Soyo K7VTA-Pro fastest chip?

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Bitsbucket wrote:
> According to the Soyo site the fastest chip is a 2100+ running a 266 FSB.
> (throughbred or palamino) These chips are getting kind of hard to find and I
> was wondering what else I could use??? Sempron of some type maybe?
> Any suggestions would be welcome, I want to try and build my Son a computer
> out of this board as it is just laying around, and I have the memory, video,
> H/D CD-Burner and a case. It currently is running an old Athlon 900MHz CPU
> and he wants to game some, He is not a hardcore gamer, but something faster
> than 900MHz is definately needed. I know I can underclock a newer proc. but
> I want all I can squeeze out of this board without having to buy him a new
> one (board that is). I do know that this board will overclock nicely, as it
> was the same board I had BEFORE
> I bought my ASUS and a 2500+ barton (that I have been running from day one
> at 3200+ with out so much as a hickup) what a sweet deal, I have not had a
> better combo since my old Abit with a 300MHz celey running at 450.
> But if I recall right I did have my old Sy-K7VTA-Pro with a 1900+ running at
> 2100+ so the board will overclock, now if I could just find a decent chip
> for it!!!...CHEAP! Anyone got one they wanna sell? 1800+ to 2100+ palamino
> or throughbred would do.....
> Well I'll quit ramblin......
> TIA
> Bitsbucket
>
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Great old board! I built a number of systems for non techie friends that
wanted web surf and send e-mail. It will accept most any T'bred although
it might not make full use of the chips potential depending on the BIOS.
Also it's not PCI and AGP locked so OC potential is limited. Try eBay
for an unlocked 2100 T'bred. I wouldn't get a Palomino. No OC potential
without mods :-(

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Bitsbucket wrote:
> According to the Soyo site the fastest chip is a 2100+ running a 266
> FSB. (throughbred or palamino) These chips are getting kind of hard
> to find and I was wondering what else I could use??? Sempron of some
> type maybe?

Depends on how hard you're willing to work on it   I quickly checked the
BIOS for the board, and it appears to be "safe" from the point of view of
handling mobilised CPUs. It also seems to handle initialisation of Barton
CPUs correctly, so you should be safe buying any standard desktop chip and
just filling the three cut L5 bridges. This will give you a CPU that will
have a multiplier adjustable through PowerNow (but not through the BIOS of
course) from 3.0x to 24.0x, which should be plenty.

If you're not wanting to get your hands dirty (and can't find someone who'll
do it for you), then you should be able to drop a mobile CPU into the board
and have a fully unlocked CPU that way. Alternatively go shopping on ebay,
etc for unlocked CPUs (though you'll pay significantly more for it). The
only other option is to try and get hold of a 133MHz FSB chip, but as you
mentioned these are getting harder and harder to find. Note that all Athlon
MP CPUs have a 133MHz default FSB, but these are significantly more
expensive than their XP friends, and it's probably cheaper to get a new
board than get one of these ...

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Can't a newer chip just be "underclocked"?
as long as the voltage is supported? say a 333FSB part running at 266FSB?
Thanks
Bitsbucket
"Michael Brown" <see@signature.below> wrote in message
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> Bitsbucket wrote:
>> According to the Soyo site the fastest chip is a 2100+ running a 266
>> FSB. (throughbred or palamino) These chips are getting kind of hard
>> to find and I was wondering what else I could use??? Sempron of some
>> type maybe?
>
> Depends on how hard you're willing to work on it   I quickly checked the
> BIOS for the board, and it appears to be "safe" from the point of view of
> handling mobilised CPUs. It also seems to handle initialisation of Barton
> CPUs correctly, so you should be safe buying any standard desktop chip and
> just filling the three cut L5 bridges. This will give you a CPU that will
> have a multiplier adjustable through PowerNow (but not through the BIOS of
> course) from 3.0x to 24.0x, which should be plenty.
>
> If you're not wanting to get your hands dirty (and can't find someone
> who'll
> do it for you), then you should be able to drop a mobile CPU into the
> board
> and have a fully unlocked CPU that way. Alternatively go shopping on ebay,
> etc for unlocked CPUs (though you'll pay significantly more for it). The
> only other option is to try and get hold of a 133MHz FSB chip, but as you
> mentioned these are getting harder and harder to find. Note that all
> Athlon
> MP CPUs have a 133MHz default FSB, but these are significantly more
> expensive than their XP friends, and it's probably cheaper to get a new
> board than get one of these ...
>
> [...]
>
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> www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more  
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Bitsbucket wrote:
> Can't a newer chip just be "underclocked"?
> as long as the voltage is supported? say a 333FSB part running at
> 266FSB?

