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My AGP video card is about to die and
an old ATI PCI video card is the only thing I currently have on hand.

My current setup is as follows ...

Asus A7V133 [rev 1.05. (with dot)]
AMD Athlon XP 1600+
Leadtek WinFast GeForce256 32MB DDR AGP
PCI Slot 1: USB Card
PCI Slot 2: 3Com 3C905C-TX-M
PCI Slot 3: Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1
PCI Slot 4: -----
PCI Slot 5: -----
Windows 98 Second Edition (VIA 4.35 4in1)

Which slot is best to use for the PCI video card?

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Adam wrote:

>
> My AGP video card is about to die and
> an old ATI PCI video card is the only thing I currently have on hand.
>
> My current setup is as follows ...
>
> Asus A7V133 [rev 1.05. (with dot)]
> AMD Athlon XP 1600+
> Leadtek WinFast GeForce256 32MB DDR AGP
> PCI Slot 1: USB Card
> PCI Slot 2: 3Com 3C905C-TX-M
> PCI Slot 3: Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1
> PCI Slot 4: -----
> PCI Slot 5: -----
> Windows 98 Second Edition (VIA 4.35 4in1)
>
> Which slot is best to use for the PCI video card?

Hi Adam!


Slot1 PCI is the first Slot. AGP is the first device on the PCI0 or 1
Slot.
So if you use an AGP, you must (don´t have to) leave PCI1 spare.
Then you can connect PCI to Slot 2 and Slot3. Slot 4 and 5 is probably
(I don´t know the A7V133 very good, but the VIA´s at this time were
only terrible, making ISA-PCI-AGP Boards without ISA Slots!?) shared.

If you use a PCI GfX, I would suggest you to use the first PCI Slot.
PCI2 - Networkcard
PCI-3 - USB
PCI4/5 - Sound

Probably you will get interreupt-sharings when connecting something to
Slot 4/5 (there is the Pci to ISA-Bridge, without ISA Slots :-)), with
OnBoard Devices like USB, Sound which are normally connected internally
to Slot 4/5. But if disabling all onboard features you could get free
of IRQ-Sharing.
The same goes with the AGP Slot, if connected together with a PCI Card
in Slot 1.

But all at all it would not make much difference. Configuring Windows
98 for Standard-PC operation is possible, but I don´t know how. A NT
based System will give you much more access to the Hardware (more
configurable).
98 is placing all devices to IRQ9 making Software IRQ....

etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.


Configuring at this parameters makes a nice, fast and responsible
system (every device an own IRQ). But as you do, you go well with Win98
(leaving all possible devices possible), too. 1.3Ghz can compensate it.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

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Sorry, I probably should have mentioned that
PCI Slot 1 is not connected but the opening is
blocked by the USB Card since the connector is
near there. Otherwise, I don't think things would have worked.
I might need to move the network card from PCI Slot 2 to PCI Slot 4.
Then, shift the USB Card from the PCI Slot 1 opening to the PCI Slot 2 opening.

Also, I recall that the sound card must be in PCI Slot 3.


"Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@ping.at> wrote in message
news:4330b205$0$4437$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at...
> Adam wrote:
>
> >
> > My AGP video card is about to die and
> > an old ATI PCI video card is the only thing I currently have on hand.
> >
> > My current setup is as follows ...
> >
> > Asus A7V133 [rev 1.05. (with dot)]
> > AMD Athlon XP 1600+
> > Leadtek WinFast GeForce256 32MB DDR AGP
> > PCI Slot 1: USB Card
> > PCI Slot 2: 3Com 3C905C-TX-M
> > PCI Slot 3: Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1
> > PCI Slot 4: -----
> > PCI Slot 5: -----
> > Windows 98 Second Edition (VIA 4.35 4in1)
> >
> > Which slot is best to use for the PCI video card?
>
> Hi Adam!
>
>
> Slot1 PCI is the first Slot. AGP is the first device on the PCI0 or 1
> Slot.
> So if you use an AGP, you must (don´t have to) leave PCI1 spare.
> Then you can connect PCI to Slot 2 and Slot3. Slot 4 and 5 is probably
> (I don´t know the A7V133 very good, but the VIA´s at this time were
> only terrible, making ISA-PCI-AGP Boards without ISA Slots!?) shared.
>
> If you use a PCI GfX, I would suggest you to use the first PCI Slot.
> PCI2 - Networkcard
> PCI-3 - USB
> PCI4/5 - Sound
>
> Probably you will get interreupt-sharings when connecting something to
> Slot 4/5 (there is the Pci to ISA-Bridge, without ISA Slots :-)), with
> OnBoard Devices like USB, Sound which are normally connected internally
> to Slot 4/5. But if disabling all onboard features you could get free
> of IRQ-Sharing.
> The same goes with the AGP Slot, if connected together with a PCI Card
> in Slot 1.
>
> But all at all it would not make much difference. Configuring Windows
> 98 for Standard-PC operation is possible, but I don´t know how. A NT
> based System will give you much more access to the Hardware (more
> configurable).
> 98 is placing all devices to IRQ9 making Software IRQ....
>
> etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
>
>
> Configuring at this parameters makes a nice, fast and responsible
> system (every device an own IRQ). But as you do, you go well with Win98
> (leaving all possible devices possible), too. 1.3Ghz can compensate it.
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Daniel Mandic

