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Is it just me or do both Baldur's Gate games and Tribes 2 don't like an
overclocked processor? I'm running my 3.0c stable at 3.7 and I can play
other games just fine for hours on end, but Tribes2 and BG1 & 2 lockup
within minutes after starting them when I'm overclocked. Anyone else
experience the same thing?

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bioderm wrote:
> Is it just me or do both Baldur's Gate games and Tribes 2 don't like
> an overclocked processor? I'm running my 3.0c stable at 3.7 and I
> can play other games just fine for hours on end, but Tribes2 and BG1
> & 2 lockup within minutes after starting them when I'm overclocked.
> Anyone else experience the same thing?

If it does that, then it's not stable If it's 24-hour prime95 stable and
doing that, then I'd guess power issues, either on the motherboard or the
PSU. If you're running a card without an external power connector, then a
spike in GPU usage would drop the core voltage briefly until the regulators
compensate for it. This could be enough to push your CPU over the edge and
crash. Bumping up the core voltage should solve things, assuming you have
enough headroom temperature-wise.

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hey bioderm, it's not the games,
I did an experiment with games and voltages......
some games would run at lower cpu voltages than others.....
plus you need good cooling .....so, I'd say you need higher
voltage or better cooling, but it could be other issues as well..
good luck

joe

"bioderm" <not@here.com> wrote in message news:109t2c5h9tp4qdb@corp.supernews.com...
> Is it just me or do both Baldur's Gate games and Tribes 2 don't like an
> overclocked processor? I'm running my 3.0c stable at 3.7 and I can play
> other games just fine for hours on end, but Tribes2 and BG1 & 2 lockup
> within minutes after starting them when I'm overclocked. Anyone else
> experience the same thing?
>
>

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If your system won't run ANY AND ALL programs, then it's not stable, simple
as that.
Some programs stress a system more than others but a stable system will run
them all.
Try Prime95 for a 12-24 hours then tell us it's stable

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"bioderm" <not@here.com> wrote in message
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> Is it just me or do both Baldur's Gate games and Tribes 2 don't like an
> overclocked processor? I'm running my 3.0c stable at 3.7 and I can play
> other games just fine for hours on end, but Tribes2 and BG1 & 2 lockup
> within minutes after starting them when I'm overclocked. Anyone else
> experience the same thing?
>
>

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BigBadger wrote:
> If your system won't run ANY AND ALL programs, then it's not stable,
> simple as that.
> Some programs stress a system more than others but a stable system
> will run them all.
> Try Prime95 for a 12-24 hours then tell us it's stable

Prime95 doesn't stress the graphics system at all, which is a key element in
gaming. Crucially, it doesn't give both CPU and GPU a joint work out, so it
doesn't push the limits for either peak power requirement or peak combined
temperatures. Benchmarking programmes such as 3dmark do this better now.
It's okay for an indication of how stable a basic system is.

Martin

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"Martin" <martin@scotland.org> wrote in message
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> BigBadger wrote:
> > If your system won't run ANY AND ALL programs, then it's not stable,
> > simple as that.
> > Some programs stress a system more than others but a stable system
> > will run them all.
> > Try Prime95 for a 12-24 hours then tell us it's stable
>
> Prime95 doesn't stress the graphics system at all, which is a key element
in
> gaming. Crucially, it doesn't give both CPU and GPU a joint work out, so
it
> doesn't push the limits for either peak power requirement or peak combined
> temperatures. Benchmarking programmes such as 3dmark do this better now.
> It's okay for an indication of how stable a basic system is.
>
> Martin
>
Read the original post....The poster said he was getting crashes when he
overclocked the processor....so obviously the problem is with processor, not
graphics stability, therefore Prime is the best program to pick this
up....If he wanted to test the stability of an overclocked graphics card my
advice would have been to use 3D Mark or similar graphics benchmarking prog.

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BigBadger wrote:

Read the original post....The poster said he was getting crashes when he
overclocked the processor....so obviously the problem is with processor, not
graphics stability, therefore Prime is the best program to pick this
up....If he wanted to test the stability of an overclocked graphics card my
advice would have been to use 3D Mark or similar graphics benchmarking prog.

That's not a totally illogical guess but, as it turns out, things don't
fall into such nice independent groupings.

