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June 15, 2012 6:34:47 PM

[The actual Memo

Its been quite so lets mix it up. What do you think about these new immigration law policy?

Quote:
The following criteria should be satisfied before an individual is considered for an exercise of
prosecutorial discretion pursuant to this memorandum:

• came to the United States under the age of sixteen;
• has continuously resided in the United States for a least five years preceding the date of
this memorandum and is present in the United States on the date of this memorandum;
• is currently in school, has graduated from high school, has obtained a general education
development certificate, or is an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or
Armed Forces ofthe United States;
• has not been convicted of a felony offense, a significant misdemeanor offense, multiple
misdemeanor offenses, or otherwise poses a threat to national security or public safety;
and
• is not above the age of thirty

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June 15, 2012 8:30:06 PM

Sounds pretty good to me, we will take your young, educated, upstanding kids but the rest of you are still screwed.
June 15, 2012 9:08:44 PM

All I know is they let my Great Great Grandfather in when he didn't even speak english. These kids are in our education system already and have a record of being upstanding people. Sounds like the right thing to do to me.
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June 16, 2012 12:13:03 AM

Allowing for this gives an in to the parents who may not have met one of these things on the list, and a criminal.
Too broad, too sweeping, indefensible in court, and they should be ashamed for itseasy, broad and not particularly binding approach.
Legally a mess
June 17, 2012 6:02:21 AM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
Except it is a slap in the face of everyone who did it legally. I wonder, are we going to return the thousands of $$$ to those that did so?

You know what is a slap in the face? Being told to pay full education while someone who enters your country illegally gets the free money.
johnsonma said:
All I know is they let my Great Great Grandfather in when he didn't even speak english. These kids are in our education system already and have a record of being upstanding people. Sounds like the right thing to do to me.

Your GG Grandfather possibly did it via Eilis Island. That is legal. He would have to be documented. Back then English wasn't a strict necessity back then. Heck, I bet less than 50% of the US could not even read the Bible itself! Just to show you what education does for the future. I bet he learned English pretty fast!

I don't doubt that they are outstanding. My issue is why give them the free ride, but let me and my family pay the ight price of our education system? I was born here legally! Where is my free money? Oh, wait...I am a white, unaprreciative US kid. I don't deserve it! :pfff: 
June 17, 2012 1:20:13 PM

Plus, theres less a likelyhood youll vote for Obama, as youre also a male, therefore, nada for you.
Its all about the votes, he needs several of these, he has no shame getting, or going after them this way, even using bad policy, where many people disagree, and as I said earlier, poorly written and poorly applied because of its broad sweeping attempts.
Third world approach, not worthy of US, not in intent nor in language
June 17, 2012 3:08:03 PM

Naw, we just have a bunch of lazy SOB voters who have no will to stop the endless stupidity our government does.
June 17, 2012 3:32:43 PM

Well, people act as if the president cant affect many things, usually things they dont want, but when they want them, then its all good.
I agree OMG, and am not impressed. When he said the constitution limita us, Im thinking it limits him, as he turns it on its side
June 17, 2012 3:39:47 PM

Don't know. No one cares. ???
June 18, 2012 12:54:45 PM

It is crap.
June 18, 2012 2:31:08 PM

Do you guys even understand how our government works? He didn't pass some magical law, he just said that the government will no longer ENFORCE the deportation of people that fit those criteria. The executive branch is in charge of ENFORCING the law of the land. If anything you guys should be more upset with the election ramifications as JDJ pointed out.
June 18, 2012 3:40:40 PM

I think they are worried over the enactment via executive order.

I am not aware of anything in the constitution that the president can declare an activity without congressional support.

Don't get me started on our election system! :pfff: 
June 18, 2012 4:40:52 PM

He didn't enact anything he just said his administration would not deport kids that fit the Dream Act criteria. If Romney wins he could just decide to begin deporting them again without issues.
June 18, 2012 5:14:20 PM

This Executive Order is just another example of Obama's disdain for the Constitution, lack of leadership, and ignorance of Congress. Obama has again proven himself a hypocrite, political opportunist, and a social fascist.

The real shame of this Order is that it does not provide a path to legal citizenship, it just continues to extend Visas...bottom line, this order is a lesser form of amnesty for those would otherwise have been deported.

When government does more to promote the rights of the illegal citizens than it does to preserve the liberty of its citizens, then government is no longer for and by the people.

