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Nvidia Rebrands Two Graphics Cards as 600 Series for OEMs

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April 4, 2012 11:09:15 PM

I don't know why they don't just rename it the gtx 9999x. The uneducated masses clearly love those big numbers.
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April 4, 2012 11:09:39 PM

Wow... not only rebranded, but now also downclocked and memory ripped! Way to make product branding clear for the consumer.
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April 4, 2012 11:21:09 PM

"hey bro i just upgraded my old gtx460 to a new gtx620, but thanks to stupid windows and their drivers it is running horrible, now i have to wait for windows 8 so my 8 core amd cpu and video card will work"

When they rebranded the 9800gtx+ to a gts 250, i kinda shrugged because it was still a competent card(not to mention it dropped price around the same time), so there wasnt much to complain about. I don't even have a good comment for these; all i can figure is apple/dell/hp are wanting a cheap card so they can say, "WOW!!!New 600 series Nvidia card!!We are awesome, look at the price!!!"

I am aware this is a useless post, but so are these cards.
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April 4, 2012 11:21:22 PM

bigmack70Nvidia is getting worse than AMD with their rebranding of GPUs...It annoys me that they do this, but I guess there's enough gullible end users out there that it works.
How are they progressively getting worse? They've been doing this for a decade.
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April 4, 2012 11:24:53 PM

bigmack70Nvidia is getting worse than AMD with their rebranding of GPUs...It annoys me that they do this, but I guess there's enough gullible end users out there that it works.

Nvidia has always been worse than ATI/AMD at this in my opinion. The best example coming to mind was the infamous 8800GT - good enough to stick it out for three generations. It would be nice when the two of them stop doing this, but they will continue. I understand fully why they do it, but wish they would at least stop issuing a new name for an old part - this creates a very gray area for litigation (surprised more sue-happy people haven't jumped on this one yet).
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April 4, 2012 11:28:32 PM

matt_bNvidia has always been worse than ATI/AMD at this in my opinion. The best example coming to mind was the infamous 8800GT....


Even though i mentioned the 9800gtx+ above, i had forgotten the 8800gt->9800gt debacle
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April 4, 2012 11:44:31 PM

Rip-off rebranding only for OEMs?

Taking advantage of the uneducated masses once again.
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April 4, 2012 11:45:36 PM

idk, I really only went amd because of the sexy retail box.
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April 4, 2012 11:45:41 PM

AMD 5670 = 6670 = 7670

With this move Nvidia really wants to lose for ivy bridge HD4000
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April 4, 2012 11:59:45 PM

People would would buy any OEM pc as long as they have dedicated graphics, sometimes the number doesn't even matter for them.
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April 5, 2012 12:03:07 AM

I could care less what they name their cards. If you are too stupid to look at the specifications before handing over your cash, thats your problem, not the manufacturers. Honestly if your buying a video card that is going into a gaming pc, you most likely know what you are looking for. If you Don't know what you are looking for then your not going to notice a difference in your facebook games anyhow.
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April 5, 2012 12:15:47 AM

jackbling"hey bro i just upgraded my old gtx460 to a new gtx620, but thanks to stupid windows and their drivers it is running horrible, now i have to wait for windows 8 so my 8 core amd cpu and video card will work"When they rebranded the 9800gtx+ to a gts 250, i kinda shrugged because it was still a competent card(not to mention it dropped price around the same time), so there wasnt much to complain about. I don't even have a good comment for these; all i can figure is apple/dell/hp are wanting a cheap card so they can say, "WOW!!!New 600 series Nvidia card!!We are awesome, look at the price!!!"I am aware this is a useless post, but so are these cards.


This sums it up pretty good for me as well.
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April 5, 2012 12:16:03 AM

It's like Intel rebranding their Pentium 4s and Ds as Core 2 Duos or Solos.
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April 5, 2012 12:24:46 AM

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April 5, 2012 12:28:01 AM

Gt 420 > Gt 520 > Gt 620

See what I am getting at?
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April 5, 2012 12:32:15 AM

Because of yield problems the have a lot of defective chips. These chips with half the memory probably had part of the memory controller defective.
Just like the 192bit GTX460 models.
This allows them to sell defective chips. Instead of putting them in a landfill somewhere.
Not saying it is right or wrong ,just adding a different perspective to the arguement.
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April 5, 2012 12:32:29 AM

michdad04I could care less what they name their cards. If you are too stupid to look at the specifications before handing over your cash, thats your problem, not the manufacturers. Honestly if your buying a video card that is going into a gaming pc, you most likely know what you are looking for. If you Don't know what you are looking for then your not going to notice a difference in your facebook games anyhow.
Enthusiasts that build their own will do the research. Rebranding doesn't affect me personally (my next card will probably be a 7850 if nothing changes in the near future), but what about other PC gamers? If you can't/won't/don't want to build your own, should you need an engineering degree to know what computer to buy to play the latest titles?

