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July 7, 2005 10:03:04 PM

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Hi all,

Is it possible to use the SATA and the the 40 PRI_RAID port. If I connect
drives to the port the BIS recognises it but the drivers will not work in
either IDE or Raid mode they just tell me the device failed to start. I
have downloaded new drivers but nothing works.

Any ideas.

Bob

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July 7, 2005 11:25:15 PM

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In article <dajqoo$j5n$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Bob"
<bob@nospam.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Is it possible to use the SATA and the the 40 PRI_RAID port. If I connect
> drives to the port the BIS recognises it but the drivers will not work in
> either IDE or Raid mode they just tell me the device failed to start. I
> have downloaded new drivers but nothing works.
>
> Any ideas.
>
> Bob

Your board has storage services provided by the Southbridge
(two IDE cables, two SATA connectors) and also a Promise 20378
RAID chip (one IDE cable, two SATA connectors).

The Promise chip has an ATA driver. If you actually wanted
to boot from a PATA drive connected to the Promise Pri_RAID
connector, then you'd want to use the "ATA" driver. It is
the kind of driver you would install via F6 during the Windows
install.

If this is a non-boot drive, used for data and programs, you
could install the Promise chip driver after the Windows install
is finished.

You should also have installed the chipset drivers, if you
want the chipset hardware to be recognized properly by the
OS.

Mr. Steveo WinXP Install thread:
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34558

Promise 20378 Fastrak "ATA" driver
http://dlsvr03.asus.com/pub/ASUS/misc/ide/378ATA100130....

Promise 20378 Fastrak "RAID" driver
http://dlsvr03.asus.com/pub/ASUS/misc/ide/pdc20378/378R...

from:
http://support.asus.com.tw/download/download.aspx?SLang...

HTH,
Paul
July 8, 2005 5:09:52 PM

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Paul,

Thanks I eventually got it to work but it is a bit more complicated than
this if you have installed the raid drivers and want to go back to the IDE
driver. I had to physically delete the installed files and edit the
registry as it would not go from RAID to IDE. The device just fails to
start, I also had to the the RAID .dll in the run area of the registry.
It would be good if ASUS provided an uninstall for the drivers.

Bob


"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-0707051925150001@192.168.1.178...
> In article <dajqoo$j5n$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Bob"
> <bob@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Is it possible to use the SATA and the the 40 PRI_RAID port. If I
connect
> > drives to the port the BIS recognises it but the drivers will not work
in
> > either IDE or Raid mode they just tell me the device failed to start. I
> > have downloaded new drivers but nothing works.
> >
> > Any ideas.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Your board has storage services provided by the Southbridge
> (two IDE cables, two SATA connectors) and also a Promise 20378
> RAID chip (one IDE cable, two SATA connectors).
>
> The Promise chip has an ATA driver. If you actually wanted
> to boot from a PATA drive connected to the Promise Pri_RAID
> connector, then you'd want to use the "ATA" driver. It is
> the kind of driver you would install via F6 during the Windows
> install.
>
> If this is a non-boot drive, used for data and programs, you
> could install the Promise chip driver after the Windows install
> is finished.
>
> You should also have installed the chipset drivers, if you
> want the chipset hardware to be recognized properly by the
> OS.
>
> Mr. Steveo WinXP Install thread:
> http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34558
>
> Promise 20378 Fastrak "ATA" driver
> http://dlsvr03.asus.com/pub/ASUS/misc/ide/378ATA100130....
>
> Promise 20378 Fastrak "RAID" driver
> http://dlsvr03.asus.com/pub/ASUS/misc/ide/pdc20378/378R...
>
> from:
> http://support.asus.com.tw/download/download.aspx?SLang...
>
> HTH,
> Paul
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July 9, 2005 4:21:32 AM

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In article <daltv0$fmf$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Bob"
<bob@nospam.com> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Thanks I eventually got it to work but it is a bit more complicated than
> this if you have installed the raid drivers and want to go back to the IDE
> driver. I had to physically delete the installed files and edit the
> registry as it would not go from RAID to IDE. The device just fails to
> start, I also had to the the RAID .dll in the run area of the registry.
> It would be good if ASUS provided an uninstall for the drivers.
>
> Bob
>

