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Apple Security is 10 Years Behind Microsoft, Says Kaspersky

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April 27, 2012 9:27:49 AM

So, am I the only one who burst out laughing when I saw the title?
And people used to tell me how good Apple's security was.
Time to gloat at all the Apple fanboys/girls :lol: 
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April 27, 2012 9:28:34 AM

Well duh. We all know Apples low market share has been the gate keeping them safe.

Why go for the crumbs, when going for the whole pie is so much more......appealing....
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April 27, 2012 9:31:28 AM

i hope there is no one this surprises anywhere i would hate to think anyone is stupid enough to think macs were secure in anyway other then number of users and hackers not caring.
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April 27, 2012 9:51:59 AM

well, duh
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Anonymous
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April 27, 2012 9:58:48 AM

That's the difference between "safe" and "secure".

Macs were never really secure, but they were safe for a time. Now they're neither. Pity.
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April 27, 2012 10:14:56 AM

that picture of the apple logo being a toilet would be an awesome poster to hang on the outside of one of their apple stores.
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April 27, 2012 10:17:35 AM

GHaagagagdThat's the difference between "safe" and "secure".Macs were never really secure, but they were safe for a time. Now they're neither. Pity.

Not exactly, MS was the only reason why Apple weren't really targeted.
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April 27, 2012 10:22:04 AM

Step 1: Create another user account (I'm assuming that you're using Vista/Windows 7), call it Security
Step 2: Create a nice password. This will be an administrative account
Step 3: Turn UAC up to the maximum
Step 4: Change YOUR user account to a standard account.
Step 5: Use your account day to day and when you need to change something you'll be prompted for the Security password.

Other:
Step 1: Open IE9, click the cog and basically change your Privacy to medium high and change the Pop-up blocker from medium to high. No wonder people get pop-ups!
Step 2: Disable ALL add-ins other than flash. ie9 will be faster.
Step 3: Add this to your hosts file to protect your browsing, be it Opera, Firefox, ie9 etc.
http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/

Security on Windows is EASY but you'll ALWAYS, always, alllwaysss get that user who'll click on the pop-up from that 'pron' web page.
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April 27, 2012 10:46:22 AM

-JacksonSo, am I the only one who burst out laughing when I saw the title?

Nope.

To Apple fanboys: Your system was secure because simply put: hackers weren't interested in your system.
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April 27, 2012 11:09:47 AM

This is just anti virus companies trying to sell their products.

Only time will tell how secure or unsecure OS X is.
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April 27, 2012 11:11:51 AM

Something more came to my mind.

Hackers have ethics and self-respect. They won't target a system that is easy to hack. They will target a system that is supposed to be unhackable and then gain respect from the hacking community by successfully hacking it. Now finally the Mac OS has become worthy of hacking.
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April 27, 2012 11:13:11 AM

chimera201Nope.To Apple fanboys: Your system was secure because simply put: hackers weren't interested in your system.


Nope.To Apple fanboys: Your system was safe because simply put: hackers weren't interested in your system.

Fixed it - Macs have _never_ been secure, always hacked first in black hat events and the like, only the small 6% worldwide market-share have made it safer since no one bothered compared to Windows that have 90% of the computer market. Windows still manages to keep it secure enough that most of corporate world have it as the OS of choice, that is telling!
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April 27, 2012 11:23:59 AM

molo9000This is just anti virus companies trying to sell their products.Only time will tell how secure or unsecure OS X is.

While this is most likely true the idea of being on the internet on a computer w/out anti-virus/malware just seems so ignorant that its almost sad. Even for Apple users (and I'm one of them) that are too cheap to use a paid-for product there are decent free ones. ...Windows may indeed be more secure...Microsoft has been doing battle on this front for a long time. If Apple hasn't been as well they need to get with the program. ...and my fellow Mac users that don't think they need anti-virus/anti-malware need to remove their craniums from their rectal cavities...its 2012.
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April 27, 2012 11:59:57 AM

It would be nice if it were only Apple security that was behind Microsoft. Despite any reservations about Microsoft, this has to be stated. Onother bad thing about Apple is that it makes companies like Microsoft seem like beacons of freedom and open standards. Indeed that is how bad Apple is.
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April 27, 2012 12:04:43 PM

I'm not a big Apple fan, but if they're good at anything, they're good at saving face. I think they will start to dump money in security.
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April 27, 2012 12:06:37 PM

leo2kpI'm not a big Apple fan, but if they're good at anything, they're good at saving face. I think they will start to dump money in security.

