Have an NF7-S - going to replace it with ??????

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Hey all,

My buddy wants me to build him a new machine. I am going to put my NF7-S
rev 2.0 board in his box.


What should I be looking at as a replacement for mine? Haven't kept up for
the last few months so I dont know whats out there.

AN7 ???
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  1. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd (More info?)

    > My buddy wants me to build him a new machine. I am going to put my NF7-S
    > rev 2.0 board in his box.

    > What should I be looking at as a replacement for mine? Haven't kept up for
    > the last few months so I dont know whats out there.

    I don´t think there´s anything better than the NF7-S, except you want an
    Athlon 64
  2. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd (More info?)

    I was thinking about going with an athlon 64, and mobo, but the prices still
    seem pretty high for not much of a performance boost.

    will the athlon 64 be better for video encoding? i tried making some dvds
    of old vhs tapes, and it takes forever on my XP3200

    the the athlon 64's still use pc3200 ram?

    "Josef Varela" <darkpepe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:kxt91f98nl35.chwlb9evg3id$.dlg@40tude.net...
    > > My buddy wants me to build him a new machine. I am going to put my
    NF7-S
    > > rev 2.0 board in his box.
    >
    > > What should I be looking at as a replacement for mine? Haven't kept up
    for
    > > the last few months so I dont know whats out there.
    >
    > I don´t think there´s anything better than the NF7-S, except you want an
    > Athlon 64
  3. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd (More info?)

    "Josef Varela" <darkpepe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:kxt91f98nl35.chwlb9evg3id$.dlg@40tude.net...
    > > My buddy wants me to build him a new machine. I am going to put my
    NF7-S
    > > rev 2.0 board in his box.
    >
    > > What should I be looking at as a replacement for mine? Haven't kept up
    for
    > > the last few months so I dont know whats out there.
    >
    > I don´t think there´s anything better than the NF7-S, except you want an
    > Athlon 64


    The DFI's are good for ultra-high FSB's (265 MHz without raising a sweat)
    and get great timings from high (3.3) v-dimm.
    They're limited to 2.0v-core - but it doesn't really impact your max clock
    by more than 20 - 30 gross MHz.
    A64's don't overclock well and die at the drop of a hat - and of course,
    cost the Earth.
  4. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd (More info?)

    See within your post:

    "ZigZag Master" <zigzagSPAMMYmaster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:2gvev3F7dkerU1@uni-berlin.de...
    > I was thinking about going with an athlon 64, and mobo, but the prices
    still
    > seem pretty high for not much of a performance boost.

    Actually, the boost is more than you might think.
    http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q2/opteron-x50/index.x?pg=4
    (scroll down to the bottom graphic and note that the AMD64 chips even best
    the Opteron chips in this category.

    >
    > will the athlon 64 be better for video encoding? i tried making some dvds
    > of old vhs tapes, and it takes forever on my XP3200

    That is a problem with your HD and not enough RAM. I recommend 2 gigs of
    DDRAM minimum for these endeavors.

    >
    > the the athlon 64's still use pc3200 ram?

    Yes, and it can even use PC2700 ram if it is high enough quality. :o)


    >
  5. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd (More info?)

    > A64's don't overclock well and die at the drop of a hat - and of course,
    > cost the Earth.
    >

    That is total BULLSHIT

    PLONK!
  6. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd (More info?)

    Wayne wrote:
    > That is a problem with your HD and not enough RAM. I
    > recommend 2 gigs ofDDRAM minimum for these endeavors.

    Generally, a modern HDD is not the bottleneck unless it is
    fragmented. In my unscientific experiments with an XP2500+
    and MPEG-2 encoding with the MainConcept encoder, memory
    bandwidth was the limiting factor. That is, raising the FSB at a
    lower multiplier showed a decent improvement. A higher
    multiplier alone showed almost no improvement. And I believe
    a GB of memory will do just fine.
  7. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd (More info?)

