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"PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in message
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> "Ron Cohen" <drc023@N^O+S~P^A^M.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:6heWc.11805$OH.9151@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > > > Here's one.
> > > > It would depend upon the cost and/or if the service is covered by
> > > warranty.
> > > > This was in reference to an i850 (replaced by the i560). A quick
> search
> > > > shows a new i560 can be purchased on Amazon for $78.84 or Newegg.com
> for
> > > > $76.99 - both with free shipping. I've seen them locally at Office
> Depot
> > > and
> > > > Sam's for less than that and then a rebate was also available which
> > really
> > > > cuts the cost. Subtract the value of the OEM ink tanks included with
> the
> > > new
> > > > printer and you have the net cost of the printer which would be
> > somewhere
> > > > around $35.00 before any rebates. Also to consider is the distance
> > and/or
> > > > cost of shipping or driving to the service center along with the
> length
> > of
> > > > time it is expected to be in the shop. Just my thoughts.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If a service center replaced an i850 with an i560 that was a service
> > center
> > > issue, not a Canon issue. An i850 would be replaced (if needed) with
an
> > i860
> > > not an i560. Now if the printer in this example was under warranty, a
> call
> > > to Canon I am sure would have corrected this.
> > > Also, your method for determining the net 'value' of the hardware is
> quite
> > > flawed. It may look good on paper, but is not the way things work.
> > >
> > >
> > Who said anything about a service center replacing an i850 with an i560?
I
> > didn't. I referenced the i560 since it is based on the i850 and is a
> current
> > model.
>
> I was referencing the above statement "This was in reference to an i850
> (replaced by the i560). "
> Actually the 550 (not 560) and 850 would be a comparison, though neither
is
> based on the other.
I guess the Canon press releases are in error since they state the print
head technology is i850 based. The following is copied from a Canon press
release
" Dramatic improvements in speed and quality found in the i560 printer
compared to its predecessor — the i550 model — are based on the inclusion of
Canon technology found in the multi-award winning Canon i850 photo printer.
This technology includes the i850 unit's print head and many of the print
engine components "
>
> Will you please explain why my method of determining the net cost is
> > flawed? Considering that most people have to purchase replacement ink
> tanks
> > (except for those of us who refill) along with the other factors I
> > mentioned, it is a cost to consider.
>
> But you also need to consider that you can not use 'retail' cost figures
and
> that the manufactures are
> not paying that amount for the included inks or the printer in the box.
> Where have you factored in, marketing cost, packaging, bundled software
> etc.?
HUH???? Why should't the retail or street costs be used. That's what the
consumer will pay. It doesn't matter to the consumer how much the
manufacturer has invested in the box in terms of marketing cost, packaging,
bundled software, etc. The amount actually charged to the consumer is what
counts. Let's go over this one more time just in case you haven't actually
grasped what I'm getting at.
1. The printers in question are available in the sub $80 range from a
couple of online sources.
2. BestBuy.com currently has the printer for $89.99 before a $30.00 rebate
which drops the purchase cost to $59.99 (before sales tax).
3. Included with the new printer are consumables worth $48.99 based on
prices of the BCI-3 Multipack at BestBuy.com These items will eventually be
needed even if the user removes the partially used tanks from the old
printer and uses them in the new machine. This is definately a cost factor
to be considered.
4. That drops the effective cost of the printer to $11.00.
5. The printer will have a full warranty and thanks for mentioning the
bundled software. That could possibly make the deal even sweeter, but I'm
not factoring in that item since I don't know what s/w would be included
other than what Canon includes with every printer.
>
>
> > How much would you charge to perform
> > the type of service the OP is seeking? Can you provide some ballpark
> > estimates for what you think the going rate for this service would be?
> That
> > would be helpful information. Unless you really give out bargain rates,
I
> > don't see how it would be more cost effective to spend the money to
repair
> > an out of warranty low cost device instead of replacing it with a new
one
> > which would be covered by warranty? You didn't provide any reasoning as
to
> > why you state "It may look good on paper, but is not the way things
work".
> > Why isn't it the way things work.
> >
>
> Well shop rates vary greatly and many have different In vs Out of warranty
> rates.
> Some also charge 'Book' time and others charge minimum 1 Hr labor. This
> alone can be a big difference.
> I have seen the issue discussed here done in shop for as little as $40.
> Considering how little there really is that can go wrong, this would be
> reasonable. With a little mechanical ability one could even perform this
> themselves for a fraction of that cost (and yes the parts are available to
> those that would like to do this).
>
You state that you've seen the work done in shop for as little as $40. Is
that the going rate or does that mean even more would normally be charged?
Getting back to the above points I presented.
1. The i560 can be purchased for a net cost of $59.99 after rebate.
2. The included consumables are worth $48.99, which leaves an effective
net cost of $11.00.
3. Even without the consumables being factored in, a new printer
w/warranty would only be $59.99, but the minimum cost of the service you
describe would be $40.00. At best this is only a $19.99 difference between
purchasing a new printer and getting an old one repaired. With consumables
considered, a consumer would pay $29.00 less for a new machine than the
minimum cost of servicing the old one.
4. How long would the user be expected to have the printer in the shop?
How much to ship it or travel to the service center? How much time would the
user waste getting it there or packing it up?
If it was your money, what would you do? Once again, I ask you to explain
why "It may look good on paper, but is not the way things work".
I find the majority of your comments to users to be factual and helpful, but
in this one instance I think you aren't getting the picture from a consumers
point of view.
Ron Cohen
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