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HP Pulling Out of Windows RT Race... Over Surface?

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June 29, 2012 7:03:43 PM

I think it was because of the shortcomings in their OEM offerings. Not because of their "weaknesses".

It may mean more or less the same thing, but when you read it, you get the difference. Google is a good example, sometimes if you want it done right - you have to do it yourself. Hopefully they can offer something intuitive and groundbreaking compared to their partners, something that adds another player so that all of the tablet makers have to redouble their efforts and push things farther.

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June 29, 2012 7:12:10 PM

In all honesty we've seen what the oems can offer and they can be damn, DAMN lazy! Leave Windows RT to Microsoft and announce the new 2770p along with a nice new x86 wacom tablet.

Also, HP, please, DO NOT simply drop an Atom based WIndows 8 tablet like the HP Slate 500 and Slate 2 as they were both tragically underpowered devices.

Personally I'd like a nice new 2170p with a screen that's a tablet so I can use all the fantastic docking stations, peripherals and BB09/CC09 extended batteries. 32+ hours of battery life anyone? But... HP probably won't do that as it makes too much sense.
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June 29, 2012 7:12:11 PM

I'd rather see OEMs do a two tier X86 lineup anyways. One Atom, one Core.
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June 29, 2012 7:13:01 PM

P.S. If Windows RT takes off they'll soon come running and I hope that they get ignored! Tut.
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June 29, 2012 7:29:28 PM

cscott_itI think it was because of the shortcomings in their OEM offerings. Not because of their "weaknesses".It may mean more or less the same thing, but when you read it, you get the difference. Google is a good example, sometimes if you want it done right - you have to do it yourself. Hopefully they can offer something intuitive and groundbreaking compared to their partners, something that adds another player so that all of the tablet makers have to redouble their efforts and push things farther.


Couldn't agree more. Apple's success in the phone and tablet market isn't due to Apple doing anything particularly new or daunting, it's due to the competition not doing anything right at all.
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June 29, 2012 8:24:10 PM

Dropping Windows RT for Android? That doesn't sound like a good decision at all. Just look at the Android tablet numbers - the first generation iPad probably outsold them combined.
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June 29, 2012 8:35:56 PM

Let's be honest. Did anyone really expect anything great out of HP on this front anyway?
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June 29, 2012 9:00:29 PM

"Microsoft’s incompetent management and Apple envy earned the enmity of their largest partner, and others are following closely," SemiAccurate writes. "Like we said, game over for Windows RT."

This does not surprise me in the least. It won't be the first time they have said this about something and it won't be the last.

An aside-
Kevin - why are you sourcing SemiAccurate? Wouldn't that be like sourcing AnandTech or XbitLabs?
I mean, it just seems like you could do better, like the opinion piece you wrote.
I enjoyed that and overall I enjoy your journalism, maybe I'm just being an overcritical douche.
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June 29, 2012 9:07:13 PM

Who cares about HP anyway. They are the worst offenders of putting bloatware onto their PC's. WinRt restricts this completely, so no wonder. They will do the same with Jelly Bean and their tablets will suck. Good luck HP. I advise everyone I know to stay away from your junk bloatware infested computers, and will do the same with your tablets.
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June 29, 2012 9:21:02 PM

This marks the day where OEM's will collaborate with Google to create/expand support for an alternate X86 client OS (Chrome OS) for PC. I say within five (5) years a Google X86 client OS will be supported by the above mentioned OEM'S for Business and End User units.
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June 29, 2012 9:23:36 PM

I have never loved an HP computer that I have used, (nor do I love my Mac I am typing this on). But lets face it MS's distribution partners have been partners for a long time, Why should they bendo over backward for a product where they are being royally messed around.

Apple screwing distribution partners in Europe and going into direct competition with them!

Google Nexus model, Google works with one partner to raise the bar, it does not sink competition, and the partner varies.
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June 29, 2012 9:25:43 PM

PinheddCouldn't agree more. Apple's success in the phone and tablet market isn't due to Apple doing anything particularly new or daunting, it's due to the competition not doing anything right at all.


the first 2 gens of iphone, yes, that was the case, the everything after is partially they did it right first, and apple sheep.

eddieroolzDropping Windows RT for Android? That doesn't sound like a good decision at all. Just look at the Android tablet numbers - the first generation iPad probably outsold them combined.


windows rt is basically a brand new os without any apps, and there is already a giant making a damn near impossible to beat version of it. its smart to drop the rt line, because all they would do is make the ms one look better.

