Help: Fastest AMD for Via KT266A

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I am running a Duron in a Syntax mobo with a Via KT266A chipset.
http://tinyurl.com/yt2an

I want to upgrade to an Athlon but the vendor site has no info on
the fastest cpu I can run.

Am I limited to Palomino's?

---

I can't afford to upgrade my PSU. My PSU can deliver the
following. Is this enough power for a low-end Athlon? Which speed
cpu would be the best?

+12V 13A
+5V 27A
+3.3V 20A
Max for +5v and +3.3V combined is 175W.

http://tinyurl.com/3c4ht


Thanks for any help.

 

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a lot of older kt266 & kt333 boards had problems using processors that used
multipliers higher than 12.5 so the xp2000+ is the highest one you can
really be sure will work.

"Piotr Makley" <pmakley@mail.com> wrote in message
news:94BF87F84594031E75@130.133.1.4...
> I am running a Duron in a Syntax mobo with a Via KT266A chipset.
> http://tinyurl.com/yt2an
>
> I want to upgrade to an Athlon but the vendor site has no info on
> the fastest cpu I can run.
>
> Am I limited to Palomino's?
>
> ---
>
> I can't afford to upgrade my PSU. My PSU can deliver the
> following. Is this enough power for a low-end Athlon? Which speed
> cpu would be the best?
>
> +12V 13A
> +5V 27A
> +3.3V 20A
> Max for +5v and +3.3V combined is 175W.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3c4ht
>
>
> Thanks for any help.

 

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"Piotr Makley" <pmakley@mail.com> wrote in message
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> I am running a Duron in a Syntax mobo with a Via KT266A chipset.
> http://tinyurl.com/yt2an
>
> I want to upgrade to an Athlon but the vendor site has no info on
> the fastest cpu I can run.
>
> Am I limited to Palomino's?
>
> ---
I have the SV266a mobo running a AMD 2400+ (Thorton core)

Regards

Tim

 

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"Piotr Makley" <pmakley@mail.com> wrote in message
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> I am running a Duron in a Syntax mobo with a Via KT266A chipset.
> http://tinyurl.com/yt2an
>
> I want to upgrade to an Athlon but the vendor site has no info on
> the fastest cpu I can run.
>
> Am I limited to Palomino's?
>
> ---
>

FWIW my SV266A is happily running a 2200+

 

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Piotr Makley wrote:
> I am running a Duron in a Syntax mobo with a Via KT266A chipset.
> http://tinyurl.com/yt2an
>
> I want to upgrade to an Athlon but the vendor site has no info on
> the fastest cpu I can run.
>
> Am I limited to Palomino's?
>
> ---
>
> I can't afford to upgrade my PSU. My PSU can deliver the
> following. Is this enough power for a low-end Athlon? Which speed
> cpu would be the best?
>
> +12V 13A
> +5V 27A
> +3.3V 20A
> Max for +5v and +3.3V combined is 175W.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3c4ht
>
>
> Thanks for any help.

I read in a recent issue of Australian PC User a table with the maximum
CPUs that different chipsets can take. The KT266a, according to that
table, can take up to a XP 2400+. Palominos stopped at XP 2100+, so I
can only assume that Tbreds are supported (perhaps with a BIOS upgrade,
perhaps not). I downloaded the manual for that motherboard and it isn't
very helpful.


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" I read in a recent issue of Australian PC User a table with the maximum
CPUs that different chipsets can take. The KT266a, according to that table,
can take up to a XP 2400+. Palominos stopped at XP 2100+, so I can only
assume that Tbreds are supported (perhaps with a BIOS upgrade, perhaps not).
I downloaded the manual for that motherboard and it isn't very helpful. "


On the manufacturers website, there isn't a detailed list of BIOS updates
for that motherboard. All it has is a download link for one BIOS, so you
might be running that one already. I recently helped someone with a similar
query, and they had an Acorp motherboard with the same chipset (KT266A).
The Acorp BIOS update page had a BIOS update for that motherboard which
supported the 266FSB 2400+ and 2600+.