June 18, 2012 5:48:59 PM

Somehow Acorn and several other things comes to mind about enforcement.
This lack, or non caring or whatever can also be seen as racial attitudes in the past
June 18, 2012 9:25:13 PM

chunkymonster said:
This Executive Order is just another example of Obama's disdain for the Constitution, lack of leadership, and ignorance of Congress. Obama has again proven himself a hypocrite, political opportunist, and a social fascist.

The real shame of this Order is that it does not provide a path to legal citizenship, it just continues to extend Visas...bottom line, this order is a lesser form of amnesty for those would otherwise have been deported.

When government does more to promote the rights of the illegal citizens than it does to preserve the liberty of its citizens, then government is no longer for and by the people.


What a complete over reaction to a simple order that is completely within the presidents power to make. He cannot provide a path to legal citizenship as that is in the realm of the legislative branch aka Congress. Not deporting children who are already in our education system is not doing "more" then the thousands of programs out there for average Americans.

You guys are acting like not deporting a few illegals is the end of the world and an insult to the Constitution which it is not.
June 18, 2012 10:10:35 PM

Yea, maybe one will skip down to their rightful country after harming someone here, innocently or not, as has been the case on more than just a few occasions.
Point Im making is, this does happen,fact, but without laws to reign some things in, this and other things can and do happen.
Bad enough we have rotten people we call citizens, having to talk to someone who disagrees with this, after someone they know/knew was harmed by this allowance, well, I couldnt do it
June 19, 2012 6:29:14 AM

Anything can become a slippery slope. One thing leads to another. I am not happy with what Obama did, but I can see why he did it. Concerning anyone, if they are here legally or illegally: They need to be documented immediate before any US services can be given so there is no 'abuse of the system' or 'promote illegal activity of wrongful emigration'.

If you are here illegally:

1) Go to the local US Immigrations office or Customs station and asked to be documented. Give all the detail you can, we will find out who you are. If you fail to, go back to C of O and get your gov'ts info and send it back to us.
2) Before gaining any services here in the US, make sure #1 has been passed. You will receive an aliens card. This is a document that enables you to get a drivers license. You cannot get welfare, education, or vote at all. However, education you must pay a monthly fee, (according to your state.) You will still pay taxes and can still get a job.
3) If you are under 21, you have a choice of enlisting into the military. After 3 years of services, you are allowed to take a English and Citizens test. If you pass both tests you get a temporary SSN. After working a paying taxes for 2 years, you will get permanent SSN. Here you are entitled to all US services. If you are over 21, you must work at least 6-8 years, pass an English, Citizens, and competence test. If you pass all three you are granted a temporary SSN. No services are allowed. after working a job in the US for 3 years, with taxes, you are allowed all services.
4) If you want access to US education and are not a US citizen, make sure #1 is complete. Inform the school(s) of choice(s). No matter your age, one must take the SAT, ACT, along with English, Citizens, and Competence. The school will not receive information that you are an alien to prevent any discrimination. ( In case of discrimination, you will be granted a surcharge/benefit on behalf of the State the school resides out of the schools pocket.) When you are accepted, individual must take out student government loans. Individuals who are not US citizens but who seek no residence, are exempt from this and follow all school procedures. If one is seeking citizenship, individual is only allowed up to a Bachelor in major of choice. Only one (1) major is allowed in the 4-5 years. If individual fails to pay all debts, all preliminary citizenship grants are revoked, destroyed, and will serve either time up to 10 years, or pay a one million dollar fine. Naturalized citizens at birth on US territory are exempt and will not and shall not be harmed bu this law.
5) Take learning language courses at an accredited schools who offer English as a Second language. Learn to be fluent in reading, writing, speaking, and comprehension of the English language in order to participate in the government, economy and daily activity in the United States.
6) Remain in the state of choice for at least 10 years. If individual needs to move due to economy, health, or family related issues, they are to be brought up to the US Immigrations office immediately. This will allow the 10 year to carry overt o next state and will allow next state to be informed of aliens in the state. Failure to do so will terminate the 10 year and individual will have to refile for another citizenship card, plan, and classes. Tax info is no longer regarded if failed to file over.
7) If individual violates any laws of the United States of America, they will receive immediate termination of all citizenship, charges carry back to C of O, they are extradited back to their C of O, and face any charges there. Individual will be 'black-balled' or 'black listed' as a person of threat and will not be allowed back to enter. If they enter back, they have violated any law US courts feel needed...even murder if required. This deters reentry. If they are naturalized,( meaning if they have already received a permanent SSN,) they are still citizens but will face charges as a natural born citizen.
8) They must read, write, speak, and comprehend the English language.
9) They hold no US rights except if they are naturalized via by birth, or by following citizenship laws provided at time. Individual who is not a US citizen cannot receive total protection unless there is a clear and present danger in which they or by them anyone will be harmed.
10) Congress shall pass no law abridging this plan unless by the will of the People of the United State in which that only applies to those who are not of the People. Congress shall respect all persons and individuals who are not a threat to another person. Congress shall pass no law defecting the Constitution, allowing parties to rule over rights of this law, allow any branch to enact this law, without consent of the other branches, or allow persons whether individual or group...to deface this law by bypassing the Constitution itself. Congress shall publicly release all changes if seen by the People of the United States will, and shall not hinder any release of this document. All censoring, or willful withholding of this document, is strictly illegal and criminal. Censorship, or withholding, will result in criminal action against persons in public who have enacted a policy of censorship. Congress shall, in any time, call upon this document for amendment, on behalf of of the vote of the People of the United States. Congress shall not request this to be monetized or centralized in the public or private. Congress shall make no note of money, bureaucracy, or public or private note to gain bypass of the constitution.