I haven't done a lot of experiments with disks on my P4C800-E.
But, what I did notice, is that a disk moved from a Southbridge
port, to the Pri_RAID on the 20378, caused the first partition on
the disk to disappear. It reappeared when the disk was connected
to the Southbridge again. This suggests that even in IDE mode,
the Promise chip/BIOS code is using a reserved sector (the same
sector used for RAID arrays). Now, some RAID BIOS include an option
to erase the reserved sector, and that might help in making a
transition from one type of install to another. I don't know if
the Promise does that or not (and I'm not using the Promise
right now). And Promise is not exactly helpful, when it comes
to OEM questions, so I doubt if you contact Promise tech support,
that they'll help in any useful way (even if you are just making
a feature request).

Paul
Anonymous
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July 9, 2005 12:31:18 PM

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Paul,
what kind of graphic card you're using
with P4P800-E Deluxe?
I have this mo/bo and am not sure about what graphic card
should I use, in the light of User's Guide p.2-17 (2.6.4)
I intended to use ATI Radeon 9550 Sapphire(256MB),
but I'm not sure whether this gr.card meets
Asus mo/bo requirement.
Jdr


"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-0907050021320001@192.168.1.178...
> In article <daltv0$fmf$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "Bob"
> <bob@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> Thanks I eventually got it to work but it is a bit more complicated than
>> this if you have installed the raid drivers and want to go back to the
>> IDE
>> driver. I had to physically delete the installed files and edit the
>> registry as it would not go from RAID to IDE. The device just fails to
>> start, I also had to the the RAID .dll in the run area of the registry.
>> It would be good if ASUS provided an uninstall for the drivers.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
> I haven't done a lot of experiments with disks on my P4C800-E.
> But, what I did notice, is that a disk moved from a Southbridge
> port, to the Pri_RAID on the 20378, caused the first partition on
> the disk to disappear. It reappeared when the disk was connected
> to the Southbridge again. This suggests that even in IDE mode,
> the Promise chip/BIOS code is using a reserved sector (the same
> sector used for RAID arrays). Now, some RAID BIOS include an option
> to erase the reserved sector, and that might help in making a
> transition from one type of install to another. I don't know if
> the Promise does that or not (and I'm not using the Promise
> right now). And Promise is not exactly helpful, when it comes
> to OEM questions, so I doubt if you contact Promise tech support,
> that they'll help in any useful way (even if you are just making
> a feature request).
>
> Paul
July 9, 2005 1:42:29 PM

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In article <3j9cq8Fohv0fU1@individual.net>, "Jdr" <jdr@msn.net> wrote:

> Paul,
> what kind of graphic card you're using
> with P4P800-E Deluxe?
> I have this mo/bo and am not sure about what graphic card
> should I use, in the light of User's Guide p.2-17 (2.6.4)
> I intended to use ATI Radeon 9550 Sapphire(256MB),
> but I'm not sure whether this gr.card meets
> Asus mo/bo requirement.
> Jdr

I use an ATI 9800pro in winter and an Nvidia FX5200 in summer.
I only run the A.C. at night, and removing the 9800pro is one
less source of heat. In winter, the extra heat is welcome :-)

video card 9800pro fx5200
idle 1.78A 1.37A <--- wall current 120VAC
3dmark2001 2.75A 1.80A <--- wall current 120VAC
3dmark_value 14838marks 5454marks

The warning note in the manual is for some early boards. And,
the thing is, if you contact ATI, they won't agree with Asus's
analysis of the situation. In any case, your card is not one
of the two listed on that page.

You'll notice on that manual page, there is a picture and
a highlight that says "keyed for 1.5V". As long as your
video card has the hole in the right place, it should fit
the board. Judging by these example pages, any video card
made in the last couple of years supports 1.5V, whether it
is Nvidia or ATI. I'm not aware of an Nvidia page similar to
these two (and these pages have been removed from ATI's site -
what possessed them to do that is beyond me).

http://web.archive.org/web/20041014040007/http://mirror...

http://web.archive.org/web/20041103055247/http://www.at...