    The DFI NF2 Ultra Infinity I had would not go much over 220FSB with any
    stability...even using the 'Beta' BIOS's that everyone appears to need to
    get decent performance out of the board. I think the problem is memory, I
    was using 2 x 512MB of Corsair XMS3500 (BH-5)....but to get real high FSB's
    you need to run only 2 x 256MB modules, not much use if you're into video
    encoding. Additionally the DFI does not have room for really big heatsinks
    and many report problems with the firewire and LAN, also performance is
    lower than the NF7 at similar FSB and clock speed.
    I also tried two AN7's and they overclock worse than either the NF7 or
    DFI....in fact I could not even get 200FSB with the CPU Interface setting
    enabled.....definitely keep clear of the AN7 if you want performance &
    overclocking.

    I went back to my NF7-S....still the best performance/overclocking/all-round
    Socket A board on offer...in my opinion...If I were you I'd keep the NF7-S
    --
    *****Replace 'NOSPAM' with 'btinternet' in the reply address*****
    "Scumball" <scumball@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    news:c8e5mb$gvk$1@titan.btinternet.com...
    >
    > "Josef Varela" <darkpepe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:kxt91f98nl35.chwlb9evg3id$.dlg@40tude.net...
    > > > My buddy wants me to build him a new machine. I am going to put my
    > NF7-S
    > > > rev 2.0 board in his box.
    > >
    > > > What should I be looking at as a replacement for mine? Haven't kept
    up
    > for
    > > > the last few months so I dont know whats out there.
    > >
    > > I don´t think there´s anything better than the NF7-S, except you want an
    > > Athlon 64
    >
    >
    > The DFI's are good for ultra-high FSB's (265 MHz without raising a sweat)
    > and get great timings from high (3.3) v-dimm.
    > They're limited to 2.0v-core - but it doesn't really impact your max clock
    > by more than 20 - 30 gross MHz.
    > A64's don't overclock well and die at the drop of a hat - and of course,
    > cost the Earth.
    >
    >
  8. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd (More info?)

    On Tue, 18 May 2004 23:19:39 +0000 (UTC), "Scumball"
    <scumball@btinternet.com> wrote:

    >A64's don't overclock well and die at the drop of a hat - and of course,
    >cost the Earth.

    Put down the crack pipe!
  9. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd (More info?)

    Agree.

    I went from an NF7-S to a DFI Ultra Infinity.

    - the first was DOA
    - the second wouldn't do > 200FSB and died when my video card went kapoot
    - the third does more like 230FSB, and may be limited by my memory from
    doing more

    So I think there's an element of potluck involved. A quick search of the
    relevant forums shows a lot of problems with the boards manufactured outside
    of Taiwan (warped ZIF sockets etc) and issues with SATA performance.
    Heatsink clearance due to both CPU socket placement (it's ridiculous) and
    compenent clearances can also be an issue. There hasn't been an official
    BIOS release since last November and a number of the beta bioses (apart from
    invalidating your warranty) seem to kill a large number of boards.

    However...

    - there's no doubt that a good one, with the right BIOS and components, goes
    like a scalded cat
    - there's clearance enough for my Maze 4 block on the CPU socket
    - there are 4 SATA sockets compared to NF7-S' 2
    - it's inexpensive (board #3 was £48)
    - it doesn't need a socket wire mod to hit high FSBs with an XP-M like the
    NF7 does.
    - it doesn't appear to have the SATA corruption issues that some NF7's did
    - it doesn't have the 10x and 10.5 multiplier issue with 1T memory timings
    that NF7's did/do.

    Your money, your vote.

    FWIW, if board #3 dies I'll probably go back to an NF7-S. At least Abit
    update the bios occasionally.

