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I am looking to go to AMD from Intel, and looking at board reviews came
across this one. Can you folks suggests a good CPU and Ram? I am used to
running an Intel 2.8 OC to 3.2 with DDR 466 ram. Suggestions please.

Thanks.
 
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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 06:21:03 -0300, "news_reader"
<news_reader@rogers.com> wrote:

>I am looking to go to AMD from Intel, and looking at board reviews came
>across this one. Can you folks suggests a good CPU and Ram? I am used to
>running an Intel 2.8 OC to 3.2 with DDR 466 ram. Suggestions please.
>
>Thanks.

That board will take any of the socket 939 processors currently on the
market (including the new dual core processors, although I haven't
tested that yet) so go with whatever your wallet allows.

I would go with a single core Venice. Those come in 3000, 3200, 3500
and 3800 with clock speeds of 1800, 2000, 2200 and 2400 respectively.
I've heard that the Venice chips have a lot of headroom, so a 3000
might very well do 2400.

As for memory, any quality 3200 DDR will do, but if you want to OC
then memory that's rated at a higher speed might be a good choice.

Here's some links that might help:

MSI Forum:
http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?board=28.0

MSI's download page for the Neo2
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/download/dld/spt_dld_detail.php?UID=607&kind=1

A good article on A64 overclocking:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=306418

A decent MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum Guide:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=339051

Another guide, but a bit dated:
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43033

BTW I upgraded from an Intel 3.0 to this mobo and a Winchester 3500
and the difference in gaming performance was night and day. At the
time I upgraded the PCIe boards were hitting the market, but I had
just bought a $400 6800 GT PCI card a few months before and I wasn't
about to chuck it so I settled on the NForce 3 based Neo2 and am happy
with the decision.
 
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I was looking at the FX 53 or 4000+, is that overkill?
"Folk" <Folk@folk.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 06:21:03 -0300, "news_reader"
> <news_reader@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>>I am looking to go to AMD from Intel, and looking at board reviews came
>>across this one. Can you folks suggests a good CPU and Ram? I am used to
>>running an Intel 2.8 OC to 3.2 with DDR 466 ram. Suggestions please.
>>
>>Thanks.
>
> That board will take any of the socket 939 processors currently on the
> market (including the new dual core processors, although I haven't
> tested that yet) so go with whatever your wallet allows.
>
> I would go with a single core Venice. Those come in 3000, 3200, 3500
> and 3800 with clock speeds of 1800, 2000, 2200 and 2400 respectively.
> I've heard that the Venice chips have a lot of headroom, so a 3000
> might very well do 2400.
>
> As for memory, any quality 3200 DDR will do, but if you want to OC
> then memory that's rated at a higher speed might be a good choice.
>
> Here's some links that might help:
>
> MSI Forum:
> http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?board=28.0
>
> MSI's download page for the Neo2
> http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/download/dld/spt_dld_detail.php?UID=607&kind=1
>
> A good article on A64 overclocking:
> http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=306418
>
> A decent MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum Guide:
> http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=339051
>
> Another guide, but a bit dated:
> http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43033
>
> BTW I upgraded from an Intel 3.0 to this mobo and a Winchester 3500
> and the difference in gaming performance was night and day. At the
> time I upgraded the PCIe boards were hitting the market, but I had
> just bought a $400 6800 GT PCI card a few months before and I wasn't
> about to chuck it so I settled on the NForce 3 based Neo2 and am happy
> with the decision.
 
