Will Windows Power the Living Room?

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[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]

Will Windows Power the Living Room?
Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.

Joris Evers, IDG News Service
Tuesday, May 04, 2004
SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.

The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.

The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
Microsoft and HP.

The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.

"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
movie downloads.


Multitasking Device
Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
else.

When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
video recording features.

The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
electronics devices.

"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.

The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
PC.

The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
first Smart Displays shipped.

"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
mobile terminals.


Just a Peek
Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.

"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."

A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
same room.

At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.

In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp


==
"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
-- Lenny Bruce
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  1. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Ablang" wrote:
    > At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    > related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    >
    > In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    > about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    > its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    > Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.

    Microsoft is planning the Palladium future, a future free from the burden of choice.

    Jon
  2. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    mv /var/posts/Ablang/HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com /dev/null:
    > [Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    >
    > Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    > Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.

    I hope not.

    Else we'll get blue screens on TV's, Windows Protection Errors on DVD players
    and illegal operations on phones. We didn't account for the corrupted registry
    in the CD player. <g>

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  3. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com

    Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    > [Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    >
    > Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    > Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    >
    > Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    > Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    > SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    > conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    > video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    >
    > The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    > Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    > Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    >
    > The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    > a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    > turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    > or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    > color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    > Microsoft and HP.
    >
    > The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    > says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    >
    > "The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    > we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    > allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    > and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    > movie downloads.
    >
    >
    > Multitasking Device
    > Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    > fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    > individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    > will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    > else.
    >
    > When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    > information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    > take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    > the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    > video recording features.
    >
    > The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    > drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    > marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    > electronics devices.
    >
    > "Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    > potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    > into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    > will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    >
    > The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    > in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    > from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    > that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    > PC.
    >
    > The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    > wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    > first Smart Displays shipped.
    >
    > "The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    > notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    > am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    > broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    > mobile terminals.
    >
    >
    > Just a Peek
    > Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    > be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    >
    > "This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    > says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    > we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    > concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    >
    > A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    > makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    > December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    > need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    > same room.
    >
    > At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    > related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    >
    > In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    > about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    > its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    > Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    >
    > http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    >
    >
    > ==
    > "Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    > are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    > -- Lenny Bruce
  4. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    their own drum beats.
    But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    components...
    Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    think?

    wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    > Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    > http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >
    > Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    > > [Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    > >
    > > Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    > > Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    > >
    > > Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    > > Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    > > SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    > > conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    > > video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    > >
    > > The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    > > Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    > > Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    > >
    > > The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    > > a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    > > turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    > > or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    > > color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    > > Microsoft and HP.
    > >
    > > The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    > > says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    > >
    > > "The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    > > we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    > > allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    > > and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    > > movie downloads.
    > >
    > >
    > > Multitasking Device
    > > Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    > > fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    > > individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    > > will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    > > else.
    > >
    > > When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    > > information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    > > take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    > > the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    > > video recording features.
    > >
    > > The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    > > drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    > > marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    > > electronics devices.
    > >
    > > "Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    > > potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    > > into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    > > will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    > >
    > > The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    > > in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    > > from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    > > that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    > > PC.
    > >
    > > The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    > > wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    > > first Smart Displays shipped.
    > >
    > > "The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    > > notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    > > am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    > > broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    > > mobile terminals.
    > >
    > >
    > > Just a Peek
    > > Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    > > be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    > >
    > > "This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    > > says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    > > we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    > > concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    > >
    > > A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    > > makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    > > December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    > > need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    > > same room.
    > >
    > > At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    > > related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    > >
    > > In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    > > about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    > > its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    > > Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    > >
    > > http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    > >
    > >
    > > ==
    > > "Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    > > are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    > > -- Lenny Bruce
  5. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox into a
    more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to evolve
    further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com

    http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html

    wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    > Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    > their own drum beats.
    > But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    > PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    > components...
    > Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    > think?
    >
    > wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    > > Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    > > http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >
    > > Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    > > > [Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    > > >
    > > > Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    > > > Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    > > >
    > > > Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    > > > Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    > > > SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    > > > conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    > > > video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    > > >
    > > > The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    > > > Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    > > > Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    > > >
    > > > The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    > > > a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    > > > turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    > > > or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    > > > color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    > > > Microsoft and HP.
    > > >
    > > > The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    > > > says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    > > >
    > > > "The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    > > > we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    > > > allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    > > > and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    > > > movie downloads.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Multitasking Device
    > > > Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    > > > fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    > > > individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    > > > will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    > > > else.
    > > >
    > > > When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    > > > information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    > > > take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    > > > the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    > > > video recording features.
    > > >
    > > > The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    > > > drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    > > > marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    > > > electronics devices.
    > > >
    > > > "Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    > > > potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    > > > into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    > > > will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    > > >
    > > > The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    > > > in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    > > > from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    > > > that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    > > > PC.
    > > >
    > > > The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    > > > wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    > > > first Smart Displays shipped.
    > > >
    > > > "The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    > > > notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    > > > am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    > > > broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    > > > mobile terminals.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Just a Peek
    > > > Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    > > > be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    > > >
    > > > "This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    > > > says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    > > > we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    > > > concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    > > >
    > > > A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    > > > makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    > > > December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    > > > need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    > > > same room.
    > > >
    > > > At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    > > > related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    > > >
    > > > In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    > > > about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    > > > its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    > > > Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    > > >
    > > > http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > ==
    > > > "Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    > > > are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    > > > -- Lenny Bruce
  6. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a must
    than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in. This is
    sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also in
    itself a coffee table.


    wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    > I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox into a
    > more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to evolve
    > further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    > http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >
    > http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    >
    > wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    > > Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    > > their own drum beats.
    > > But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    > > PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    > > components...
    > > Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    > > think?
    > >
    > > wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    > > > Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    > > > http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > > >
    > > > Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    > > > > [Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    > > > >
    > > > > Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    > > > > Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    > > > >
    > > > > Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    > > > > Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    > > > > SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    > > > > conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    > > > > video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    > > > >
    > > > > The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    > > > > Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    > > > > Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    > > > >
    > > > > The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    > > > > a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    > > > > turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    > > > > or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    > > > > color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    > > > > Microsoft and HP.
    > > > >
    > > > > The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    > > > > says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    > > > >
    > > > > "The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    > > > > we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    > > > > allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    > > > > and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    > > > > movie downloads.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Multitasking Device
    > > > > Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    > > > > fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    > > > > individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    > > > > will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    > > > > else.
    > > > >
    > > > > When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    > > > > information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    > > > > take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    > > > > the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    > > > > video recording features.
    > > > >
    > > > > The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    > > > > drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    > > > > marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    > > > > electronics devices.
    > > > >
    > > > > "Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    > > > > potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    > > > > into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    > > > > will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    > > > >
    > > > > The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    > > > > in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    > > > > from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    > > > > that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    > > > > PC.
    > > > >
    > > > > The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    > > > > wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    > > > > first Smart Displays shipped.
    > > > >
    > > > > "The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    > > > > notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    > > > > am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    > > > > broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    > > > > mobile terminals.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Just a Peek
    > > > > Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    > > > > be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    > > > >
    > > > > "This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    > > > > says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    > > > > we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    > > > > concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    > > > >
    > > > > A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    > > > > makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    > > > > December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    > > > > need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    > > > > same room.
    > > > >
    > > > > At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    > > > > related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    > > > >
    > > > > In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    > > > > about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    > > > > its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    > > > > Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    > > > >
    > > > > http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > ==
    > > > > "Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    > > > > are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    > > > > -- Lenny Bruce
  7. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Didn't Kramer come up with something like that on Steinfeld? :)

    baracooda wrote:
    >
    > This is
    > sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also in
    > itself a coffee table.
    >
  8. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    baracooda wrote:

    > Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a must
    > than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.

    You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who knows what
    others.

    > This is
    > sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also in
    > itself a coffee table.
    >
    >
    > wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    >
    >>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox into a
    >>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to evolve
    >>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    >>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>
    >>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    >>
    >>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    >>
    >>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    >>>their own drum beats.
    >>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    >>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    >>>components...
    >>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    >>>think?
    >>>
    >>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    >>>
    >>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    >>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>
    >>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    >>>>
    >>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    >>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    >>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    >>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    >>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    >>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    >>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    >>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    >>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    >>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    >>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    >>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    >>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    >>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    >>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    >>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    >>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    >>>>>movie downloads.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Multitasking Device
    >>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    >>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    >>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    >>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    >>>>>else.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    >>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    >>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    >>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    >>>>>video recording features.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    >>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    >>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    >>>>>electronics devices.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    >>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    >>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    >>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    >>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    >>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    >>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    >>>>>PC.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    >>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    >>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    >>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    >>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    >>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    >>>>>mobile terminals.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Just a Peek
    >>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    >>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    >>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    >>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    >>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    >>>>>
    >>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    >>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    >>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    >>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    >>>>>same room.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    >>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    >>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    >>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    >>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>==
    >>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    >>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    >>>>> -- Lenny Bruce
  9. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    wipe out?
    Not quite, but the evolution can be a slow processs.
    But trends are brewing underneath the surface.
    Any entity with even trace amount of intelligence will refuse to
    remain immobile forever. Especially, coupled with sense of sight and
    sound.
    The laptop is actually an immobile machine. Somebody had to pick it up
    and move it from point A to point B, despite how "fast" the CPU might
    be. Motorized wheel-chair for handicapped human, and motorized
    wheel-desk for handicapped computer. Doesn't that sound too obvious?

    David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    > baracooda wrote:
    >
    > > Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a must
    > > than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    >
    > You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who knows what
    > others.
    >
    > > This is
    > > sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also in
    > > itself a coffee table.
    > >
    > >
    > > wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    > >
    > >>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox into a
    > >>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to evolve
    > >>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    > >>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >>
    > >>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    > >>
    > >>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    > >>
    > >>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    > >>>their own drum beats.
    > >>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    > >>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    > >>>components...
    > >>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    > >>>think?
    > >>>
    > >>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>
    > >>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    > >>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    > >>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    > >>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    > >>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    > >>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    > >>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    > >>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    > >>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    > >>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    > >>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    > >>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    > >>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    > >>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    > >>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    > >>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    > >>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    > >>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    > >>>>>movie downloads.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Multitasking Device
    > >>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    > >>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    > >>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    > >>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    > >>>>>else.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    > >>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    > >>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    > >>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    > >>>>>video recording features.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    > >>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    > >>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    > >>>>>electronics devices.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    > >>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    > >>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    > >>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    > >>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    > >>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    > >>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    > >>>>>PC.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    > >>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    > >>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    > >>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    > >>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    > >>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    > >>>>>mobile terminals.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Just a Peek
    > >>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    > >>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    > >>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    > >>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    > >>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    > >>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    > >>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    > >>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    > >>>>>same room.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    > >>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    > >>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    > >>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    > >>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>==
    > >>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    > >>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    > >>>>> -- Lenny Bruce
  10. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    baracooda wrote:
    > wipe out?
    > Not quite, but the evolution can be a slow processs.
    > But trends are brewing underneath the surface.
    > Any entity with even trace amount of intelligence will refuse to
    > remain immobile forever. Especially, coupled with sense of sight and
    > sound.
    > The laptop is actually an immobile machine. Somebody had to pick it up
    > and move it from point A to point B, despite how "fast" the CPU might
    > be. Motorized wheel-chair for handicapped human, and motorized
    > wheel-desk for handicapped computer. Doesn't that sound too obvious?