This note is/must be enacted in full accordingly.
June 19, 2012 12:19:05 PM

I am going to apologise to all my pommy mates.

Yanks are the new whining poms of the world.

You guys are filling up the News and Lesure forums with whining and whinging.

Lets have some senseless threads about Russian tanks again ... or the best place to holiday in Alabama ... or Canada.

Where is Canada anyway?
June 19, 2012 2:46:23 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
So you're saying he is refusing to ENFORCE THE LAW as you so adroitly put it then?

The DREAM act was voted down, or didn't even make it to the floor, so the President just decides to implement it anyway? Sounds like an emperor to me!

I would also like to add, President Obama is directing his Justice Dept. to prosecute states that are attempting to enforce the very laws Obama is refusing to enforce. Let's not forget that.


As is within his power under the constitution which were affirmed by multiple supreme court cases. The Dream Act was passed by the House and then voted down by the minority in the Senate. It has 55 yes votes in the senate but got the ol' fillabuster.

Why do you buy into this emperor crap? If you look at it from a practical perspective this is almost a non-issue. Immigration from Mexico is at a standstill, these kids are already in our education system so getting them paperwork is a good idea. Not to mention they are just kids who view this country as their home and yet you want to tear their lives apart for what? Because they took yer jobs?
June 19, 2012 2:49:42 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Yea, maybe one will skip down to their rightful country after harming someone here, innocently or not, as has been the case on more than just a few occasions.
Point Im making is, this does happen,fact, but without laws to reign some things in, this and other things can and do happen.
Bad enough we have rotten people we call citizens, having to talk to someone who disagrees with this, after someone they know/knew was harmed by this allowance, well, I couldnt do it


Ok, lets deport everyone then because there are have been members of every race who have committed crimes and then took off to another country. Just deport all the Americans in this country because some of us are going to do back things.

Come on JDJ. :heink: 

Deporting all the children who are here and consider this place their home because a couple of them might commit crimes and run is completely unreasonable.
June 19, 2012 2:55:17 PM

Reynod said:


Where is Canada anyway?


He got drunk again last night and had a run in with the local cops. Let us just say ridding a moose into the local quick e mart with a loaded semi is not a good idea. :pt1cable: 

June 19, 2012 4:05:01 PM

johnsonma said:
Ok, lets deport everyone then because there are have been members of every race who have committed crimes and then took off to another country. Just deport all the Americans in this country because some of us are going to do back things.

Come on JDJ. :heink: 

Deporting all the children who are here and consider this place their home because a couple of them might commit crimes and run is completely unreasonable.

First off, since when can we seperate the children from their parents?
This is a glaring omission, and an in for adult illegals.
This doesnt address so many things thats needed here and like I said, poor and poorly/loosely written legislation, as interpretations are vague.
No worker programs, no mention of overdrawn visas etc etc etc
A simple ploy for votes, and in its form, not worthy coming from the head of the US.
June 19, 2012 4:12:19 PM

You must admit Immigrants when given the chance to live in a new country almost always excell, and add value to the culture.