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If you want to be safe then don't buy an NF3 Ultra chipset board like my MSI
Neo2 Platinum (which is sitting in it's box right now) if you own a 6800 GT
video card. There are hundreds of pages of the pausing and stuttering
problems with this combo when playing D3D games on many different forums. I
only wish I knew about this before I purchased the NF3 Ultra board over 3
months ago. I now have an ASUS A8V Deluxe Rev. 2 which I installed over 2
weeks ago and works great with my BFG 6800 GT OC, unlike my NF3 board which
had constant problems in D3D games only. All OpenGL games ran great, it was
only D3D games that had the problem. If you had an ATI card you also
wouldn't have the problem with an NF3 chipset board. Below are a couple of
forums to go to where many of us have posted problems with the NF3 and 68XX
problem. Also, my system spec's are shown below.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=938842&page=1&pp=20

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32759

AMD 3700+ San Diego @ 2.6 Ghz/Retail HSF
Was a MSI Neo2 Platinum/Bios Ver. 1.A
Now an ASUS A8V Deluxe Ver. 2 Bios 1014
OS: Win XP Pro/SP2
Antec SmartPower 350W +3.3V/28A +5V/35A +12V/21A
BFG 6800GT OC 370/1000
1 Gig OCZ PC3500 2.5-3-3-7-2T Dual Channel
Maxtor 250 Gig ATA 133/Primary IDE Master
WDC 80 Gig ATA 100/Primary IDE Slave
Seagate 160 Gig SATA Drive
Plextor DVDR PX-708A Sec. IDE Master
Liteon JLMS XJ-HD166S Sec. IDE Slave
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
 
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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:46:43 -0300, "news_reader"
<news_reader@rogers.com> wrote:

>I was looking at the FX 53 or 4000+, is that overkill?

The FX-53 is built on the older "Clawhammer" 130 nm process. It has a
larger L1 cache ( 1MB vs 512KB) than the 3800 Venice but runs at the
same speed and would benchmark slightly slower due the process tweaks
in the Venice/San Diego core. The 4000 is just an FX-53 with a 512
cache so it's certainly out of the running. Unless you're talking
about the 4000 San Diego core. That would certainly be a good
processor.

The model numbers from both Intel and AMD are confusing as hell. An
excellent guide to sorting it all out can be found here:

http://techreport.com/cpu/

If it were me, I would go with the 3500 Venice and OC it to 3800 (2400
Mhz) speed. Even at stock it would be plenty fast and you would save
$100. Good for beer and stuff. ;-)
 
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I am running an ATI card right now in AGP, but I caught a thread about a
754? board that had PCI-E and AGP onboard, but I assume the 754 is an older
cpu than the 939?

"OldFartJC" <spamupyours@abc.com> wrote in message
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> If you want to be safe then don't buy an NF3 Ultra chipset board like my
> MSI
> Neo2 Platinum (which is sitting in it's box right now) if you own a 6800
> GT
> video card. There are hundreds of pages of the pausing and stuttering
> problems with this combo when playing D3D games on many different forums.
> I
> only wish I knew about this before I purchased the NF3 Ultra board over 3
> months ago. I now have an ASUS A8V Deluxe Rev. 2 which I installed over 2
> weeks ago and works great with my BFG 6800 GT OC, unlike my NF3 board
> which
> had constant problems in D3D games only. All OpenGL games ran great, it
> was
> only D3D games that had the problem. If you had an ATI card you also
> wouldn't have the problem with an NF3 chipset board. Below are a couple of
> forums to go to where many of us have posted problems with the NF3 and
> 68XX
> problem. Also, my system spec's are shown below.
>
> http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=938842&page=1&pp=20
>
> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32759
>
> AMD 3700+ San Diego @ 2.6 Ghz/Retail HSF
> Was a MSI Neo2 Platinum/Bios Ver. 1.A
> Now an ASUS A8V Deluxe Ver. 2 Bios 1014
> OS: Win XP Pro/SP2
> Antec SmartPower 350W +3.3V/28A +5V/35A +12V/21A
> BFG 6800GT OC 370/1000
> 1 Gig OCZ PC3500 2.5-3-3-7-2T Dual Channel
> Maxtor 250 Gig ATA 133/Primary IDE Master
> WDC 80 Gig ATA 100/Primary IDE Slave
> Seagate 160 Gig SATA Drive
> Plextor DVDR PX-708A Sec. IDE Master
> Liteon JLMS XJ-HD166S Sec. IDE Slave
> Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
>
>
>
 
