P4 800 SE OR Deluxe?

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (More info?)

What's the difference between these two boards? They both have RAID
and use the same chip set... any major advantage of the Deluxe over
the SE? Thanks...

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (More info?)

In article <s07vg1ljm8f4bu49s46gngeso251mqibte@4ax.com>, jayson
<robjayson@hotsnail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:09:52 GMT, jayson <robjayson@hotsnail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >What's the difference between these two boards? They both have RAID
> >and use the same chip set... any major advantage of the Deluxe over
> >the SE? Thanks...
>
> One other question: Northwood or Prescott?

P4P800-SE P4P800-E Deluxe
-----------------------+-------------------+--------------------------
ICH5R ICH5R (Same basic main chipset)
+ Promise PDC20378 (Another raid chip)
+ 2 Port Firewire (firewire chip)
AD1985 6-ch sound ALC850 8-ch sound (roughly the same. AD1985
is a bit "muddy" due to
too much reverb in driver.
8 ch sound usually
steals "Aux-in" header
signal for output of
channel 7 and 8, so might
as well be six channel.)
+ vocal POST errors (useful for debugging)
+ optical SPDIF out (both have coax SPDIF out,
deluxe adds optical SPDIF
output)
+ SATA power cable
+ 1 more 80 wire
IDE cable

The Promise chip might come in handy, if you use a lot of
disks. You may or may not like the Firewire chip - check
Google for any problems with that particular kind of Firewire
chip (Via VT6307) versus whatever camera you use with it.

Between Northwood and Prescott, Prescott runs a bit hotter, but
Prescott may overclock a bit further than the Northwood. Choose
Northwood if you plan to run at stock speed, while if you are
planning on pushing the processor into overclock territory,
the Prescott may pay off there. If you check www.cpudatabase.com
you'll notice the Prescott overclockers use water cooling, while
the Northwood overclockers use air. Whether this is representative
of the better availability of water cooling systems when Prescott
showed up, is hard to say.

(If I was planning on monster overclocks with an S478 processor,
I would choose a P4C800-E Deluxe or a competitors board with
the same 875P chipset. When the CPU clock goes from the normal
200Mhz, to above 250MHz, the 875P won't have video artifacts,
while the 865PE may see artifacts. Do a search on abxzone for
"artifacts" to find out more.)

Xbitlabs has noticed in their testing, that Prescott has a fix for
Hyperthreading, for a performance problem seen in Northwood. There
is a "replay loop" in both processors, and Prescott is a little
more resistant to a certain pathological condition. In normal
use, you may or may not notice any difference either way - some
people like to turn off Hyperthreading anyway, as it isn't always
an advantage.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] -2_18.html

You may want to examine more of the articles on this page:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/

When it comes to any processor selection, you really need to
consider your own application mix (office applications,
gaming, video editing, Photoshop, compression), as the
benchmarks will vary between platforms. Each processor has
different strengths and weaknesses, so the more benchmarks
you examine, the better you'll be prepared for your purchasing
choice.

If you are building a system used mainly for gaming, a high end
Athlon64 would be a better choice. For any other purposes, it is
up to you to read the benchmark articles on Tomshardware,
Anandtech, and the like. There are as many opinions on the
subject, as there are reviewers.

And availability may make a difference too. If you cannot find
Northwoods any more, the choice will be moot.

Paul

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (More info?)

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:13:35 -0400, "BigJIm" <woody10277@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>The P4P800-E Deluxe offers the most complete RAID solution. A Promise RAID
>controller offers RAID 0, 1 and 0+1 functions with Max. 2 UltraATA 133 ports
>and 2 SATA HD ports, enabling users to build a RAID array with any 2, 3 or 4
>of the ports. With unique multi-RAID function, RAID 0 and RAID 1 array can
>co-exist.
>
>P4P800 SE
>ICH5R with Integrated SATA and RAID 0
>Intel is the world's first chipset maker to integrate Serial ATA (SATA) and
>RAID 0, 1 functions into the South Bridge. The latest ICH5R chipset now
>delivers 150MB/s fast data transfer (SATA) and striping performance to
>enhance computing efficiency.
>
>I am running an SE with a Prescott 3.2 no problems.
>I do not use the RAID
>
>
>"jayson" <robjayson@hotsnail.com> wrote in message
>news:0a3vg1dtcilud7nkmdln40lj7gg3l0b16q@4ax.com...
>> What's the difference between these two boards? They both have RAID
>> and use the same chip set... any major advantage of the Deluxe over
>> the SE? Thanks...
>

Thanks for the help; I'm leaning towards the SE board (since I've read
about some similar boot problems E Deluxe users are having) with a 2.8
Northwood processor and 4 gigs of memory. I'm still not exceptionally
clear about Northwood vs. Prescott cpu, although I did read the
Prescott runs hotter with no significant performance boost over the
Northwood, and with some apps, the Northwood is faster, although the
Prescott appears to be more future-proof.

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (More info?)

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:52:17 -0400, "BigJIm" <woody10277@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>the problem is finding a northwood cpu
>I wanted one but had to settle for the prescott
>it run fine. I got the retail with fan and heatsink
>no problems with heat. I do run 5 fans in my box.
>
Thanks again; I need to do more research on this purchase because I'm
moving some large Photoshop CS files around and my PIII 866 with 1.5
gigs of memory just isn't doing it anymore. I want to build a box
that will be significantly faster and more efficient than what I now
have. I don't want to put a new one together and find that the
upgrade is minor at best after an investment of about $800. It needs
to support scsi and a Matrox 650 graphics card and a few other things
like a Hollywood + dvd decoder card, etc. This isn't about gaming;
more about graphics and work. So compatibility and speed and
efficiency are big issues as they are with every motherboard/cpu
upgrade. I'm even contemplating AMD although I think this might pose
even larger problems than I'm willing to deal with. Unfortunately the
P4 Prescott "upgrade" doesn't seem like it's much of a performance
spike over the PIII; if I had more memory slots on my board, I would
wait for the next significant thing before upgrading...