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"Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hey Nick,
>
> Yeah, I am running a Prescott. Couldn't find a 3.0GHz Northwood for love
> nor money! I had already updated my BIOS to FJ before I installed
> everything. Someone just told me that when Hyperthreading is enabled in
> the BIOS, I still need to change a setting in the Device Manager. He said
> that I need to expand the "Computer" tree and change the "Advanced
> Computer Power Management (ACPI)" to MPS. I'm not sure if this will help
> but I'm going to try it now.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Si
>
>
> --
> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
> "Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:42090f6e$0$4091$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> No. That's not right. Hyperthreading should run OK. I find the CPU
>> runs a few degrees cooler with HT enabled as well. Are you running a
>> Prescott chip by any chance? I saw you'd enquired about the FJ BIOS in
>> an earlier post. Whilst this morning I was running FE, I've now updated
>> to FJ with no problem. Some of the BIOS' earlier than FE were not
>> Prescott compatible for sure. That may be a possibility as well.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> "Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:cuasds$6tb$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>> Hey Nick,
>>>
>>> Many thanks for that very detailed reply. Last night, mainly because I
>>> was out of ideas, I decided to disable Hyperthreading to see if that
>>> would help. I then ran Spysweeper, which usually caused the PC to reboot
>>> after about 2 minutes, and low and behold, it stayed on. I've been
>>> running it all day and it seems fine now (that's tempting fate). Does
>>> this mean I can't use Hyperthreading at all?
>>>
>>> Many thanks for your help and advice.
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> Si
>>>
>>> --
>>> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
>>> "Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:42087e29$0$4091$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>> Hi Si
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all
>>>> the info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time.
>>>>
>>>> Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording
>>>> with Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3).
>>>>
>>>> The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the
>>>> numbers involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a
>>>> problem, but the whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a
>>>> problem when in use.
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet)
>>>>
>>>> PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU
>>>>
>>>> Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB
>>>> PCI Slot 1 - empty
>>>> PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>>>> PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>>>> PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>>>> PCI Slot 5 - empty
>>>>
>>>> Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives:
>>>> IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW
>>>> IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive
>>>> ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives:
>>>> IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>>> Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives:
>>>> Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
>>>> Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
>>>> Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty
>>>>
>>>> Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive
>>>>
>>>> Memory DIMM Slots Used:
>>>> Slot nearest CPU on first bank
>>>> Slot nearest CPU on second bank
>>>>
>>>> Memory Type:
>>>> Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair)
>>>>
>>>> CPU:
>>>> Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT
>>>> PRESCOTT
>>>> CPU FAN:
>>>> Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU
>>>>
>>>> BIOS Revision: FE
>>>>
>>>> BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc...
>>>>
>>>> (You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset
>>>> features and Top Performance menu items)
>>>>
>>>> Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings
>>>> Advanced BIOS Features:
>>>> Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped
>>>> Set; 4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards
>>>> BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO
>>>> First Boot Device: Hard Disk
>>>> Second Boot Device: CDROM
>>>> Third Boot Device: Floppy
>>>> Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled
>>>> Boot Up Num Lock: ON
>>>> Password Check: SETUP
>>>> Interrupt Mode: APIC
>>>> HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason)
>>>> CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED
>>>> Delay for HDD (Secs): 0
>>>> Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED
>>>> Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED
>>>> Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO
>>>> DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC
>>>> Init Display First: AGP
>>>> Advanced Chipset Features:
>>>> Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL
>>>> CAS Latency Time: 2
>>>> Active to Precharge Delay: 6
>>>> DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
>>>> DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2
>>>> Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us
>>>> Delayed Transaction: ENABLED
>>>> AGP Aperture Size: 128MB
>>>> PSB Parking: DISABLED
>>>> Command Per Clock: AUTO
>>>> Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED
>>>> Fast Chip Select: AUTO
>>>> Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED
>>>> Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO
>>>> Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED
>>>> Integrated Peripherals:
>>>> On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED
>>>> On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED
>>>> (the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO)
>>>> from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO
>>>> SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed)
>>>> SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed)
>>>> SATA RAID Function: ENABLED
>>>> USB Controller: ENABLED
>>>> USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED
>>>> USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED
>>>> USB Mouse Support: DISABLED
>>>> Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED
>>>> Serial ATA Function: RAID
>>>> Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED
>>>> GigaRAID Function: ATA
>>>> Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED
>>>> Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED
>>>> Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4
>>>> Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3
>>>> UART Mode Select: NORMAL
>>>> UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF
>>>> Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7
>>>> Parallel Port Mode: SPP
>>>> ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3
>>>> Game Port Address: 201
>>>> Midi Port Address: DISABLED
>>>> Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10
>>>> CIR Port Address: DISABLED
>>>> CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11
>>>> Power Management Setup:
>>>> ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS)
>>>> USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED
>>>> Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING
>>>> Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF
>>>> Everything else: DISABLED
>>>> AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF
>>>> PnP/PCI Configurations:
>>>> Everything set to AUTO
>>>> PC Health Status (pertinent settings only):
>>>> CPU Warning Temperature: 60deg C/140 deg F
>>>> CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED
>>>> Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled
>>>> by board)
>>>> System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled
>>>> by board)
>>>> CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED
>>>> Frequency Voltage Control:
>>>> C.I.A. Function: ENABLED
>>>> C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE
>>>> CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED
>>>> CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100
>>>> AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100
>>>> Memory Frequency for: AUTO
>>>> Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400
>>>> AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100
>>>> DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this
>>>> increase on the packaging)
>>>> AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL
>>>> CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL
>>>> Normal CPU Vcore: (greyed) 1.5250V
>>>> Top Performance
>>>> DISABLED
>>>>
>>>> I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system.
