google on the topic. Some claim it is SPDIF, and at least
one high end audio product hooks onto that output, and uses
some high quality DACs to make audio from the stream.

Comments in Google claim some drives have the 2 pins, but there
are no electronics in the drive, to put signals on the pins.

One person claims he connected the two pins to his SPDIF input
and it worked. (Who knows, maybe he was using DAE and didn't
know it.)

In any case, be aware that the 2x3 SPDIF header on the Asus
motherboard does not use standard SPDIF levels. SPDIF is usually
transformer isolated and low amplitude, like <1 volt or so.
The header on the Asus motherboard is intended for use with an
Asus bracket first, and the bracket converts what presumably
are logic level signals down to the low amplitude signal. One
Asus bracket I looked at, has a resistor divider network on
SPDIF_out, to convert the signal from the 2x3 header, to the
proper level. On the input, that bracket had a buffer chip,
to convert the <1 volt signal into a logic level.

Note that, there are also some older versions of the Asus bracket
that contained no buffer chip on SPDIF_in. It looks like someone
at Asus thought that the AC97 chip would amplify the signal level
or something, and a number of users were disappointed to find that
their SPDIF_in (on the ALC650) wouldn't work, even though the
chip rev number was sufficient for the purpose.

This is the bracket I would try to find, if I were to try your
experiment. Basically, you would run a coax cable from the two
pins on the drive, to the SPDIF_in on this bracket. The 14 pin
chip on the bracket converts the SPDIF_in signal to a
level suitable for the 2x3 header on the motherboard.

Since I never received any feedback from previous posters, I
don't know whether anyone could find this, or got it to work.

http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/images/accessories/SPDI...

And, this is the module I wouldn't want, as it has no buffer
chip, and the design was presumably based on a wrong assumption
about how the motherboard works:

http://www.asus.com.tw/mb/mbimages/accessories/SPDIF_CO...

AFAIK, this is the SPDIF spec for a real SPDIF device. The
Asus only meets this on the RCA jacks on the SPDIF bracket
(or any built-in jacks on the back of the motherboard).
You'll need an RCA plug, length of 75 ohm cable, plus a
couple of pins and contacts for the CDROM end of things.

Cable: 75ohm +/-5% (l<10m) or 75ohm +/-35% (l>10m)
* Line driver:
* Zout: 75ohm +/-20% (100kHz .. 6Mhz)
* Vout: 0.4Vpp .. 0.6Vpp, <0.05Vdc (75ohm terminated)
* Line receiver:
* Zin: 75ohm +/-5%
* Vin: 0.2Vpp .. 0.6Vpp

If you go to this site http://frontx.com/order_c.html you can
find a 1x2 plug and some pins:

http://frontx.com/cpx075_8.html "1x2 header plug"
http://frontx.com/cpx076.html "female pins"

If the pins on the drive are on 0.1" centers, the Frontx parts
might work. But, there is a slightly smaller kind of connector
sometimes used, and I don't know where to find a solution
for that. I think the male pins in that case are smaller as
well, and the frontx pins would be a sloppy fit.

For all the hassle, I think investigating DAE is infinitely
simpler.

If you try this the hard way, please post back with your
experiences, as there are still a few people who want a
way to do SPDIF_in.

Paul
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
December 19, 2004 10:03:03 PM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (More info?)

David Swager wrote:
> How does one get digital audio out of a DVD or CD-ROM drive into the audio
> system on the P5AD2-E Premium motherboard?
>
> Is there a faq available somewhere dealing with auido issues?
>
> It's been awhile since I've built a PC and there has always been issues with
> limited input/output connectors on sound cards. Am I missing something at
> this point?
>
>
>
>

I wouldn't even bother messing with this, most CD player programs these
days can do CD playback using DAE over the IDE bus which avoids issues
with the separate connection to the CD drive.

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Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
December 27, 2004 2:54:14 AM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (More info?)