The Acorp motherboard with KT266A chipset:
http://www.acorp.com.tw/Products_information/pro-default/7KT266A.htm

The Acorp BIOS update page:
http://www.acorp.com.tw/BIOS/BIOS%20VIA/bios-via-462.htm

The 2600+ Thoroughbred is difficult to get hold of, as production was halted
shortly after release. You'd do better to find a (much cheaper) 266FSB
2400+ as they are more easily available. The 2400+ was first designed with
a Thorougbred core, but on release of the 333FSB Barton (2500+ and above),
AMD re-designed its 266FSB range of Athlons with the Thorton core (2400+ and
below). This was purely down to manufacturing costs, as this site explains.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20031022184805.html

 

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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 20:37:17 +0800, sooky grumper
<sookygrumper@fishies_.com> wrote:

>Piotr Makley wrote:
>> I am running a Duron in a Syntax mobo with a Via KT266A chipset.
>> http://tinyurl.com/yt2an
>>
>> I want to upgrade to an Athlon but the vendor site has no info on
>> the fastest cpu I can run.
>>
>> Am I limited to Palomino's?
>>
>> ---
>>
>> I can't afford to upgrade my PSU. My PSU can deliver the
>> following. Is this enough power for a low-end Athlon? Which speed
>> cpu would be the best?
>>
>> +12V 13A
>> +5V 27A
>> +3.3V 20A
>> Max for +5v and +3.3V combined is 175W.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/3c4ht
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>
>I read in a recent issue of Australian PC User a table with the maximum
>CPUs that different chipsets can take. The KT266a, according to that
>table, can take up to a XP 2400+. Palominos stopped at XP 2100+, so I
>can only assume that Tbreds are supported (perhaps with a BIOS upgrade,
>perhaps not). I downloaded the manual for that motherboard and it isn't
>very helpful.

In addition to the chipset there's also the issue of signal strength on
some lines to the processor. In other words, Australian PC User assumed
only the FSB mattered, but I've had at least one KT266a that wouldn't
accept anything faster than a Palomino, and lesser KT133 boards that
wouldn't run anything faster even at 100MHz FSB. Best course of action is
to hunt down users of that particular board and see what they're running,
or update bios to latest and just buy the CPU from someplace with a good
return policy.

 

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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:21:58 +0100, Piotr Makley wrote:

> I am running a Duron in a Syntax mobo with a Via KT266A chipset.
> http://tinyurl.com/yt2an
>
> I want to upgrade to an Athlon but the vendor site has no info on
> the fastest cpu I can run.
>
> Am I limited to Palomino's?
>
No, as long as you replace the PSU. You'll may even have problems with a
Palomino with that PSU. Replace the PSU and you should be able to run any
133MHz (/266) FSB cpu. Best buy would probably be the 2400+, but you
should also be able to use the /266 MP's like the 2800+.
>
> I can't afford to upgrade my PSU. My PSU can deliver the following. Is
> this enough power for a low-end Athlon? Which speed cpu would be the
> best?
>
Surely you can afford this. Got one. Works well even with Athlon 64 power
hungry cpu.

http://www.amamax.com/psspecial2fnlp6100e.html

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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:34:28 +0000, Wooducoodu wrote:

> a lot of older kt266 & kt333 boards had problems using processors that used
> multipliers higher than 12.5 so the xp2000+ is the highest one you can
> really be sure will work.
>
There's not a problem with the boards, just the people that tried to use
them not knowing what they were doing. There's many ways around that
problem. See link below.

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"Tim Chapman" <chapmantr@despammed.com> wrote:

>> I am running a Duron in a Syntax mobo with a Via KT266A
>> chipset. http://tinyurl.com/yt2an
>>
>> I want to upgrade to an Athlon but the vendor site has no
>> info on the fastest cpu I can run.
>>
>> Am I limited to Palomino's?
>>
>> ---
> I have the SV266a mobo running a AMD 2400+ (Thorton core)


That is exactly the same mobo as I have! SV266A version 1.0.

Did you have to upgrade the BIOS? My Award BIOS is dated
"02/07/2003" and has this reference after the date:

VT8367-8235-6A6LVE1HC-00

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Also, what is the rating of your power supply?