...and that would be a good thing. Wouldn't it be interesting if they actually began to offer the most secure OS? ...as they've purported to do for so long?
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April 27, 2012 12:07:38 PM

alhanelemthat picture of the apple logo being a toilet would be an awesome poster to hang on the outside of one of their apple stores.

If I didn't like Apple products as much as I do that picture would already be my avatar.
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April 27, 2012 12:10:38 PM

It matters not if Apple is secure. Apple thrives on shine and lies and as as symbol of technological awareness for people who are tecnological reptiles.
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April 27, 2012 12:14:18 PM

A simple solution:

Massive advertisement campaign to coverup the break-in reports.
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April 27, 2012 12:25:33 PM

HalcyonWhile this is most likely true the idea of being on the internet on a computer w/out anti-virus/malware just seems so ignorant that its almost sad. Even for Apple users (and I'm one of them) that are too cheap to use a paid-for product there are decent free ones. ...Windows may indeed be more secure...Microsoft has been doing battle on this front for a long time. If Apple hasn't been as well they need to get with the program. ...and my fellow Mac users that don't think they need anti-virus/anti-malware need to remove their craniums from their rectal cavities...its 2012.

Speak for yourself. I have been using computers for years with no anti-virus or anti-malware installed. Some of us are smart enough to know how to use traditional system monitoring tools without installing such bloatware that works half-the-time.
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April 27, 2012 12:40:58 PM

This isn't even news.

It is stating the obvious.
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April 27, 2012 12:45:03 PM

wardlerThis isn't even news.It is stating the obvious.

Who is it obvious to?
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April 27, 2012 12:52:29 PM

how ironic....live and learn...i hope they learn
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April 27, 2012 12:56:50 PM

nebunhow ironic....live and learn...i hope they learn

+1
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April 27, 2012 12:59:16 PM

Known this for years. Apple's OS is not secure, it's only been an 'also-ran' up until recently that no one wanted to focus on because of that small userbase.

Now that it is getting more userbase, lo and behold.... they are realizing that it's easier to hack than Microsoft's systems because they didn't take the lessons that Microsoft learned to heart and sandbox/limit/etc. every application.
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April 27, 2012 1:03:13 PM

mayne92Speak for yourself. I have been using computers for years with no anti-virus or anti-malware installed. Some of us are smart enough to know how to use traditional system monitoring tools without installing such bloatware that works half-the-time.


I had to just log in to point out how idiotic of a statement this is. As a software engineer, I know systems and whatever the hell "traditional system monitoring tools" are, only some sort of antimalware software can detect malicious memory changes which most "good" viruses work with. You cannot manually monitor memory changes which only have to change a few bytes here and there. Also, if a virus is disguised has a normal service, or even a hidden service, you will be none the wiser.

So the moral of this post, if you do anything on the internet USE ANTIVIRUS. That is all.
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April 27, 2012 1:16:16 PM

spunkymunkyI had to just log in to point out how idiotic of a statement this is. As a software engineer, I know systems and whatever the hell "traditional system monitoring tools" are, only some sort of antimalware software can detect malicious memory changes which most "good" viruses work with. You cannot manually monitor memory changes which only have to change a few bytes here and there. Also, if a virus is disguised has a normal service, or even a hidden service, you will be none the wiser. So the moral of this post, if you do anything on the internet USE ANTIVIRUS. That is all.


I had to second this. As a programmer and hacker (both white hat and -- in earlier days -- black hat), I know that the idea that "just being careful" and believing yourself safe is ludicrous.

This is the Dunning-Kruger effect in a nutshell, pretty much. True security experts are paranoid and use multiple layers of anti-malware protection.

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April 27, 2012 1:19:46 PM

spunkymunkyI had to just log in to point out how idiotic of a statement this is. As a software engineer, I know systems and whatever the hell "traditional system monitoring tools" are, only some sort of antimalware software can detect malicious memory changes which most "good" viruses work with. You cannot manually monitor memory changes which only have to change a few bytes here and there. Also, if a virus is disguised has a normal service, or even a hidden service, you will be none the wiser. So the moral of this post, if you do anything on the internet USE ANTIVIRUS. That is all.