Things can appear stable and then fail when graphics is invoked because AGP
increases the stress on memory and CPU timings so it is not at all
unheard of for a system to pass Prime, CPUburn, memtest, and then fail on
3dmark.

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>>
>> Prime95 doesn't stress the graphics system at all, which is a key
>> element in gaming. Crucially, it doesn't give both CPU and GPU a
>> joint work out, so it doesn't push the limits for either peak power
>> requirement or peak combined temperatures. Benchmarking programmes
>> such as 3dmark do this better now. It's okay for an indication of
>> how stable a basic system is.
>>
>> Martin
>>
> Read the original post....The poster said he was getting crashes when
> he overclocked the processor....so obviously the problem is with
> processor, not graphics stability, therefore Prime is the best
> program to pick this up....If he wanted to test the stability of an
> overclocked graphics card my advice would have been to use 3D Mark or
> similar graphics benchmarking prog.

I did read the original post. Perhaps you could do me the courtesy of
reading mine properly.

Regards

Martin

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"Martin" <martin@scotland.org> wrote in message
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>
> >>
> >> Prime95 doesn't stress the graphics system at all, which is a key
> >> element in gaming. Crucially, it doesn't give both CPU and GPU a
> >> joint work out, so it doesn't push the limits for either peak power
> >> requirement or peak combined temperatures. Benchmarking programmes
> >> such as 3dmark do this better now. It's okay for an indication of
> >> how stable a basic system is.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> > Read the original post....The poster said he was getting crashes when
> > he overclocked the processor....so obviously the problem is with
> > processor, not graphics stability, therefore Prime is the best
> > program to pick this up....If he wanted to test the stability of an
> > overclocked graphics card my advice would have been to use 3D Mark or
> > similar graphics benchmarking prog.
>
> I did read the original post. Perhaps you could do me the courtesy of
> reading mine properly.
>
> Regards
>
> Martin
>
I did read yours...and I still say that the best single test of CPU
stability (which is what the poster was talking about) is Prime 95. 3D Mark
is really not very good at picking up processor and memory problems, it was
never designed to do that. I know for a fact that it's possible for a system
that will pass 3D Mark no problem will fail in a few seconds in Prime 95. If
you want I can give you a link to my best 3D mark score.....recorded on a
system overclocked so that it would not even complete the first test on
Prime95. I've also had systems that would pass 3D Mark but would crash out
of 'real' games in a few minutes, so 3D Mark alone is no guarantee of game
stability. I think it's quite likely that the original posters system would
actually complete 3D Mark ok.
I've been overclocking for many years and I've NEVER seen a case where 3D
mark picked up errors caused purely by processor or memory overclocking that
Prime 95 missed.
Obviously Prime does not stress the graphics card at all, but then the
original post said nothing about graphics or AGP overclocking.

Fact is the best way to test overall system stability is run both Prime 95
and 3D mark together...Maybe we at least can agree on that?

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BigBadger wrote:
[... big snip ...]
> Reading your original post I see your advice was also to test with
> Prime 95 so how come your disagreeing with me now?

Reread my original post I didn't recommend testing with any particular
program. All I said that IF it's prime95 stable (given the lack of
information from the OP), then it's probably power issues. Incidentally,
these are quite difficult to pick up: all "testing" apps I know of hit the
CPU/GPU continuously, whereas the real problem in many cases is often in the
load fluctuation causing temporary dips in the supply lines. I might write a
program sometime that does this if I have the time, though the solution in
any case is usually to bump up the voltage somewhere (excluding the few
cases where decreasing an unnecessarily high vcore lightens the load and
stabilises supply to a different part of the system).

My complaint is not with your original post; yours and mine say the same
thing more or less. Nor it with the advice you gave. My complaint is with
the assumption that the OP was asking about CPU stability when the original
post asked specifically about stability in GPU-intensive applications,
albeit with an overclocked CPU and without any information as to previous
stability testing done. The post was mainly intended to make people think a
bit about the flow-on effects to the rest of the system when things are
overclocked, even if the connection is not a direct one.

[...]

