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More info?)
Over had www.2cpu.com they are having a laugh at the new DP Xeon being an
LGA 771.
So the new xeon is 2 x P4's in disguise....
Its time for more sockets and new mobos - again.
"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-1703050737070001@192.168.1.178...
> In article <4238d083$0$2765$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>, "Alan
> Dempster" <alan@nospamthanks.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Evenin' all
>>
>> After a few years of pissing around and a year of storage while I was in
>> Australia, I'm finally ready to upgrade my PC!
>>
>> Currently running an Asus P3B-F with an Intel Celeron 1100MHz, clocked at
>> 1232MHz.
>>
>> OK... Budget is no issue, as I tend to only upgrade every few years or
>> so.
>> I've already done the peripherals (nice Sony 19" TFT monitor, MS
>> Multimedia
>> Keyboard, MS wireless mouse etc)... so from the exterior, it looks great!
>>
>> Now the internals need doing. I've not shopped for PC components for
>> years.
>> Last time I did this, P2B-F and P3B-F were the dog's whatsits, and these
>> were the boards that everyone was after, for O'Cing their Celeron 300As
>> etc.
>>
>> Now, I've lost the plot a little... need to do some catch up.
>>
>> Some recent shopping on dabs.com led me to realise that today's standard
>> is
>> Socket 775. Socket 468 already seems to be obsolete.
>>
>> Which (finally!) leads me to the question... what is the recommended Asus
>> board for Intel processors? P5P800 looks like a good way to go, since I'm
>> not too worried about RAID, but would like support for SATA, if at all
>> possible.
>>
>> I'm a die-hard PC builder, so boards with everything integrated are not
>> favoured.
>>
>> I'd be genuinely pleased to hear recommendations from the group regulars.
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Alan
>
> The 875/865 can control four IDE and two SATA drives. The 865
> chip is used on the P5P800, so you get two interfaces for
> SATA drives. The P5P800 has an AGP slot, so you can reuse an
> AGP card if you have one (but it cannot be a really old
> 3.3V only card - a simple check is look for two slots cut
> in the edge of the card, as a guide). RAM is DDR (so you
> cannot reuse your SDRAM from the P3B-F).
>
> The 915/925 chips are used on the majority of the other S775
> boards. They support two IDE and four SATA drives via the
> Southbridge. The boards have PCI Express video slots, so
> you'll need a new video card. RAM type is either DDR or DDR2,
> so again you cannot reuse your SDRAM. I would also expect a
> ton of onboard peripherals, so generally you'll be able to
> support a lot of disk drives.
>
> If you own a lot of ATAPI drives, you'll want to download and
> read the manuals for the boards first. ATAPI CD/DVD devices
> can certainly go on the Southbridge IDE interfaces, but on the
> 915/925, you only have room for two devices. Yes, there are
> now a few SATA ATAPI devices available, but that reduces your
> shopping options considerably. Some of the onboard storage
> controllers used (like a Promise 20378), cannot use ATAPI
> IDE devices, and according to the Plextor web site, cannot
> use a SATA ATAPI either.
>
> The P5P800 should be the easiest on the pocketbook, as the
> components you would use with it, will be cheaper than trying
> to populate a DDR2/PCI-E based board.
>
> In terms of the socket, be aware that the current S775 boards
> will not work with the new Intel dual core processors when they
> arrive. I've read that something will need to be changed to
> work with them, even if the socket form factor is kept. I
> really don't think that matters, because if you buy a 3.6 or
> a 3.8Ghz now, with today's mix of applications, you'll breeze
> by those systems anyway. (I.e. Dual cores will be pointless,
> so enjoy a fast single core for years to come. In my opinion,
> until better software development tools are available, applications
> that can take advantage of multiple cores will be few and far
> between. If you are a gamer, of course games will be the driver
> for dual core technology, but other desktop apps have no
> incentive to use both cores at the same time. Photoshop would be
> an exception, as it has been able to use multiple computing
> devices for years. For the software you run currently, a single
> thread on a dual core 3.0Ghz processor will run slower than a
> single thread on a single core 3.8Ghz.)
>
> If you want a cooler and quieter system, you might consider a
> socket 939 AMD board. They have dual channel RAM, and processor
> speed goes up to the P.R. (processor rating) equivalent of a
> 4Ghz Pentium4. When one of those boards is idling, expect it
> to run cooler. If you normally work in an air conditioned
> environment, you likely will not care one way or the other.
> (Modern systems function as space heaters, expecially if you
> put a high end video card in there as well.)
>
> To minimize processor cooling noise, you might also want to
> consider an after-market heatsink/fan. Some ones to consider
> are Zalman 7000, 7700 or Thermalright XP-90, XP-120. Before
> buying something like that, first test the retail fan and
> see what you think of it. Run Prime95 and see how fast the
> fan has to spin, to cool the processor. The Zalman and
> Thermalright products use copper bases and aluminum fins,
> for best weight versus cooling performance effort. They are
> also so big, that they will overhang the edge of the motherboard.
> You may need some clearance (like 10mm or so) between the
> top edge of the motherboard and the PSU, so if you plan on
> buying a tiny case, those kinds of heatsinks won't fit. Check
> the manufacturer's web site for compatibility info.
>
>
http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/main_product_xp120_775.htm
> http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/view.asp?idx=146&code=
>
> HTH,
> Paul
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