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February 6, 2005 12:33:46 AM

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I just installed the following ram: 1GB Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2Pro. I'm a
bit confused about the timing settings on my Gigabyte 8KNXP Rev 2.0 mobo.
According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is 2-3-3-6
for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry was set to
"SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this something I need
to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to which entry in the
BIOS?

Cheers.

Si

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February 6, 2005 3:43:41 AM

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Si wrote:
> According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is 2-3-3-6
> for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry was set to
> "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this something I need
> to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to which entry in the
> BIOS?

If Corsair states that the chips can run at 2-3-3-6 speed then they
can.It's all up to you to set them at those latencies.
On the BIOS screen press Ctrl+F1 and go into the new directory.You
should have no problem with the options in there.
And when you look at the timings the top one is the first number and so on.
February 6, 2005 3:43:42 AM

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So that means that the 3rd number changes from 8 to 3. Seems a bit of a jump
to me.

Cheers.

Si


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"Glitch" <Glitch_120@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Si wrote:
>> According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is 2-3-3-6
>> for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry was set
>> to "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this something I
>> need to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to which entry in
>> the BIOS?
>
> If Corsair states that the chips can run at 2-3-3-6 speed then they
> can.It's all up to you to set them at those latencies.
> On the BIOS screen press Ctrl+F1 and go into the new directory.You should
> have no problem with the options in there.
> And when you look at the timings the top one is the first number and so
> on.
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February 6, 2005 4:15:50 AM

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Si wrote:
> So that means that the 3rd number changes from 8 to 3. Seems a bit of a jump
> to me.
>

Yes,that is a bit strange.My 8I875Ultra has the numbers in the correct
order.You probably need to switch 8 with the last 3.
February 6, 2005 4:15:51 AM

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OK, many thanks Glitch.

Si


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"Glitch" <Glitch_120@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Si wrote:
>> So that means that the 3rd number changes from 8 to 3. Seems a bit of a
>> jump to me.
>>
>
> Yes,that is a bit strange.My 8I875Ultra has the numbers in the correct
> order.You probably need to switch 8 with the last 3.
February 6, 2005 1:21:52 PM

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"Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> I just installed the following ram: 1GB Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2Pro. I'm a
> bit confused about the timing settings on my Gigabyte 8KNXP Rev 2.0 mobo.
> According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is 2-3-3-6
> for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry was set
> to "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this something I
> need to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to which entry in
> the BIOS?
>
> Cheers.
>
> Si
>
> --
> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
>

Hi Si

It will work for you. As I found you will almost certainly have to adjust
your timings manually.

I have the same board and memory combination. Thinking at the time (over a
year ago) that the best memory around and Gigabyte's flagship model would
sync up out of the box so to speak I installed everything and found that
there were some serious memory errors being caused when memory timings were
set to SPD. I then checked Gigabyte's list of recommended memory
manufacturers and models and found that my expensive Corsair RAM wasn't on
the list. Aaarrghhh!! Lesson: Always check this stuff first AND never
assume anything!

I hunted around a bit on the Net and luckily found someone else who'd had
the same issues and who'd kindly published their ideal manual memory
settings they'd discovered after hours of experimental tweaking. These
worked a treat for me and my system is rock solid stable. Runs two music
apps in the main: Cubase SX3 and the older Cubase VST 5.2 (the reason I
mention these two apps is that if anything's going to fall over for the
slightest reason these are two applications that will notice anything
slightly out of tune and let you know quite impolitely by rebooting). I
also tested extensively with MemTest86

I have to go out in a few minutes, but I will boot my music PC when I return
later today and let you know the BIOS settings I've used. BTW my CPU is
the Pentium 4 3.0e model (not Prescott, but 800MHz nevertheless). Not sure
of the current BIOS revision in my PC, but will check that too for you.
I'll also give you a run-down on the overall spec and other hardware
installed in my system (and in which PCI slot) for reference. It'll take me
longer than I have right now to get the machine out of its current location.
Sorry for any delay.

Please reply via group, my email address is not as this post indicates.
Once bitten by serious spam, I don't intend to go down that path again.

Regards

Nick
February 7, 2005 3:53:58 AM

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Thanks Nick, that would be really helpful. I'm having real problems at the
moment. I also installed a new cpu as well as the memory and now my PC keeps
re-booting after a short time. I am at a total loss as to what to do.

Cheers.

Si


--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cu3e3q$lpq$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> I just installed the following ram: 1GB Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2Pro. I'm
>> a bit confused about the timing settings on my Gigabyte 8KNXP Rev 2.0
>> mobo. According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is
>> 2-3-3-6 for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry
>> was set to "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this
>> something I need to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to
>> which entry in the BIOS?
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Si
>>
>> --
>> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
>>
>
> Hi Si
>
> It will work for you. As I found you will almost certainly have to adjust
> your timings manually.
>
> I have the same board and memory combination. Thinking at the time (over
> a year ago) that the best memory around and Gigabyte's flagship model
> would sync up out of the box so to speak I installed everything and found
> that there were some serious memory errors being caused when memory
> timings were set to SPD. I then checked Gigabyte's list of recommended
> memory manufacturers and models and found that my expensive Corsair RAM
> wasn't on the list. Aaarrghhh!! Lesson: Always check this stuff first
> AND never assume anything!
>
> I hunted around a bit on the Net and luckily found someone else who'd had
> the same issues and who'd kindly published their ideal manual memory
> settings they'd discovered after hours of experimental tweaking. These
> worked a treat for me and my system is rock solid stable. Runs two music
> apps in the main: Cubase SX3 and the older Cubase VST 5.2 (the reason I
> mention these two apps is that if anything's going to fall over for the
> slightest reason these are two applications that will notice anything
> slightly out of tune and let you know quite impolitely by rebooting). I
> also tested extensively with MemTest86
>
> I have to go out in a few minutes, but I will boot my music PC when I
> return later today and let you know the BIOS settings I've used. BTW my
> CPU is the Pentium 4 3.0e model (not Prescott, but 800MHz nevertheless).
> Not sure of the current BIOS revision in my PC, but will check that too
> for you. I'll also give you a run-down on the overall spec and other
> hardware installed in my system (and in which PCI slot) for reference.
> It'll take me longer than I have right now to get the machine out of its
> current location. Sorry for any delay.
>
> Please reply via group, my email address is not as this post indicates.
> Once bitten by serious spam, I don't intend to go down that path again.
>
> Regards
>
> Nick
>
February 7, 2005 2:42:54 PM

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It sounds like memory timing issues. Sorry for the delay. Was out all day
yesterday and didn't have time to give you the info you need. Hope to find
an hour in an hour or so though :-)

"Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cu6e76$dat$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Thanks Nick, that would be really helpful. I'm having real problems at the
> moment. I also installed a new cpu as well as the memory and now my PC
> keeps re-booting after a short time. I am at a total loss as to what to
> do.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Si
>
>
> --
> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
> "Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4205efcd$0$4083$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>
>>
>> "Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:cu3e3q$lpq$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>
>>> I just installed the following ram: 1GB Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2Pro. I'm
>>> a bit confused about the timing settings on my Gigabyte 8KNXP Rev 2.0
>>> mobo. According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is
>>> 2-3-3-6 for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry
>>> was set to "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this
>>> something I need to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to
>>> which entry in the BIOS?
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> Si
>>>
>>> --
>>> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
>>>
>>
>> Hi Si
>>
>> It will work for you. As I found you will almost certainly have to
>> adjust your timings manually.
>>
>> I have the same board and memory combination. Thinking at the time (over
>> a year ago) that the best memory around and Gigabyte's flagship model
>> would sync up out of the box so to speak I installed everything and found
>> that there were some serious memory errors being caused when memory
>> timings were set to SPD. I then checked Gigabyte's list of recommended
>> memory manufacturers and models and found that my expensive Corsair RAM
>> wasn't on the list. Aaarrghhh!! Lesson: Always check this stuff first
>> AND never assume anything!
>>
>> I hunted around a bit on the Net and luckily found someone else who'd had
>> the same issues and who'd kindly published their ideal manual memory
>> settings they'd discovered after hours of experimental tweaking. These
>> worked a treat for me and my system is rock solid stable. Runs two music
>> apps in the main: Cubase SX3 and the older Cubase VST 5.2 (the reason I
>> mention these two apps is that if anything's going to fall over for the
>> slightest reason these are two applications that will notice anything
>> slightly out of tune and let you know quite impolitely by rebooting). I
>> also tested extensively with MemTest86
>>
>> I have to go out in a few minutes, but I will boot my music PC when I
>> return later today and let you know the BIOS settings I've used. BTW my
>> CPU is the Pentium 4 3.0e model (not Prescott, but 800MHz nevertheless).
>> Not sure of the current BIOS revision in my PC, but will check that too
>> for you. I'll also give you a run-down on the overall spec and other
>> hardware installed in my system (and in which PCI slot) for reference.
>> It'll take me longer than I have right now to get the machine out of its
>> current location. Sorry for any delay.
>>
>> Please reply via group, my email address is not as this post indicates.
>> Once bitten by serious spam, I don't intend to go down that path again.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
>
February 7, 2005 11:22:03 PM

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Thanks mate. I tried putting in my old memory but the pc still reboots.

Si


--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It sounds like memory timing issues. Sorry for the delay. Was out all
> day
> yesterday and didn't have time to give you the info you need. Hope to
> find
> an hour in an hour or so though :-)
>
> "Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cu6e76$dat$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> Thanks Nick, that would be really helpful. I'm having real problems at
>> the
>> moment. I also installed a new cpu as well as the memory and now my PC
>> keeps re-booting after a short time. I am at a total loss as to what to
>> do.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Si
>>
>>
>> --
>> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
>> "Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4205efcd$0$4083$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:cu3e3q$lpq$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>>
>>>> I just installed the following ram: 1GB Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2Pro.
>>>> I'm
>>>> a bit confused about the timing settings on my Gigabyte 8KNXP Rev 2.0
>>>> mobo. According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is
>>>> 2-3-3-6 for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing
>>>> entry
>>>> was set to "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this
>>>> something I need to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to
>>>> which entry in the BIOS?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>> Si
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Si
>>>
>>> It will work for you. As I found you will almost certainly have to
>>> adjust your timings manually.
>>>
>>> I have the same board and memory combination. Thinking at the time
>>> (over
>>> a year ago) that the best memory around and Gigabyte's flagship model
>>> would sync up out of the box so to speak I installed everything and
>>> found
>>> that there were some serious memory errors being caused when memory
>>> timings were set to SPD. I then checked Gigabyte's list of recommended
>>> memory manufacturers and models and found that my expensive Corsair RAM
>>> wasn't on the list. Aaarrghhh!! Lesson: Always check this stuff first
>>> AND never assume anything!
>>>
>>> I hunted around a bit on the Net and luckily found someone else who'd
>>> had
>>> the same issues and who'd kindly published their ideal manual memory
>>> settings they'd discovered after hours of experimental tweaking. These
>>> worked a treat for me and my system is rock solid stable. Runs two
>>> music
>>> apps in the main: Cubase SX3 and the older Cubase VST 5.2 (the reason I
>>> mention these two apps is that if anything's going to fall over for the
>>> slightest reason these are two applications that will notice anything
>>> slightly out of tune and let you know quite impolitely by rebooting). I
>>> also tested extensively with MemTest86
>>>
>>> I have to go out in a few minutes, but I will boot my music PC when I
>>> return later today and let you know the BIOS settings I've used. BTW
>>> my
>>> CPU is the Pentium 4 3.0e model (not Prescott, but 800MHz nevertheless).
>>> Not sure of the current BIOS revision in my PC, but will check that too
>>> for you. I'll also give you a run-down on the overall spec and other
>>> hardware installed in my system (and in which PCI slot) for reference.
>>> It'll take me longer than I have right now to get the machine out of its
>>> current location. Sorry for any delay.
>>>
>>> Please reply via group, my email address is not as this post indicates.
>>> Once bitten by serious spam, I don't intend to go down that path again.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
February 8, 2005 11:53:47 AM

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Hi Si

Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all the
info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time.

Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording with
Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3).

The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the numbers
involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a problem, but the
whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a problem when in use.

Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet)

PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU

Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB
PCI Slot 1 - empty
PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
PCI Slot 5 - empty

Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives:
IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW
IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive
ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives:
IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives:
Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty

Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive

Memory DIMM Slots Used:
Slot nearest CPU on first bank
Slot nearest CPU on second bank

Memory Type:
Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair)

CPU:
Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT
PRESCOTT
CPU FAN:
Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU

BIOS Revision: FE

BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc...

(You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset features and
Top Performance menu items)

Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings
Advanced BIOS Features:
Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped Set;
4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards
BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO
First Boot Device: Hard Disk
Second Boot Device: CDROM
Third Boot Device: Floppy
Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled
Boot Up Num Lock: ON
Password Check: SETUP
Interrupt Mode: APIC
HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason)
CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED
Delay for HDD (Secs): 0
Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED
Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED
Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO
DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC
Init Display First: AGP
Advanced Chipset Features:
Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL
CAS Latency Time: 2
Active to Precharge Delay: 6
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2
Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us
Delayed Transaction: ENABLED
AGP Aperture Size: 128MB
PSB Parking: DISABLED
Command Per Clock: AUTO
Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED
Fast Chip Select: AUTO
Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED
Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO
Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED
Integrated Peripherals:
On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED
On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED
(the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO)
from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO
SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed)
SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed)
SATA RAID Function: ENABLED
USB Controller: ENABLED
USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED
USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED
USB Mouse Support: DISABLED
Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED
Serial ATA Function: RAID
Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED
GigaRAID Function: ATA
Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED
Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED
Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4
Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3
UART Mode Select: NORMAL
UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF
Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7
Parallel Port Mode: SPP
ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3
Game Port Address: 201
Midi Port Address: DISABLED
Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10
CIR Port Address: DISABLED
CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11
Power Management Setup:
ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS)
USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED
Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING
Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF
Everything else: DISABLED
AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF
PnP/PCI Configurations:
Everything set to AUTO
PC Health Status (pertinent settings only):
CPU Warning Temperature: 60deg C/140 deg F
CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED
Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by
board)
System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by
board)
CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED
Frequency Voltage Control:
C.I.A. Function: ENABLED
C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE
CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED
CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100
AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100
Memory Frequency for: AUTO
Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400
AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100
DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this
increase on the packaging)
AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL
CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL
Normal CPU Vcore: (greyed) 1.5250V
Top Performance
DISABLED

I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system.

