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Best Cheap B&W laser printer a4 for office documents?

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Anonymous
August 9, 2004 3:31:37 PM

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Dear All,

My boyfriend and I are both researchers, work at home a good part of the
week, and need to print huge quantities of B&W A4 true type articles and
documents. (for the occasional colour print we use a HP 880C). So, the
printer has to
- print double-side to save space,
- be low cost in toner, drum kit and other supplies
- print on overhead sheets (transparencies)
- be very fast
- rather sturdy than fancy, though weight and dimensions might matter.

I prefer spending more and getting a machine that has a long life. We have 4
computers, with Windows XP, Windows ME, Windows 98 and Windows 95, and I am
considering setting up a LAN. We had experiences only with HP 500 and 520
inkjet and I do not want an inkjet anymore in my life.

Any advice? Thank you very much in advance.

Arianna Betti
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August 9, 2004 10:53:07 PM

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"aribé" <a.NOSPAMbetti@unict.it> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Dear All,
>
> My boyfriend and I are both researchers, work at home a good part of the
.....cut
......fs 1020D Kyocera
......every one kyocera have a Lowest consumables cost .
http://www.kyoceramita.co.uk/pages/products/products.as...
Anonymous
August 10, 2004 2:19:55 AM

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In article <nKPRc.92595$OR2.4919854@news3.tin.it>, =:-) wrote:
>
> "aribé" <a.NOSPAMbetti@unict.it> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:41174480$0$62381$5fc3050@dreader2.news.tiscali.nl...
>> Dear All,
>>
>> My boyfriend and I are both researchers, work at home a good part of the
> ....cut
> .....fs 1020D Kyocera
> .....every one kyocera have a Lowest consumables cost .
> http://www.kyoceramita.co.uk/pages/products/products.as...

And HP has the best durability -and will work for years to come.

No matter what brand, NEVER EVER buy a Windows printer. Buy
something that preferable speaks PostScript, but PCL-5 is
also acceptable. Means the printer will also work with your
next operation system, it being Windows YZ, Mac OS X or
Linux.

Windows Printer is a name for a technology where they save
some on the printer, but they are sure to sell a new printer
with the next MS upgrade.

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Anonymous
August 10, 2004 7:13:10 AM

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On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:31:37 +0200, "aribé" <a.NOSPAMbetti@unict.it>
wrote:


>Any advice? Thank you very much in advance.
>
Kyocera. There product life is as good as any other and better than
most and their running costs are lower.

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Anonymous
August 10, 2004 7:56:17 PM

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> >Any advice? Thank you very much in advance.
> >
> Kyocera. There product life is as good as any other and better than
> most and their running costs are lower.

Mmmh. So I should not believe what I found on this message board
http://fixyourownprinter.com/printer/8/7064.html
"I do know that kyocera's have a limited lifespan (on newer models 2/3 yrs)
then you need to replace virtually everything, which usually costs more than
a new printer."

Is it nonsense or with new Kyocera models is now better? 2-3 years for me is
nothing! It has to go on for 10 years.

Arianna
Anonymous
August 10, 2004 8:17:42 PM

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"Povl H. Pedersen" <povlhp@povl-h-pedersens-computer.local> schreef in
bericht news:slrnchfu4c.lg.povlhp@povl-h-pedersens-computer.local...
> In article <nKPRc.92595$OR2.4919854@news3.tin.it>, =:-) wrote:

snip

> And HP has the best durability -and will work for years to come.

So you would say: buy a HP 2300 series (the basis model is comparable to the
Kyocera fs 1020D because of speed and automatic double-face printing).

snip

> Buy
> something that preferable speaks PostScript, but PCL-5 is
> also acceptable.

HP emulates HP PCL 5e, HP PCL 6, HP PostScript 3 emulatie, automatische
printertaalkeuze

Kyocera fs 1020D emulates PCL 6/PCL 5e incl. PJL, KPDL 3 (PostScript 3
compatibel) met Automatic Emulation Sensing (AES), Line Printer, IBM
Proprinter X24E, Epson LQ-850, Diablo 630

Only, the HP is around ? 735,42 tax incl., while the Kyocera is around ?350.
Do you think this matches their respective lifespan?
That the HP would go on 10 years while the Kyocera 5, before you start
changing pieces?