 

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"Lee Enfield" <micktilley@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>> I am running a Duron in a Syntax mobo with a Via KT266A
>> chipset. http://tinyurl.com/yt2an
>>
>> I want to upgrade to an Athlon but the vendor site has no
>> info on the fastest cpu I can run.
>>
>> Am I limited to Palomino's?
>>
>> ---
>>
>
> FWIW my SV266A is happily running a 2200+


I just replied to Tim Chapman. As you also have the same mobo
(version 1.0) then can I ask you the same question I asked him:

Did you have to upgrade the BIOS? My Award BIOS is dated
"02/07/2003" and has this reference after the date:

VT8367-8235-6A6LVE1HC-00

---

Also, what is the rating of your power supply?

 

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kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:

> In addition to the chipset there's also the issue of signal
> strength on some lines to the processor. In other words,
> Australian PC User assumed only the FSB mattered, but I've had
> at least one KT266a that wouldn't accept anything faster than
> a Palomino, and lesser KT133 boards that wouldn't run anything
> faster even at 100MHz FSB. Best course of action is to hunt
> down users of that particular board and see what they're
> running, or update bios to latest and just buy the CPU from
> someplace with a good return policy.


What is the speed of the FSB for the Palomino?

What is the fastest processor in the Palomino range?

Do you know where I can find power consumption figures for the
Palomino's?

 

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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:23:18 +0100, Piotr Makley <pmakley@mail.com> wrote:

>kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> In addition to the chipset there's also the issue of signal
>> strength on some lines to the processor. In other words,
>> Australian PC User assumed only the FSB mattered, but I've had
>> at least one KT266a that wouldn't accept anything faster than
>> a Palomino, and lesser KT133 boards that wouldn't run anything
>> faster even at 100MHz FSB. Best course of action is to hunt
>> down users of that particular board and see what they're
>> running, or update bios to latest and just buy the CPU from
>> someplace with a good return policy.
>
>
>What is the speed of the FSB for the Palomino?

133MHz FSB clock rate, often called DDR266.

>What is the fastest processor in the Palomino range?

XP2100, but that model comes in both Palomino and Thoroughbred, if you saw
no mention of it being a Palomino it probably isn't.

>Do you know where I can find power consumption figures for the
>Palomino's?

AMD's website? They have spec sheets listing that, or a Google search
might find it.

Offhand I'm guessing an XP2100 is about 70W max, typical closer to 50W,
which at one point was looked upon by Intel fanatics as really hot
running, but now that Intel has 100W+ chips the perspective is a little
different. If anything Palominos are easier to cool now than previously
due to more large 'sinks in the market, and the larger core area of a
Palomino reduces the need for highest efficiency heatsink base... you
might have problems with a $8 'sink but certainy for under $25 there's a
few choices.

Then again a Thoroughbred or newer might work on your motherboard, I just
don't know. The faster the chip the less likely it is to work from an
amperage perspective too, that board was designed around older CPUs that
used less current. It could run for awhile then fail prematurely. If it
were me at this point I'd be thinking about upgrading the motherboard and
memory, then whichever CPU fits the budget, many people feel a Barton
XP2500 is a good choice.

 

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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:23:18 +0100, Piotr Makley wrote:

> What is the speed of the FSB for the Palomino?
>
Officially 50-133MHz, but will go higher.

> What is the fastest processor in the Palomino range?
>
2100+

> Do you know where I can find power consumption figures for the
> Palomino's?

www.amd.com, but it draws considerably more power than the newer cores,
and it won't clock near as high, about 1800MHz tops. IOW's, you don't want
one. Get a Tbred B core or a barton core.

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Piotr Makley wrote:
> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>In addition to the chipset there's also the issue of signal
>>strength on some lines to the processor. In other words,
>>Australian PC User assumed only the FSB mattered, but I've had
>>at least one KT266a that wouldn't accept anything faster than
>>a Palomino, and lesser KT133 boards that wouldn't run anything
>>faster even at 100MHz FSB. Best course of action is to hunt
>>down users of that particular board and see what they're
>>running, or update bios to latest and just buy the CPU from
>>someplace with a good return policy.
>
>
>
> What is the speed of the FSB for the Palomino?

266mhz

>
> What is the fastest processor in the Palomino range?