If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v
overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry, but
you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of
over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by Corsair
on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to date), you should
achieve stability. There is a proviso though... your existing OS and
software installation should have been stable to start with (I assume it was
with your old CPU from what you've previously described) AND you're not
overclocking anything (I assume you're not from what you have said - but in
general overclocking terms, not particularly specific to the 8KNXP, unless
you lock the AGP and PCI frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz respectively, every
1MHz increase to the CPU's base FSB - normally 100MHz for P4 but multiplied
within the CPU to give 533 or 800MHz actual speed - will increase the AGP
frequency by a further 0.66MHz and the PCI bus frequency by a further 0.33
MHz. Whilst most modern AGP cards are quite flexible in this respect, not
all PCI cards are and some might start to fall over causing random reboots
with a moderate PCI frequency increase to only 37MHz or so.). The 8KNXP
like many other modern boards has been designed for overclocking to some
extent, and therefore has the ability to lock AGP and PCI frequencies to
66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast you can push the CPU and Memory.
SATA controllers also suffer from overclocking settings and o/c is not
recommended if you are using SATA. Personally, I've tried overclocking with
a degree of success a long time before getting this board, and yes, it's a
bit of fun to get something for nothing and to see how it's done, but with
this particular PC, I can't afford for it to fall over in the middle of a
band's live performance at a gig, so stability is paramount, so apart from
the memory timings which I found in December 2003 on the Net and can't take
credit for, I haven't made any special provision.

You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different slots
might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt that this
will help).

The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should always
try where possible to use drivers that have been certified (signed) by
Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft have cleverly
largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have been a lot in the
past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of the time a faulty 3rd
party driver was to blame. That's why the message pops up asking you to
confirm that you want to use an unsigned driver, thereby passing the
responsibility if the system fails to you. You always have System Restore
or the last of the regular backups you took ;-/ Graphics card drivers are
probably the most common culprits in my experience - many graphics card
manufacturers - Matrox in particular - used to tweak a few settings via
software drivers (probably still do in a more sophisticated way) to give
their cards the edge, and although I like Matrox cards a lot, a few years
ago (pre-XP) they used to give me some interesting moments.

I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your problem.

Regards

Nick
February 8, 2005 8:21:01 PM

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Hey Nick,

Many thanks for that very detailed reply. Last night, mainly because I was
out of ideas, I decided to disable Hyperthreading to see if that would help.
I then ran Spysweeper, which usually caused the PC to reboot after about 2
minutes, and low and behold, it stayed on. I've been running it all day and
it seems fine now (that's tempting fate). Does this mean I can't use
Hyperthreading at all?

Many thanks for your help and advice.

Cheers.

Si

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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42087e29$0$4091$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> Hi Si
>
> Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all
> the info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time.
>
> Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording with
> Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3).
>
> The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the
> numbers involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a problem,
> but the whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a problem when
> in use.
>
> Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet)
>
> PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU
>
> Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB
> PCI Slot 1 - empty
> PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
> PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
> PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
> PCI Slot 5 - empty
>
> Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives:
> IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
> IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
> IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW
> IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive
> ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives:
> IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
> IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
> IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
> IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
> Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives:
> Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
> Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
> Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty
>
> Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive
>
> Memory DIMM Slots Used:
> Slot nearest CPU on first bank
> Slot nearest CPU on second bank
>
> Memory Type:
> Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair)
>
> CPU:
> Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT
> PRESCOTT
> CPU FAN:
> Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU
>
> BIOS Revision: FE
>
> BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc...
>
> (You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset features
> and Top Performance menu items)
>
> Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings
> Advanced BIOS Features:
> Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped Set;
> 4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards
> BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO
> First Boot Device: Hard Disk
> Second Boot Device: CDROM
> Third Boot Device: Floppy
> Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled
> Boot Up Num Lock: ON
> Password Check: SETUP
> Interrupt Mode: APIC
> HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason)
> CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED
> Delay for HDD (Secs): 0
> Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED
> Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED
> Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO
> DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC
> Init Display First: AGP
> Advanced Chipset Features:
> Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL
> CAS Latency Time: 2
> Active to Precharge Delay: 6
> DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
> DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2
> Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us
> Delayed Transaction: ENABLED
> AGP Aperture Size: 128MB
> PSB Parking: DISABLED
> Command Per Clock: AUTO
> Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED
> Fast Chip Select: AUTO
> Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED
> Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO
> Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED
> Integrated Peripherals:
> On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED
> On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED
> (the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO)
> from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO
> SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed)
> SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed)
> SATA RAID Function: ENABLED
> USB Controller: ENABLED
> USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED
> USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED
> USB Mouse Support: DISABLED
> Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED
> Serial ATA Function: RAID
> Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED
> GigaRAID Function: ATA
> Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED
> Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED
> Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4
> Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3
> UART Mode Select: NORMAL
> UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF
> Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7
> Parallel Port Mode: SPP
> ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3
> Game Port Address: 201
> Midi Port Address: DISABLED
> Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10
> CIR Port Address: DISABLED
> CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11
> Power Management Setup:
> ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS)
> USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED
> Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING
> Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF
> Everything else: DISABLED
> AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF
> PnP/PCI Configurations:
> Everything set to AUTO
> PC Health Status (pertinent settings only):
> CPU Warning Temperature: 60deg C/140 deg F
> CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED
> Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by
> board)
> System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by
> board)
> CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED
> Frequency Voltage Control:
> C.I.A. Function: ENABLED
> C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE
> CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED
> CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100
> AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100
> Memory Frequency for: AUTO
> Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400
> AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100
> DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this
> increase on the packaging)
> AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL
> CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL
> Normal CPU Vcore: (greyed) 1.5250V
> Top Performance
> DISABLED
>
> I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system.
>
> If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v
> overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry, but
> you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of
> over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by
> Corsair on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to date),
> you should achieve stability. There is a proviso though... your existing
> OS and software installation should have been stable to start with (I
> assume it was with your old CPU from what you've previously described) AND
> you're not overclocking anything (I assume you're not from what you have
> said - but in general overclocking terms, not particularly specific to the
> 8KNXP, unless you lock the AGP and PCI frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz
> respectively, every 1MHz increase to the CPU's base FSB - normally 100MHz
> for P4 but multiplied within the CPU to give 533 or 800MHz actual speed -
> will increase the AGP frequency by a further 0.66MHz and the PCI bus
> frequency by a further 0.33 MHz. Whilst most modern AGP cards are quite
> flexible in this respect, not all PCI cards are and some might start to
> fall over causing random reboots with a moderate PCI frequency increase to
> only 37MHz or so.). The 8KNXP like many other modern boards has been
> designed for overclocking to some extent, and therefore has the ability to
> lock AGP and PCI frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast
> you can push the CPU and Memory. SATA controllers also suffer from
> overclocking settings and o/c is not recommended if you are using SATA.
> Personally, I've tried overclocking with a degree of success a long time
> before getting this board, and yes, it's a bit of fun to get something for
> nothing and to see how it's done, but with this particular PC, I can't
> afford for it to fall over in the middle of a band's live performance at a
> gig, so stability is paramount, so apart from the memory timings which I
> found in December 2003 on the Net and can't take credit for, I haven't
> made any special provision.
>
> You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different slots
> might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt that this
> will help).
>
> The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should always
> try where possible to use drivers that have been certified (signed) by
> Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft have cleverly
> largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have been a lot in the
> past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of the time a faulty 3rd
> party driver was to blame. That's why the message pops up asking you to
> confirm that you want to use an unsigned driver, thereby passing the
> responsibility if the system fails to you. You always have System Restore
> or the last of the regular backups you took ;-/ Graphics card drivers are
> probably the most common culprits in my experience - many graphics card
> manufacturers - Matrox in particular - used to tweak a few settings via
> software drivers (probably still do in a more sophisticated way) to give
> their cards the edge, and although I like Matrox cards a lot, a few years
> ago (pre-XP) they used to give me some interesting moments.
>
> I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your problem.
>
> Regards
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
February 8, 2005 10:13:31 PM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.gigabyte (More info?)