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June 29, 2012 11:10:58 PM

so... MS makes their own tablet, HP gets miffed and jumps ship, and from what I am reading in the comments HPs consumers simply say 'dont let the door hit you on the way out!'

It seems to me HP, a company that was going to axe every single end-user product line just a few months ago, simply cannot make a good device, or sell it for a profit. They are the ones that need to wake up and change.
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June 29, 2012 11:12:29 PM

zcproThis marks the day where OEM's will collaborate with Google to create/expand support for an alternate X86 client OS (Chrome OS) for PC. I say within five (5) years a Google X86 client OS will be supported by the above mentioned OEM'S for Business and End User units.

Google dosn't need an x86 OS. All the programs they have live in ARM space, so why bother moving to a new platform?
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June 29, 2012 11:13:56 PM

Char-lie is just being an a*s*s as usual. Because the Surface RT uses Nvidia he has to hate it. And because of the usual anti-nvidia bias he loves to create pure fictional stories about how it will fail or how it will be the downfall for the company who carries it. For some reason other sites (like this one) pick up. I have no idea why they do.

Char-LIES articles are mostly-inaccurate. And if Nvidia is involved very-inaccurate.
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June 29, 2012 11:40:26 PM

No big deal. I don't really get how Windows RT is supposed to compete against Android and iOS anyway. With all the handicaps and business features removed it seems like it's a flop waiting to happen. Of course a company like HP can't come out and say that without angering Microsoft. Blaming their pull out on the Surface RT tablet hardware doesn't have the same negative consequences as trashing the OS as a whole. What this story tells me is that HP did the market research that Microsoft has not and discovered their customers don't want to switch away from Android or iOS on a tablet. I applaud HP for doing their homework.

Now for the x86 tablets, the Surface Pro is something I've been waiting for for quite some time. We've had attempts that come close in the Asus EP121 and Samsung Series 7 Slate. Both attempts failed on that successful removable keyboard transformation ability, and both machines failed on the power front with their aggressive CPU throttling. The Fujitsu Q550 and HP Slate were both garbage given their poorly performing Atom CPUs. If HP wants to cry and complain about the Surface Pro then they need to step up to the plate and start competing. The stuff coming from them has been terrible lately. I hope they intend to put some serious resources to their x86 projects and not make the same mistakes made in the past. PC offerings in the work/design/graphics tablet space have been bad enough to make me consider an Apple modbook.
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June 30, 2012 12:46:11 AM

bigdragonNo big deal. I don't really get how Windows RT is supposed to compete against Android and iOS anyway. With all the handicaps and business features removed it seems like it's a flop waiting to happen. Of course a company like HP can't come out and say that without angering Microsoft. Blaming their pull out on the Surface RT tablet hardware doesn't have the same negative consequences as trashing the OS as a whole. What this story tells me is that HP did the market research that Microsoft has not and discovered their customers don't want to switch away from Android or iOS on a tablet. I applaud HP for doing their homework.


Agreed. Considering that Windows RT has essentially no advantage over ios/android, and many disadvantages, I'm surprised any OEM was stupid enough to even consider it.
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June 30, 2012 1:10:05 AM

Blame Windows 8.
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June 30, 2012 1:39:12 AM

Windows RT, with its $85 OEM license fee, virtually non-existing app eco-system, no compeling features, essentially has zero reason for the customers to buy. Everyone knows that, including Microsoft itself. Microsoft is gambling on the strength of its x86 OS will draw people into buying x86 tablets and from there, hopefully, the developers will cross-compile Metro app for RT and build up the eco-system from there. I think they could have done more for their x86 Windows 8 though, such as including a onscreen touchpad for mouse movement, and a fully customizable keyboard layout that can specify which keys to appear at which portion of the screen anywhere on the tablet. Both features will become immensely useful in the desktop mode. And desktop mode is the only reason most people will be buying x86 tablets at the beginning.
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June 30, 2012 2:02:15 AM

