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May 1, 2004 8:23:34 PM

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Hi,

My manual for the Asus P4PE mainboard specifies the following for
connections to fan headers.

"The fan connectors support cooling fans of 350mA-740mA (8.8W max)."

The fan that I have selected for the cpu header is the Vantec (T9225)
Thermaflow which is variable speed with a maximum current draw of 260mA.

My questions are;

1) What is the significance of the lower 350mA Asus spec, above, as it
relates to the 260mA fan that I want to install.?

2) Given the appropriate selection of a fan to match the heat production
of a given cpu (in this case the Intel Pentium 3.06 533Mhz) is there any
overriding problem using a variable speed fan with a cpu (either with a
header or directly to a power supply?.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

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Anonymous
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May 1, 2004 8:23:35 PM

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On Sat, 01 May 2004 16:23:34 +0930, Brenton Pettitt
<dalpets@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>My manual for the Asus P4PE mainboard specifies the following for
>connections to fan headers.
>
>"The fan connectors support cooling fans of 350mA-740mA (8.8W max)."
>
>The fan that I have selected for the cpu header is the Vantec (T9225)
>Thermaflow which is variable speed with a maximum current draw of 260mA.
>
>My questions are;
>
>1) What is the significance of the lower 350mA Asus spec, above, as it
>relates to the 260mA fan that I want to install.?

The 350mA "might" be the max supported per header and 740mA the max per
ALL headers combined. That seems about right, typical.... boards used
support an average of 6W but that figure was expected to rise with hotter
CPUs. The significance would then be that you had (740-260=) 480mA
remaining potential for other fan(s). However, the Vantec, being variable
speed, will never draw 260mA continuous, probably typical current would be
closer to 140mA, except for.... (see below)


>
>2) Given the appropriate selection of a fan to match the heat production
>of a given cpu (in this case the Intel Pentium 3.06 533Mhz) is there any
>overriding problem using a variable speed fan with a cpu (either with a
>header or directly to a power supply?.

There is a very significant potential problem. The board has the "Q-fan"
feature, making it (possibly) a redundant waste to use a variable speed
fan since the board will vary fan speed automatically. The larger issue
though is that (at least with older Asus boards I've had with that Q-Fan
feature) use of a variable speed fan can, did result in the fan completely
stopping prematurely, then not spinning up again even after CPU was
clearly getting too hot. The solution was to either disable Q-Fan or use
a non-variable, single-speed fan. I choose the latter and reused the
variable speed fan for something else.

So as I referred to above as "see below", the Q-Fan feature will further
reduce that ~140mA guesstimation if the feature is enabled, but the
primary issue is if the current stays HIGH enough, such that the fan never
stalls. I"m not entirely sure why a stalled fan won't then later restart
since "Q-Fan" is supposedly increasing current again but firsthand
experience shows it to be a risk.
May 2, 2004 5:04:13 PM

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On Sat, 01 May 2004 21:12:58 +0930, Brenton Pettitt
<dalpets@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>For the record the manual went on to say.........."or a total of
>1A-2.22A (26.64W max at +12v...." I believe this to refer to all headers
>combined since the manual heading is "cpu, chassis & power fan
>connectors."

yep, thats for all of them together ...

>In regard to variable fans it seem they are the only ones that provide
>high cfms with rpm moitoring and e.g.,the Vantec Tornado whilst it
>provides 119cfm I don't believe I could live with 56.4db. The only
>non-variable fan that I have found available in Oz is the the 92mm
>Panaflow @ 56.8cfm & 40db, but diappointingly it has no rpm monitoring.

this problem is resolvable, see my site under electronics ... :-)

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May 3, 2004 12:03:20 AM

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Asus boards are known, or have been known in the past to blow the fan header
power if you load it down with too many fans or they draw too much amperage.
That said, it's very easy to overload their fan bus. You'll lose all the case fan
power with the exception (usually.... hopefully) of the CPU fan power.

Also, as has been said, your BIOS will vary the CPU fan speed/nonise depending
on the temp.

On Sat, 01 May 2004 16:23:34 +0930, Brenton Pettitt <dalpets@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>My manual for the Asus P4PE mainboard specifies the following for
>connections to fan headers.
>
>"The fan connectors support cooling fans of 350mA-740mA (8.8W max)."
>
>The fan that I have selected for the cpu header is the Vantec (T9225)
>Thermaflow which is variable speed with a maximum current draw of 260mA.
>
>My questions are;
>
>1) What is the significance of the lower 350mA Asus spec, above, as it
>relates to the 260mA fan that I want to install.?
>
>2) Given the appropriate selection of a fan to match the heat production
>of a given cpu (in this case the Intel Pentium 3.06 533Mhz) is there any
>overriding problem using a variable speed fan with a cpu (either with a
>header or directly to a power supply?.
>
>Thanks for any help you can provide.

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Anonymous
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May 4, 2004 12:18:33 AM

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Overlord wrote:

> Also, as has been said, your BIOS will vary the CPU fan speed/nonise depending
> on the temp.

Does anyone know if this also is true for the DFI LanParty NF2 Ultra?
(that's the first version from last october, not the current one.
I might be able to get a used one for cheap from a non-techie)
Wolfi
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