You can't count on just "Well you get what you pay for" when it comes to graphics capabilities. If you did that, you could very well end up buying a fairly expensive machine with a really piss-poor OEM-rebranded video card (see above). Crap like this is why consoles sell like hotcakes. You plug it in, it plays games. It's not as pretty, but then again, a lot of people just don't care enough about that.
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April 5, 2012 12:32:34 AM

KNO3I don't know why they don't just rename it the gtx 9999x. The uneducated masses clearly love those big numbers.

Lol, made me laugh IRL.
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April 5, 2012 12:53:21 AM

Who cares its not like these cards are gaming cards that any of us are going to purchase, dont get what the big deal is
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April 5, 2012 1:09:36 AM

monstaWho cares its not like these cards are gaming cards that any of us are going to purchase, dont get what the big deal is


When I want to buy a Ferrari, I want to buy it for a reason. I should not be expected to go over every little tech detail to check if it has an actual performance engine, or a lawn mower engine.

When I want to buy the Prius 4, I expect it be overall better than the Prius 2. Not worse.

There's really no point in using numbers to identify the products' performance if a 420 outdoes a 620. I'd at least expect them to perform the same, or the 620 doing better, but that's not the case.
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April 5, 2012 2:06:58 AM

vandaminatorAMD 5670 = 6670 = 7670With this move Nvidia really wants to lose for ivy bridge HD4000


Agree for the second statement

HD4000 : 3DMark06 score 6841
GT525m : 3DMark06 score 6902

So why we have to buy GT525m anymore?? If we're not using AMD CPU

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benc...
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April 5, 2012 2:40:58 AM

fartbrains
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April 5, 2012 2:41:14 AM

glenrickyAgree for the second statementHD4000 : 3DMark06 score 6841GT525m : 3DMark06 score 6902So why we have to buy GT525m anymore?? If we're not using AMD CPUhttp://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobil [...] 844.0.html


Do you honestly believe these will be used in top end computers? I don't think so, its cheap OEM so that companies can use it in low end affordable computers for people that don't even care about gaming.
You can't even afford a Ferrari to be even using it as an example.....you probably own a graphics card thats low end , no wonder you are getting your knickers in a twist over it.LOL
Get over it!
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April 5, 2012 2:41:49 AM

A Bad DayWhen I want to buy a Ferrari, I want to buy it for a reason. I should not be expected to go over every little tech detail to check if it has an actual performance engine, or a lawn mower engine.When I want to buy the Prius 4, I expect it be overall better than the Prius 2. Not worse.There's really no point in using numbers to identify the products' performance if a 420 outdoes a 620. I'd at least expect them to perform the same, or the 620 doing better, but that's not the case.


No offense but your thinking is too naive, that type of thinking is for an ideal world where new things are always better than old things. In this world that is not always the case. Many companies re-brand things not just Nvidia, heck some companies even make newer thing worse than what it was replacing.
Everyone pretty much researches what they buy beforehand mostly anyways, using "buying a car" as an example is pretty weak since who doesn't research if the car their buying is good or not. That's a pretty big investment.
If you just buy things because it is newer expecting that it is better and not researching than that is your fault and there is no one to blame but yourself. In this world newer does not always equal better, I never expect anything until I do research. Only naive people buy things because it's newer, I just laugh at them for being idiots.
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April 5, 2012 2:42:19 AM

Sorry hit the wrong quotation , my bad!
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April 5, 2012 2:49:12 AM

monstaDo you honestly believe these will be used in top end computers? I don't think so, its cheap OEM so that companies can use it in low end affordable computers for people that don't even care about gaming.You can't even afford a Ferrari to be even using it as an example.....you probably own a graphics card thats low end , no wonder you are getting your knickers in a twist over it.LOLGet over it!


