Asus P5P800, Prescott, 16.5 W

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Hi!

Does anybody know if the Asus P5P800 (Socket 775) supports the
new c1E feature (enhanced halt state) of the P4 Prescott (530J)
with E0 stepping?

This feature allows a power dissipation of just 16.5 W in idle
mode (according to Toms Hardware), but the feature must be
supported by the mainboard. I can not find any information
about mainboards explicitly supporting this feature.

Link:
http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041115/pentium4_570-03.html

TIA
Bernd
 

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In article <41fa717f$0$12384$3b214f66@aconews.univie.ac.at>,
dontuse@gmx.net wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Does anybody know if the Asus P5P800 (Socket 775) supports the
> new c1E feature (enhanced halt state) of the P4 Prescott (530J)
> with E0 stepping?
>
> This feature allows a power dissipation of just 16.5 W in idle
> mode (according to Toms Hardware), but the feature must be
> supported by the mainboard. I can not find any information
> about mainboards explicitly supporting this feature.
>
> Link:
> http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041115/pentium4_570-03.html
>
> TIA
> Bernd

The latest Prescott datasheet doesn't reflect any savings for
the 530. I think Intel has yet to update their datasheet.

ftp://download.intel.com/design/Pentium4/datashts/30235103.pdf

Why not send the question to Asus tech support ?

Paul
 
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> Why not send the question to Asus tech support ?
>
> Paul

It's a support -> they do not anwer :-/

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It better, since I just bought a Pentium 4 3.2 "J" version and a P5P800 MB.
I did talk to ASUS customer support before buying and they indicated that it
should work as long as the MB Bios was 1002 or greater. I'll let you know
in a couple of days if I was lead down the wrong path. The biggest problem
I had after reading the Tom's Hardware article was trying to get ZipZoomFly
to tell me what was on the Intel CPU Box I wanted to purchase. I was never
successful!! I guess you buy from ZipZoomFly and hope. Unfortunately they
seem to have all the latest stuff at the right price.

"Bernhard Kornberger" <dontuse@gmx.net> wrote in message
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>
>> Why not send the question to Asus tech support ? Paul
>
> It's a support -> they do not anwer :-/
>
> Bernd
 

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In article <6-qdnQFNOdghKmfcRVn-hQ@comcast.com>, "Ken"
<krlorenz@comcast.net> wrote:

> It better, since I just bought a Pentium 4 3.2 "J" version and a P5P800 MB.
> I did talk to ASUS customer support before buying and they indicated that it
> should work as long as the MB Bios was 1002 or greater. I'll let you know
> in a couple of days if I was lead down the wrong path. The biggest problem
> I had after reading the Tom's Hardware article was trying to get ZipZoomFly
> to tell me what was on the Intel CPU Box I wanted to purchase. I was never
> successful!! I guess you buy from ZipZoomFly and hope. Unfortunately they
> seem to have all the latest stuff at the right price.
>
> "Bernhard Kornberger" <dontuse@gmx.net> wrote in message
> news:41fab193$0$10836$3b214f66@aconews.univie.ac.at...
> >
> >> Why not send the question to Asus tech support ? Paul
> >
> > It's a support -> they do not anwer :-/
> >
> > Bernd

Well, I hope you won't be disappointed. The datasheet I referenced,
doesn't show any savings for the two slowest processor speeds.
Maybe I should be looking at a different datasheet for the "J"
processors...

I'm only guessing at this, but the Prescott family has two
multiplier settings. There is the "normal" multiplier setting,
which is defined by the speed grade of the processor you bought.
There is also the "fallback" multiplier, and it appears to be
14x. In other words, the slowest processor in the family is
200 x 14 = 2.8GHz. A 2.8GHz processor has no where to fall
back to - it runs at 2.8GHz in "normal" mode, and it would
run at 2.8GHz if there was a situation where the fallback
multiplier was called for. The 3.8Ghz processor would fallback
to 14x multiplier.

As near as I can tell, the enhanced halt state involves using
a FID/VID change and halt at the same time. The docs I was
reading today, didn't state specifically that the processor
throttles back to the 14x multiplier, but that is the only
setting I've seen mentioned before (for the PRB - platform
requirement bit issue, which was handled in a BIOS upgrade
a while back).

What all of this means, is a 3.8GHz processor has the most to
save, as the difference between running at 3.8GHz and 2.8GHz
should give a large power saving. Changing from 3.0Ghz to
2.8Ghz would give a smaller saving.

