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AMD Ultrathin Notebooks Could be Priced Down to $549

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June 12, 2012 12:19:32 AM

If it's better for gaming than an ivy bridge ulv + dedicated gpu at a substantially lower price AND in a nice premium chassis like current ultrabooks then consider me converted to AMD for my mobile gaming needs xD
June 12, 2012 12:32:42 AM

Samsung Series 5 AMD Ultrathin: A6-4455M with 500GB HDD: $599
Samsung Series 5 Intel Ultrabook: i5-3317U with 500GB HDD and SSD cache: $699

AMD is lying when they say the price difference is significant, unless they sacrifice on build quality to do it. The SSD cache on the top is responsible for $50 difference and the CPU another $50. When you go with Sandy Bridge i3 like the 2367M it costs $50 less. Likely Ivy Bridge i3 coming later will do the same.
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June 12, 2012 12:34:54 AM

wasabiman321If it's better for gaming than an ivy bridge ulv + dedicated gpu at a substantially lower price AND in a nice premium chassis like current ultrabooks then consider me converted to AMD for my mobile gaming needs xD


This. I would actually consider getting a 17W Trinity and high-res display (over 1080p) for around 700$.

I would be happy if AMD offered a 17W part that mostly cuts the igp performance to get to that TDP, since I don't want to game on my notebook, and I believe igp performance would still be very good even for >1080p res
June 12, 2012 12:42:50 AM

DavidC1Samsung Series 5 AMD Ultrathin: A6-4455M with 500GB HDD: $599Samsung Series 5 Intel Ultrabook: i5-3317U with 500GB HDD and SSD cache: $699AMD is lying when they say the price difference is significant, unless they sacrifice on build quality to do it. The SSD cache on the top is responsible for $50 difference and the CPU another $50. When you go with Sandy Bridge i3 like the 2367M it costs $50 less. Likely Ivy Bridge i3 coming later will do the same.



Pricing is considerably different around the world.
For the above systems you mentioned, here they run for $999 and $1199 respectively.

We have some of the highest priced computer components in the world.. Like the GTX690 for $1600...
Proof:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPa...
http://arc.com.au/pub.php?gid=23519&p=group&s_sort_stoc...

Similar laptop to your above, BUT last generation AMD system:
http://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers/asus/15-inch-noteboo...


I hate pricing here. -.-
June 12, 2012 12:59:08 AM

joytech22Pricing is considerably different around the world.For the above systems you mentioned, here they run for $999 and $1199 respectively.We have some of the highest priced computer components in the world.. Like the GTX690 for $1600...Proof: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.ph [...] h=193_1385http://arc.com.au/pub.php?gid=2351 [...] inc%2CdescSimilar laptop to your above, BUT last generation AMD system:http://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers [...] sku-86130/I hate pricing here. -.-


I need to move to Australia and set up a Computer wholesale business. I would make a killing.
June 12, 2012 12:59:10 AM

It's funny really. Intel keeps pushing ultrabook makers to lower costs but continues to sell its CPU's at prices of over $200. i5 3427m is $225. If AMD sells it processors at $100 less it could really do well. Especially for the cheaper ultrabooks ($500 to $600 range).
June 12, 2012 1:00:23 AM

If it reach price $499. I am game!
June 12, 2012 1:19:23 AM

Having trouble seeing how a part that costs 50$ less then the Ivy Bridge counterpart can create a 200+$ price gap in machines.
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June 12, 2012 1:52:41 AM

Basically, AMD does not have restrictions on "Ultrathin" machines, unlike Ultrabooks that have a set of conditions. this is why AMD machines can be much cheaper than intel's offerings, it sounds like in different countries, they are trying to sell Intel's ultrabooks at bare bone price (At $699) while an AMD ($599) would still have some leeway.
The main thing that would put AMD infront though is, if a) The Processing speed is high enough on the APU to not see a big difference between Intels machines (So anything with above 1 second lag during general tasks) If AMD's CPU lags in general tasks, then they will fail
and B) The better Graphics, Thermals and Price trifecta, Since Intel's move to Tim, i would not buy Ivy bridge. They are trying to find way to cut costs. Also if AMD's Graphics are indeed good enough for everything (unlike intel) Then indeed, 99% of users would be better off with an APU
Anonymous
June 12, 2012 2:30:56 AM

I am curious to see how AMD does graphics wise on 17W systems. Their graphics advantage is only slight when compared against mobile HD4000 as it stands. It would appear they have to drastically reduce the clock rate to get the power down. I'm not sure the graphics performance will be any better on Trinity at 17W than on ULV ultrabooks.
June 12, 2012 2:41:34 AM

Let the pricing war begin! May the best value laptop win.