    HTH


    "BigBadger" <big_badger@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
    news:c8et11$p5$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
    > The DFI NF2 Ultra Infinity I had would not go much over 220FSB with any
    > stability...even using the 'Beta' BIOS's that everyone appears to need to
    > get decent performance out of the board. I think the problem is memory, I
    > was using 2 x 512MB of Corsair XMS3500 (BH-5)....but to get real high
    FSB's
    > you need to run only 2 x 256MB modules, not much use if you're into video
    > encoding. Additionally the DFI does not have room for really big heatsinks
    > and many report problems with the firewire and LAN, also performance is
    > lower than the NF7 at similar FSB and clock speed.
    > I also tried two AN7's and they overclock worse than either the NF7 or
    > DFI....in fact I could not even get 200FSB with the CPU Interface setting
    > enabled.....definitely keep clear of the AN7 if you want performance &
    > overclocking.
    >
    > I went back to my NF7-S....still the best
    performance/overclocking/all-round
    > Socket A board on offer...in my opinion...If I were you I'd keep the NF7-S
    > --
    > *****Replace 'NOSPAM' with 'btinternet' in the reply address*****
    > "Scumball" <scumball@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    > news:c8e5mb$gvk$1@titan.btinternet.com...
    > >
    > > "Josef Varela" <darkpepe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:kxt91f98nl35.chwlb9evg3id$.dlg@40tude.net...
    > > > > My buddy wants me to build him a new machine. I am going to put my
    > > NF7-S
    > > > > rev 2.0 board in his box.
    > > >
    > > > > What should I be looking at as a replacement for mine? Haven't kept
    > up
    > > for
    > > > > the last few months so I dont know whats out there.
    > > >
    > > > I don´t think there´s anything better than the NF7-S, except you want
    an
    > > > Athlon 64
    > >
    > >
    > > The DFI's are good for ultra-high FSB's (265 MHz without raising a
    sweat)
    > > and get great timings from high (3.3) v-dimm.
    > > They're limited to 2.0v-core - but it doesn't really impact your max
    clock
    > > by more than 20 - 30 gross MHz.
    > > A64's don't overclock well and die at the drop of a hat - and of course,
    > > cost the Earth.
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
  10. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd (More info?)

    I've had 3 DFI's - and they all cracked 250 FSB with ease.
    Yes, there's an element of sudden cot-death risk with DFI - but high FSB's
    are guaranteed with 12/31 BIOS and turning off CPC (loses around 0.5-1%
    bandwidth).