XP 2100+

>
> Do you know where I can find power consumption figures for the
> Palomino's?

www.google.com


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sooky grumper wrote:
> Piotr Makley wrote:
>
>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In addition to the chipset there's also the issue of signal
>>> strength on some lines to the processor. In other words,
>>> Australian PC User assumed only the FSB mattered, but I've had
>>> at least one KT266a that wouldn't accept anything faster than
>>> a Palomino, and lesser KT133 boards that wouldn't run anything
>>> faster even at 100MHz FSB. Best course of action is to hunt
>>> down users of that particular board and see what they're
>>> running, or update bios to latest and just buy the CPU from
>>> someplace with a good return policy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the speed of the FSB for the Palomino?
>
>
> 266mhz

Was thinking double pumped...it's actually only 133, as kony pointed out

>
>>
>> What is the fastest processor in the Palomino range?
>
>
> XP 2100+
>
>>
>> Do you know where I can find power consumption figures for the
>> Palomino's?
>
>
> www.google.com
>
>


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"Piotr Makley" <pmakley@mail.com> wrote in message
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> Did you have to upgrade the BIOS? My Award BIOS is dated
> "02/07/2003" and has this reference after the date:
>
> VT8367-8235-6A6LVE1HC-00
>
> ---
>
> Also, what is the rating of your power supply?

I don't think that the BIOS needed to be updated, but I did anyway, just to
be on the safe side.
The latest version being 09/17/2003.
http://64.168.125.230/support/syntax/Motherboard/SV266A/BIOS/2003-0917.zip

I have a 350W PSU, However I have another SV266a running a Duron 1800 using
a 250W PSU, if thats anything to go by.

Regards,

Tim.

 

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"Tim Chapman" <chapmantr@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> "Piotr Makley" <pmakley@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:94BFED7697CF931E75@130.133.1.4...
> > Did you have to upgrade the BIOS? My Award BIOS is dated
> > "02/07/2003" and has this reference after the date:
> >
> > VT8367-8235-6A6LVE1HC-00
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Also, what is the rating of your power supply?
>
> I don't think that the BIOS needed to be updated, but I did anyway, just
to
> be on the safe side.
> The latest version being 09/17/2003.
> http://64.168.125.230/support/syntax/Motherboard/SV266A/BIOS/2003-0917.zip
>
> I have a 350W PSU, However I have another SV266a running a Duron 1800
using
> a 250W PSU, if thats anything to go by.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim.

A Duron 1800 runs really well in this board. I have 3 of these setups. Don't
forget that this processor runs at a full 1800 mhz., which is the equivalent
of an Athlon XP 2400 and almost as fast. It's a great choice budget
processor.
>
>

 

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>> > Did you have to upgrade the BIOS? My Award BIOS is dated
>> > "02/07/2003" and has this reference after the date:
>> >
>> > VT8367-8235-6A6LVE1HC-00
>> >
>> > Also, what is the rating of your power supply?


>> I don't think that the BIOS needed to be updated, but I did
>> anyway, just to be on the safe side.
>> The latest version being 09/17/2003.
>> http://64.168.125.230/support/syntax/Motherboard/SV266A/BIOS/2
>> 003-0917.zip
>>
>> I have a 350W PSU, However I have another SV266a running a
>> Duron 1800 using a 250W PSU, if thats anything to go by.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tim.

"Mr. Slow" <millenniumgold@crouchvale.freeserve.invalid> wrote:
>
> A Duron 1800 runs really well in this board. I have 3 of these
> setups. Don't forget that this processor runs at a full 1800
> mhz., which is the equivalent of an Athlon XP 2400 and almost
> as fast. It's a great choice budget processor.

Who is selling a Duron 1800MHz in the UK at a good price? Dabs.com
is doing them for £32 plus about £2 P&P. http://snipurl.com/5hgb

For £39 they sell an Athlon 1800+ which seems much better value.
Or not? http://snipurl.com/5hga

Any info gratefully received.

 

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Wes Newell <w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote:

>> Do you know where I can find power consumption figures for
>> the Palomino's?
>
> www.amd.com, but it draws considerably more power than the
> newer cores, and it won't clock near as high, about 1800MHz
> tops. IOW's, you don't want one. Get a Tbred B core or a
> barton core.

I think my Via KT266 chipset doesn't support T-bred or Barton. I
think I am limited to only Palomino.