The US and Australia were both built and made great by the people who immigrated and brought their ideas and culture with them, but were prepared to adopt the core values of their new land.

I think the major issue with immigration at present is really tied to the economic problems ... immigrants are seen as potentially taking jobs where there is already high unempkoyment.

Exreme right wing conservative Nationalistic views creep to the fore under these conditions.

Its important to keep some historical and economic perspective.

Make C Wright Mills proud !!

:) 
June 19, 2012 4:20:30 PM

We need immigration, but we also need controls/laws and ways for completion, to set up illegal immigration to make it work for us and the illegals.
Currently, theres a lack of enforcement in existing law.
The president has told those interested more than 2 years ago there was nothing he could do, and at the time had majorities in congress.
This is simply a re election ploy

Either that, or it took him this long to figure it out, which is also very telling
June 19, 2012 4:36:05 PM

Just my two cents.....

Why are people coming here? Because their country sucks. Lets make it as plain as what it is, Mexico sucks ass to live in right now, especially along the border. So maybe we should invest some of that border patrol money into making northern Mexico less of a hell on earth.

The thing I like with this policy is its not punishing kids. They didn't choose to come here or have illegal Mexican parents so why are they being punished like criminals?

Also, we did educate them, trained them, they have friends and family here, maybe even.... jobs...

So how does it make sense to send the most apt people out of the country and keep the criminal element? People will always try coming here and probably more so when their entire lives are going to be taken away to a country they might have lived in for a few short years or less.

The oldest people staying under this law are 30 year olds.
June 19, 2012 4:45:33 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
First off, since when can we seperate the children from their parents?
This is a glaring omission, and an in for adult illegals.
This doesnt address so many things thats needed here and like I said, poor and poorly/loosely written legislation, as interpretations are vague.
No worker programs, no mention of overdrawn visas etc etc etc
A simple ploy for votes, and in its form, not worthy coming from the head of the US.


This is the most that a president can do to influence this issue. Now it is up to congress to pass legislation and create worker programs. It may be a ploy for votes but don't be naive to think that this is not normal election tactics. There can be multiple reasons behind this decision as well, like the overwhelming pressure on the President from multiple influential minority rights groups.
June 19, 2012 5:47:42 PM

But, as a leader, he has to work with congress, as he was supposedly this type of leader, and he has failed miserably, at least in this area, where its plain to see, and mostly agreed upon on both sides.
Resorting to these actions, or non actions does no one any good, and only makes a cloudy situation murkier, and possibly sets back real legislation.

I have a fair understanding of the situation, and something needs to truly be resolved, but these actions can also harm solutions, not make them better, as was my earlier comment, as often a few can spoil it for the many, and was taken out of context, and no, I still wouldnt want to be the one to have to talk to a family that got on the wrong end of any tragedy, which plays into just one scenario where these non actions can take us, simply because of its looseness and non resolve, without the peoples and its representatives input, which usually satisfies the majority, even those somewhat opposed.
June 19, 2012 5:53:21 PM

When he and his party held majorities, they did nothing, which is a strike against him and his party.
Understand, I want these issues resolved, and they failed, now this is also a failure as well.
I have great interest and respect to our neighbors to the south, as well as great admiration to those who came here, and is what drives my desire for resolution.
June 19, 2012 6:41:56 PM

Reynod said:
You must admit Immigrants when given the chance to live in a new country almost always excell, and add value to the culture.

The US and Australia were both built and made great by the people who immigrated and brought their ideas and culture with them, but were prepared to adopt the core values of their new land.

I think the major issue with immigration at present is really tied to the economic problems ... immigrants are seen as potentially taking jobs where there is already high unempkoyment.


This country was made great by immigrants who legally immigrated to this country, followed the laws, and worked hard.

The issue with immigration is that people are not following the legal path. It requires time, patience, and a lot of work. These people are capable of only holding under the table, or low paying jobs.

Now, I will fully admit that our government has completely screwed up the immigration policy and it needs overhauled. I have many friends who went through the process legally to come here and are doing well. Oddly enough, someone who wants to come to the US and won't legally do it, breaks our law to come here for the benefits we have worked so hard to have available. They're already breaking our laws by being here illegally. Go the legal route.. but they don't want to because they don't plan on doing better for themselves; they want their kids to be legal citizens and have all the benefits without having to contribute.