    Frankly, it sounds like gibberish.

    The fact is, while many people use them on desks, it is not 'a must' for a
    'PeeCee', with laptops/notebooks being just one obvious example. And, no,
    they don't need a 'motorized wheel-desk' to be mobile, nor to use them.

    In addition to notebooks, I already have a VCR sized HTPC, run with a 'TV'
    style remote, similar to that mentioned in the article and I don't want a
    'desk' built into that one either.

    Nor, btw, do I want a 'desk built in' my desk lamp, Mont Blanc pen, note
    pad, telephone, or anything else that I 'traditionally use' on my desk
    because there's no benefit in doing so but plenty of drawbacks.


    > David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    >
    >>baracooda wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a must
    >>>than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    >>
    >>You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who knows what
    >>others.
    >>
    >>
    >>>This is
    >>>sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also in
    >>>itself a coffee table.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox into a
    >>>>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to evolve
    >>>>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    >>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>
    >>>>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    >>>>
    >>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    >>>>>their own drum beats.
    >>>>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    >>>>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    >>>>>components...
    >>>>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    >>>>>think?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    >>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    >>>>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    >>>>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    >>>>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    >>>>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    >>>>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    >>>>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    >>>>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    >>>>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    >>>>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    >>>>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    >>>>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    >>>>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    >>>>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    >>>>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    >>>>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    >>>>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    >>>>>>>movie downloads.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Multitasking Device
    >>>>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    >>>>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    >>>>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    >>>>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    >>>>>>>else.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    >>>>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    >>>>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    >>>>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    >>>>>>>video recording features.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    >>>>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    >>>>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    >>>>>>>electronics devices.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    >>>>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    >>>>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    >>>>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    >>>>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    >>>>>>>PC.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    >>>>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    >>>>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    >>>>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    >>>>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    >>>>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    >>>>>>>mobile terminals.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Just a Peek
    >>>>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    >>>>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    >>>>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    >>>>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    >>>>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    >>>>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    >>>>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    >>>>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    >>>>>>>same room.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    >>>>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    >>>>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    >>>>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    >>>>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>==
    >>>>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    >>>>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    >>>>>>> -- Lenny Bruce
  11. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    On 30 Jun 2004 15:19:23 -0700, wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda)
    wrote:

    >wipe out?
    >Not quite, but the evolution can be a slow processs.
    >But trends are brewing underneath the surface.
    >Any entity with even trace amount of intelligence will refuse to
    >remain immobile forever. Especially, coupled with sense of sight and
    >sound.
    >The laptop is actually an immobile machine. Somebody had to pick it up
    >and move it from point A to point B, despite how "fast" the CPU might
    >be. Motorized wheel-chair for handicapped human, and motorized
    >wheel-desk for handicapped computer. Doesn't that sound too obvious?
    >

    Nonsense.

    Wake up, your fairytale land is not based on logic, it is not an
    evolution at all but rather a lack of understanding of how to
    implent existing devices toward your needs.

    There are plenty of examples of mobile devices, the laptop being
    one of them. Self-locomotion is not required for a device to be
    mobile, quite the contrary it would be a step backwards to
    implement it instead of the current trend to develop smaller
    devices and better power sources. If the human is too sickly to
    tote around a dozen-ounce remote interface device they have
    larger problems to combat than the way their computing devices
    allow mobility.

    If a computer did become completely self-mobile and powerful
    enough to be useful at all times, what make you think it would
    _WANT_ to follow you around to serve you? Perhaps it would run
    the other direction.
  12. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Undeniably, Robotic PC is the ideal digital camera carrier.
    I only included other items to make it more livingroom friendly.
    Of course users will put whatever they wish on this robotic desk.
    Robotic PC isn't rocket science, except in the case of Mars Rover.
    On earth, PC modders are experimenting with all kinds of crazy schemes.
    Why not give deskoid robotic PC a thought, it might not be so "gibberish"