I'd rather prefer to get a standard laptop to save cost and get better performance. However, if the ultrathin rivals standard laptops on most categories, then I'll buy it, and turn it into a stationary computer (when I'm not on the move) with extra cooling, and OC it (because I can).
Anonymous
June 12, 2012 2:41:40 AM

thats not true, Trinity is about 50% Higher, The thing about trinity is it scales down (Like you said) as you go down in part numbers. in that being said the HD 4000 is only in Intel's top priced parts currently, and will not be in ULV models (Denoted by a Q or whatever) I believe the 25W Envelope is where the 4000 Ends. It is said Intel is putting the 2500 HD or something similar in the Chips under 25W (It may be even under 35W some-one will need to confirm it for me). Anyways, it's likely the 17 (Well now it says 18W) will have the Same performance as Llano, if thats anything to go by
June 12, 2012 2:45:34 AM

I've been completely unimpressed with the ultrabooks I've used so far. The hot and noisy one (Toshiba) has been the worst of the bunch. My Asus 1201N netbook is better than that thing. The Dell XPS ultrabook is better, but so horribly under powered, hot to touch, and saddled with an annoying touchpad. I hope AMD can work with its partners to come up with something nice. I could be convinced to get rid of my netbook if this happens.
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June 12, 2012 2:56:35 AM

Im not impressed with Intel moving to Tim, basically the reduced thermal transfer has caused to almost completely eliminate the benefits of moving to 22nm, with Top End Sandy Bridge over clocking higher than the Top end Ivy Bridge (Without putting very expensive coolers on it). The HD Intel series has never been good enough, is only just barely comming into Good enough now. While trinity is, But still, i cannot see AMD APU's being good at 17W this year, maybe next year, i have seen Llano Laptops and even the good ones are far too slow on the CPU. I think The Steamroller Core and GCN will put AMD out of ARM's reach for a few years, and unless intel can find another 100% increase in graphics, they will also snatch more market share off intel aswell
June 12, 2012 4:09:06 AM

KamabHaving trouble seeing how a part that costs 50$ less then the Ivy Bridge counterpart can create a 200+$ price gap in machines.

Well, go to new egg and price comparable cpu's, motherboards, and memory for an AMD vs. Intel build. You will already see more of a price difference than just the cpu. Now add a graphics subsystem for the Intel system (the AMD system doesn't need one because it's integrated in the cpu). Now are you starting to see the light?

By the way, I know the article is about laptops not desktop systems, but the lesson is easier understood when looking a building a desktop, and then extrapolating to laptops.
June 12, 2012 4:37:52 AM

wasabiman321If it's better for gaming than an ivy bridge ulv + dedicated gpu at a substantially lower price AND in a nice premium chassis like current ultrabooks then consider me converted to AMD for my mobile gaming needs xD


If you play pong and tetris! You gamers are lamers!
June 12, 2012 5:08:09 AM

I would love to see an ultrathin 17" notebook while they're at it, if they would be so kind.
June 12, 2012 7:00:08 AM

There is nothing to keep OEMs from selling a 17w celeron ultrathin in the same price range.