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anf the Venice comes in a 3800+ also, might that be a good choice based on
the page you sent me too,,,
"Folk" <Folk@folk.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:46:43 -0300, "news_reader"
> <news_reader@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>>I was looking at the FX 53 or 4000+, is that overkill?
>
> The FX-53 is built on the older "Clawhammer" 130 nm process. It has a
> larger L1 cache ( 1MB vs 512KB) than the 3800 Venice but runs at the
> same speed and would benchmark slightly slower due the process tweaks
> in the Venice/San Diego core. The 4000 is just an FX-53 with a 512
> cache so it's certainly out of the running. Unless you're talking
> about the 4000 San Diego core. That would certainly be a good
> processor.
>
> The model numbers from both Intel and AMD are confusing as hell. An
> excellent guide to sorting it all out can be found here:
>
> http://techreport.com/cpu/
>
> If it were me, I would go with the 3500 Venice and OC it to 3800 (2400
> Mhz) speed. Even at stock it would be plenty fast and you would save
> $100. Good for beer and stuff. ;-)
 

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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 06:05:39 -0300, "news_reader"
<news_reader@rogers.com> wrote:

>I am running an ATI card right now in AGP, but I caught a thread about a
>754? board that had PCI-E and AGP onboard, but I assume the 754 is an older
>cpu than the 939?
>
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Yes the 939 socket is the newest. Be careful, most combo PCI-e / AGP
boards run the AGP much slower.

This ASROC 939 is the only one that doesn't because it uses the new
ULi chipset

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2524
 
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Interesting item and a good solution to agp/pci video, the firewire ports
are not important to me, the lan being 10/100, Im not sure on the
performance compared to gigabyte
"Gollum" <Gollum@pretty.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 06:05:39 -0300, "news_reader"
> <news_reader@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>>I am running an ATI card right now in AGP, but I caught a thread about a
>>754? board that had PCI-E and AGP onboard, but I assume the 754 is an
>>older
>>cpu than the 939?
>>
>>"
> Yes the 939 socket is the newest. Be careful, most combo PCI-e / AGP
> boards run the AGP much slower.
>
> This ASROC 939 is the only one that doesn't because it uses the new
> ULi chipset
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2524
>
>
 
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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:05:43 -0700, "OldFartJC" <spamupyours@abc.com>
wrote:

>If you want to be safe then don't buy an NF3 Ultra chipset board like my MSI
>Neo2 Platinum (which is sitting in it's box right now) if you own a 6800 GT
>video card. There are hundreds of pages of the pausing and stuttering
>problems with this combo when playing D3D games on many different forums.

I have that combination and have no problem. I did extensive research
on that mobo and found *NO* instances of what you're talking about. If
there are "hundreds of pages" of problems then it should be a trivial
task to post 10 of them here.

I'm not saying *you* didn't have a problem, but to scare people off
from that combo when there are surely thousands of people with that
same combination (I'm one of them) who never had a problem...
 
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Maybe you should open your eyes and see the 2 links I posted in my message
and go to them. There are even threads about it on the MSI forum. How long
did your extensive research take, it must have been less than 1/4 of a
second because I got all kinds of hits on Google in less than half a second.
There are over a hundred pages posted on this subject and almost 100 on just
these 2 forums. And the fact that you don't have a problem means nothing,
since many of us did or still do have the problem and have tried everything,
as you will find out when you go to those forums and read the posts. Why
take the chance with the NF3 chipset boards when the VIA chipset boards
don't have the problem at all. So I am not scaring people off, I'm just
informing them of what might very likely happen. This is not a figment of
anybody's imagination but a known problem. If I were you I would go buy a
lottery ticket, as you are obviously one of the lucky people and not like
the thousands worldwide who have had the problem with different NF3
motherboards and 68XX video cards. I only wish I had known about this and
bought the ASUS A8V Deluxe to start with. It was basically a flip of the
coin for me and it landed the wrong way I guess so I bought the NEO 2
Platinum, which is actually a great board if you don't have a 68XX video
card and play D3D games. Below are the 2 links I posted before, go there and
see for yourself and if you need any more links I will be happy to post
those also.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=938842&page=1&pp=20