    > Frankly, it sounds like gibberish.
    >
    > The fact is, while many people use them on desks, it is not 'a must' for a
    > 'PeeCee', with laptops/notebooks being just one obvious example. And, no,
    > they don't need a 'motorized wheel-desk' to be mobile, nor to use them.
    >
    > In addition to notebooks, I already have a VCR sized HTPC, run with a 'TV'
    > style remote, similar to that mentioned in the article and I don't want a
    > 'desk' built into that one either.
    >
    > Nor, btw, do I want a 'desk built in' my desk lamp, Mont Blanc pen, note
    > pad, telephone, or anything else that I 'traditionally use' on my desk
    > because there's no benefit in doing so but plenty of drawbacks.
    >
    >
    > > David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    > >
    > >>baracooda wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a must
    > >>>than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    > >>
    > >>You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who knows what
    > >>others.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>This is
    > >>>sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also in
    > >>>itself a coffee table.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox into a
    > >>>>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to evolve
    > >>>>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    > >>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >>>>
    > >>>>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    > >>>>
    > >>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    > >>>>>their own drum beats.
    > >>>>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    > >>>>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    > >>>>>components...
    > >>>>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    > >>>>>think?
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    > >>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    > >>>>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    > >>>>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    > >>>>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    > >>>>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    > >>>>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    > >>>>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    > >>>>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    > >>>>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    > >>>>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    > >>>>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    > >>>>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    > >>>>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    > >>>>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    > >>>>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    > >>>>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    > >>>>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    > >>>>>>>movie downloads.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Multitasking Device
    > >>>>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    > >>>>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    > >>>>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    > >>>>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    > >>>>>>>else.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    > >>>>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    > >>>>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    > >>>>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    > >>>>>>>video recording features.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    > >>>>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    > >>>>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    > >>>>>>>electronics devices.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    > >>>>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    > >>>>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    > >>>>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    > >>>>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    >
    > >>>>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    >
    > >>>>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    > >>>>>>>PC.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    > >>>>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    > >>>>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    > >>>>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    > >>>>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    > >>>>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    > >>>>>>>mobile terminals.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Just a Peek
    > >>>>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    > >>>>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    > >>>>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    > >>>>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    > >>>>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    > >>>>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    > >>>>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    > >>>>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    > >>>>>>>same room.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    > >>>>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    > >>>>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    > >>>>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    > >>>>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>==
    > >>>>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    > >>>>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    > >>>>>>> -- Lenny Bruce
  13. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    baracooda wrote:

    > Undeniably, Robotic PC is the ideal digital camera carrier.

    Ideal camera carrier for what? Investigating live volcano cores?


    > I only included other items to make it more livingroom friendly.
    > Of course users will put whatever they wish on this robotic desk.
    > Robotic PC isn't rocket science, except in the case of Mars Rover.
    > On earth, PC modders are experimenting with all kinds of crazy schemes.

    The key word there just might be "crazy."

    > Why not give deskoid robotic PC a thought, it might not be so "gibberish"

    I didn't say a thing about 'robots'. It was your claim that desks are "a
    must" for 'PeeCees' that I disputed, with examples provided. And then that
    your follow-up argument, to presumably support the claim, was gibberish.


    >>Frankly, it sounds like gibberish.
    >>
    >>The fact is, while many people use them on desks, it is not 'a must' for a
    >>'PeeCee', with laptops/notebooks being just one obvious example. And, no,
    >>they don't need a 'motorized wheel-desk' to be mobile, nor to use them.
    >>
    >>In addition to notebooks, I already have a VCR sized HTPC, run with a 'TV'
    >>style remote, similar to that mentioned in the article and I don't want a
    >>'desk' built into that one either.
    >>
    >>Nor, btw, do I want a 'desk built in' my desk lamp, Mont Blanc pen, note
    >>pad, telephone, or anything else that I 'traditionally use' on my desk
    >>because there's no benefit in doing so but plenty of drawbacks.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>baracooda wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a must
    >>>>>than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    >>>>
    >>>>You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who knows what
    >>>>others.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>This is
    >>>>>sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also in
    >>>>>itself a coffee table.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox into a
    >>>>>>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to evolve
    >>>>>>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    >>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    >>>>>>>their own drum beats.
    >>>>>>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    >>>>>>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    >>>>>>>components...
    >>>>>>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    >>>>>>>think?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    >>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    >>>>>>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    >>>>>>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    >>>>>>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    >>>>>>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    >>>>>>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    >>>>>>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    >>>>>>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    >>>>>>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    >>>>>>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    >>>>>>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    >>>>>>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    >>>>>>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    >>>>>>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    >>>>>>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    >>>>>>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    >>>>>>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    >>>>>>>>>movie downloads.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Multitasking Device
    >>>>>>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    >>>>>>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    >>>>>>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    >>>>>>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    >>>>>>>>>else.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    >>>>>>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    >>>>>>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    >>>>>>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    >>>>>>>>>video recording features.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    >>>>>>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    >>>>>>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    >>>>>>>>>electronics devices.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    >>>>>>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    >>>>>>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    >>>>>>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    >>>>>>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    >>>>>>>>>PC.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    >>>>>>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    >>>>>>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    >>>>>>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    >>>>>>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    >>>>>>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    >>>>>>>>>mobile terminals.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Just a Peek
    >>>>>>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    >>>>>>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    >>>>>>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    >>>>>>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    >>>>>>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    >>>>>>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    >>>>>>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    >>>>>>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    >>>>>>>>>same room.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    >>>>>>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    >>>>>>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    >>>>>>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    >>>>>>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>==
    >>>>>>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    >>>>>>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    >>>>>>>>> -- Lenny Bruce
  14. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    > Ideal camera carrier for what? Investigating live volcano core.

    With WiFi, a camera connected to a robotic PC enables remote user to
    steer and explore certain event of interest miles away like college
    courses, family functions, corporate meetings and tourist
    destinations. It also has the potential to turn an digital camera into
    a prolific picture capturing machine that as soon as you press the
    shutter, the captured images can be email to any email address
    instantly.

    > The key word there just might be "crazy."

    Crazy? What so crazy about adding motorized wheels on to a computer
    and make it look like a desk? and call it Deskoid Robotic PC?