Not surprised. I don't think any OEM has the drive to make something as good as the Surface. If they would've half assed it it's best to just pull out so good move on HP and consumers I'd say
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June 30, 2012 2:07:58 AM

Not surprised a bit. If your could search Tom's blogs on the M$ tablet, Ive been saying this thing is a dog since day one. In a filed that is as mature as the tablet or even the smartphone market. You don't need a Me-two product. If iOS 6.0 is any good and AT&T ever wakes the freak up and build out its LTE network to cover say Portland, Surface x86 is DOA. Why, you ask. If can have a nice form factor, excellent screen, easy to use, with a 700 MHz bandwidth LTE hitting 20-30 MB/s or WiFi to access free or very cheap apps and/or powerful web based programs; I'll take that over an underpowered Ultrabook with a craptacular keybored in a market that is already oversaturated and costs $100 with another $400 for software to work with Metro. Metro by the way looks like something Picasso and the other cubists created after a few absinthes riding around on the Metro. Even Intel knows the PC is dead. They aren't building a new $4 billion fab plant for SoC processors in Oregon for nothing. If I was Apple or Google/Android, it the soon to be released Intel smartphone then their tablet, I'd be afraid of. Microsoft... you did pretty good of getting 35 years out of a company and making billions off product that you bought for $50,000. Well played; my hat is off to you!
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June 30, 2012 2:09:21 AM

Not surprised a bit. If your could search Tom's blogs on the M$ tablet, Ive been saying this thing is a dog since day one. In a filed that is as mature as the tablet or even the smartphone market. You don't need a Me-two product. If iOS 6.0 is any good and AT&T ever wakes the freak up and build out its LTE network to cover say Portland, Surface x86 is DOA. Why, you ask. If can have a nice form factor, excellent screen, easy to use, with a 700 MHz bandwidth LTE hitting 20-30 MB/s or WiFi to access free or very cheap apps and/or powerful web based programs; I'll take that over an underpowered Ultrabook with a craptacular keybored in a market that is already oversaturated and costs $100 with another $400 for software to work with Metro. Metro by the way looks like something Picasso and the other cubists created after a few absinthes riding around on the Metro. Even Intel knows the PC is dead. They aren't building a new $4 billion fab plant for SoC processors in Oregon for nothing. If I was Apple or Google/Android, it the soon to be released Intel smartphone then their tablet, I'd be afraid of. Microsoft... you did pretty good of getting 35 years out of a company and making billions off product that you bought for $50,000. Well played; my hat is off to you!
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June 30, 2012 2:42:10 AM

erunionI'd rather see OEMs do a two tier X86 lineup anyways. One Atom, one Core.
Atom? In the days of practically everything on a mobile device being hardware-accelerated or otherwise GPU-happy? Atom makes even HD2000 look overpowered. How about Brazos-T for the budget models, and Core for the elites. Now that's more like it!
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June 30, 2012 2:48:33 AM

duncanmooI have never loved an HP computer that I have used, (nor do I love my Mac I am typing this on). But lets face it MS's distribution partners have been partners for a long time, Why should they bendo over backward for a product where they are being royally messed around.Apple screwing distribution partners in Europe and going into direct competition with them!Google Nexus model, Google works with one partner to raise the bar, it does not sink competition, and the partner varies.
Wait what? MS is royally messing around, but Google is "raising the bar"? I call BS. What Google is doing is no different! They were tired of all the lackluster Android tablets, and Amazon was getting the vast majority of the low-end sales. If anything the Google tablet, especially at $200, will cannibalize sales of non-Nexus Android tablets, and will even piss off Amazon in the process.

The MS tablets do the same thing, competing with partners because they felt they needed to release some decent hardware (their partners like HP were failsauce). But at least MS is pricing these tablets high enough to leave plenty of space in both the RT and x86 markets. HP just isn't capable of pulling it off right now... look at their previous efforts.
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June 30, 2012 2:58:05 AM

zcproThis marks the day where OEM's will collaborate with Google to create/expand support for an alternate X86 client OS (Chrome OS) for PC. I say within five (5) years a Google X86 client OS will be supported by the above mentioned OEM'S for Business and End User units.