June 19, 2012 7:17:18 PM

I know families that the parents, when young, worked in the fields with their parents, and now have better jobs, working hard at them.
Their kids are pushed, compelled and assisted in their schooling, and education is held highly in those households.
It took 3 generations, but the kids are doing well, for the most part, as with anyone, some are just lacking, some have no built in desires, and some are excelling receiving scholarships, or basically, like anyone elses family.
Sometimes wrongful status is perceived by the younger ones, as well as mom and dad, and a big new car is important, as having good things is new to them, but this isnt a rule, just an observance, while others are going to law school etc.

Ive had an iron in this fire before, and I wont forget it.
Shame on Obama to cheapen a poor attempt at a temporary law/rule, where any new president can easily turn it over, and just for votes.
June 20, 2012 2:25:35 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
What are you talking about? There are already laws and programs in place to address all of the above. Green cards, day worker passes, seasonal farming programs, etc. etc. etc.

You just have to follow the laws already on the books rather than inventing them through 'emanations of the conundrum.'


What are you talking about?? He passed no laws and its completely within his power to do this if he views deporting kids as being unconstitutional.
June 20, 2012 2:26:54 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
I'm convinced liberalism is mental disorder, seriously.

The president has the power to NOT enforce the law because of multiple supreme court cases? Really? How effing convoluted is that thinking?

The President does NOT have the power to disregard the law. It is NOT Constitutional and if you think it is, can you please direct me to the correct article, section, and clause that expressly gives him such power to disregard the law of the land?


Do your own research since I am a retard I would probably screw it up.
June 20, 2012 3:16:56 PM

johnsonma said:
Do your own research since I am a retard I would probably screw it up.


+1 :hello: 
June 20, 2012 3:18:29 PM

Testing new sig.
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June 20, 2012 3:29:58 PM

Testing for spam
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June 20, 2012 3:57:30 PM

It is perfectly legal.

The administration is saying we aren't going to waste resources going after these people.


http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/obamas-immigration-pol...

Great discussion though guys. I think we went a whole two posts before it got ridiculous. Im sorry I ever posted anything.

June 20, 2012 4:45:19 PM

wanamingo said:
It is perfectly legal.

The administration is saying we aren't going to waste resources going after these people.


http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/obamas-immigration-pol...

Great discussion though guys. I think we went a whole two posts before it got ridiculous. Im sorry I ever posted anything.

Hey now, I REsemblE that remark
June 20, 2012 5:34:08 PM

I dont see how its politically motivated he already has an almost 70% approval rating with Hispanic voters.

Quote:
What is being done is that a limited and temporary exception is being created for a certain class of people that will give them relief from the threat of deportation (as long as they don’t commit a major crime) for a period of two years. It isn’t a path to citizenship. It won’t allow anyone who isn’t a citizenship to vote. And, anyone who is covered by this policy will still have to go through the same process as everyone else to receive a work permit. This isn’t even the only such exception that has been implemented by an American President. There’s one that applies to certain refugees from Central America that has been in place for more than a decade now, and another that applies to immigrants from China that was put in place under George W. Bush.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/utah...

From Mark Shurtleff, Utah's very conservative Attorney General:

Quote:
“Law enforcement makes decisions based on the resources available to them — until Congress acts, we’ll be left with too many people to deport,” Shurtleff said. “The administration is saying, `Here’s a group we could be spending our resources going after, but why? They’re Americans, they see themselves as Americans, they love this country.’”

Shurtleff added that the decision, by allowing children brought here illegally to go to school and work, could encourage them to stay out of gangs — which he called a “conservative” goal. He dismissed the claim that this would encourage further illegal immigration, noting that the president’s plan has a cutoff — you are only eligible if you came here before you turned 16 and are younger than 30, and have been in the country for at least five continuous years.


So its legal and 2/3 of Americans approve of it. Shouldn't we maybe listen to the will of the people?

Hasnt the Obama administration deported more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration?

Didnt the Obama administration even say that it was going to focus on deporting the criminal element and stop deporting hard working immigrants?. No one reported on that, why weren't you in an uproar then?

The system is already backed up because of poor funding for immigration, why not relieve the burden by not chasing down every illegal immigrant? Let the productive hard working people stay.