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I play Tribes 2 quite often and have it crash on me about 80% of the time
from after 5 minutes to as long as 2-3 hours. I would consider my system
100% stable, Athlon XP 1600+, 1.40 Ghz overclocked 1.66Ghz for about the
past two years. I think I had tried running at all stock speeds before and
still had T2 crash on me, so I can't say for sure if it is only because my
system is overclock. If I think of it next time I play, I will try running
stock speeds (CPU and Video Card) and post my results back here. (not much
time anymore for playing on the newsgroups)

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"bioderm" <not@here.com> wrote in message
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> Is it just me or do both Baldur's Gate games and Tribes 2 don't like an
> overclocked processor? I'm running my 3.0c stable at 3.7 and I can play
> other games just fine for hours on end, but Tribes2 and BG1 & 2 lockup
> within minutes after starting them when I'm overclocked. Anyone else
> experience the same thing?
>
>

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"Bill Hillman" <wfhillman@bellsouth.NOnetSPAM> wrote in message
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> I play Tribes 2 quite often and have it crash on me about 80% of the time
> from after 5 minutes to as long as 2-3 hours. I would consider my system
> 100% stable, Athlon XP 1600+, 1.40 Ghz overclocked 1.66Ghz for about the
> past two years. I think I had tried running at all stock speeds before and
> still had T2 crash on me, so I can't say for sure if it is only because my
> system is overclock. If I think of it next time I play, I will try running
> stock speeds (CPU and Video Card) and post my results back here. (not much
> time anymore for playing on the newsgroups)
>

I have played T2 for years. It is known to be very picky. It was
notoriously unstable at release and went through multiple patches, some good
and some bad. Even on the most stable of systems it will have UE -
unhandled exceptions.

Quixote - Thraq in T2

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[way off topic] ...

but i'd like to offer my personal and considerable congratulations to
michael brown and bigbadger: for presenting us usenet users with a pair of
guys who didn't instantly leap on a (possible) disagreement and turn it into
a jerkoff flamefest.

this is the way it should be. in my humble opinion. now, go 'head and rip
each other's lungs out ;-)

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> "Martin" <martin@scotland.org> wrote in message
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> >
> > >>
> > >> Prime95 doesn't stress the graphics system at all, which is a key
> > >> element in gaming. Crucially, it doesn't give both CPU and GPU a
> > >> joint work out, so it doesn't push the limits for either peak power
> > >> requirement or peak combined temperatures. Benchmarking programmes
> > >> such as 3dmark do this better now. It's okay for an indication of
> > >> how stable a basic system is.
> > >>
> > >> Martin
> > >>
> > > Read the original post....The poster said he was getting crashes when
> > > he overclocked the processor....so obviously the problem is with
> > > processor, not graphics stability, therefore Prime is the best
> > > program to pick this up....If he wanted to test the stability of an
> > > overclocked graphics card my advice would have been to use 3D Mark or
> > > similar graphics benchmarking prog.
> >
> > I did read the original post. Perhaps you could do me the courtesy of
> > reading mine properly.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Martin
> >
> I did read yours...and I still say that the best single test of CPU
> stability (which is what the poster was talking about) is Prime 95. 3D
Mark
> is really not very good at picking up processor and memory problems, it
was
> never designed to do that. I know for a fact that it's possible for a
system
> that will pass 3D Mark no problem will fail in a few seconds in Prime 95.
If
> you want I can give you a link to my best 3D mark score.....recorded on a
> system overclocked so that it would not even complete the first test on
> Prime95. I've also had systems that would pass 3D Mark but would crash out
> of 'real' games in a few minutes, so 3D Mark alone is no guarantee of game
> stability. I think it's quite likely that the original posters system
would
> actually complete 3D Mark ok.
> I've been overclocking for many years and I've NEVER seen a case where 3D
> mark picked up errors caused purely by processor or memory overclocking
that
> Prime 95 missed.

It happens BigB. I can run Prime 95 for days and then crash on, of all
games, Tiger Woods 2004 golf unless I crank up the CPU voltage to 1.70.
That is when I overclock my P4 3.0C to 3.6 or more.

> Obviously Prime does not stress the graphics card at all, but then the
> original post said nothing about graphics or AGP overclocking.
>
> Fact is the best way to test overall system stability is run both Prime 95
> and 3D mark together...Maybe we at least can agree on that?
>
>