Except that ChromeOS requires a network connection to function. If you lose your network connection for any reason, you lose access to everything.
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June 30, 2012 3:53:17 AM

all these talks are about Windows RT, not Windows x86. these doesn't mean HP won't be making a Windows 8 tablet in the future.

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HP confirmed that it has put its Windows RT plans on hold. "The decision to go with x86 was influenced by input from our customers,” HP spokesperson Marlene Somsak wrote in an e-mail to Bloomberg.
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June 30, 2012 4:29:00 AM

Good Riddance. It will keep the garbage hardware out of the market. These OEMs have been doing Microsoft a disservice for decades by releasing subpar garbage with a windows badge bloated with unusable software. This will teach them how things should be done.
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June 30, 2012 4:34:41 AM

It's get a chuckle seeing all these unqualified people predicting the demise of Windows 8. Chances are that it will go down in history a the most innovative operating system ever released on to the market and will influence the way every corporation and household on this planet is ran. It's okay if you don't "get it"... you will, patience is a virtue.
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June 30, 2012 7:23:20 AM

CaedenVso... MS makes their own tablet, HP gets miffed and jumps ship, and from what I am reading in the comments HPs consumers simply say 'dont let the door hit you on the way out!'It seems to me HP, a company that was going to axe every single end-user product line just a few months ago, simply cannot make a good device, or sell it for a profit. They are the ones that need to wake up and change.


You're completely right. Except HP is quite profitable. So, I guess you're wrong. Maybe check the facts next time?
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June 30, 2012 7:32:12 AM

For all the Microsoft Sheep, who can't see reality, and in their mindless stupor believe anything Microsoft says, here's the clincher that makes all your arguments wrong - Microsoft is charging 3x the amount for the OS.

If they were looking for good quality units in this market, they wouldn't have priced the OS three times the x86 version. You don't enable your 'partners' to create machines that will further your OS by crippling it with this type of cost.

Clearly, Microsoft is screwing their partners (as they always have when they could), and trying to carve out this market for itself. There's no other rational explanation, and only the mindless sheep can't see it.

Why would HP participate in a market that further's Microsoft's interests, while they are getting screwed royally by them? Microsoft is a continually weakening company, and when their try their normal BS (like making vendors pay for Windows on every machine they sold, even if it didn't have Windows on it. Yes, they did this!) they get slapped and told to know their place. That's all HP did. Others will follow. And Windows RT will fail, which is becoming a Microsoft tradition. They may as well have called in Windows Zune; it's heading into the same junk heap.
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June 30, 2012 9:16:31 AM

I hope this will help the Linux market. I've been trying new iterations of linux for 7 years now but I still can't do without Windows because 3rd parties don't support Linux like they should.

Therefore I hope MS becomes more like Apple and leaves the PC to Linux, because if linux has a much larger market share developers of software will support it a lot more.
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June 30, 2012 9:49:35 AM

If I were HP I'd pull out of RT too...but not because of spilled milk. Because Surface Pro (that x86 Intel ULV IVB one) proves a better point. Diff 3rd device possibility segment. Why build ARM based products just to shoot yourself further in the foot to compete against the iPad and Android's tablet army when you can focus on making badass W8 Pro Envy tablets?

Think about it? When you're HP, Dell or Acer, you already have a working relationship w/ Intel. It won't be in Intel's long term interest to purely restrict their ULV IVB (or future designs) just for Surfaces ao they're game. They're just playing it safe right now.
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June 30, 2012 12:04:46 PM

ta152hFor all the Microsoft Sheep, who can't see reality, and in their mindless stupor believe anything Microsoft says, here's the clincher that makes all your arguments wrong - Microsoft is charging 3x the amount for the OS. If they were looking for good quality units in this market, they wouldn't have priced the OS three times the x86 version. You don't enable your 'partners' to create machines that will further your OS by crippling it with this type of cost. Clearly, Microsoft is screwing their partners (as they always have when they could), and trying to carve out this market for itself. There's no other rational explanation, and only the mindless sheep can't see it. Why would HP participate in a market that further's Microsoft's interests, while they are getting screwed royally by them? Microsoft is a continually weakening company, and when their try their normal BS (like making vendors pay for Windows on every machine they sold, even if it didn't have Windows on it. Yes, they did this!) they get slapped and told to know their place. That's all HP did. Others will follow. And Windows RT will fail, which is becoming a Microsoft tradition. They may as well have called in Windows Zune; it's heading into the same junk heap.