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Adam wrote:

>
> Sorry, I probably should have mentioned that
> PCI Slot 1 is not connected but the opening is
> blocked by the USB Card since the connector is
> near there. Otherwise, I don't think things would have worked.
> I might need to move the network card from PCI Slot 2 to PCI Slot 4.
> Then, shift the USB Card from the PCI Slot 1 opening to the PCI Slot
> 2 opening.
>
> Also, I recall that the sound card must be in PCI Slot 3.
>
>
> > >
> > > My current setup is as follows ...
> > >
> > > Asus A7V133 [rev 1.05. (with dot)]
> > > AMD Athlon XP 1600+
> > > Leadtek WinFast GeForce256 32MB DDR AGP
> > > PCI Slot 1: USB Card
> > > PCI Slot 2: 3Com 3C905C-TX-M
> > > PCI Slot 3: Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1
> > > PCI Slot 4: -----
> > > PCI Slot 5: -----
> > > Windows 98 Second Edition (VIA 4.35 4in1)
> > >
> > > Which slot is best to use for the PCI video card?
> >



The Best Slot for PCI GfX is PCI Slot 1.


Take 2 for Network
3 for (probably a hardware busmaster soundbuffered) soundcard!?
and 4/5 for the USB.

Should work.


With AGP. 1 spare. 2 Network. 3 Sound. 4 USB.
USB will share IRQ with onboard USB - slot4/5=onboard devices. - No
problem.... Chipset can manage.
Onboard sound off.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

P.S.: AGP delivers many features for faster gaming. Especially with D3D
and OpenGL.

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Thanks, the PCI GfX is only temporary until
I get an AGP replacement for the current AGP GfX that
is slowly choking to death. It's interesting to
see how a video card dies. It looks almost like
hardcopies from a printer that is running out of toner. :-)


"Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@ping.at> wrote in message
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> Adam wrote:
>
> >
> > Sorry, I probably should have mentioned that
> > PCI Slot 1 is not connected but the opening is
> > blocked by the USB Card since the connector is
> > near there. Otherwise, I don't think things would have worked.
> > I might need to move the network card from PCI Slot 2 to PCI Slot 4.
> > Then, shift the USB Card from the PCI Slot 1 opening to the PCI Slot
> > 2 opening.
> >
> > Also, I recall that the sound card must be in PCI Slot 3.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > My current setup is as follows ...
> > > >
> > > > Asus A7V133 [rev 1.05. (with dot)]
> > > > AMD Athlon XP 1600+
> > > > Leadtek WinFast GeForce256 32MB DDR AGP
> > > > PCI Slot 1: USB Card
> > > > PCI Slot 2: 3Com 3C905C-TX-M
> > > > PCI Slot 3: Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1
> > > > PCI Slot 4: -----
> > > > PCI Slot 5: -----
> > > > Windows 98 Second Edition (VIA 4.35 4in1)
> > > >
> > > > Which slot is best to use for the PCI video card?
> > >
>
>
>
> The Best Slot for PCI GfX is PCI Slot 1.
>
>
> Take 2 for Network
> 3 for (probably a hardware busmaster soundbuffered) soundcard!?
> and 4/5 for the USB.
>
> Should work.
>
>
> With AGP. 1 spare. 2 Network. 3 Sound. 4 USB.
> USB will share IRQ with onboard USB - slot4/5=onboard devices. - No
> problem.... Chipset can manage.
> Onboard sound off.
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Daniel Mandic
>
> P.S.: AGP delivers many features for faster gaming. Especially with D3D
> and OpenGL.

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Also, can the PCI GfX coexist with the AGP GfX?


"Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message news:qW6Ye.800$xc4.751@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
> Thanks, the PCI GfX is only temporary until
> I get an AGP replacement for the current AGP GfX that
> is slowly choking to death. It's interesting to
> see how a video card dies. It looks almost like
> hardcopies from a printer that is running out of toner. :-)
>
>
> "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@ping.at> wrote in message
> news:4330bf47$0$4099$91cee783@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at...
> > Adam wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Sorry, I probably should have mentioned that
> > > PCI Slot 1 is not connected but the opening is
> > > blocked by the USB Card since the connector is
> > > near there. Otherwise, I don't think things would have worked.
> > > I might need to move the network card from PCI Slot 2 to PCI Slot 4.
> > > Then, shift the USB Card from the PCI Slot 1 opening to the PCI Slot
> > > 2 opening.
> > >
> > > Also, I recall that the sound card must be in PCI Slot 3.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My current setup is as follows ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Asus A7V133 [rev 1.05. (with dot)]
> > > > > AMD Athlon XP 1600+
> > > > > Leadtek WinFast GeForce256 32MB DDR AGP
> > > > > PCI Slot 1: USB Card
> > > > > PCI Slot 2: 3Com 3C905C-TX-M
> > > > > PCI Slot 3: Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1
> > > > > PCI Slot 4: -----
> > > > > PCI Slot 5: -----
> > > > > Windows 98 Second Edition (VIA 4.35 4in1)
> > > > >
> > > > > Which slot is best to use for the PCI video card?
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Best Slot for PCI GfX is PCI Slot 1.
> >
> >
> > Take 2 for Network
> > 3 for (probably a hardware busmaster soundbuffered) soundcard!?
> > and 4/5 for the USB.
> >
> > Should work.
> >
> >
> > With AGP. 1 spare. 2 Network. 3 Sound. 4 USB.
> > USB will share IRQ with onboard USB - slot4/5=onboard devices. - No
> > problem.... Chipset can manage.
> > Onboard sound off.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Daniel Mandic
> >
> > P.S.: AGP delivers many features for faster gaming. Especially with D3D
> > and OpenGL.
>