>>>>
>>>> If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v
>>>> overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry,
>>>> but you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of
>>>> over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by
>>>> Corsair on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to
>>>> date), you should achieve stability. There is a proviso though...
>>>> your existing OS and software installation should have been stable to
>>>> start with (I assume it was with your old CPU from what you've
>>>> previously described) AND you're not overclocking anything (I assume
>>>> you're not from what you have said - but in general overclocking terms,
>>>> not particularly specific to the 8KNXP, unless you lock the AGP and PCI
>>>> frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz respectively, every 1MHz increase to the
>>>> CPU's base FSB - normally 100MHz for P4 but multiplied within the CPU
>>>> to give 533 or 800MHz actual speed - will increase the AGP frequency by
>>>> a further 0.66MHz and the PCI bus frequency by a further 0.33 MHz.
>>>> Whilst most modern AGP cards are quite flexible in this respect, not
>>>> all PCI cards are and some might start to fall over causing random
>>>> reboots with a moderate PCI frequency increase to only 37MHz or so.).
>>>> The 8KNXP like many other modern boards has been designed for
>>>> overclocking to some extent, and therefore has the ability to lock AGP
>>>> and PCI frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast you can
>>>> push the CPU and Memory. SATA controllers also suffer from overclocking
>>>> settings and o/c is not recommended if you are using SATA. Personally,
>>>> I've tried overclocking with a degree of success a long time before
>>>> getting this board, and yes, it's a bit of fun to get something for
>>>> nothing and to see how it's done, but with this particular PC, I can't
>>>> afford for it to fall over in the middle of a band's live performance
>>>> at a gig, so stability is paramount, so apart from the memory timings
>>>> which I found in December 2003 on the Net and can't take credit for, I
>>>> haven't made any special provision.
>>>>
>>>> You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different
>>>> slots might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt
>>>> that this will help).
>>>>
>>>> The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should
>>>> always try where possible to use drivers that have been certified
>>>> (signed) by Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft
>>>> have cleverly largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have
>>>> been a lot in the past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of
>>>> the time a faulty 3rd party driver was to blame. That's why the
>>>> message pops up asking you to confirm that you want to use an unsigned
>>>> driver, thereby passing the responsibility if the system fails to you.
>>>> You always have System Restore or the last of the regular backups you
>>>> took ;-/ Graphics card drivers are probably the most common culprits
>>>> in my experience - many graphics card manufacturers - Matrox in
>>>> particular - used to tweak a few settings via software drivers
>>>> (probably still do in a more sophisticated way) to give their cards the
>>>> edge, and although I like Matrox cards a lot, a few years ago (pre-XP)
>>>> they used to give me some interesting moments.
>>>>
>>>> I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
I upgraded to XP SP2 yesterday on my 8KNXP PC. That's made no difference to
the ACPI Multiprocessor PC setting that's present in my Device Manager
anyway. As I say my 3.0 GHz CPU is not a Prescott but it does support HT.
I have several other PCs with Prescott 2.8 GHz and Prescott 3.2GHz installed
and although they tend to run warmer, I've had no issues. 2 of these PC's
are based on Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000-Pro boards (865 chipset) and the other is
based on an Asus P8P800-E-Deluxe board (also 865 chipset). All 3 are set up
as ACPI Multiprocessor PC.
I did have an issue of my own making ages ago on another PC (in fact it's
the one I'm typing this on), which originally ran Windows XP as a Standard
PC rather than ACPI Multiprocessor PC. I'd done it this way because it has
a Pinnacle DV500+ video editing card installed. It was very picky about
IRQ settings with earlier drivers and I wanted to take control of it rather
than it of me LOL. The only way I could do this was to set it up from a
clean install as a 'Standard PC' rather than 'ACPI'. You do this at the
very beginning of a clean install at the point when the text based part of
XP's Setup routine asks you to press F6 for any non-standard disk
controllers - and whilst it doesn't actually bother to mention it on-screen,
you can also press F5 which shortly gives you the option of specifying
Standard or ACPI or other settings. When I changed the CPU to a 3.06GHz HT
model and by which time the DV500 drivers were a little more XP friendly, I
wanted to run HT, and I ended up re-installing XP from scratch. However,
you can run a repair on Windows XP which will essentially replace the main
OS content files without removing your applications or other settings. Many
people use this method when transferring an existing installation on disk to
a new type of board. Basically you run the install routine from CD as you
would if you were installing from scratch. You'd press F5 and/or F6 at the
start of the routine. Let the setup run until it offers you the chance to
repair (this is the first of 2 such offers). Bypass that one and then when
the setup routine checks for existing Windows XP installations and finds
one, this will be your current installation - that's the one you should
repair. It will strip out all the main parts of the OS, copy the correct
files for your new configuration and then all you need to do is wait, enter
the product key details etc... and it should work as you've specified. It's
quite a big thing to take on though, so you should definitely make a Ghost
backup of your main system partition so that you can restore it if it all
goes horribly pear shaped.
Have you got a second hard drive you could run a clean install of XP on? A
little experiment here may confirm whether or not it's an OS problem because
of some legacy driver.
Nick
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