    "anthonyi" <anthony.i67_xxx@ntlworld_xxx.com> wrote in message
    news:w%Zqc.19$wm4.16@newsfe3-gui...
    > Agree.
    >
    > I went from an NF7-S to a DFI Ultra Infinity.
    >
    > - the first was DOA
    > - the second wouldn't do > 200FSB and died when my video card went kapoot
    > - the third does more like 230FSB, and may be limited by my memory from
    > doing more
    >
    > So I think there's an element of potluck involved. A quick search of the
    > relevant forums shows a lot of problems with the boards manufactured
    outside
    > of Taiwan (warped ZIF sockets etc) and issues with SATA performance.
    > Heatsink clearance due to both CPU socket placement (it's ridiculous) and
    > compenent clearances can also be an issue. There hasn't been an official
    > BIOS release since last November and a number of the beta bioses (apart
    from
    > invalidating your warranty) seem to kill a large number of boards.
    >
    > However...
    >
    > - there's no doubt that a good one, with the right BIOS and components,
    goes
    > like a scalded cat
    > - there's clearance enough for my Maze 4 block on the CPU socket
    > - there are 4 SATA sockets compared to NF7-S' 2
    > - it's inexpensive (board #3 was £48)
    > - it doesn't need a socket wire mod to hit high FSBs with an XP-M like the
    > NF7 does.
    > - it doesn't appear to have the SATA corruption issues that some NF7's did
    > - it doesn't have the 10x and 10.5 multiplier issue with 1T memory timings
    > that NF7's did/do.
    >
    > Your money, your vote.
    >
    > FWIW, if board #3 dies I'll probably go back to an NF7-S. At least Abit
    > update the bios occasionally.
    >
    > HTH
    >
    >
    >
    > "BigBadger" <big_badger@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
    > news:c8et11$p5$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
    > > The DFI NF2 Ultra Infinity I had would not go much over 220FSB with any
    > > stability...even using the 'Beta' BIOS's that everyone appears to need
    to
    > > get decent performance out of the board. I think the problem is memory,
    I
    > > was using 2 x 512MB of Corsair XMS3500 (BH-5)....but to get real high
    > FSB's
    > > you need to run only 2 x 256MB modules, not much use if you're into
    video
    > > encoding. Additionally the DFI does not have room for really big
    heatsinks
    > > and many report problems with the firewire and LAN, also performance is
    > > lower than the NF7 at similar FSB and clock speed.
    > > I also tried two AN7's and they overclock worse than either the NF7 or
    > > DFI....in fact I could not even get 200FSB with the CPU Interface
    setting
    > > enabled.....definitely keep clear of the AN7 if you want performance &
    > > overclocking.
    > >
    > > I went back to my NF7-S....still the best
    > performance/overclocking/all-round
    > > Socket A board on offer...in my opinion...If I were you I'd keep the
    NF7-S
    > > --
    > > *****Replace 'NOSPAM' with 'btinternet' in the reply address*****
    > > "Scumball" <scumball@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    > > news:c8e5mb$gvk$1@titan.btinternet.com...
    > > >
    > > > "Josef Varela" <darkpepe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:kxt91f98nl35.chwlb9evg3id$.dlg@40tude.net...
    > > > > > My buddy wants me to build him a new machine. I am going to put
    my
    > > > NF7-S
    > > > > > rev 2.0 board in his box.
    > > > >
    > > > > > What should I be looking at as a replacement for mine? Haven't
    kept
    > > up
    > > > for
    > > > > > the last few months so I dont know whats out there.
    > > > >
    > > > > I don´t think there´s anything better than the NF7-S, except you
    want
    > an
    > > > > Athlon 64
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > The DFI's are good for ultra-high FSB's (265 MHz without raising a
    > sweat)
    > > > and get great timings from high (3.3) v-dimm.
    > > > They're limited to 2.0v-core - but it doesn't really impact your max
    > clock
    > > > by more than 20 - 30 gross MHz.
    > > > A64's don't overclock well and die at the drop of a hat - and of
    course,
    > > > cost the Earth.
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
  11. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd (More info?)

    Your experience is better than mine. I was hoping for that sort of
    performance but, certainly with the second board, no combination of voltages
    and memory timings would get it above 200FSB although I was using the 1/21
    and 1/31 beta bioses, not 12/31. Using the original offical bios I was
    unable to get past 185FSB. I've provided a few details below, in case
    anything strikes you as to why I'm not at, say 240FSB.

    - My cooling is adequate - Danger Den water - and temps at 2.7GHz (12*225)
    on my third board are at around 42c, full load.

    - My memory is Mushkin using BH-6 chips - not as good as BH-5 but most sites
    seem to be able to produce up to 245FSB with these DIMMS. I have got 2*512MB
    DIMMS running dual channel at 11-2-2-2 CPC enabled at 225FSB currently.
    Memtest stable. vdimm=3.0v, more voltage doesn't seem to help...neither does
    turning CPC off (it dramatically reduces incidence of memtest errors (test
    #5) but does not eliminate them even at vdimm=3.3v)

    - BIOS is 1/31 beta.

    - Processor is XP-M 2500+ @ 1.95 vcore

    - chipset is at 1.6v (increases don't seem to help), cooling via a Microcool
    Northpole.

    - chipsinks on the MOSFETs for cpu, agp and ram

    - ram ratio is 1:1

    - agp clock at 66.

    Would love some help to increase my FSB if you have any ideas.

    Cheers.
    Anthony

    PS - still not crazy about the CPU socket placement and BIOS sudden death
    problems though!