Oh, definately. You mentioned that you knew this already and wanted to get
the maximum performance out of it so I didn't see point in mentioning it
again  

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How much do you think I would loose? (performance) by doing this? If I
bought a 333 part and ran it at 266....I have not been in the CPU game in a
while and I don't know what the "best" chip to underclock would be and still
get as much as I can.(don't know what the multipliers are locked at)
Oh I did find a 2200+ part at 266 for 72 bucks from Newegg.....but what I
find interesting is that when I bought my Barton core 2500+ I got it for
around 85 bucks, now the same part is over 100?!?!? what is going on with
AMD? Is it because they are pushing the 64 and dropping the 32 thus the
parts are getting harder to find?
I hate to spend much on this computer it's for my son and he dosen't need
the latest and greatest. (I had envisioned a 1800 to a 2000+ part for about
40 bucks, boy that was a mistake!)
I guess I could upgrade mine, and give him my MoBo and proc (Asus and 2500+
barton that has run since day one as a 3200+) But then I have been told that
I would have to spend big bucks to get something as fast as I have now.
Which AMD 64 bit part would be a substantial performance boost over my
barton "3200+" (I am thinking this would be in the 100's if not
more.....board and proc combined.....like 300 or so....am I correct in this
assumption?)
Whats your take on all this?
Thanks a million,
Bitsbucket

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> Bitsbucket wrote:
>> Can't a newer chip just be "underclocked"?
>> as long as the voltage is supported? say a 333FSB part running at
>> 266FSB?
>
> Oh, definately. You mentioned that you knew this already and wanted to get
> the maximum performance out of it so I didn't see point in mentioning it
> again  
>
> [...]
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Bitsbucket wrote:
> How much do you think I would loose? (performance) by doing this? If I
> bought a 333 part and ran it at 266....I have not been in the CPU
> game in a while and I don't know what the "best" chip to underclock
> would be and still get as much as I can.(don't know what the
> multipliers are locked at).

That depends a lot on the pricing from the place you're buying from.
Assuming you don't want to go the "mobilisation" route, the speeds the chips
(AXP's and Durons, not Semprons) will run at are:
{} 2400 and below, including all Durons: will run at stock speed
{} 2500 (Barton): will run at 1467MHz, 1900 rating
{} 2600 (133MHz FSB, TBred): will run at stock speed
{} 2600 (166MHz FSB, TBred): will run at 1667MHz, 2000 rating
{} 2600 (166MHz FSB, Barton): will run at 1533MHz, 2000 rating
{} 2700: will run at 1733MHz, 2100 rating
{} 2800 (TBred): will run at 1800MHz, 2200 rating
{} 2800 (Barton): will run at 1667MHz, 2200 rating
{} 3000 (166MHz FSB): will run at 1733MHz, ~2300 rating
{} 3000 (200MHz FSB): will run at 1400MHz, 1800 rating
{} 3200: will run at 1466MHz, 1900 rating

For Semprons, the numbers are (where the ratings are AXP ratings, not the
inflated Sempron ones):
{} 2200: will run at 1200MHz, 1400 rating
{} 2300: will run at 1267MHz, ~1450 rating
{} 2400: will run at 1333MHz, 1500 rating
{} 2500: will run at 1400MHz, 1600 rating
{} 2600: will run at 1467MHz, 1700 rating
{} 2800: will run at 1600MHz, 1900 rating
{} 3000: will run at 1600MHz, 1900 rating

So just go through and do a price/performance comparison as taking these
into account.

> Oh I did find a 2200+ part at 266 for 72 bucks from Newegg.....but
> what I find interesting is that when I bought my Barton core 2500+ I
> got it for around 85 bucks, now the same part is over 100?!?!? what
> is going on with AMD? Is it because they are pushing the 64 and
> dropping the 32 thus the parts are getting harder to find?

Effectively, yes. They've more or less stopped selling "Athlon XP" CPUs, and
are mainly selling "Sempron" CPUs which are just AXP's with jacked-up rating
numbers that cost more. AMD wants to kill socket-A ASAP and the easiest way
to do that is to raise the prices to make it uneconomical. Prices are still
dropping down here in NZ because we're always a good few months behind the
US in terms of pricing  

> I hate to spend much on this computer it's for my son and he dosen't
> need the latest and greatest. (I had envisioned a 1800 to a 2000+
> part for about 40 bucks, boy that was a mistake!)
> I guess I could upgrade mine, and give him my MoBo and proc (Asus and
> 2500+ barton that has run since day one as a 3200+) But then I have
> been told that I would have to spend big bucks to get something as
> fast as I have now. Which AMD 64 bit part would be a substantial
> performance boost over my barton "3200+" (I am thinking this would be
> in the 100's if not more.....board and proc combined.....like 300 or
> so....am I correct in this assumption?)

