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a b V Motherboard
June 3, 2004 12:07:08 AM

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I guess now I know why my MSI board failed 3 times (original and 2
replacements) from you guessed it...blown capacitors surrounding the CPU
socket.

http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?section=news&f...

I'll be staying on top of this one, seeing as MSI does not care to help me.

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Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
June 3, 2004 5:15:40 AM

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"PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in message
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> I guess now I know why my MSI board failed 3 times (original and 2
> replacements) from you guessed it...blown capacitors surrounding the CPU
> socket.

MSI isn't alone. We here in New York State have replaced thousands of IBM
motherboards due to faulty caps leaking. Eventually we plan on replacing
every single IBM motherboard in every state and county agency PC installed
by the state.

Tom Lake
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
June 3, 2004 10:14:16 PM

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"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in message
> news:A_tvc.44496$Yr.36386@okepread04...
> > I guess now I know why my MSI board failed 3 times (original and 2
> > replacements) from you guessed it...blown capacitors surrounding the
CPU
> > socket.
>
> MSI isn't alone. We here in New York State have replaced thousands of IBM
> motherboards due to faulty caps leaking. Eventually we plan on replacing
> every single IBM motherboard in every state and county agency PC installed
> by the state.
>
> Tom Lake
>

Perhaps NYS should be looking to IBM to replace them if this is a known
defect.

I for one am tired of getting boned by companies that do not stand behind
their products.
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Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
June 4, 2004 2:55:18 AM

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> Perhaps NYS should be looking to IBM to replace them if this is a known
> defect.

They were the lowest bidder who could meet our specs! Of course some people
say Gov. Pataki had the specs written so no one else COULD meet them but you
know how
those things are!

Tom L
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
June 4, 2004 6:32:13 PM

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"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > Perhaps NYS should be looking to IBM to replace them if this is a known
> > defect.
>
> They were the lowest bidder who could meet our specs! Of course some
people
> say Gov. Pataki had the specs written so no one else COULD meet them but
you
> know how
> those things are!

This is a very common practice in just about every field where bids have to
be taken before awarding a contract. And there's no secret about it either.
In fact, most vendors already have cut sheets available for their entire
product line which include very tightly written specs. These are for the
convenience of the specifying authority who wants a particular product for
their project.

Here's a random example of what I'm talking about...

http://www.diebold.com/gssasupaes/cut_sheets/cut_sheet_...
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
June 5, 2004 6:55:05 AM

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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:32:13 GMT, "Banister Stairwell"
<afganistan@bananastan.com> wrote:

| "Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
| news:q%Nvc.45764$j24.15610@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
| > > Perhaps NYS should be looking to IBM to replace them if this is a known
| > > defect.
| >
| > They were the lowest bidder who could meet our specs! Of course some
| people
| > say Gov. Pataki had the specs written so no one else COULD meet them but
| you
| > know how
| > those things are!
|
| This is a very common practice in just about every field where bids have to
| be taken before awarding a contract. And there's no secret about it either.
| In fact, most vendors already have cut sheets available for their entire
| product line which include very tightly written specs. These are for the
| convenience of the specifying authority who wants a particular product for
| their project.

It's also a way taxpayers often get roundly screwed by being deceived
into putting too much money into too many undeserving pockets!

Larc



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Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
June 5, 2004 4:10:27 PM

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"PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in message
news:A_tvc.44496$Yr.36386@okepread04...
> I guess now I know why my MSI board failed 3 times (original and 2
> replacements) from you guessed it...blown capacitors surrounding the CPU
> socket.
>
>
http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?section=news&f...
>
> I'll be staying on top of this one, seeing as MSI does not care to help
me.

With so many motherboard manufactures having used these inferior capacitors,
the attorney filing the suit may have a difficult time proving culpability.
Of course, it won't be the first time an attorney and/or a law firm has
taken a case simply for the free publicity.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
June 5, 2004 5:24:41 PM

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"Banister Stairwell" <afganistan@bananastan.com> wrote in message
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> "PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in message
> news:A_tvc.44496$Yr.36386@okepread04...
> > I guess now I know why my MSI board failed 3 times (original and 2
> > replacements) from you guessed it...blown capacitors surrounding the
CPU
> > socket.
> >
> >
>
http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?section=news&f...
> >
> > I'll be staying on top of this one, seeing as MSI does not care to help
> me.
>
> With so many motherboard manufactures having used these inferior
capacitors,
> the attorney filing the suit may have a difficult time proving
culpability.
> Of course, it won't be the first time an attorney and/or a law firm has
> taken a case simply for the free publicity.
>

Or consumers got tired of getting stiffed by inferior products.
Using the capacitor is not the problem as much as continuing to use it after
they were aware of the problem.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
June 7, 2004 2:11:34 PM

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> >
>
http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?section=news&f...
> > >
> > > I'll be staying on top of this one, seeing as MSI does not care to
help
> > me.
> >
> > With so many motherboard manufactures having used these inferior
> capacitors,
> > the attorney filing the suit may have a difficult time proving
> culpability.
> > Of course, it won't be the first time an attorney and/or a law firm has
> > taken a case simply for the free publicity.
> >
>
> Or consumers got tired of getting stiffed by inferior products.
> Using the capacitor is not the problem as much as continuing to use it
after
> they were aware of the problem.
>
>
>

Or fessing up to the problem even after they stopped using them.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
June 8, 2004 9:06:50 PM

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Banister Stairwell wrote:
> Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if MSI *did* knowingly produce motherboards
> with the defective capacitors...but no more surprised than I would be to
> find out that Shuttle, Gigabyte, Soyo, Abit, Asus, etc. did the same thing.

A few years ago when this bad cap issue was a major problem I had
several MSI boards go bad from caps blowing their tops. But, I also had
boards from Asus and Abit do the same thing. My guess is that many
vendors bought the same bad caps.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
June 9, 2004 1:53:19 AM

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> A few years ago when this bad cap issue was a major problem I had
> several MSI boards go bad from caps blowing their tops. But, I also had
> boards from Asus and Abit do the same thing. My guess is that many
> vendors bought the same bad caps.

Yes, it can happen to any vendor. The difference is how the vendor responds
to it. In my case, IBM is replacing tens of thousands of motherboards from
computer models that have been known to have defective caps even if the
individual motherboard shows no sign of the defect. I certainly can't
complain about IBM service! MSI, on the other hand, seems to be trying to
deny the problem and hide it.

Tom Lake
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
June 10, 2004 6:11:41 AM

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On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:53:19 +0000, Tom Lake wrote:

>> A few years ago when this bad cap issue was a major problem I had
>> several MSI boards go bad from caps blowing their tops. But, I also had
>> boards from Asus and Abit do the same thing. My guess is that many
>> vendors bought the same bad caps.

If it's about tantalium (the small 'drops') capacitors, then the problem
is probably a wrong circuit design. Manufacturers simply *require* to have
resistors put in series with the caps due to their low internal resistance.

Flip


> Yes, it can happen to any vendor. The difference is how the vendor responds
> to it. In my case, IBM is replacing tens of thousands of motherboards from
> computer models that have been known to have defective caps even if the
> individual motherboard shows no sign of the defect. I certainly can't
> complain about IBM service! MSI, on the other hand, seems to be trying to
> deny the problem and hide it.
>
> Tom Lake
!