    "Scumball" <scumball@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    news:c8hr64$snf$1@titan.btinternet.com...
    > I've had 3 DFI's - and they all cracked 250 FSB with ease.
    > Yes, there's an element of sudden cot-death risk with DFI - but high FSB's
    > are guaranteed with 12/31 BIOS and turning off CPC (loses around 0.5-1%
    > bandwidth).
    >
    > "anthonyi" <anthony.i67_xxx@ntlworld_xxx.com> wrote in message
    > news:w%Zqc.19$wm4.16@newsfe3-gui...
    > > Agree.
    > >
    > > I went from an NF7-S to a DFI Ultra Infinity.
    > >
    > > - the first was DOA
    > > - the second wouldn't do > 200FSB and died when my video card went
    kapoot
    > > - the third does more like 230FSB, and may be limited by my memory from
    > > doing more
    > >
    > > So I think there's an element of potluck involved. A quick search of the
    > > relevant forums shows a lot of problems with the boards manufactured
    > outside
    > > of Taiwan (warped ZIF sockets etc) and issues with SATA performance.
    > > Heatsink clearance due to both CPU socket placement (it's ridiculous)
    and
    > > compenent clearances can also be an issue. There hasn't been an official
    > > BIOS release since last November and a number of the beta bioses (apart
    > from
    > > invalidating your warranty) seem to kill a large number of boards.
    > >
    > > However...
    > >
    > > - there's no doubt that a good one, with the right BIOS and components,
    > goes
    > > like a scalded cat
    > > - there's clearance enough for my Maze 4 block on the CPU socket
    > > - there are 4 SATA sockets compared to NF7-S' 2
    > > - it's inexpensive (board #3 was £48)
    > > - it doesn't need a socket wire mod to hit high FSBs with an XP-M like
    the
    > > NF7 does.
    > > - it doesn't appear to have the SATA corruption issues that some NF7's
    did
    > > - it doesn't have the 10x and 10.5 multiplier issue with 1T memory
    timings
    > > that NF7's did/do.
    > >
    > > Your money, your vote.
    > >
    > > FWIW, if board #3 dies I'll probably go back to an NF7-S. At least Abit
    > > update the bios occasionally.
    > >
    > > HTH
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "BigBadger" <big_badger@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
    > > news:c8et11$p5$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
    > > > The DFI NF2 Ultra Infinity I had would not go much over 220FSB with
    any
    > > > stability...even using the 'Beta' BIOS's that everyone appears to need
    > to
    > > > get decent performance out of the board. I think the problem is
    memory,
    > I
    > > > was using 2 x 512MB of Corsair XMS3500 (BH-5)....but to get real high
    > > FSB's
    > > > you need to run only 2 x 256MB modules, not much use if you're into
    > video
    > > > encoding. Additionally the DFI does not have room for really big
    > heatsinks
    > > > and many report problems with the firewire and LAN, also performance
    is
    > > > lower than the NF7 at similar FSB and clock speed.
    > > > I also tried two AN7's and they overclock worse than either the NF7 or
    > > > DFI....in fact I could not even get 200FSB with the CPU Interface
    > setting
    > > > enabled.....definitely keep clear of the AN7 if you want performance &
    > > > overclocking.
    > > >
    > > > I went back to my NF7-S....still the best
    > > performance/overclocking/all-round
    > > > Socket A board on offer...in my opinion...If I were you I'd keep the
    > NF7-S
    > > > --
    > > > *****Replace 'NOSPAM' with 'btinternet' in the reply address*****
    > > > "Scumball" <scumball@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:c8e5mb$gvk$1@titan.btinternet.com...
    > > > >
    > > > > "Josef Varela" <darkpepe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > > > news:kxt91f98nl35.chwlb9evg3id$.dlg@40tude.net...
    > > > > > > My buddy wants me to build him a new machine. I am going to put
    > my
    > > > > NF7-S
    > > > > > > rev 2.0 board in his box.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > > What should I be looking at as a replacement for mine? Haven't
    > kept
    > > > up
    > > > > for
    > > > > > > the last few months so I dont know whats out there.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I don´t think there´s anything better than the NF7-S, except you
    > want
    > > an
    > > > > > Athlon 64
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > The DFI's are good for ultra-high FSB's (265 MHz without raising a
    > > sweat)
    > > > > and get great timings from high (3.3) v-dimm.
    > > > > They're limited to 2.0v-core - but it doesn't really impact your max
    > > clock
    > > > > by more than 20 - 30 gross MHz.
    > > > > A64's don't overclock well and die at the drop of a hat - and of
    > course,
    > > > > cost the Earth.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
  12. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd (More info?)