Pretty much, yes. The cheapest route would be to go S754 + Sempron 3100 and
overclock. This would probably give you a system that easily matched your
current system, at least in the gaming area, and probably in most other
areas as well. Again, local pricing will dictate whether this is worth it
for you.

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Michael,
It sure is nice to run into someone that will take the time to explain
things, I appreciate your time and patience with me, your explanation was
great! (I'll cut and paste it to a doc file and use it for a reference)
You know, ever since I got into computers, some of the most knowledgeable
people about hardware I have meet,(well actually talked to on Usenet) have
been either in New Zealand or Australia. I remember the first time I
overclocked a chip a guy from Australia sent me an actual pinout of the chip
and where to put the jumper (at that time I used a single strand of wire
from a lamp cord and jumpered two pins). That was quite a while ago, I
believe it was one of the "last gasps" in the old 486 days....when AMD made
a chip that was equal to a Pentium 75 but that was as 486 socket chip... I
believe that was the chip, again been so long ago I can't really remember
:-) anyway.......
Thanks again, you have been very helpful.
John

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> Bitsbucket wrote:
>> How much do you think I would loose? (performance) by doing this? If I
>> bought a 333 part and ran it at 266....I have not been in the CPU
>> game in a while and I don't know what the "best" chip to underclock
>> would be and still get as much as I can.(don't know what the
>> multipliers are locked at).
>
> That depends a lot on the pricing from the place you're buying from.
> Assuming you don't want to go the "mobilisation" route, the speeds the
> chips
> (AXP's and Durons, not Semprons) will run at are:
> {} 2400 and below, including all Durons: will run at stock speed
> {} 2500 (Barton): will run at 1467MHz, 1900 rating
> {} 2600 (133MHz FSB, TBred): will run at stock speed
> {} 2600 (166MHz FSB, TBred): will run at 1667MHz, 2000 rating
> {} 2600 (166MHz FSB, Barton): will run at 1533MHz, 2000 rating
> {} 2700: will run at 1733MHz, 2100 rating
> {} 2800 (TBred): will run at 1800MHz, 2200 rating
> {} 2800 (Barton): will run at 1667MHz, 2200 rating
> {} 3000 (166MHz FSB): will run at 1733MHz, ~2300 rating
> {} 3000 (200MHz FSB): will run at 1400MHz, 1800 rating
> {} 3200: will run at 1466MHz, 1900 rating
>
> For Semprons, the numbers are (where the ratings are AXP ratings, not the
> inflated Sempron ones):
> {} 2200: will run at 1200MHz, 1400 rating
> {} 2300: will run at 1267MHz, ~1450 rating
> {} 2400: will run at 1333MHz, 1500 rating
> {} 2500: will run at 1400MHz, 1600 rating
> {} 2600: will run at 1467MHz, 1700 rating
> {} 2800: will run at 1600MHz, 1900 rating
> {} 3000: will run at 1600MHz, 1900 rating
>
> So just go through and do a price/performance comparison as taking these
> into account.
>
>> Oh I did find a 2200+ part at 266 for 72 bucks from Newegg.....but
>> what I find interesting is that when I bought my Barton core 2500+ I
>> got it for around 85 bucks, now the same part is over 100?!?!? what
>> is going on with AMD? Is it because they are pushing the 64 and
>> dropping the 32 thus the parts are getting harder to find?
>
> Effectively, yes. They've more or less stopped selling "Athlon XP" CPUs,
> and
> are mainly selling "Sempron" CPUs which are just AXP's with jacked-up
> rating
> numbers that cost more. AMD wants to kill socket-A ASAP and the easiest
> way
> to do that is to raise the prices to make it uneconomical. Prices are
> still
> dropping down here in NZ because we're always a good few months behind the
> US in terms of pricing  
>
>> I hate to spend much on this computer it's for my son and he dosen't
>> need the latest and greatest. (I had envisioned a 1800 to a 2000+
>> part for about 40 bucks, boy that was a mistake!)
>> I guess I could upgrade mine, and give him my MoBo and proc (Asus and
>> 2500+ barton that has run since day one as a 3200+) But then I have
>> been told that I would have to spend big bucks to get something as
>> fast as I have now. Which AMD 64 bit part would be a substantial
>> performance boost over my barton "3200+" (I am thinking this would be
>> in the 100's if not more.....board and proc combined.....like 300 or
>> so....am I correct in this assumption?)
>
> Pretty much, yes. The cheapest route would be to go S754 + Sempron 3100
> and
> overclock. This would probably give you a system that easily matched your
> current system, at least in the gaming area, and probably in most other
> areas as well. Again, local pricing will dictate whether this is worth it
> for you.
>
> [...]
>
> --
> Michael Brown
> www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more  
> Add michael@ to emboss.co.nz - My inbox is always open
>
>


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