"Idiotic" may be a bit harsh...let's say "mis-informed" for civility sake. Even before all this Mac malware news was prevalent it just seemed weird to me to not use a antivirus on my Macs. ...kinda of like not using a condom because I think I "Know" the girl. ...couldn't convince myself to do it.
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April 27, 2012 1:51:10 PM

Security through Obscurity can only take one so far
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April 27, 2012 2:00:46 PM

damianrobertjonesSecurity on Windows is EASY but you'll ALWAYS, always, alllwaysss get that user who'll click on the pop-up from that 'pron' web page.


but she seemed nice!!... she started chatting to me on messenger with her webcam on... and I don't even use messenger :) 
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April 27, 2012 2:26:55 PM

alhanelemthat picture of the apple logo being a toilet would be an awesome poster to hang on the outside of one of their apple stores.


You realize by doing that it would create a feeding frenzy of people searching desperately and then waiting in line for hours just to purchase a $3000 toilet shaped like the Apple logo. It would be hailed as innovative and market changing. Rendering all others obsolete because it provides a better "user experience."
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April 27, 2012 2:32:22 PM

ouroborousI had to second this. As a programmer and hacker (both white hat and -- in earlier days -- black hat), I know that the idea that "just being careful" and believing yourself safe is ludicrous.This is the Dunning-Kruger effect in a nutshell, pretty much. True security experts are paranoid and use multiple layers of anti-malware protection.


That link was the read of the day; I would give more thumbs up if i could.
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April 27, 2012 3:13:41 PM

Makes sense since Apple have no reason to invest in security..... until something happens.
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April 27, 2012 3:26:41 PM

Can happen to anyone. The bigger your market share, the bigger the target on your chest.
As Apple's market share increases, and they policies consistently tend to tick off people they will become more of a target for hackers. So will do it to proof a point, some to make money and a few as simple payback :-)


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April 27, 2012 3:40:30 PM

Where can I buy an iCrapple (like the one pictured)?
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April 27, 2012 3:47:54 PM

When more and more sheep buy crApple products, it's gets more attractive to malware writers.

In 2005, who cared about what a douchebag like Justin Long had on his computer besides his collection of Drew Barrymore porn?
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April 27, 2012 4:10:56 PM

In other news, breathing is required to sustain human existance.
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April 27, 2012 4:12:30 PM

datawreckerYou realize by doing that it would create a feeding frenzy of people searching desperately and then waiting in line for hours just to purchase a $3000 toilet shaped like the Apple logo. It would be hailed as innovative and market changing. Rendering all others obsolete because it provides a better "user experience."


Attempts to troll... probably successful, given the mentality of the average Tom's reader.

Person who doesn't understand design aesthetic and build quality sell hasn't heard of BMW, Audi, Mercedes, lives under a rock.
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April 27, 2012 4:14:50 PM

-JacksonSo, am I the only one who burst out laughing when I saw the title?And people used to tell me how good Apple's security was. Time to gloat at all the Apple fanboys/girls


Apple has never had "good" security. Heck, I didn't know Apple had ANY security. I didn't know they needed it. Their marketshare is so frigging low, I didn't know hackers/virus makers even thought of them as a target. That was also supposed to be a selling point, if I'm not mistaken. ;) 
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April 27, 2012 4:17:19 PM

to be fair, this is an Security company here...they have an interest in Mac seeming/being threatened, so they can push their product. lets get an objective review and validate this a little.

that said, 10 years ago...so right around the security of Windows XP, still a widely used operating system. that is amusing.
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April 27, 2012 4:35:05 PM

It wasn't until recently that MS offered AV software. OS X (for those that don't know this) does offer a simple firewall. However, if my memory serves me correctly, its' not turned on by default (if it is, please forgive me...I haven't relied on it for years). I've read that there are some built-in anti-malware-type features in OS X Snow Leopard/Lion but it appears that "just a sprinking" isn't enough. I'm curious to see how Apple responds, however, I'll continue to use VirusBarrier (hey, its better than nothing). They may really implement some nice security upgrades but not advertise (so as not to admit there was a need?). ...wouldn't surprise me one bit.
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April 27, 2012 5:00:52 PM

HalcyonWho is it obvious to?