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32759
 
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:01:28 -0700, "OldFartJC" <spamupyours@abc.com>
wrote:

>Maybe you should open your eyes and see the 2 links I posted in my message
>and go to them. There are even threads about it on the MSI forum. How long
>did your extensive research take, it must have been less than 1/4 of a
>second because I got all kinds of hits on Google in less than half a second.
>There are over a hundred pages posted on this subject and almost 100 on just
>these 2 forums. And the fact that you don't have a problem means nothing,
>since many of us did or still do have the problem and have tried everything,
>as you will find out when you go to those forums and read the posts. Why
>take the chance with the NF3 chipset boards when the VIA chipset boards
>don't have the problem at all. So I am not scaring people off, I'm just
>informing them of what might very likely happen. This is not a figment of
>anybody's imagination but a known problem. If I were you I would go buy a
>lottery ticket, as you are obviously one of the lucky people and not like
>the thousands worldwide who have had the problem with different NF3
>motherboards and 68XX video cards. I only wish I had known about this and
>bought the ASUS A8V Deluxe to start with. It was basically a flip of the
>coin for me and it landed the wrong way I guess so I bought the NEO 2
>Platinum, which is actually a great board if you don't have a 68XX video
>card and play D3D games. Below are the 2 links I posted before, go there and
>see for yourself and if you need any more links I will be happy to post
>those also.
>
>http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=938842&page=1&pp=20
>
>http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32759
>

"less than 1/4 of a second", "thousands worldwide". You're fond of
hyperbole. You don't use Linux by any chance, do you?

The 6800 GT was very popular at introduction and many were sold. And
they were sold *before* the introduction of PCI Express. The very
reason the NForce 3 chipset in general and the Neo 2 Platinum in
particular are still viable is due to those sales numbers. Let's say
you want to upgrade your system (probably an aging 2.5 - 3GB P4 based
rig that is getting shamelessly trounced by AMD systems in all gaming
benchmarks) but you're not about to throw away a perfectly fine vid
card (the 6800 GT) that you paid $350 - $400 for less than a year ago,
so what do you do? You get either an NForce 3 or VIA board. A huge
number of those folks chose the K8N Neo 2. A Google of this group
will turn up posts regarding short supplies for that board for month
after month at all major online retailers. NewEgg was out for weeks
at a stretch. The board *still* commands a high premium due to the
demand issue. We're talking big numbers of those boards sold and they
were sold *mostly* to owners of high end vid cards.... especially the
6800 GT.

>" If I were you I would go buy a
>lottery ticket, as you are obviously one of the lucky people and not like
>the thousands worldwide who have had the problem with different NF3
>motherboards and 68XX video cards.

"One of the lucky people"? Given the numbers I described above, if
the problem were as widespread as you are indicating here (it's not)
then wouldn't every tech site on the web have headline stories about
the catastrophic failure of this combo on 10's of thousands of systems
worldwide? Guess what.....

Look, I'm not saying you didn't have a problem. I'm not saying that
100's of people didn't have a problem. But 100's of people would
probably be less then 1% of the total owners of that combo.

I think you should turn your lottery ticket metaphor around.
 
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Why risk it when a VIA chipset board won't give the problem at all. And it's
not hundreds it's thousands, and not everyone who bought a NF3 chipset board
has a 68XX card, many have an ATI video card which doesn't have the problem
on an NF3 board. And think of all the people who don't even look at forums
who may have the problem and maybe even if they do don't post. Common sense
would have told me that if I saw this problem being reported by so many
people that I should probably buy the ASUS A8V or another VIA chipset board
instead of the MSI or any other NF3 board. But since I didn't see anything
about until 2 day's after I built this rig, I then proceeded to load Far Cry
and HL2 and of course I had the problem. That's when I went searching for
other forums to see if there were any fixes and found lots of references to
this problem, and guess what the number of people on these forums with this
problem keep growing everyday. And no I don't run Linux and how the hell do
you know what percentage of the people who bought this board have the
problem, you don't and neither do I, your just speculating, unless of course
your a big MSI fanboy. But like I said to start with, why risk it, I
wouldn't have if I had known about this. This is an nVidia problem and
nothing else and they have not addressed it in the year it has been going
on. Actually the MSI is a nice board except for this problem which isn't
MSI's fault, but they could also care less just like nVidia.
 