I think you dont get my comments. Why even OEM still using 525 or 620 anyomore if HD4000 can beat them with cheaper price?
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April 5, 2012 2:58:34 AM

glenrickyI think you dont get my comments. Why even OEM still using 525 or 620 anyomore if HD4000 can beat them with cheaper price?


AMD Fanboi.....Would you like some cheese with your whine?
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April 5, 2012 3:08:39 AM

For about 2 years now, half the Tom's articles I read have blatant mistakes. You are a big website with error ridden articles and are too lazy to simply read the articles before you post them.
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April 5, 2012 3:14:43 AM

Why cant they release the GK107 kepler chip already? GK107 is like a quarter the size of GK104. thats should do some major blow to Radeon 5670 easily without much prob.
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April 5, 2012 3:22:49 AM

Begging for a false advertising lawsuit.
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April 5, 2012 5:07:38 AM

Isn't that a fraud? Can somebody file a class action lawsuit?
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April 5, 2012 5:30:09 AM

Dude what the F@#k is wrong whit Nvidia, I mean did they just spit in our eye and call it eye-drops. How long we are going to put up whit this sh!t?!
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April 5, 2012 5:46:35 AM

so they released a card that is still overkill for the regular consumers, lowered the performance and power consumption,. if they lower price with it.. i don't see what the problem is, maybe its just the dissapointment that there is nothing new about the 620?
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April 5, 2012 7:11:47 AM

biggiebodyNo offense but your thinking is too naive, that type of thinking is for an ideal world where new things are always better than old things. In this world that is not always the case. Many companies re-brand things not just Nvidia, heck some companies even make newer thing worse than what it was replacing.


You really see this as being ok and not cause for anger and complaint? Wow.
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April 5, 2012 7:49:59 AM

OEMs need to rise up as one and say Oi NVidia ..... No!
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April 5, 2012 8:01:58 AM

monstaAMD Fanboi.....Would you like some cheese with your whine?

HD 4000 might be an Intel product, specifically the GPU tacked onto Ivy Bridge.

I think vandaminator really meant to put 5770 -> 6770 -> 7770, however whereas the first step was a rebrand with added OpenCL 1.2 support (possibly?), UVD3 (decode only) and HDMI 1.4a, the second step moves to a completely different architecture which outperforms the 5770/6770 by 10-15% in most benchmarks that I've seen.
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April 5, 2012 9:10:32 AM

The already lame 520 is being made worse.....makes enough sense.
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April 5, 2012 12:27:43 PM

monstaAMD Fanboi.....Would you like some cheese with your whine?

HD4000 is an intel GPU built into INTL some i5-3xxx / i7-3xxx CPUs and all iX-3xxxM/U (Mobile) CPUs.
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April 5, 2012 12:47:17 PM

bigmack70Nvidia is getting worse than AMD with their rebranding of GPUs...It annoys me that they do this, but I guess there's enough gullible end users out there that it works.


are you joking ?? Nvidia has ALWAYS been worse with card re-branding that AMD was, in fact i can't think of one AMD card that was recycled into a a newer line , all 5000's are based off 5000 tech all 6000's are based on 6000 tech and all 7000's are based on 7000 tech there is NO rebranding in any of those product lines a 7770 is a very different chip and card from a 6770 or a 5770 ect ect.

however , nivida has repeated hsitory of rebranding , gf 8800 Gt same damn card as a GF 9800 GT
infact every GF 9000 series was really a re branded gf 8000 based card, with the exception of the 9600 Gt , that was a gf 8800 gt , with reduced shaders.


now don't get me wrong i'm not an amd fanboy attacking an nvidia fan boy , I've owned 10 nvidia video cards in my life time and only 3 ati/amd cards. just hate seeing loud mouth fan boy's spew crap from their lips with out actually doing any real research into the history. which is obviously what you are doing here , because ATI nor AMD have ever just rebranded a previous gen chip into a next gen line up like nividia ahs done countless times.
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April 5, 2012 1:17:36 PM

glenrickyAgree for the second statementHD4000 : 3DMark06 score 6841GT525m : 3DMark06 score 6902So why we have to buy GT525m anymore?? If we're not using AMD CPUhttp://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobil [...] 844.0.html


Actually as someone who just bought a laptop with a 525m you can see that it is identical to the 550m just clocked lower. There is a LARGE community of 525m OCers that go beyond even the 550m clocks and can play crysis @1080 res.