The ultrabook vs AMD ultrathin is a false dichotomy, and apples to oranges. AMD could offer high end thins(without the trademark ultrabook label) and Intel could offer low end thins.
June 12, 2012 8:19:01 AM

AMD has a real opportunity to outsell Intel 2 to 1, if they get their game straight.
June 12, 2012 10:01:33 AM

... AMD will be the winner in this... and even get better, when OpenCL goes more mainstream...
June 12, 2012 1:53:48 PM

Things like this are the only thing I can think of that explain some of the strange announcements coming out of AMD these days. They are essentially bailing out of the desktop market and switching to mobility as their primary focus and with the projected growth and flexibility of mobile devices they may not be wrong (still doesn't let them off the hook for bulldozer though).
June 12, 2012 4:03:39 PM

Heck, if Ultrathin notebooks can provide just as solid quality as Ultrabooks, then that's one heck of a competitor.
Anonymous
June 12, 2012 4:50:29 PM

"thats not true, Trinity is about 50% Higher, The thing about trinity is it scales down (Like you said) as you go down in part numbers. in that being said the HD 4000 is only in Intel's top priced parts currently, and will not be in ULV models (Denoted by a Q or whatever) I believe the 25W Envelope is where the 4000 Ends. It is said Intel is putting the 2500 HD or something similar in the Chips under 25W (It may be even under 35W some-one will need to confirm it for me). Anyways, it's likely the 17 (Well now it says 18W) will have the Same performance as Llano, if thats anything to go by
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According to Anand, it was overall about 15% faster. Anand also did a test of the 17W parts and they were definitely HD4000. Even Anand wondered if AMD's low power GPUs would actually be faster than the ULV parts from Intel. I will probably get reduced for not kissing AMD butt, but this is what Anand said. Sorry to disappoint you.
Anonymous
June 12, 2012 4:57:30 PM

Actually, I lied, HD4000 won on most benchmarks using the N56VM vs. the Trinity prototype http://www.anandtech.com/show/5843/asus-zenbook-prime-u...
and apparently Intel has a new driver they have not benchmarked yet.

downgrade me if you want, but those are the results and that was against a system setup pretty well to benchmark (the Trinity prototype).
June 12, 2012 6:16:06 PM

I could definitely see myself getting an Ultrathin, especially at these prices.
June 12, 2012 7:39:44 PM

I wouldn't complain about ultrabooks being $700+ if they were priced like that everywhere and didn't sacrifice on build quality.

Reviewed the XPS 13 recently and just received the ivy-based Aspire S3 today. There always have a bunch of major flaws that totally turn me off.

For $1000+ you either pay for performance or luxury. If you get neither, that kind of sucks. I can live with a ULV proc with a weak IGP if all i'm doing is working on it, but it shouldn't burn my leg or something. And I still haven't seen a better trackpad and gesture control than apple's macbooks.

Honestly if a Macbook was cheaper and ran windows natively i'd buy it tomorrow.

And i'm not complaining if AMD do a solid job for much less. We know their IGP is great, if they got fixed-function transcoding working then i think that's all you need from a thin and light device.
June 13, 2012 12:16:07 AM

They could be priced down to 299 too!
They can do it with netbooks, I see no reason why not with ultra portables?

They're just a fancy name for the same thing, with a bigger screen more ram and a better processor than a netbook.
June 13, 2012 4:42:11 AM

ProDigit10with a bigger screen more ram and a better processor than a netbook.

lol that's why they're more expensive :p 
Anonymous
June 15, 2012 4:47:03 AM

australia is over taxed and over priced!! this place sucks balls
June 16, 2012 1:06:21 PM

AnonymousActually, I lied, HD4000 won on most benchmarks using the N56VM vs. the Trinity prototype http://www.anandtech.com/show/5843 [...] a-review/6and apparently Intel has a new driver they have not benchmarked yet. downgrade me if you want, but those are the results and that was against a system setup pretty well to benchmark (the Trinity prototype).


45w vs 35w parts. I'll say no more.
June 16, 2012 1:10:44 PM

Quote:
According to Anand, it was overall about 15% faster. Anand also did a test of the 17W parts and they were definitely HD4000. Even Anand wondered if AMD's low power GPUs would actually be faster than the ULV parts from Intel. I will probably get reduced for not kissing AMD butt, but this is what Anand said. Sorry to disappoint you.
June 27, 2012 9:55:38 PM

Perfect. I need a new laptop to replace my conked out MSI. -_-
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