    > > Why not give deskoid robotic PC a thought, it might not be so "gibberish"
    >
    > I didn't say a thing about 'robots'. It was your claim that desks are "a
    > must" for 'PeeCees' that I disputed, with examples provided. And then that
    > your follow-up argument, to presumably support the claim, was gibberish.

    Sorry for the confusion, but what is "PeeCees"? Than again that sounds
    like a minor detail. Why don't we just let it slide?

    >
    > >>Frankly, it sounds like gibberish.
    > >>
    > >>The fact is, while many people use them on desks, it is not 'a must' for a
    > >>'PeeCee', with laptops/notebooks being just one obvious example. And, no,
    > >>they don't need a 'motorized wheel-desk' to be mobile, nor to use them.
    > >>
    > >>In addition to notebooks, I already have a VCR sized HTPC, run with a 'TV'
    > >>style remote, similar to that mentioned in the article and I don't want a
    > >>'desk' built into that one either.
    > >>
    > >>Nor, btw, do I want a 'desk built in' my desk lamp, Mont Blanc pen, note
    > >>pad, telephone, or anything else that I 'traditionally use' on my desk
    > >>because there's no benefit in doing so but plenty of drawbacks.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>baracooda wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a must
    > >>>>>than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who knows what
    > >>>>others.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>This is
    > >>>>>sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also in
    > >>>>>itself a coffee table.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox into a
    > >>>>>>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to evolve
    > >>>>>>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    > >>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    > >>>>>>>their own drum beats.
    > >>>>>>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    > >>>>>>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    > >>>>>>>components...
    > >>>>>>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    > >>>>>>>think?
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    > >>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    > >>>>>>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    > >>>>>>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    > >>>>>>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    > >>>>>>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    > >>>>>>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    > >>>>>>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    > >>>>>>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    > >>>>>>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    > >>>>>>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    > >>>>>>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    > >>>>>>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    > >>>>>>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    > >>>>>>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    > >>>>>>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    > >>>>>>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    > >>>>>>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    > >>>>>>>>>movie downloads.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Multitasking Device
    > >>>>>>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    > >>>>>>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    > >>>>>>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    > >>>>>>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    > >>>>>>>>>else.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    > >>>>>>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    > >>>>>>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    > >>>>>>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    > >>>>>>>>>video recording features.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    > >>>>>>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    > >>>>>>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    > >>>>>>>>>electronics devices.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    > >>>>>>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    > >>>>>>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    > >>>>>>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    > >>>>>>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>>>>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>>>>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    > >>>>>>>>>PC.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    > >>>>>>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    > >>>>>>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    > >>>>>>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    > >>>>>>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    > >>>>>>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    > >>>>>>>>>mobile terminals.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Just a Peek
    > >>>>>>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    > >>>>>>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    > >>>>>>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    > >>>>>>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    > >>>>>>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    > >>>>>>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    > >>>>>>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    > >>>>>>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    > >>>>>>>>>same room.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    > >>>>>>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    > >>>>>>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    > >>>>>>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    > >>>>>>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>==
    > >>>>>>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    > >>>>>>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    > >>>>>>>>> -- Lenny Bruce
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    Perhaps I deserve a little more creative leeway than you have given to
    your daughter's nose-piercing boyfriend at Thanksgiving dinner table.
    Remotely steer-able deskoid robotic PC can also be use as a docking
    station for
    all other smaller devices such as iPod,mobile phone or PDA. OR may be
    even your Rolex, keys, wallets, or anything you don't leave home
    without. Occasionaly some of us do rush out of the house and forgot
    one thing or the other.
    In case of any kinds of emergency, this robotic PC will be by your
    side to help you escape. Since this Robotic PC is basically a
    communication appliance in the new world.

    > Nonsense.
    >
    > Wake up, your fairytale land is not based on logic, it is not an
    > evolution at all but rather a lack of understanding of how to
    > implent existing devices toward your needs.
    >
    > There are plenty of examples of mobile devices, the laptop being
    > one of them. Self-locomotion is not required for a device to be
    > mobile, quite the contrary it would be a step backwards to
    > implement it instead of the current trend to develop smaller
    > devices and better power sources. If the human is too sickly to
    > tote around a dozen-ounce remote interface device they have
    > larger problems to combat than the way their computing devices
    > allow mobility.
    >
    > If a computer did become completely self-mobile and powerful
    > enough to be useful at all times, what make you think it would
    > _WANT_ to follow you around to serve you? Perhaps it would run
    > the other direction.
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    baracooda wrote:

    >>Ideal camera carrier for what? Investigating live volcano core.
    >
    >
    > With WiFi, a camera connected to a robotic PC enables remote user to
    > steer and explore certain event of interest miles away like college
    > courses, family functions, corporate meetings and tourist
    > destinations. It also has the potential to turn an digital camera into
    > a prolific picture capturing machine that as soon as you press the
    > shutter, the captured images can be email to any email address
    > instantly.

    One of the problems with your 'explanations' is you incoherently jump all
    over the place at random. LAST message you were talking about in the
    "living room" and now you're roving "college courses" for some unknown reason.

    The fact of the matter is, for what most 'normal' people use a camera for
    it's just fine to hold it in your cute little fingers and take the
    pictures: no 'robot' needed.

    >>The key word there just might be "crazy."
    >
    >
    > Crazy? What so crazy about adding motorized wheels on to a computer
    > and make it look like a desk? and call it Deskoid Robotic PC?