Will the HD4000 be a good OCer? Probably not...
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April 5, 2012 1:22:43 PM

Please stop claiming the Nvidia is re-branding video cards! Your Ati fan-boy-ism is showing again Tom.

In the article you even described that the cards have different specs... and then said their not even based on the same architecture. 0o How can they be "re-branded"?
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April 5, 2012 2:22:04 PM

biggiebodyIf you just buy things because it is newer expecting that it is better and not researching than that is your fault and there is no one to blame but yourself. In this world newer does not always equal better, I never expect anything until I do research. Only naive people buy things because it's newer, I just laugh at them for being idiots.

But a lot of things is life is based on assumptions. You assume everyone drives on the right side of the road, you assume the cashier at a store will give you change and not shoot you in the head. And we ASSUME a new product to better than the previous model, ESPECIALLY when the company advertises it as such.

TNT2, better than TNT
GeForce2 better than GeForce1{256} (mostly depending on the model... as the MX wasn't as fast as the GF1, but it didn't cost $250~300 like the Gefore256 or the Geforce2 GTS...
GeForce 3 added DX8 and a jump small in performance. GeForce 4 Ti series added better performance and lower costs.

Then nvidia started learning how to play games, messing with their customers. The GF 4-MX series (at least they stuck out) were nothing more than GeForce2 with a die-shrink and some tweaks to the memory controller. The MX440 was the top seller, being almost a GF2-GTS and the MX420 being a tad better than the GF2MX. Oh yeah, dual screen output was added.

At that time the GF4200 became the CARD TO HAVE! It was cheap at $150 or so and almost as good as the 4600 (4800 is a 4600 with AGP 8X) Hence, nvidia sticking the "ti" moniker on today's video cards is plain stupid. "GTX 5xx TI" is all meaningless.

The lame GF-5 series started with the "FX" tag (again, useless). The GOOD: ALL GF-5 cards are FX9. The bad: The 5800 came to market at about $800, nothing louder than this junk. The ATI 9700 cleaned up the high end. The 5200 was priced at about $100 (same street price as the 4200) but its real-world performance was about 60% of the 4200! Even the 5600 (at $150~170) was generally slower than the older 4200... and that was with DX8 games! DX9 games required more horse power. The 5700 / 5900 were "corrected" GPUs that gave value for the performance. I used to own a 5900 and an ATI 9800Pro. Up until a year or so ago, they were still making 5200 parts.

Newer models are supposed to be better, in its class. A new Celeron isn't going to be faster than a older (not too old) P3/P4... when they are using the same tech. A Celeron based on Core2 murders any P4-netburst CPU. So yes, some research is needed... but model numbers should make sense.
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April 5, 2012 2:38:58 PM

notrebrandedPlease stop claiming the Nvidia is re-branding video cards! Your Ati fan-boy-ism is showing again Tom.In the article you even described that the cards have different specs... and then said their not even based on the same architecture. 0o How can they be "re-branded"?

Tom doesn't work here anymore. Douglas Perry wrote the article.
Uh... both companies do re-branding, but nvidia does it 10x... starting with the 6700/7700. These "new" 600 bottom ends are re-badge 500s. They are using last-years tech, less tech with less memory to be sold a bit cheaper, nothing more.

Look up the GeForce 300 series... notice any GTX 360 or GTX 380 cards? They are rebadged 200 cards, nothing more. Its all marketing for the masses... "Its got a NEW Geforce 320 card!!"

The G80 (nvidia) GPU has be rebadged more than anything else in the world. From the 8800GT/GTS/GS to the 9600/9800 and up to the GeForce 240/250 cards from 2 years ago. The difference between the 8800GTS, 9800GT and GTS 250 is... well, nothing.
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April 5, 2012 2:50:35 PM

Increase the model number and decrease speed and memory.
basically telling the tech community and educated consumers that you think they are too dumb to catch on.
Do you actually PAY the guy/gal who came up with this glorious idea ?
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April 5, 2012 3:25:36 PM

Okay, this is just wrong, I'm never ever going to buy another Nvidia product because of this kind of blatant fraud. I don't care if it's better and cheaper, but this company needs to get some integrity. Take an ethics class Nvidia. We don't need companies behaving like this.
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April 5, 2012 3:55:36 PM

JarmoYou really see this as being ok and not cause for anger and complaint? Wow.


All I said that in an ideal world new = better, unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world, just don't expect that. Never said it was ok, just don't expect new=better.
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