    "anthonyi" <anthony.i67_xxx@ntlworld_xxx.com> wrote in message
    news:sO%qc.24$wm4.3@newsfe3-gui...
    > Your experience is better than mine. I was hoping for that sort of
    > performance but, certainly with the second board, no combination of
    voltages
    > and memory timings would get it above 200FSB although I was using the 1/21
    > and 1/31 beta bioses, not 12/31. Using the original offical bios I was
    > unable to get past 185FSB. I've provided a few details below, in case
    > anything strikes you as to why I'm not at, say 240FSB.
    >
    > - My cooling is adequate - Danger Den water - and temps at 2.7GHz (12*225)
    > on my third board are at around 42c, full load.
    >
    > - My memory is Mushkin using BH-6 chips - not as good as BH-5 but most
    sites
    > seem to be able to produce up to 245FSB with these DIMMS. I have got
    2*512MB
    > DIMMS running dual channel at 11-2-2-2 CPC enabled


    Drop your CAS to 3.0


    at 225FSB currently.
    > Memtest stable. vdimm=3.0v, more voltage doesn't seem to help...neither
    does
    > turning CPC off (it dramatically reduces incidence of memtest errors (test
    > #5) but does not eliminate them even at vdimm=3.3v)
    >
    > - BIOS is 1/31 beta.
    >
    > - Processor is XP-M 2500+ @ 1.95 vcore
    >
    > - chipset is at 1.6v (increases don't seem to help), cooling via a
    Microcool
    > Northpole.


    Bad move - the best cooling is the stock sink with the stock thermal tape
    and a small fan.
    If you're using goop, the concavity of the chip may mean your NB is
    overheating .... does the sink get warm ?


    >
    > - chipsinks on the MOSFETs for cpu, agp and ram
    >
    > - ram ratio is 1:1
    >
    > - agp clock at 66.
    >
    > Would love some help to increase my FSB if you have any ideas.


    Try enabling fastwrites.