Another source of info is this page. Go to the table "Practical
Motherboard And Card Compatibility". P4C800-E is fourth row down
"Universal 1.5V AGP 3.0 Motherboard". Only an old 3.3V only card
won't fit. Tables further down the page, allow you to figure out,
based on the chipset on the motherboard, and on the video card,
just what will work.

http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/agp.html

A good summary page for specs is here. This page allows you
to see the overlap in performance between generations (remembering
of course, that the DirectX feature set is changing along the way,
so later cards are a better match for current game design). It
is interesting to see, for example, how many cards a TI4200 is better
than.

http://www.benchmark.pl/artykuly/zestawienie_GPU_2/skal...

These are the last two AGP comparisons on Tomshardware. Some
of the charts are CPU-limited, meaning the fastest cards are
only really needed if you want super-high resolution or AA
turned on.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050705/index...
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/index...

HTH,
Paul
Anonymous
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a b V Motherboard
July 9, 2005 10:30:02 PM

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"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-0907050942290001@192.168.1.178...
> In article <3j9cq8Fohv0fU1@individual.net>, "Jdr" <jdr@msn.net> wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>> what kind of graphic card you're using
>> with P4P800-E Deluxe?
>> I have this mo/bo and am not sure about what graphic card
>> should I use, in the light of User's Guide p.2-17 (2.6.4)
>> I intended to use ATI Radeon 9550 Sapphire(256MB),
>> but I'm not sure whether this gr.card meets
>> Asus mo/bo requirement.
>> Jdr
>
> I use an ATI 9800pro in winter and an Nvidia FX5200 in summer.
> I only run the A.C. at night, and removing the 9800pro is one
> less source of heat. In winter, the extra heat is welcome :-)
>
> video card 9800pro fx5200
> idle 1.78A 1.37A <--- wall current 120VAC
> 3dmark2001 2.75A 1.80A <--- wall current 120VAC
> 3dmark_value 14838marks 5454marks
>
> The warning note in the manual is for some early boards. And,
> the thing is, if you contact ATI, they won't agree with Asus's
> analysis of the situation. In any case, your card is not one
> of the two listed on that page.
>
> You'll notice on that manual page, there is a picture and
> a highlight that says "keyed for 1.5V". As long as your
> video card has the hole in the right place, it should fit
> the board. Judging by these example pages, any video card
> made in the last couple of years supports 1.5V, whether it
> is Nvidia or ATI. I'm not aware of an Nvidia page similar to
> these two (and these pages have been removed from ATI's site -
> what possessed them to do that is beyond me).
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20041014040007/http://mirror...
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20041103055247/http://www.at...
>
> Another source of info is this page. Go to the table "Practical
> Motherboard And Card Compatibility". P4C800-E is fourth row down
> "Universal 1.5V AGP 3.0 Motherboard". Only an old 3.3V only card
> won't fit. Tables further down the page, allow you to figure out,
> based on the chipset on the motherboard, and on the video card,
> just what will work.
>
> http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/agp.html
>
> A good summary page for specs is here. This page allows you
> to see the overlap in performance between generations (remembering
> of course, that the DirectX feature set is changing along the way,
> so later cards are a better match for current game design). It
> is interesting to see, for example, how many cards a TI4200 is better
> than.
>
> http://www.benchmark.pl/artykuly/zestawienie_GPU_2/skal...
>
> These are the last two AGP comparisons on Tomshardware. Some
> of the charts are CPU-limited, meaning the fastest cards are
> only really needed if you want super-high resolution or AA
> turned on.
>
> http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050705/index...
> http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/index...
>
> HTH,
> Paul

Thank you Paul for this clear explanation of a bit confusing
matter. I'll sit and study your indications. I'm not surprised
at all by your swapping the graphic card between winter
and summer. here in Scotland , and in this "summer"
particularly, we can use an extra heat too...;-)

Best as ever Paul, and thank for your help.

Joe
!