    Because it is a 'solution' looking for a problem and in the finest Rube
    Goldberg tradition (especially your obsession with 'a desk'): "Look mom, I
    made a 10 grand 'roving desk' to carry my 200 buck camera." And I imagine
    the typical reply would be "what on earth FOR?"

    To which you list off supposed 'features' (what it 'could do') but no
    benefits. E.g. Why would someone want "a prolific picture capturing
    machine" when what most people want are 'good pictures' of specific things
    (not to mention their own creative input in taking the picture), not simply
    a million of them? Why would someone want to sit in a room navigating the
    'roving desk' to "tourist destinations" when the point of taking 'tourist
    pictures' is to show where THEY'VE been and what THEY saw? (otherwise, stay
    home and watch the Travel Channel.)

    On the other hand, exploring a live volcano core with a robot HAS benefits:
    you don't risk human lives. But there's not much reason to send a DESK with
    it, unless you expect to see some Star Trekian 'lava creature' spring forth
    and you want a convenient spot for him to send email from.

    >>>Why not give deskoid robotic PC a thought, it might not be so "gibberish"
    >>
    >>I didn't say a thing about 'robots'. It was your claim that desks are "a
    >>must" for 'PeeCees' that I disputed, with examples provided. And then that
    >>your follow-up argument, to presumably support the claim, was gibberish.
    >
    >
    > Sorry for the confusion, but what is "PeeCees"?

    It's the (slang) 'phonetic' of PC: PeeCee(s, for plural) and distinguishes
    it from Politically Correct.

    > Than again that sounds
    > like a minor detail. Why don't we just let it slide?
    >
    >
    >>>>Frankly, it sounds like gibberish.
    >>>>
    >>>>The fact is, while many people use them on desks, it is not 'a must' for a
    >>>>'PeeCee', with laptops/notebooks being just one obvious example. And, no,
    >>>>they don't need a 'motorized wheel-desk' to be mobile, nor to use them.
    >>>>
    >>>>In addition to notebooks, I already have a VCR sized HTPC, run with a 'TV'
    >>>>style remote, similar to that mentioned in the article and I don't want a
    >>>>'desk' built into that one either.
    >>>>
    >>>>Nor, btw, do I want a 'desk built in' my desk lamp, Mont Blanc pen, note
    >>>>pad, telephone, or anything else that I 'traditionally use' on my desk
    >>>>because there's no benefit in doing so but plenty of drawbacks.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>baracooda wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a must
    >>>>>>>than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who knows what
    >>>>>>others.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>This is
    >>>>>>>sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also in
    >>>>>>>itself a coffee table.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox into a
    >>>>>>>>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to evolve
    >>>>>>>>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    >>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    >>>>>>>>>their own drum beats.
    >>>>>>>>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    >>>>>>>>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    >>>>>>>>>components...
    >>>>>>>>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    >>>>>>>>>think?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    >>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    >>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    >>>>>>>>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    >>>>>>>>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    >>>>>>>>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    >>>>>>>>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    >>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    >>>>>>>>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    >>>>>>>>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    >>>>>>>>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    >>>>>>>>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    >>>>>>>>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    >>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    >>>>>>>>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    >>>>>>>>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    >>>>>>>>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    >>>>>>>>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>movie downloads.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Multitasking Device
    >>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    >>>>>>>>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    >>>>>>>>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    >>>>>>>>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    >>>>>>>>>>>else.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    >>>>>>>>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    >>>>>>>>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    >>>>>>>>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    >>>>>>>>>>>video recording features.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    >>>>>>>>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    >>>>>>>>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    >>>>>>>>>>>electronics devices.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    >>>>>>>>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    >>>>>>>>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    >>>>>>>>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    >>>>>>>>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    >>>>>>>>>>>PC.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    >>>>>>>>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    >>>>>>>>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    >>>>>>>>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    >>>>>>>>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    >>>>>>>>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    >>>>>>>>>>>mobile terminals.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Just a Peek
    >>>>>>>>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    >>>>>>>>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    >>>>>>>>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    >>>>>>>>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    >>>>>>>>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    >>>>>>>>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    >>>>>>>>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    >>>>>>>>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    >>>>>>>>>>>same room.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    >>>>>>>>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    >>>>>>>>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    >>>>>>>>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    >>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>==
    >>>>>>>>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    >>>>>>>>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    >>>>>>>>>>> -- Lenny Bruce
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    > One of the problems with your 'explanations' is you incoherently jump all
    > over the place at random. LAST message you were talking about in the
    > "living room" and now you're roving "college courses" for some unknown reason.

    Robotic PC will enable you to take college courses from the comfort of
    your living room, provided that you have a robotic PC on both end. It
    is another way of interacting with people and things in this world. In
    this case robotic PC=two way mobile videoconference machine.

    > The fact of the matter is, for what most 'normal' people use a camera for
    > it's just fine to hold it in your cute little fingers and take the
    > pictures: no 'robot' needed.

    With robotic PC as a camera server, user can login to this server and
    take pictures from miles away with out any travel time. There are
    certain spots in this world where such service might be welcome. After
    all these decades, one still have to use a finger to take a picture
    one by one?

    > Because it is a 'solution' looking for a problem and in the finest Rube
    > Goldberg tradition (especially your obsession with 'a desk'): "Look mom, I
    > made a 10 grand 'roving desk' to carry my 200 buck camera." And I imagine
    > the typical reply would be "what on earth FOR?"