No. That's not right. Hyperthreading should run OK. I find the CPU runs a
few degrees cooler with HT enabled as well. Are you running a Prescott
chip by any chance? I saw you'd enquired about the FJ BIOS in an earlier
post. Whilst this morning I was running FE, I've now updated to FJ with no
problem. Some of the BIOS' earlier than FE were not Prescott compatible for
sure. That may be a possibility as well.

Nick

"Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cuasds$6tb$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Hey Nick,
>
> Many thanks for that very detailed reply. Last night, mainly because I
> was out of ideas, I decided to disable Hyperthreading to see if that would
> help. I then ran Spysweeper, which usually caused the PC to reboot after
> about 2 minutes, and low and behold, it stayed on. I've been running it
> all day and it seems fine now (that's tempting fate). Does this mean I
> can't use Hyperthreading at all?
>
> Many thanks for your help and advice.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Si
>
> --
> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
> "Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:42087e29$0$4091$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> Hi Si
>>
>> Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all
>> the info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time.
>>
>> Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording with
>> Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3).
>>
>> The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the
>> numbers involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a problem,
>> but the whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a problem when
>> in use.
>>
>> Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet)
>>
>> PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU
>>
>> Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB
>> PCI Slot 1 - empty
>> PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>> PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>> PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>> PCI Slot 5 - empty
>>
>> Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives:
>> IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>> IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>> IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW
>> IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive
>> ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives:
>> IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
>> IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
>> IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>> IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>> Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives:
>> Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
>> Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
>> Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty
>>
>> Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive
>>
>> Memory DIMM Slots Used:
>> Slot nearest CPU on first bank
>> Slot nearest CPU on second bank
>>
>> Memory Type:
>> Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair)
>>
>> CPU:
>> Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT
>> PRESCOTT
>> CPU FAN:
>> Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU
>>
>> BIOS Revision: FE
>>
>> BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc...
>>
>> (You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset features
>> and Top Performance menu items)
>>
>> Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings
>> Advanced BIOS Features:
>> Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped
>> Set; 4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards
>> BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO
>> First Boot Device: Hard Disk
>> Second Boot Device: CDROM
>> Third Boot Device: Floppy
>> Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled
>> Boot Up Num Lock: ON
>> Password Check: SETUP
>> Interrupt Mode: APIC
>> HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason)
>> CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED
>> Delay for HDD (Secs): 0
>> Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED
>> Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED
>> Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO
>> DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC
>> Init Display First: AGP
>> Advanced Chipset Features:
>> Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL
>> CAS Latency Time: 2
>> Active to Precharge Delay: 6
>> DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
>> DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2
>> Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us
>> Delayed Transaction: ENABLED
>> AGP Aperture Size: 128MB
>> PSB Parking: DISABLED
>> Command Per Clock: AUTO
>> Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED
>> Fast Chip Select: AUTO
>> Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED
>> Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO
>> Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED
>> Integrated Peripherals:
>> On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED
>> On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED
>> (the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO)
>> from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO
>> SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed)
>> SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed)
>> SATA RAID Function: ENABLED
>> USB Controller: ENABLED
>> USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED
>> USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED
>> USB Mouse Support: DISABLED
>> Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED
>> Serial ATA Function: RAID
>> Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED
>> GigaRAID Function: ATA
>> Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED
>> Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED
>> Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4
>> Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3
>> UART Mode Select: NORMAL
>> UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF
>> Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7
>> Parallel Port Mode: SPP
>> ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3
>> Game Port Address: 201
>> Midi Port Address: DISABLED
>> Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10
>> CIR Port Address: DISABLED
>> CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11
>> Power Management Setup:
>> ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS)
>> USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED
>> Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING
>> Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF
>> Everything else: DISABLED
>> AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF
>> PnP/PCI Configurations:
>> Everything set to AUTO
>> PC Health Status (pertinent settings only):
>> CPU Warning Temperature: 60deg C/140 deg F
>> CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED
>> Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by
>> board)
>> System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by
>> board)
>> CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED
>> Frequency Voltage Control:
>> C.I.A. Function: ENABLED
>> C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE
>> CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED
>> CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100
>> AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100
>> Memory Frequency for: AUTO
>> Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400
>> AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100
>> DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this
>> increase on the packaging)
>> AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL
>> CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL
>> Normal CPU Vcore: (greyed) 1.5250V
>> Top Performance
>> DISABLED
>>
>> I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system.
>>
>> If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v
>> overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry,
>> but you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of
>> over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by
>> Corsair on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to date),
>> you should achieve stability. There is a proviso though... your
>> existing OS and software installation should have been stable to start
>> with (I assume it was with your old CPU from what you've previously
>> described) AND you're not overclocking anything (I assume you're not from
>> what you have said - but in general overclocking terms, not particularly
>> specific to the 8KNXP, unless you lock the AGP and PCI frequencies to
>> 66MHz and 33MHz respectively, every 1MHz increase to the CPU's base FSB -
>> normally 100MHz for P4 but multiplied within the CPU to give 533 or
>> 800MHz actual speed - will increase the AGP frequency by a further
>> 0.66MHz and the PCI bus frequency by a further 0.33 MHz. Whilst most
>> modern AGP cards are quite flexible in this respect, not all PCI cards
>> are and some might start to fall over causing random reboots with a
>> moderate PCI frequency increase to only 37MHz or so.). The 8KNXP like
>> many other modern boards has been designed for overclocking to some
>> extent, and therefore has the ability to lock AGP and PCI frequencies to
>> 66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast you can push the CPU and Memory.
>> SATA controllers also suffer from overclocking settings and o/c is not
>> recommended if you are using SATA. Personally, I've tried overclocking
>> with a degree of success a long time before getting this board, and yes,
>> it's a bit of fun to get something for nothing and to see how it's done,
>> but with this particular PC, I can't afford for it to fall over in the
>> middle of a band's live performance at a gig, so stability is paramount,
>> so apart from the memory timings which I found in December 2003 on the
>> Net and can't take credit for, I haven't made any special provision.
>>
>> You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different slots
>> might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt that this
>> will help).
>>
>> The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should
>> always try where possible to use drivers that have been certified
>> (signed) by Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft
>> have cleverly largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have
>> been a lot in the past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of the
>> time a faulty 3rd party driver was to blame. That's why the message pops
>> up asking you to confirm that you want to use an unsigned driver, thereby
>> passing the responsibility if the system fails to you. You always have
>> System Restore or the last of the regular backups you took ;-/ Graphics
>> card drivers are probably the most common culprits in my experience -
>> many graphics card manufacturers - Matrox in particular - used to tweak a
>> few settings via software drivers (probably still do in a more
>> sophisticated way) to give their cards the edge, and although I like
>> Matrox cards a lot, a few years ago (pre-XP) they used to give me some
>> interesting moments.
>>
>> I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your
>> problem.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
February 8, 2005 11:33:03 PM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.gigabyte (More info?)