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Adam wrote:

>
> Also, can the PCI GfX coexist with the AGP GfX?
>


Not really. Maybe you can set it in BIOS, from which BUS it starts. I
have never tried......


With your Board you have a wide choice of working AGP Cards. Although
the broken AGP Card you mentioned, seems to be repairable. Maybe just a
bad contact, or a weak solder-point.

I have my KT133A (ECS Elitegroup K7VZA3.0) with a Palomino1800XP and a
GeForce4 ti 4200 Ultra (AGP4x, FastWrites and Sideband enabled). But I
prefer the crystal clear screen output from the Matrox Millenium G450
on the other Machine.
So my AMD Machines comes good for playing exotic 3d Games - modern.
The other is much better in 2D Quality AND Performance and up to
DirectX 7 the Matrox is the better choice, the Geforce needs DX8 and
greater, making weird things with older DX5,6 or 7 Games.
I don´t know how the Hardware behaves on Linux but some attributes
would be the same.





Kind Regards,

Daniel Mandic


P.S.: The AMD needs a second boot, then it works flawlessly :-), since
I have disabled the 2nd IDE Channel. This Bug on the Southbridge should
go with your MB, too.

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There is a BIOS setting ...

Primary VGA BIOS [PCI Card]
Configuration options: [PCI Card] [AGP Card]

But, that doesn't tell me whether both can coexist.

Not sure if there is a better choice for the money but
the AGP video card that I I'm thinking of getting is:
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB DDR 256-bit AGP 8x/4x


"Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@ping.at> wrote in message
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> Adam wrote:
>
> >
> > Also, can the PCI GfX coexist with the AGP GfX?
> >
>
> Not really. Maybe you can set it in BIOS, from which BUS it starts. I
> have never tried......
>
>
> With your Board you have a wide choice of working AGP Cards. Although
> the broken AGP Card you mentioned, seems to be repairable. Maybe just a
> bad contact, or a weak solder-point.
>
> I have my KT133A (ECS Elitegroup K7VZA3.0) with a Palomino1800XP and a
> GeForce4 ti 4200 Ultra (AGP4x, FastWrites and Sideband enabled). But I
> prefer the crystal clear screen output from the Matrox Millenium G450
> on the other Machine.
> So my AMD Machines comes good for playing exotic 3d Games - modern.
> The other is much better in 2D Quality AND Performance and up to
> DirectX 7 the Matrox is the better choice, the Geforce needs DX8 and
> greater, making weird things with older DX5,6 or 7 Games.
> I don´t know how the Hardware behaves on Linux but some attributes
> would be the same.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Daniel Mandic
>
>
> P.S.: The AMD needs a second boot, then it works flawlessly :-), since
> I have disabled the 2nd IDE Channel. This Bug on the Southbridge should
> go with your MB, too.

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Adam wrote:

>
> There is a BIOS setting ...
>
> Primary VGA BIOS [PCI Card]
> Configuration options: [PCI Card] [AGP Card]
>

Yes.

> But, that doesn't tell me whether both can coexist.
>
> Not sure if there is a better choice for the money but
> the AGP video card that I I'm thinking of getting is:
> ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB DDR 256-bit AGP 8x/4x


As you like. I am sure this is a fast beast.

Good Luck.



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

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Yep, it works ... and on the first try too! )

Daniel, thank you very much for your help.
My eyes feel much better now ...

And, yes, the PCI video card and the AGP video card can
coexist with my A7V133 motherboard.

Hmmm ... and I'm willing to bet that
my system will not freeze as much now that
the Leadtek WinFast GeForce256 DDR video card is retired.


"Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@ping.at> wrote in message
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> Adam wrote:
>
> >
> > There is a BIOS setting ...
> >
> > Primary VGA BIOS [PCI Card]
> > Configuration options: [PCI Card] [AGP Card]
> >
>
> Yes.
>
> > But, that doesn't tell me whether both can coexist.
> >
> > Not sure if there is a better choice for the money but
> > the AGP video card that I'm thinking of getting is:
> > ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB DDR 256-bit AGP 8x/4x
>
>
> As you like. I am sure this is a fast beast.
>
> Good Luck.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Daniel Mandic