    I have disclosed this idea to many others before. The responses ranges
    from one end of the spectrum to "I wish to remain an Amish". A few
    begins to explore the possibility even beyond my imagination.
    Basically, what I trying to say is that the whole is greater than sum
    of its parts. This machine has the potential to do many new things
    that can't be (easily) done before.

    >
    > To which you list off supposed 'features' (what it 'could do') but no
    > benefits. E.g. Why would someone want "a prolific picture capturing
    > machine" when what most people want are 'good pictures' of specific things
    > (not to mention their own creative input in taking the picture), not simply
    > a million of them? Why would someone want to sit in a room navigating the
    > 'roving desk' to "tourist destinations" when the point of taking 'tourist
    > pictures' is to show where THEY'VE been and what THEY saw? (otherwise, stay
    > home and watch the Travel Channel.)

    Robotic PC will be a good way to help you choose your next travel
    destination. No machine can replace an actual vacation, at least not
    yet.
    A travel channel only shows what the producer wants you to see or what
    the camera man happens to point the camera in that particular
    direction. With the robotic PC, you are in control of the camera, and
    interact with whom ever in the picture in real time. Sort of like your
    own personal live broadcast system.
    >
    > On the other hand, exploring a live volcano core with a robot HAS benefits:
    > you don't risk human lives. But there's not much reason to send a DESK with
    > it, unless you expect to see some Star Trekian 'lava creature' spring forth
    > and you want a convenient spot for him to send email from.

    The "desk" feature of this Robotic PC design is only dominant when you
    use this robot as an ordinary PC. When using this robotic PC as a
    probe in a remote location, the desk collapsed to make the whole thing
    more compact, nimble and ready to mingle.
    >
    > >>>Why not give deskoid robotic PC a thought, it might not be so "gibberish"
    > >>
    > >>I didn't say a thing about 'robots'. It was your claim that desks are "a
    > >>must" for 'PeeCees' that I disputed, with examples provided. And then that
    > >>your follow-up argument, to presumably support the claim, was gibberish.
    > >
    > >
    > > Sorry for the confusion, but what is "PeeCees"?
    >
    > It's the (slang) 'phonetic' of PC: PeeCee(s, for plural) and distinguishes
    > it from Politically Correct.
    >
    > > Than again that sounds
    > > like a minor detail. Why don't we just let it slide?
    > >
    > >
    > >>>>Frankly, it sounds like gibberish.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>The fact is, while many people use them on desks, it is not 'a must' for a
    > >>>>'PeeCee', with laptops/notebooks being just one obvious example. And, no,
    > >>>>they don't need a 'motorized wheel-desk' to be mobile, nor to use them.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>In addition to notebooks, I already have a VCR sized HTPC, run with a 'TV'
    > >>>>style remote, similar to that mentioned in the article and I don't want a
    > >>>>'desk' built into that one either.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Nor, btw, do I want a 'desk built in' my desk lamp, Mont Blanc pen, note
    > >>>>pad, telephone, or anything else that I 'traditionally use' on my desk
    > >>>>because there's no benefit in doing so but plenty of drawbacks.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>baracooda wrote:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a must
    > >>>>>>>than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who knows what
    > >>>>>>others.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>This is
    > >>>>>>>sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also in
    > >>>>>>>itself a coffee table.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox into a
    > >>>>>>>>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to evolve
    > >>>>>>>>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    > >>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    > >>>>>>>>>their own drum beats.
    > >>>>>>>>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    > >>>>>>>>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    > >>>>>>>>>components...
    > >>>>>>>>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    > >>>>>>>>>think?
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    > >>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    > >>>>>>>>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    > >>>>>>>>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    > >>>>>>>>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    > >>>>>>>>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    > >>>>>>>>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    > >>>>>>>>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    > >>>>>>>>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    > >>>>>>>>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    > >>>>>>>>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    > >>>>>>>>>>>movie downloads.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Multitasking Device
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    > >>>>>>>>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    > >>>>>>>>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    > >>>>>>>>>>>else.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    > >>>>>>>>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    > >>>>>>>>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    > >>>>>>>>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    > >>>>>>>>>>>video recording features.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    > >>>>>>>>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    > >>>>>>>>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    > >>>>>>>>>>>electronics devices.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    > >>>>>>>>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    > >>>>>>>>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    > >>>>>>>>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    > >>>>>>>>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    > >>>>>>>>>>>PC.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    > >>>>>>>>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    > >>>>>>>>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    > >>>>>>>>>>>mobile terminals.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Just a Peek
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    > >>>>>>>>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    > >>>>>>>>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    > >>>>>>>>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    > >>>>>>>>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>same room.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    > >>>>>>>>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    > >>>>>>>>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    > >>>>>>>>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>==
    > >>>>>>>>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    > >>>>>>>>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    > >>>>>>>>>>> -- Lenny Bruce
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    On 3 Jul 2004 14:42:26 -0700, wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda)
    wrote:

    >Perhaps I deserve a little more creative leeway than you have given to
    >your daughter's nose-piercing boyfriend at Thanksgiving dinner table.
    >Remotely steer-able deskoid robotic PC can also be use as a docking
    >station for
    >all other smaller devices such as iPod,mobile phone or PDA. OR may be
    >even your Rolex, keys, wallets, or anything you don't leave home
    >without. Occasionaly some of us do rush out of the house and forgot
    >one thing or the other.