Hey Nick,

Yeah, I am running a Prescott. Couldn't find a 3.0GHz Northwood for love nor
money! I had already updated my BIOS to FJ before I installed everything.
Someone just told me that when Hyperthreading is enabled in the BIOS, I
still need to change a setting in the Device Manager. He said that I need to
expand the "Computer" tree and change the "Advanced Computer Power
Management (ACPI)" to MPS. I'm not sure if this will help but I'm going to
try it now.

Cheers.

Si


--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42090f6e$0$4091$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> No. That's not right. Hyperthreading should run OK. I find the CPU runs
> a few degrees cooler with HT enabled as well. Are you running a Prescott
> chip by any chance? I saw you'd enquired about the FJ BIOS in an earlier
> post. Whilst this morning I was running FE, I've now updated to FJ with
> no problem. Some of the BIOS' earlier than FE were not Prescott
> compatible for sure. That may be a possibility as well.
>
> Nick
>
> "Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cuasds$6tb$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> Hey Nick,
>>
>> Many thanks for that very detailed reply. Last night, mainly because I
>> was out of ideas, I decided to disable Hyperthreading to see if that
>> would help. I then ran Spysweeper, which usually caused the PC to reboot
>> after about 2 minutes, and low and behold, it stayed on. I've been
>> running it all day and it seems fine now (that's tempting fate). Does
>> this mean I can't use Hyperthreading at all?
>>
>> Many thanks for your help and advice.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Si
>>
>> --
>> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
>> "Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:42087e29$0$4091$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>> Hi Si
>>>
>>> Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all
>>> the info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time.
>>>
>>> Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording
>>> with Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3).
>>>
>>> The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the
>>> numbers involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a problem,
>>> but the whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a problem
>>> when in use.
>>>
>>> Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet)
>>>
>>> PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU
>>>
>>> Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB
>>> PCI Slot 1 - empty
>>> PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>>> PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>>> PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>>> PCI Slot 5 - empty
>>>
>>> Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives:
>>> IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>> IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>> IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW
>>> IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive
>>> ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives:
>>> IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
>>> IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
>>> IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>> IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>> Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives:
>>> Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
>>> Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
>>> Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty
>>>
>>> Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive
>>>
>>> Memory DIMM Slots Used:
>>> Slot nearest CPU on first bank
>>> Slot nearest CPU on second bank
>>>
>>> Memory Type:
>>> Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair)
>>>
>>> CPU:
>>> Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT
>>> PRESCOTT
>>> CPU FAN:
>>> Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU
>>>
>>> BIOS Revision: FE
>>>
>>> BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc...
>>>
>>> (You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset features
>>> and Top Performance menu items)
>>>
>>> Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings
>>> Advanced BIOS Features:
>>> Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped
>>> Set; 4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards
>>> BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO
>>> First Boot Device: Hard Disk
>>> Second Boot Device: CDROM
>>> Third Boot Device: Floppy
>>> Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled
>>> Boot Up Num Lock: ON
>>> Password Check: SETUP
>>> Interrupt Mode: APIC
>>> HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason)
>>> CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED
>>> Delay for HDD (Secs): 0
>>> Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED
>>> Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED
>>> Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO
>>> DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC
>>> Init Display First: AGP
>>> Advanced Chipset Features:
>>> Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL
>>> CAS Latency Time: 2
>>> Active to Precharge Delay: 6
>>> DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
>>> DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2
>>> Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us
>>> Delayed Transaction: ENABLED
>>> AGP Aperture Size: 128MB
>>> PSB Parking: DISABLED
>>> Command Per Clock: AUTO
>>> Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED
>>> Fast Chip Select: AUTO
>>> Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED
>>> Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO
>>> Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED
>>> Integrated Peripherals:
>>> On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED
>>> On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED
>>> (the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO)
>>> from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO
>>> SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed)
>>> SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed)
>>> SATA RAID Function: ENABLED
>>> USB Controller: ENABLED
>>> USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED
>>> USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED
>>> USB Mouse Support: DISABLED
>>> Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED
>>> Serial ATA Function: RAID
>>> Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED
>>> GigaRAID Function: ATA
>>> Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED
>>> Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED
>>> Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4
>>> Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3
>>> UART Mode Select: NORMAL
>>> UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF
>>> Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7
>>> Parallel Port Mode: SPP
>>> ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3
>>> Game Port Address: 201
>>> Midi Port Address: DISABLED
>>> Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10
>>> CIR Port Address: DISABLED
>>> CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11
>>> Power Management Setup:
>>> ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS)
>>> USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED
>>> Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING
>>> Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF
>>> Everything else: DISABLED
>>> AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF
>>> PnP/PCI Configurations:
>>> Everything set to AUTO
>>> PC Health Status (pertinent settings only):
>>> CPU Warning Temperature: 60deg C/140 deg F
>>> CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED
>>> Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by
>>> board)
>>> System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled
>>> by board)
>>> CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED
>>> Frequency Voltage Control:
>>> C.I.A. Function: ENABLED
>>> C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE
>>> CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED
>>> CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100
>>> AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100
>>> Memory Frequency for: AUTO
>>> Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400
>>> AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100
>>> DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this
>>> increase on the packaging)
>>> AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL
>>> CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL
>>> Normal CPU Vcore: (greyed) 1.5250V
>>> Top Performance
>>> DISABLED
>>>
>>> I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system.
>>>
>>> If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v
>>> overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry,
>>> but you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of
>>> over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by
>>> Corsair on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to date),
>>> you should achieve stability. There is a proviso though... your
>>> existing OS and software installation should have been stable to start
>>> with (I assume it was with your old CPU from what you've previously
>>> described) AND you're not overclocking anything (I assume you're not
>>> from what you have said - but in general overclocking terms, not
>>> particularly specific to the 8KNXP, unless you lock the AGP and PCI
>>> frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz respectively, every 1MHz increase to the
>>> CPU's base FSB - normally 100MHz for P4 but multiplied within the CPU to
>>> give 533 or 800MHz actual speed - will increase the AGP frequency by a
>>> further 0.66MHz and the PCI bus frequency by a further 0.33 MHz. Whilst
>>> most modern AGP cards are quite flexible in this respect, not all PCI
>>> cards are and some might start to fall over causing random reboots with
>>> a moderate PCI frequency increase to only 37MHz or so.). The 8KNXP like
>>> many other modern boards has been designed for overclocking to some
>>> extent, and therefore has the ability to lock AGP and PCI frequencies to
>>> 66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast you can push the CPU and
>>> Memory. SATA controllers also suffer from overclocking settings and o/c
>>> is not recommended if you are using SATA. Personally, I've tried
>>> overclocking with a degree of success a long time before getting this
>>> board, and yes, it's a bit of fun to get something for nothing and to
>>> see how it's done, but with this particular PC, I can't afford for it to
>>> fall over in the middle of a band's live performance at a gig, so
>>> stability is paramount, so apart from the memory timings which I found
>>> in December 2003 on the Net and can't take credit for, I haven't made
>>> any special provision.
>>>
>>> You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different slots
>>> might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt that this
>>> will help).
>>>
>>> The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should
>>> always try where possible to use drivers that have been certified
>>> (signed) by Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft
>>> have cleverly largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have
>>> been a lot in the past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of the
>>> time a faulty 3rd party driver was to blame. That's why the message
>>> pops up asking you to confirm that you want to use an unsigned driver,
>>> thereby passing the responsibility if the system fails to you. You
>>> always have System Restore or the last of the regular backups you took
>>> ;-/ Graphics card drivers are probably the most common culprits in my
>>> experience - many graphics card manufacturers - Matrox in particular -
>>> used to tweak a few settings via software drivers (probably still do in
>>> a more sophisticated way) to give their cards the edge, and although I
>>> like Matrox cards a lot, a few years ago (pre-XP) they used to give me
>>> some interesting moments.
>>>
>>> I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
February 8, 2005 11:51:56 PM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.gigabyte (More info?)