In regard to the 3x cost: 1) Windows RT includes Office; 2) It's my understanding that ARM versions require more customization to the specific hardware being used, as opposed to the x86 version, which is standard regardless of hardware. These factors may contribute to the higher cost. But I have a feeling you're just looking to bash MS anyway, so you probably don't care to entertain such ideas.
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June 30, 2012 12:44:29 PM

Thing to do: don't piss off ALL your partners... they may bite you back.

Lets step into the way-back machine. Back around 2001 or so, there were about an even number of Voodoo1/2 & Banshee card makers to nvidia's TNT. Just before the release of the Voodoo3, 3Dfx buys out STB (local company in Texas) to make actual video cards.

Not only did all their partners just leave, they all went to Nvidia. But they didn't go quietly... they marketed and beatup 3Dfx... they didn't compete against each other, they just attacked 3Dfx.

All these companies should be looking at making Android and Linux based systems. They can sell a PC for $50 or so less as media computers. Okay, I doubt that'll happen.

But really, this is NOT SHOCK when the MS-tablet first became public. We are not going to SEE non-MS tablets. These same partners have been selling x86 tablets for a few years... at $1200~1600. They are NOT flying off the shelves. They do NOT compete with iPads, Kindles or Android tablets. So they are NOT going to be making x86 Win8 tablets anymore than they are now, if at all.

If HP wants to hurt Microsoft... they need to make sure they have Linux drivers for all their printers (within reason) and sell Linux PCs.

some may ask: "But people do not know how to use Linux".
Answer: People don't know how to use Windows8-metro... so its still a learning curve.

Hear that PC market & LINUX? This maybe a good time to have Linux desktops on store shelves... because LinuxMint looks very much like Windows7.
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June 30, 2012 1:03:27 PM

they dropped arm for the low power servers also ... iam guessing Intel paid them well rather than anything else :p 
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June 30, 2012 4:17:10 PM

ta152hYou're completely right. Except HP is quite profitable. So, I guess you're wrong. Maybe check the facts next time?

HP is extremely profitable, and makes GREAT products... for their professional lines, and server products. Their end-user products simply suck, and they are not making a whole lot of money on them, otherwise they would be expanding the product lines, not debating about axeing them
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June 30, 2012 10:36:13 PM

CaedenVHP is extremely profitable, and makes GREAT products... for their professional lines, and server products. Their end-user products simply suck, and they are not making a whole lot of money on them, otherwise they would be expanding the product lines, not debating about axeing them


I wish that HP made their laptops like they made their servers. I have a bunch of second and third gen ProLiant rackmounts lying around at home. Those things simply do not quit, they're built like tanks. HP Laptops might as well be sold from a dollar store.
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July 3, 2012 11:00:34 PM

ta152hFor all the Microsoft Sheep, who can't see reality, and in their mindless stupor believe anything Microsoft says, here's the clincher that makes all your arguments wrong - Microsoft is charging 3x the amount for the OS. If they were looking for good quality units in this market, they wouldn't have priced the OS three times the x86 version. You don't enable your 'partners' to create machines that will further your OS by crippling it with this type of cost. Clearly, Microsoft is screwing their partners (as they always have when they could), and trying to carve out this market for itself. There's no other rational explanation, and only the mindless sheep can't see it. Why would HP participate in a market that further's Microsoft's interests, while they are getting screwed royally by them? Microsoft is a continually weakening company, and when their try their normal BS (like making vendors pay for Windows on every machine they sold, even if it didn't have Windows on it. Yes, they did this!) they get slapped and told to know their place. That's all HP did. Others will follow. And Windows RT will fail, which is becoming a Microsoft tradition. They may as well have called in Windows Zune; it's heading into the same junk heap.


Thanks for the laugh. I'll be sure to quote your ignorant comments in 2 years.
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