    >
    > Cheers.
    > Anthony
    >
    > PS - still not crazy about the CPU socket placement and BIOS sudden death
    > problems though!
    >
    >
    >
    > "Scumball" <scumball@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    > news:c8hr64$snf$1@titan.btinternet.com...
    > > I've had 3 DFI's - and they all cracked 250 FSB with ease.
    > > Yes, there's an element of sudden cot-death risk with DFI - but high
    FSB's
    > > are guaranteed with 12/31 BIOS and turning off CPC (loses around 0.5-1%
    > > bandwidth).
    > >
    > > "anthonyi" <anthony.i67_xxx@ntlworld_xxx.com> wrote in message
    > > news:w%Zqc.19$wm4.16@newsfe3-gui...
    > > > Agree.
    > > >
    > > > I went from an NF7-S to a DFI Ultra Infinity.
    > > >
    > > > - the first was DOA
    > > > - the second wouldn't do > 200FSB and died when my video card went
    > kapoot
    > > > - the third does more like 230FSB, and may be limited by my memory
    from
    > > > doing more
    > > >
    > > > So I think there's an element of potluck involved. A quick search of
    the
    > > > relevant forums shows a lot of problems with the boards manufactured
    > > outside
    > > > of Taiwan (warped ZIF sockets etc) and issues with SATA performance.
    > > > Heatsink clearance due to both CPU socket placement (it's ridiculous)
    > and
    > > > compenent clearances can also be an issue. There hasn't been an
    official
    > > > BIOS release since last November and a number of the beta bioses
    (apart
    > > from
    > > > invalidating your warranty) seem to kill a large number of boards.
    > > >
    > > > However...
    > > >
    > > > - there's no doubt that a good one, with the right BIOS and
    components,
    > > goes
    > > > like a scalded cat
    > > > - there's clearance enough for my Maze 4 block on the CPU socket
    > > > - there are 4 SATA sockets compared to NF7-S' 2
    > > > - it's inexpensive (board #3 was £48)
    > > > - it doesn't need a socket wire mod to hit high FSBs with an XP-M like
    > the
    > > > NF7 does.
    > > > - it doesn't appear to have the SATA corruption issues that some NF7's
    > did
    > > > - it doesn't have the 10x and 10.5 multiplier issue with 1T memory
    > timings
    > > > that NF7's did/do.
    > > >
    > > > Your money, your vote.
    > > >
    > > > FWIW, if board #3 dies I'll probably go back to an NF7-S. At least
    Abit
    > > > update the bios occasionally.
    > > >
    > > > HTH
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "BigBadger" <big_badger@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:c8et11$p5$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
    > > > > The DFI NF2 Ultra Infinity I had would not go much over 220FSB with
    > any
    > > > > stability...even using the 'Beta' BIOS's that everyone appears to
    need
    > > to
    > > > > get decent performance out of the board. I think the problem is
    > memory,
    > > I
    > > > > was using 2 x 512MB of Corsair XMS3500 (BH-5)....but to get real
    high
    > > > FSB's
    > > > > you need to run only 2 x 256MB modules, not much use if you're into
    > > video
    > > > > encoding. Additionally the DFI does not have room for really big
    > > heatsinks
    > > > > and many report problems with the firewire and LAN, also performance
    > is
    > > > > lower than the NF7 at similar FSB and clock speed.
    > > > > I also tried two AN7's and they overclock worse than either the NF7
    or
    > > > > DFI....in fact I could not even get 200FSB with the CPU Interface
    > > setting
    > > > > enabled.....definitely keep clear of the AN7 if you want performance
    &
    > > > > overclocking.
    > > > >
    > > > > I went back to my NF7-S....still the best
    > > > performance/overclocking/all-round
    > > > > Socket A board on offer...in my opinion...If I were you I'd keep the
    > > NF7-S
    > > > > --
    > > > > *****Replace 'NOSPAM' with 'btinternet' in the reply address*****
    > > > > "Scumball" <scumball@btinternet.com> wrote in message
    > > > > news:c8e5mb$gvk$1@titan.btinternet.com...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Josef Varela" <darkpepe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:kxt91f98nl35.chwlb9evg3id$.dlg@40tude.net...
    > > > > > > > My buddy wants me to build him a new machine. I am going to
    put
    > > my
    > > > > > NF7-S
    > > > > > > > rev 2.0 board in his box.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > What should I be looking at as a replacement for mine?
    Haven't
    > > kept
    > > > > up
    > > > > > for
    > > > > > > > the last few months so I dont know whats out there.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I don´t think there´s anything better than the NF7-S, except you
    > > want
    > > > an
    > > > > > > Athlon 64
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > The DFI's are good for ultra-high FSB's (265 MHz without raising a
    > > > sweat)
    > > > > > and get great timings from high (3.3) v-dimm.
    > > > > > They're limited to 2.0v-core - but it doesn't really impact your
    max
    > > > clock
    > > > > > by more than 20 - 30 gross MHz.
    > > > > > A64's don't overclock well and die at the drop of a hat - and of
    > > course,
    > > > > > cost the Earth.
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
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