Well that was a waste of time. I didn't see any option to change it. Oh well
back to disabling it again.....lol.

Si


--
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
"Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cub7lu$gou$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Hey Nick,
>
> Yeah, I am running a Prescott. Couldn't find a 3.0GHz Northwood for love
> nor money! I had already updated my BIOS to FJ before I installed
> everything. Someone just told me that when Hyperthreading is enabled in
> the BIOS, I still need to change a setting in the Device Manager. He said
> that I need to expand the "Computer" tree and change the "Advanced
> Computer Power Management (ACPI)" to MPS. I'm not sure if this will help
> but I'm going to try it now.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Si
>
>
> --
> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
> "Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:42090f6e$0$4091$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> No. That's not right. Hyperthreading should run OK. I find the CPU
>> runs a few degrees cooler with HT enabled as well. Are you running a
>> Prescott chip by any chance? I saw you'd enquired about the FJ BIOS in
>> an earlier post. Whilst this morning I was running FE, I've now updated
>> to FJ with no problem. Some of the BIOS' earlier than FE were not
>> Prescott compatible for sure. That may be a possibility as well.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> "Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:cuasds$6tb$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>> Hey Nick,
>>>
>>> Many thanks for that very detailed reply. Last night, mainly because I
>>> was out of ideas, I decided to disable Hyperthreading to see if that
>>> would help. I then ran Spysweeper, which usually caused the PC to reboot
>>> after about 2 minutes, and low and behold, it stayed on. I've been
>>> running it all day and it seems fine now (that's tempting fate). Does
>>> this mean I can't use Hyperthreading at all?
>>>
>>> Many thanks for your help and advice.
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> Si
>>>
>>> --
>>> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
>>> "Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:42087e29$0$4091$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>> Hi Si
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all
>>>> the info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time.
>>>>
>>>> Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording
>>>> with Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3).
>>>>
>>>> The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the
>>>> numbers involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a
>>>> problem, but the whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a
>>>> problem when in use.
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet)
>>>>
>>>> PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU
>>>>
>>>> Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB
>>>> PCI Slot 1 - empty
>>>> PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>>>> PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>>>> PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>>>> PCI Slot 5 - empty
>>>>
>>>> Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives:
>>>> IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW
>>>> IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive
>>>> ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives:
>>>> IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>>> Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives:
>>>> Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
>>>> Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
>>>> Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty
>>>>
>>>> Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive
>>>>
>>>> Memory DIMM Slots Used:
>>>> Slot nearest CPU on first bank
>>>> Slot nearest CPU on second bank
>>>>
>>>> Memory Type:
>>>> Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair)
>>>>
>>>> CPU:
>>>> Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT
>>>> PRESCOTT
>>>> CPU FAN:
>>>> Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU
>>>>
>>>> BIOS Revision: FE
>>>>
>>>> BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc...
>>>>
>>>> (You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset
>>>> features and Top Performance menu items)
>>>>
>>>> Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings
>>>> Advanced BIOS Features:
>>>> Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped
>>>> Set; 4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards
>>>> BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO
>>>> First Boot Device: Hard Disk
>>>> Second Boot Device: CDROM
>>>> Third Boot Device: Floppy
>>>> Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled
>>>> Boot Up Num Lock: ON
>>>> Password Check: SETUP
>>>> Interrupt Mode: APIC
>>>> HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason)
>>>> CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED
>>>> Delay for HDD (Secs): 0
>>>> Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED
>>>> Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED
>>>> Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO
>>>> DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC
>>>> Init Display First: AGP
>>>> Advanced Chipset Features:
>>>> Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL
>>>> CAS Latency Time: 2
>>>> Active to Precharge Delay: 6
>>>> DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
>>>> DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2
>>>> Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us
>>>> Delayed Transaction: ENABLED
>>>> AGP Aperture Size: 128MB
>>>> PSB Parking: DISABLED
>>>> Command Per Clock: AUTO
>>>> Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED
>>>> Fast Chip Select: AUTO
>>>> Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED
>>>> Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO
>>>> Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED
>>>> Integrated Peripherals:
>>>> On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED
>>>> On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED
>>>> (the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO)
>>>> from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO
>>>> SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed)
>>>> SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed)
>>>> SATA RAID Function: ENABLED
>>>> USB Controller: ENABLED
>>>> USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED
>>>> USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED
>>>> USB Mouse Support: DISABLED
>>>> Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED
>>>> Serial ATA Function: RAID
>>>> Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED
>>>> GigaRAID Function: ATA
>>>> Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED
>>>> Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED
>>>> Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4
>>>> Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3
>>>> UART Mode Select: NORMAL
>>>> UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF
>>>> Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7
>>>> Parallel Port Mode: SPP
>>>> ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3
>>>> Game Port Address: 201
>>>> Midi Port Address: DISABLED
>>>> Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10
>>>> CIR Port Address: DISABLED
>>>> CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11
>>>> Power Management Setup:
>>>> ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS)
>>>> USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED
>>>> Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING
>>>> Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF
>>>> Everything else: DISABLED
>>>> AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF
>>>> PnP/PCI Configurations:
>>>> Everything set to AUTO
>>>> PC Health Status (pertinent settings only):
>>>> CPU Warning Temperature: 60deg C/140 deg F
>>>> CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED
>>>> Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled
>>>> by board)
>>>> System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled
>>>> by board)
>>>> CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED
>>>> Frequency Voltage Control:
>>>> C.I.A. Function: ENABLED
>>>> C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE
>>>> CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED
>>>> CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100
>>>> AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100
>>>> Memory Frequency for: AUTO
>>>> Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400
>>>> AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100
>>>> DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this
>>>> increase on the packaging)
>>>> AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL
>>>> CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL
>>>> Normal CPU Vcore: (greyed) 1.5250V
>>>> Top Performance
>>>> DISABLED
>>>>
>>>> I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system.
>>>>
>>>> If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v
>>>> overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry,
>>>> but you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of
>>>> over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by
>>>> Corsair on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to
>>>> date), you should achieve stability. There is a proviso though...
>>>> your existing OS and software installation should have been stable to
>>>> start with (I assume it was with your old CPU from what you've
>>>> previously described) AND you're not overclocking anything (I assume
>>>> you're not from what you have said - but in general overclocking terms,
>>>> not particularly specific to the 8KNXP, unless you lock the AGP and PCI
>>>> frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz respectively, every 1MHz increase to the
>>>> CPU's base FSB - normally 100MHz for P4 but multiplied within the CPU
>>>> to give 533 or 800MHz actual speed - will increase the AGP frequency by
>>>> a further 0.66MHz and the PCI bus frequency by a further 0.33 MHz.
>>>> Whilst most modern AGP cards are quite flexible in this respect, not
>>>> all PCI cards are and some might start to fall over causing random
>>>> reboots with a moderate PCI frequency increase to only 37MHz or so.).
>>>> The 8KNXP like many other modern boards has been designed for
>>>> overclocking to some extent, and therefore has the ability to lock AGP
>>>> and PCI frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast you can
>>>> push the CPU and Memory. SATA controllers also suffer from overclocking
>>>> settings and o/c is not recommended if you are using SATA. Personally,
>>>> I've tried overclocking with a degree of success a long time before
>>>> getting this board, and yes, it's a bit of fun to get something for
>>>> nothing and to see how it's done, but with this particular PC, I can't
>>>> afford for it to fall over in the middle of a band's live performance
>>>> at a gig, so stability is paramount, so apart from the memory timings
>>>> which I found in December 2003 on the Net and can't take credit for, I
>>>> haven't made any special provision.
>>>>
>>>> You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different
>>>> slots might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt
>>>> that this will help).
>>>>
>>>> The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should
>>>> always try where possible to use drivers that have been certified
>>>> (signed) by Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft
>>>> have cleverly largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have
>>>> been a lot in the past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of
>>>> the time a faulty 3rd party driver was to blame. That's why the
>>>> message pops up asking you to confirm that you want to use an unsigned
>>>> driver, thereby passing the responsibility if the system fails to you.
>>>> You always have System Restore or the last of the regular backups you
>>>> took ;-/ Graphics card drivers are probably the most common culprits
>>>> in my experience - many graphics card manufacturers - Matrox in
>>>> particular - used to tweak a few settings via software drivers
>>>> (probably still do in a more sophisticated way) to give their cards the
>>>> edge, and although I like Matrox cards a lot, a few years ago (pre-XP)
>>>> they used to give me some interesting moments.
>>>>
>>>> I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
February 9, 2005 12:43:26 PM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.gigabyte (More info?)

"Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cub7lu$gou$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Hey Nick,
>
> Yeah, I am running a Prescott. Couldn't find a 3.0GHz Northwood for love
> nor money! I had already updated my BIOS to FJ before I installed
> everything. Someone just told me that when Hyperthreading is enabled in
> the BIOS, I still need to change a setting in the Device Manager. He said
> that I need to expand the "Computer" tree and change the "Advanced
> Computer Power Management (ACPI)" to MPS. I'm not sure if this will help
> but I'm going to try it now.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Si
>
>
> --
> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
> "Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:42090f6e$0$4091$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> No. That's not right. Hyperthreading should run OK. I find the CPU
>> runs a few degrees cooler with HT enabled as well. Are you running a
>> Prescott chip by any chance? I saw you'd enquired about the FJ BIOS in
>> an earlier post. Whilst this morning I was running FE, I've now updated
>> to FJ with no problem. Some of the BIOS' earlier than FE were not
>> Prescott compatible for sure. That may be a possibility as well.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> "Si" <si@munirs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:cuasds$6tb$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>> Hey Nick,
>>>
>>> Many thanks for that very detailed reply. Last night, mainly because I
>>> was out of ideas, I decided to disable Hyperthreading to see if that
>>> would help. I then ran Spysweeper, which usually caused the PC to reboot
>>> after about 2 minutes, and low and behold, it stayed on. I've been
>>> running it all day and it seems fine now (that's tempting fate). Does
>>> this mean I can't use Hyperthreading at all?
>>>
>>> Many thanks for your help and advice.
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> Si
>>>
>>> --
>>> I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
>>> "Nickm" <nickm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:42087e29$0$4091$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>> Hi Si
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all
>>>> the info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time.
>>>>
>>>> Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording
>>>> with Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3).
>>>>
>>>> The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the
>>>> numbers involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a
>>>> problem, but the whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a
>>>> problem when in use.
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet)
>>>>
>>>> PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU
>>>>
>>>> Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB
>>>> PCI Slot 1 - empty
>>>> PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>>>> PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>>>> PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card
>>>> PCI Slot 5 - empty
>>>>
>>>> Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives:
>>>> IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW
>>>> IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive
>>>> ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives:
>>>> IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>>> IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache
>>>> Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives:
>>>> Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
>>>> Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA
>>>> Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty
>>>>
>>>> Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive
>>>>
>>>> Memory DIMM Slots Used:
>>>> Slot nearest CPU on first bank
>>>> Slot nearest CPU on second bank
>>>>
>>>> Memory Type:
>>>> Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair)
>>>>
>>>> CPU:
>>>> Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT
>>>> PRESCOTT
>>>> CPU FAN:
>>>> Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU
>>>>
>>>> BIOS Revision: FE
>>>>
>>>> BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc...
>>>>
>>>> (You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset
>>>> features and Top Performance menu items)
>>>>
>>>> Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings
>>>> Advanced BIOS Features:
>>>> Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped
>>>> Set; 4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards
>>>> BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO
>>>> First Boot Device: Hard Disk
>>>> Second Boot Device: CDROM
>>>> Third Boot Device: Floppy
>>>> Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled
>>>> Boot Up Num Lock: ON
>>>> Password Check: SETUP
>>>> Interrupt Mode: APIC
>>>> HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason)
>>>> CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED
>>>> Delay for HDD (Secs): 0
>>>> Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED
>>>> Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED
>>>> Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO
>>>> DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC
>>>> Init Display First: AGP
>>>> Advanced Chipset Features:
>>>> Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL
>>>> CAS Latency Time: 2
>>>> Active to Precharge Delay: 6
>>>> DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3
>>>> DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2
>>>> Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us
>>>> Delayed Transaction: ENABLED
>>>> AGP Aperture Size: 128MB
>>>> PSB Parking: DISABLED
>>>> Command Per Clock: AUTO
>>>> Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED
>>>> Fast Chip Select: AUTO
>>>> Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED
>>>> Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO
>>>> Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED
>>>> Integrated Peripherals:
>>>> On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED
>>>> On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED
>>>> (the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO)
>>>> from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO
>>>> SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed)
>>>> SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed)
>>>> SATA RAID Function: ENABLED
>>>> USB Controller: ENABLED
>>>> USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED
>>>> USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED
>>>> USB Mouse Support: DISABLED
>>>> Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED
>>>> Serial ATA Function: RAID
>>>> Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED
>>>> GigaRAID Function: ATA
>>>> Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED
>>>> Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED
>>>> Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4
>>>> Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3
>>>> UART Mode Select: NORMAL
>>>> UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF
>>>> Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7
>>>> Parallel Port Mode: SPP
>>>> ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3
>>>> Game Port Address: 201
>>>> Midi Port Address: DISABLED
>>>> Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10
>>>> CIR Port Address: DISABLED
>>>> CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11
>>>> Power Management Setup:
>>>> ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS)
>>>> USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED
>>>> Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING
>>>> Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF
>>>> Everything else: DISABLED
>>>> AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF
>>>> PnP/PCI Configurations:
>>>> Everything set to AUTO
>>>> PC Health Status (pertinent settings only):
>>>> CPU Warning Temperature: 60deg C/140 deg F
>>>> CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED
>>>> Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled
>>>> by board)
>>>> System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled
>>>> by board)
>>>> CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED
>>>> Frequency Voltage Control:
>>>> C.I.A. Function: ENABLED
>>>> C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE
>>>> CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED
>>>> CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100
>>>> AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100
>>>> Memory Frequency for: AUTO
>>>> Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400
>>>> AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100
>>>> DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this
>>>> increase on the packaging)
>>>> AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL
>>>> CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL
>>>> Normal CPU Vcore: (greyed) 1.5250V
>>>> Top Performance
>>>> DISABLED
>>>>
>>>> I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system.
>>>>
>>>> If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v
>>>> overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry,
>>>> but you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of
>>>> over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by
>>>> Corsair on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to
>>>> date), you should achieve stability. There is a proviso though...
>>>> your existing OS and software installation should have been stable to
>>>> start with (I assume it was with your old CPU from what you've
>>>> previously described) AND you're not overclocking anything (I assume
>>>> you're not from what you have said - but in general overclocking terms,
>>>> not particularly specific to the 8KNXP, unless you lock the AGP and PCI
>>>> frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz respectively, every 1MHz increase to the
>>>> CPU's base FSB - normally 100MHz for P4 but multiplied within the CPU
>>>> to give 533 or 800MHz actual speed - will increase the AGP frequency by
>>>> a further 0.66MHz and the PCI bus frequency by a further 0.33 MHz.
>>>> Whilst most modern AGP cards are quite flexible in this respect, not
>>>> all PCI cards are and some might start to fall over causing random
>>>> reboots with a moderate PCI frequency increase to only 37MHz or so.).
>>>> The 8KNXP like many other modern boards has been designed for
>>>> overclocking to some extent, and therefore has the ability to lock AGP
>>>> and PCI frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast you can
>>>> push the CPU and Memory. SATA controllers also suffer from overclocking
>>>> settings and o/c is not recommended if you are using SATA. Personally,
>>>> I've tried overclocking with a degree of success a long time before
>>>> getting this board, and yes, it's a bit of fun to get something for
>>>> nothing and to see how it's done, but with this particular PC, I can't
>>>> afford for it to fall over in the middle of a band's live performance
>>>> at a gig, so stability is paramount, so apart from the memory timings
>>>> which I found in December 2003 on the Net and can't take credit for, I
>>>> haven't made any special provision.
>>>>
>>>> You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different
>>>> slots might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt
>>>> that this will help).
>>>>
>>>> The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should
>>>> always try where possible to use drivers that have been certified
>>>> (signed) by Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft
>>>> have cleverly largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have
>>>> been a lot in the past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of
>>>> the time a faulty 3rd party driver was to blame. That's why the
>>>> message pops up asking you to confirm that you want to use an unsigned
>>>> driver, thereby passing the responsibility if the system fails to you.
>>>> You always have System Restore or the last of the regular backups you
>>>> took ;-/ Graphics card drivers are probably the most common culprits
>>>> in my experience - many graphics card manufacturers - Matrox in
>>>> particular - used to tweak a few settings via software drivers
>>>> (probably still do in a more sophisticated way) to give their cards the
>>>> edge, and although I like Matrox cards a lot, a few years ago (pre-XP)
>>>> they used to give me some interesting moments.
>>>>
>>>> I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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I upgraded to XP SP2 yesterday on my 8KNXP PC. That's made no difference to
the ACPI Multiprocessor PC setting that's present in my Device Manager
anyway. As I say my 3.0 GHz CPU is not a Prescott but it does support HT.
I have several other PCs with Prescott 2.8 GHz and Prescott 3.2GHz installed
and although they tend to run warmer, I've had no issues. 2 of these PC's
are based on Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000-Pro boards (865 chipset) and the other is
based on an Asus P8P800-E-Deluxe board (also 865 chipset). All 3 are set up
as ACPI Multiprocessor PC.