I hope you have an ammeter to measure the current in the
ATX12V 2x2 power connector. I have a 2.8GHz S478 Northwood
processor, and idling in Win2K, the Vcore circuit draws
1.1 amps at 12V, or 13.2 watts. I use a clamp-on DC ammeter
with a Hall probe sensor to convert magnetic field to amperage
reading (no need to cut the cabling). You'll need some
kind of ammeter, to get an idea of whether the feature is
working well or not. Unless there is a way in the BIOS,
to select Halt or Enhanced Halt, there would be no way
to compare the two states.

VRD 10.1 defines the D-VID feature for the LGA775 processors.
That allows the Vcore to be reduced to the processor, by
changing the VID bits on the fly. But being a Vcore
specification, there is no mention of how the multiplier in
the processor is treated.

ftp://download.intel.com/design/Pentium4/guides/30235601.pdf

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For what its worth, I installed an Pentium 4 3.2 GHz (BX80547PG3200EJSL7PW)
in the P5P800 MB and it works just fine. Whether it will save me a couple
dollars a year in electricity I don't have a clue. I'll take Intel's word
for it!

"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-2801052303570001@192.168.1.177...
> In article <6-qdnQFNOdghKmfcRVn-hQ@comcast.com>, "Ken"
> <krlorenz@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> It better, since I just bought a Pentium 4 3.2 "J" version and a P5P800
>> MB.
>> I did talk to ASUS customer support before buying and they indicated that
>> it
>> should work as long as the MB Bios was 1002 or greater. I'll let you
>> know
>> in a couple of days if I was lead down the wrong path. The biggest
>> problem
>> I had after reading the Tom's Hardware article was trying to get
>> ZipZoomFly
>> to tell me what was on the Intel CPU Box I wanted to purchase. I was
>> never
>> successful!! I guess you buy from ZipZoomFly and hope. Unfortunately
>> they
>> seem to have all the latest stuff at the right price.
>>
>> "Bernhard Kornberger" <dontuse@gmx.net> wrote in message
>> news:41fab193$0$10836$3b214f66@aconews.univie.ac.at...
>> >
>> >> Why not send the question to Asus tech support ? Paul
>> >
>> > It's a support -> they do not anwer :-/
>> >
>> > Bernd
>
> Well, I hope you won't be disappointed. The datasheet I referenced,
> doesn't show any savings for the two slowest processor speeds.
> Maybe I should be looking at a different datasheet for the "J"
> processors...
>
> I'm only guessing at this, but the Prescott family has two
> multiplier settings. There is the "normal" multiplier setting,
> which is defined by the speed grade of the processor you bought.
> There is also the "fallback" multiplier, and it appears to be
> 14x. In other words, the slowest processor in the family is
> 200 x 14 = 2.8GHz. A 2.8GHz processor has no where to fall
> back to - it runs at 2.8GHz in "normal" mode, and it would
> run at 2.8GHz if there was a situation where the fallback
> multiplier was called for. The 3.8Ghz processor would fallback
> to 14x multiplier.
>
> As near as I can tell, the enhanced halt state involves using
> a FID/VID change and halt at the same time. The docs I was
> reading today, didn't state specifically that the processor
> throttles back to the 14x multiplier, but that is the only
> setting I've seen mentioned before (for the PRB - platform
> requirement bit issue, which was handled in a BIOS upgrade
> a while back).
>
> What all of this means, is a 3.8GHz processor has the most to
> save, as the difference between running at 3.8GHz and 2.8GHz
> should give a large power saving. Changing from 3.0Ghz to
> 2.8Ghz would give a smaller saving.
>
> I hope you have an ammeter to measure the current in the
> ATX12V 2x2 power connector. I have a 2.8GHz S478 Northwood
> processor, and idling in Win2K, the Vcore circuit draws
> 1.1 amps at 12V, or 13.2 watts. I use a clamp-on DC ammeter
> with a Hall probe sensor to convert magnetic field to amperage
> reading (no need to cut the cabling). You'll need some
> kind of ammeter, to get an idea of whether the feature is
> working well or not. Unless there is a way in the BIOS,
> to select Halt or Enhanced Halt, there would be no way
> to compare the two states.
>
> VRD 10.1 defines the D-VID feature for the LGA775 processors.
> That allows the Vcore to be reduced to the processor, by
> changing the VID bits on the fly. But being a Vcore
> specification, there is no mention of how the multiplier in
> the processor is treated.
>
> ftp://download.intel.com/design/Pentium4/guides/30235601.pdf
>
> Paul