Hilsener (for Mr. Pedersen)
Arianna
Anonymous
August 10, 2004 10:31:23 PM

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"Povl H. Pedersen" <povlhp@povl-h-pedersens-computer.local> wrote in
comp.periphs.printers:
>No matter what brand, NEVER EVER buy a Windows printer. Buy
>something that preferable speaks PostScript, but PCL-5 is
>also acceptable.

My Brother HL5150DLT speaks Postscript _and_ PCL, and prints duplex
automatically. There are options built in for booklets, N-up
printing, etc. I'm very happy with it, but since it's new I can't
testify as to its durability.

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Anonymous
August 11, 2004 5:59:55 AM

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:56:17 +0200, "aribé" <a.NOSPAMbetti@unict.it>
wrote:

>> >Any advice? Thank you very much in advance.
>> >
>> Kyocera. There product life is as good as any other and better than
>> most and their running costs are lower.
>
>Mmmh. So I should not believe what I found on this message board
>http://fixyourownprinter.com/printer/8/7064.html
>"I do know that kyocera's have a limited lifespan (on newer models 2/3 yrs)
>then you need to replace virtually everything, which usually costs more than
>a new printer."
>
>Is it nonsense or with new Kyocera models is now better? 2-3 years for me is
>nothing! It has to go on for 10 years.
>
>Arianna
>
Hi Arianna,

From my experience with them, and from talking to others I would say
that's nonsense.

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Anonymous
August 11, 2004 2:24:56 PM

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snip

> My Brother HL5150DLT [snip] I'm very happy with it, but since it's new I
can't
> testify as to its durability.

All right, then, the most similar Brother printer to the

Kyocera FS-1020D [PCL 6/PCL 5e incl. PJL, KPDL 3 (PostScript 3 compatibel)
with Automatic Emulation Sensing (AES), Line Printer, IBM
Proprinter X24E, Epson LQ-850, Diablo 630]
about 350 EUR (prices in the Netherlands)
Reviews: http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h580.htm
http://www.computeractive.co.uk/products/hardware/11564...

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/index.cfm?go=hardware.view&p...

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=1...

and to the

HP 2300D Q2474A [HP PCL 5e, HP PCL 6, HP PostScript 3 emulation, automatic
language choice]
about 800 EUR
Reviews: http://www.epinions.com/content_131353841284

http://www1.bottomdollar.com/rating_getprodrev.php/mast...

is the

Brother HL5150D [PCL6, PostScript 3, Epson FX-850 en IBM ProPrinter XL]
about 300 EUR
Reviews:
http://www1.bottomdollar.com/rating_getprodrev.php/prod...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/el...

It seems the Kyocera does not quite print 20 pp/pm but all the rest (cheap
costs, especially the life-long drum) is true. The Brother is, yes, dirty
cheap, but consumes more and it is less ecological. The HP seems to be a
one-step-higher-class machine than the other two. It seems HPs go on around
10 years indeed. But this HP costs more than twice as much as the Kyocera.
Is it worth it? Do I throw the Kyocera away after 5 years?

Arianna
Anonymous
August 11, 2004 9:49:07 PM

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In article <4118d409$0$62387$5fc3050@dreader2.news.tiscali.nl>, aribé wrote:
>> >Any advice? Thank you very much in advance.
>> >
>> Kyocera. There product life is as good as any other and better than
>> most and their running costs are lower.
>
> Mmmh. So I should not believe what I found on this message board
> http://fixyourownprinter.com/printer/8/7064.html
> "I do know that kyocera's have a limited lifespan (on newer models 2/3 yrs)
> then you need to replace virtually everything, which usually costs more than
> a new printer."
>
> Is it nonsense or with new Kyocera models is now better? 2-3 years for me is
> nothing! It has to go on for 10 years.

One thing to consider if printing a lot:

With HP you replace the complete toner cartridge every time.
With the cheap printers, you have to replace a drum kit every 20.000
or so pages, and it is usually around 150 Euro or so. So often
printing costs, if you go beyond 20.000 pages will be the same.

But, you can refill most HP laserprinter toners yourself, getting
the price way down, and just replace the toner cartridge with a
new or rycycled if the quality starts to suffer.

There are still HP LaserJet IIID around, and LaserJet 5. The
HPs tends to work for longer than you want to keep them.

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