I did have an issue of my own making ages ago on another PC (in fact it's
the one I'm typing this on), which originally ran Windows XP as a Standard
PC rather than ACPI Multiprocessor PC. I'd done it this way because it has
a Pinnacle DV500+ video editing card installed. It was very picky about
IRQ settings with earlier drivers and I wanted to take control of it rather
than it of me LOL. The only way I could do this was to set it up from a
clean install as a 'Standard PC' rather than 'ACPI'. You do this at the
very beginning of a clean install at the point when the text based part of
XP's Setup routine asks you to press F6 for any non-standard disk
controllers - and whilst it doesn't actually bother to mention it on-screen,
you can also press F5 which shortly gives you the option of specifying
Standard or ACPI or other settings. When I changed the CPU to a 3.06GHz HT
model and by which time the DV500 drivers were a little more XP friendly, I
wanted to run HT, and I ended up re-installing XP from scratch. However,
you can run a repair on Windows XP which will essentially replace the main
OS content files without removing your applications or other settings. Many
people use this method when transferring an existing installation on disk to
a new type of board. Basically you run the install routine from CD as you
would if you were installing from scratch. You'd press F5 and/or F6 at the
start of the routine. Let the setup run until it offers you the chance to
repair (this is the first of 2 such offers). Bypass that one and then when
the setup routine checks for existing Windows XP installations and finds
one, this will be your current installation - that's the one you should
repair. It will strip out all the main parts of the OS, copy the correct
files for your new configuration and then all you need to do is wait, enter
the product key details etc... and it should work as you've specified. It's
quite a big thing to take on though, so you should definitely make a Ghost
backup of your main system partition so that you can restore it if it all
goes horribly pear shaped.

Have you got a second hard drive you could run a clean install of XP on? A
little experiment here may confirm whether or not it's an OS problem because
of some legacy driver.

Nick
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