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OldFartJC said:
If you want to be safe then don't buy an NF3 Ultra There are hundreds of pages of the pausing and stuttering
problems with this combo when playing D3D games on many different forums.[/quo

I have been running a neo2 and 6800gt since they came out last year, currently am using an opty 148. I play MMO's and FPS's and have never experienced any of the stuttering that I have read about. So i would say YMMV.

-Elo
 

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i have a MSI K8N-Neo2 board and an evga 6800gt and these hundreds of problems are very very very real. google nforce3 6800gt problems and you will get all the pages you need. i spent hours reading forums.nvidia.com and like oldfartjc said, this is a very real problem. is it widespread enough to cause nvidia to fix it? obviously not but just google it before you shoot your mouth off. and eloman2, you need to realize that oldfart was talking about the nforce3 and you said you are running the nforce2...big difference there tiger.

i have a mish-mash hodgepodge of drivers from nvidia and guru3d that seems to work and i have turned the latency down from 248! on my 6800gt to a more managable 64 and it seems to be working but why risk it, go with something with the K8T800 chipset
 

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[/quote]and eloman2, you need to realize that oldfart was talking about the nforce3 and you said you are running the nforce2

As i said, I am using the neo2 which is nforce 3, so umm no there is absolutely no difference.
 

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I would recommend a nice socket 939 nForce4 motherboard from a good manufacturer like ASUS, Abit, etc and an Athlon 64 939 3700+ or better.

For the RAM I would strongly recommend Corsair XMS PC3200 or better.

If you are on a budget try Corsair Value-Select PC3200 or Crucial.

Also consider getting a dual channel kit.

happy holidays
 

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I have a MSI Neo2. It is a good motherboard for AGP. It has its issues like any other and this link here will give you all the info you need on it. Xtreme Neo2 Link

I have the 3000+ venice, it has been stable out of the box at 2.4ghz since I received it on this motherboard. It can be pushed much further. There are a couple of guys on that same site in the Venice OC thread that pushed a couple of those chips over 3.0ghz on a Neo2 and with stability.

Upgrading of your BIOS for this motherboard and tweaking a few other things it is a very stable platform. That link I gave you will show you all you need too know. I would suggest going with PCI-E though, since AGP is out the door and the video card manufacturers are clearly showing us that by not releasing the top notch stuff in AGP.
 

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Very good post :)

The overclocking is very impressive :-D and I agree with you, but I would still recommend an nForce4 over an nForce3.

And yes, sadly AGP is being rapidly phased out :-(

So get a board with at least one 16x PCI-E slot.
 

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lol...oops! sorry about that, i was so worried about appearing smart i forgot to read :)

nforce4 is a better bet than the nforce3 but it you do decided to do a socket 939 with an agp slot i would still recommend the ASUS K8V Deluxe over the MSI K8N-Neo2 if you are running a 6800 series card
 

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I'm new to this topic of OC'ing and I read that you are running a Venice 3000 at 2.4GHz. Sounds mouthwatering to me. I have an MSI NEO2 Platinum, Venice 3200+ w/factory HSF, 2GB Micron Ballistic (4 SS 512MB running 2226 2T) Antec 550 TruPower in Antec P160 case w/two 120MM fans, (3) WD Raptor in RAID 0, and a 6600GT AGP vid. I would genuinely appreciate advice regarding the steps necessary to realize a stable 2.4GHz, or more operation.

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