So its not illegal you just dont like it. Its not unpopular you just dont like it.
June 20, 2012 6:45:34 PM

More power to Ecuador as they too see things as Obama does, and grants Assange asylum.
Im sure the majority there will appreciate his contacts and monies
Since they arent in any way obstructing justice, by not reinforcing Swedens or GBs wishes
June 20, 2012 6:54:21 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
So you admit he is not enforcing the LAW. Thanks for the links.


I guess one way of thinking about this is like with drug cases. You dont always have to do 30 days (Or whatever) for an offense, even though that's what the LAW states. You can get probation, or counseling if you meet certain criteria.

I think that is a valid analogy, correct me if Im wrong.
June 20, 2012 7:42:51 PM

But those things are also the law, and taken into consideration, as approved by the courts.
Here, we see no courts, and 1 perspective of considerations, not many.
The main problem, besides Obama using this as a ploy, making him smaller than he was, is that this does nothing to solve a problem involving real people, real lives, the economies of various states and households, legal status etc etc, and can be undone on whim, being that this is such a whimsical act itself.
We all, including the illegals, deserve better.
This is shooting from the hip on something too important
June 20, 2012 8:07:04 PM

But again who is he trying to buy over? The 70% of Hispanic voters that were going to already vote for him or the 65% of people who approve of this legislation?

The people under this plan wont be able to vote, and they will still have to apply for work permit, and go through the process to become a citizen.

June 20, 2012 9:30:50 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
Assuming we all believe the polls, yes it's to increase the Hispanic vote in his favor. Assuming we believe the polls that 65% of people approve of this legislation, then why didn't the bill pass through Congress and make it's way to Obama's desk so he could sign it into law?

Perhaps the polls are flawed?


The reason it didn't pass congress was because of obstructionism from the conservative members. Its become abundantly clear that you are against this solely for the reason that a Democratic President enacted it.
June 21, 2012 2:40:11 PM

Its within his power, you continue to ignore that. It is a good thing for the kids who view this country as their home as well. Not to mention that our immigration system is already so backlogged that we can't even process all of the deportations. Why waste money on the kids going to school and doing good in society when we can concentrate on the real trouble makers? This is only a 2 year pass for them, they still have to get citizenship like everyone else. You have no real argument here OMG other then the election ramifications which is a valid one but I think is being overstated. No many Latino's vote republican anyways since they want to kick all of them out of the country.
June 21, 2012 7:09:07 PM

@Oldman just so we are all clear you have no problem with the policy just how Obama used a Policy Directive (Please correct me if that is the wrong term) to achieve it.

Is that correct?

Or is an executive order? I find quite a few sites that list one or the other.
June 21, 2012 8:00:45 PM

Its just funny that Bush can sign over 200 Executive orders including one that looks suspiciously like it include a part of the dream act

Expedite naturalization of Immigrant fighting for our country.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2002-07-08/pdf/02-17273...


Or this one that lets Illegal immigrants into our country based on the recommendations of the AG, from Carribean nations.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2002-11-19/pdf/02-29580...

Or the executive order Bush implemented for warrantless wire tapping?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillan...

Or this Bush EO:
http://blog.historians.org/advocacy/164/alert-tell-cong...

Or the Bush Stem Cell restriction legislation(In his defense it was still better than nothing)
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/10/us/president-s-decisi...

Or this Bush EO, which basically legalizes harsh interrogation methods, aome of which bend the geneva convention rules - Still classified
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/21/washington/21intel.ht...

Or this Bush EO, letting federally subsidized religious groups to not hire you based on religion
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatter...

Or this Bush EO that lets him say boom you are a terrorist.
http://www.wnd.com/2007/07/42717/

Its not anything new if you read up a bit on Executive Orders.

You just dont like it. You also realize these people are actually already here right?
June 21, 2012 8:09:49 PM

Its not like he is completely disregarding the law, he deported more illegals than any presidents since 1960 or something like that. He is just giving a slight window for the educated and law abiding of them to get jobs and get on the path towards earning their citizenship.

Why focus on these kids when we can focus on deporting the people that really need deported? Quit being blinded by your hatred of our President and look at this logically.
June 21, 2012 10:32:25 PM

I think Mingo was just pointing out that this is a common practice by Presidents. I am guessing you still have not researched this.
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