To everyone who has been saying this for years (such as myself). Macs were never really secure. Macs were *safe* through their relative obscurity compared to Windows, but never secure.

halcyonIt wasn't until recently that MS offered AV software. OS X (for those that don't know this) does offer a simple firewall. However, if my memory serves me correctly, its' not turned on by default (if it is, please forgive me...I haven't relied on it for years). I've read that there are some built-in anti-malware-type features in OS X Snow Leopard/Lion but it appears that "just a sprinking" isn't enough. I'm curious to see how Apple responds, however, I'll continue to use VirusBarrier (hey, its better than nothing). They may really implement some nice security upgrades but not advertise (so as not to admit there was a need?). ...wouldn't surprise me one bit.


M$ didn't personally offer AV, but there have been PC AV companies for more than the ten years cited in how far behind Apple is. So, Apple's OS may only be as secure as XP without any SPs, but at least XP could also get an AV back then too. Sure, now there's AV for Macs too, but it probably isn't common and probably won't be common for some time now.

M$ OSs have had AV available for FAR longer than Macs have. For example, even my old ME computer (bleh) that I recycled recently had AV put on it at least 10 years ago. It wasn't the first either.
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April 27, 2012 5:06:11 PM

spunkymunkyI had to just log in to point out how idiotic of a statement this is. As a software engineer, I know systems and whatever the hell "traditional system monitoring tools" are, only some sort of antimalware software can detect malicious memory changes which most "good" viruses work with. You cannot manually monitor memory changes which only have to change a few bytes here and there. Also, if a virus is disguised has a normal service, or even a hidden service, you will be none the wiser. So the moral of this post, if you do anything on the internet USE ANTIVIRUS. That is all.


None of that is needed. If you browse legitimate sites (a la toms), you are at zero risk. The ads here are annoying, but you are not getting a virus(there are BARELY any viruses in circulation, 99% of what is out there is malware). For any non mainstream/shady sites, use a virtualized or sandboxed browser and you are at zero risk.

People thinking you need multilayer isa and hardware firewalls are a bit too intense. Run a pfsense box or similar, and use some common sense/virtu, and you are IMMUNE. Viruses/malware arent magical.
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April 27, 2012 5:20:38 PM

jackblingNone of that is needed. If you browse legitimate sites (a la toms), you are at zero risk. The ads here are annoying, but you are not getting a virus(there are BARELY any viruses in circulation, 99% of what is out there is malware). For any non mainstream/shady sites, use a virtualized or sandboxed browser and you are at zero risk.People thinking you need multilayer isa and hardware firewalls are a bit too intense. Run a pfsense box or similar, and use some common sense/virtu, and you are IMMUNE. Viruses/malware arent magical.


Some malware can get through sandboxing and virtual/hardware layers... Besides that, there is no such thing as a zero-risk site. Any site can be hacked and you might not even know it until the hackers spring something into action and screw everyone.

There is no such thing as zero-risk from security breaches on the internet unless your computer doesn't have internet access. You are never completely immune.
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April 27, 2012 5:29:00 PM

When there was no one using apple junk, it was the most secure junk on earth. No one wants to break into your house if they know there's nothing to steel. Makes sense. Now things have changed.

Also, this 'pron' stuff sounds kind of cool. I need to check it out.
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April 27, 2012 5:29:04 PM

When I write a virus for OSX, it just works.
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April 27, 2012 5:31:15 PM

Malware that can get through Sandboxing and Virtualization probably has 0 problem defeating antivirus
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April 27, 2012 5:43:39 PM

J Random HackerMalware that can get through Sandboxing and Virtualization probably has 0 problem defeating antivirus


No trouble getting through Mcafee and Norton. Avast, Avira, and some others usually don't have such problems. That is also why there are other programs such as Spybot that can watch the registry and only lets it be changed at all if you allow it. There are also other programs. THis is why some people have more than one virtual layer and such... Malware generally can't get through every single line of defense, hence why some people have so many layers.
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April 27, 2012 5:53:48 PM

tuffjuffAttempts to troll... probably successful, given the mentality of the average Tom's reader.Person who doesn't understand design aesthetic and build quality sell hasn't heard of BMW, Audi, Mercedes, lives under a rock.

Did you just compare Apple to the very best car manufacturers? It would be more suiting to say that Apple is Mercedes/BMW with a Yugo45 engine (at the Mercedes/BMW price of course).
They're selling 512GB for $1,250 ($700 at newegg), 4x2GB RAM for $335 ($80 at newegg) and plain and simple DVD-RW drive for $100 for f*** sake.
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