"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-1912041007000001@192.168.1.177...
> In article <lm7xd.7248$iE.1420@fe40.usenetserver.com>, "David Swager"
> <dwswagerREMOVE@knology.net> wrote:
>
>
> It is possible there are three ways to get audio from a CD:
>
> 1) Connect analog four pin cable from drive to CD connector.
> (See lower left corner of motherboard for CD connector).
> 2) Don't bother with the old four pin cable. Enable DAE (digital
> audio extraction), which allows the CPU to pull blocks of
> digital data across the IDE cable, for playback through the
> sound subsystem.
> 3) Try the two pin digital output on the drive. It is some kind
> of PCM (pulse code modulation), but I find conflicting comments
> in Google on the topic. Some claim it is SPDIF, and at least
> one high end audio product hooks onto that output, and uses
> some high quality DACs to make audio from the stream.
>
> Comments in Google claim some drives have the 2 pins, but there
> are no electronics in the drive, to put signals on the pins.
>
> One person claims he connected the two pins to his SPDIF input
> and it worked. (Who knows, maybe he was using DAE and didn't
> know it.)
>
> In any case, be aware that the 2x3 SPDIF header on the Asus
> motherboard does not use standard SPDIF levels. SPDIF is usually
> transformer isolated and low amplitude, like <1 volt or so.
> The header on the Asus motherboard is intended for use with an
> Asus bracket first, and the bracket converts what presumably
> are logic level signals down to the low amplitude signal. One
> Asus bracket I looked at, has a resistor divider network on
> SPDIF_out, to convert the signal from the 2x3 header, to the
> proper level. On the input, that bracket had a buffer chip,
> to convert the <1 volt signal into a logic level.
>
> Note that, there are also some older versions of the Asus bracket
> that contained no buffer chip on SPDIF_in. It looks like someone
> at Asus thought that the AC97 chip would amplify the signal level
> or something, and a number of users were disappointed to find that
> their SPDIF_in (on the ALC650) wouldn't work, even though the
> chip rev number was sufficient for the purpose.
>
> This is the bracket I would try to find, if I were to try your
> experiment. Basically, you would run a coax cable from the two
> pins on the drive, to the SPDIF_in on this bracket. The 14 pin
> chip on the bracket converts the SPDIF_in signal to a
> level suitable for the 2x3 header on the motherboard.
>
> Since I never received any feedback from previous posters, I
> don't know whether anyone could find this, or got it to work.
>
> http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/images/accessories/SPDI...
>
> And, this is the module I wouldn't want, as it has no buffer
> chip, and the design was presumably based on a wrong assumption
> about how the motherboard works:
>
> http://www.asus.com.tw/mb/mbimages/accessories/SPDIF_CO...
>
> AFAIK, this is the SPDIF spec for a real SPDIF device. The
> Asus only meets this on the RCA jacks on the SPDIF bracket
> (or any built-in jacks on the back of the motherboard).
> You'll need an RCA plug, length of 75 ohm cable, plus a
> couple of pins and contacts for the CDROM end of things.
>
> Cable: 75ohm +/-5% (l<10m) or 75ohm +/-35% (l>10m)
> * Line driver:
> * Zout: 75ohm +/-20% (100kHz .. 6Mhz)
> * Vout: 0.4Vpp .. 0.6Vpp, <0.05Vdc (75ohm terminated)
> * Line receiver:
> * Zin: 75ohm +/-5%
> * Vin: 0.2Vpp .. 0.6Vpp
>
> If you go to this site http://frontx.com/order_c.html you can
> find a 1x2 plug and some pins:
>
> http://frontx.com/cpx075_8.html "1x2 header plug"
> http://frontx.com/cpx076.html "female pins"
>
> If the pins on the drive are on 0.1" centers, the Frontx parts
> might work. But, there is a slightly smaller kind of connector
> sometimes used, and I don't know where to find a solution
> for that. I think the male pins in that case are smaller as
> well, and the frontx pins would be a sloppy fit.
>
> For all the hassle, I think investigating DAE is infinitely
> simpler.
>
> If you try this the hard way, please post back with your
> experiences, as there are still a few people who want a
> way to do SPDIF_in.
>
> Paul

Thanks for the responses. I ended up letting the DVD-ROM and DVD Writer use
the IDE Channel via the DAE options in the properties settings. This works
fine.

Connected a Leadtek PVR2000 TV/MPEG card to the only analog in port on the
motherboard. Funny thing is that the Sound from this card is fine in
Windows XP Media Center application, but I don't get any sound from the
Leadtek PVR application.

Thanks again!
!