Do you know where on the AMD site it has info on Duron power
consumption. This is the closest I got:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A59E11CE7

ISTR there is also a chart on a private website with all the data
on

 

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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 05:09:06 +0800, sooky grumper
<sookygrumper@fishies_.com> wrote:

>sooky grumper wrote:
>> Piotr Makley wrote:
>>
>>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In addition to the chipset there's also the issue of signal
>>>> strength on some lines to the processor. In other words,
>>>> Australian PC User assumed only the FSB mattered, but I've had
>>>> at least one KT266a that wouldn't accept anything faster than
>>>> a Palomino, and lesser KT133 boards that wouldn't run anything
>>>> faster even at 100MHz FSB. Best course of action is to hunt
>>>> down users of that particular board and see what they're
>>>> running, or update bios to latest and just buy the CPU from
>>>> someplace with a good return policy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the speed of the FSB for the Palomino?
>>
>>
>> 266mhz
>
>Was thinking double pumped...it's actually only 133, as kony pointed out

That's Intel lingo. AthlonXPs uses the DEC Alpha EV6 bus for FSB. And
it's 266MHz (or 200/333/400). More specifically, it runs on a 2X
multiplier on the (FSB-) clock that also controls cpu-speed via
another multiplier. The FSB is not the memory bus. The FSB connects
the cpu to the Northbridge.
The memorybus is between the Northbridge and ram. And DDR266 (double
data transfer rate) runs on 133MHz.

ancra

 

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"Piotr Makley" <pmakley@mail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > A Duron 1800 runs really well in this board. I have 3 of these
> > setups. Don't forget that this processor runs at a full 1800
> > mhz., which is the equivalent of an Athlon XP 2400 and almost
> > as fast. It's a great choice budget processor.
>
> Who is selling a Duron 1800MHz in the UK at a good price? Dabs.com
> is doing them for £32 plus about £2 P&P. http://snipurl.com/5hgb
>
> For £39 they sell an Athlon 1800+ which seems much better value.
> Or not? http://snipurl.com/5hga
>

Ebuyer have the Duron 1800 for £28.19 plus p&p.

 

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Piotr Makley wrote:


> Do you know where I can find power consumption figures for the
> Palomino's?

http://www.sandpile.org/

XP2100 Palomino is listed at 64W typ 74W peak.

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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:18:47 +0100, Piotr Makley wrote:

> Wes Newell <w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>> Do you know where I can find power consumption figures for
>>> the Palomino's?
>>
>> www.amd.com, but it draws considerably more power than the
>> newer cores, and it won't clock near as high, about 1800MHz
>> tops. IOW's, you don't want one. Get a Tbred B core or a
>> barton core.
>
> I think my Via KT266 chipset doesn't support T-bred or Barton. I
> think I am limited to only Palomino.
>
You think wrong. The KT266(A) chipset will support any AMD Athlon/Duron
cpu. Any. And while it will run any, the FSB is limited. Tbred and Barton
cores also run fine on the very first socket A VIA chipset, the KT133,
which you see below. As will the newer cores. See link in sig.

> Do you know where on the AMD site it has info on Duron power
> consumption. This is the closest I got:
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?A59E11CE7
>
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_1202_2979,00.html

> ISTR there is also a chart on a private website with all the data on

Probably, search.

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Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

 

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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 22:38:30 GMT, Wes Newell <w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net>
wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:18:47 +0100, Piotr Makley wrote:
>
>> Wes Newell <w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Do you know where I can find power consumption figures for
>>>> the Palomino's?
>>>
>>> www.amd.com, but it draws considerably more power than the
>>> newer cores, and it won't clock near as high, about 1800MHz
>>> tops. IOW's, you don't want one. Get a Tbred B core or a
>>> barton core.
>>
>> I think my Via KT266 chipset doesn't support T-bred or Barton. I
>> think I am limited to only Palomino.
>>
>You think wrong. The KT266(A) chipset will support any AMD Athlon/Duron
>cpu. Any. And while it will run any, the FSB is limited. Tbred and Barton
>cores also run fine on the very first socket A VIA chipset, the KT133,
>which you see below. As will the newer cores. See link in sig.

That is not true. AMD changed the specs for signaling, which some boards
may not have incorporated until after KT266A. TBred and Barton CPUs will
most definitely not run on all "first socket A Via chipset" boards, it has
nothing to do with FSB speed or voltage, bios support. The fact that
"some" boards will run them, does not mean that ALL boards will.