    >In case of any kinds of emergency, this robotic PC will be by your
    >side to help you escape. Since this Robotic PC is basically a
    >communication appliance in the new world.
    >

    So this isn't actually a robotic PC, but rather the stereotypical
    robot, which of course is a computer(s). There are robots
    already, of course, just not evolved enough to be your personal
    servant yet. You do still keep ignoring the obvious, that having
    this "thing" bring you comm devices or other features is a waste,
    since you must already be in contact with it, and as such, you
    already have potential comm with the rest of the world. The key
    being that the goal is not computers that move themselves but
    small enough, light enough, and energy conservative enough that
    it's already with you or integral to the environment you're in.
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    > So this isn't actually a robotic PC, but rather the stereotypical
    > robot, which of course is a computer(s). There are robots
    > already, of course, just not evolved enough to be your personal
    > servant yet. You do still keep ignoring the obvious, that having
    > this "thing" bring you comm devices or other features is a waste,
    > since you must already be in contact with it, and as such, you
    > already have potential comm with the rest of the world. The key
    > being that the goal is not computers that move themselves but
    > small enough, light enough, and energy conservative enough that
    > it's already with you or integral to the environment you're in.

    Robotic PC is a product with multiple personality. But, I don't expect
    it to be a helpful personal servant any time soon. Perhaps Honda think
    otherwise. Unless it is marketed successfully as a toy, even then I
    doubt there is a high demand for a personal delivery robot, maybe the
    nursing homes.
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    kony wrote:

    > On 3 Jul 2004 14:42:26 -0700, wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda)
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Perhaps I deserve a little more creative leeway than you have given to
    >>your daughter's nose-piercing boyfriend at Thanksgiving dinner table.
    >>Remotely steer-able deskoid robotic PC can also be use as a docking
    >>station for
    >>all other smaller devices such as iPod,mobile phone or PDA. OR may be
    >>even your Rolex, keys, wallets, or anything you don't leave home
    >>without. Occasionaly some of us do rush out of the house and forgot
    >>one thing or the other.
    >
    >
    >
    >>In case of any kinds of emergency, this robotic PC will be by your
    >>side to help you escape. Since this Robotic PC is basically a
    >>communication appliance in the new world.
    >>
    >
    >
    > So this isn't actually a robotic PC, but rather the stereotypical
    > robot, which of course is a computer(s). There are robots
    > already, of course, just not evolved enough to be your personal
    > servant yet. You do still keep ignoring the obvious, that having
    > this "thing" bring you comm devices or other features is a waste,
    > since you must already be in contact with it, and as such, you
    > already have potential comm with the rest of the world. The key
    > being that the goal is not computers that move themselves but
    > small enough, light enough, and energy conservative enough that
    > it's already with you or integral to the environment you're in.


    Quite right.

    And if people want to fantasize about mobile robots then the first thing
    they need to solve is some way it can actually be agile enough to 'be with
    you', or go a reasonable number of places without having to build wheel
    ramps for the silly things. Once they get that far one can then start
    thinking about useful applications.

    A 'rolling desk' just ain't real mobile in the real world.
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    baracooda wrote:

    >>One of the problems with your 'explanations' is you incoherently jump all
    >>over the place at random. LAST message you were talking about in the
    >>"living room" and now you're roving "college courses" for some unknown reason.
    >
    >
    > Robotic PC will enable you to take college courses from the comfort of
    > your living room, provided that you have a robotic PC on both end. It
    > is another way of interacting with people and things in this world. In
    > this case robotic PC=two way mobile videoconference machine.

    So does a camera and a TV set. PBS has been doing it for decades, and
    without a roving robo-desk I might add.


    >>The fact of the matter is, for what most 'normal' people use a camera for
    >>it's just fine to hold it in your cute little fingers and take the
    >>pictures: no 'robot' needed.
    >
    >
    > With robotic PC as a camera server, user can login to this server and
    > take pictures from miles away with out any travel time. There are
    > certain spots in this world where such service might be welcome.

    Watch the Travel Channel if you don't want to 'go there'.

    > After
    > all these decades, one still have to use a finger to take a picture
    > one by one?

    Because it's convenient, cheap, and does precisely the job I want. And
    you've not provided any benefit to doing it another way; just that it
    'could be done' another way.

    And I don't need a robot to wipe my butt either just to be your version of
    'modern' vs the 'decades old way'.


    >>Because it is a 'solution' looking for a problem and in the finest Rube
    >>Goldberg tradition (especially your obsession with 'a desk'): "Look mom, I
    >>made a 10 grand 'roving desk' to carry my 200 buck camera." And I imagine
    >>the typical reply would be "what on earth FOR?"
    >
    >
    > I have disclosed this idea to many others before. The responses ranges
    > from one end of the spectrum to "I wish to remain an Amish". A few
    > begins to explore the possibility even beyond my imagination.
    > Basically, what I trying to say is that the whole is greater than sum
    > of its parts. This machine has the potential to do many new things
    > that can't be (easily) done before.

    You seem to miss the point: Just doing things a 'new way' isn't a goal, in
    and of itself, nor necessarily desirable. There must be some BENEFIT to
    doing it the 'new way', and it must be practical (which includes cost), or
    else it ends up in a TV show about "crazy ideas that never made it." (all
    of which were 'new ways', 'modern', and 'did things'.)


    >>To which you list off supposed 'features' (what it 'could do') but no
    >>benefits. E.g. Why would someone want "a prolific picture capturing
    >>machine" when what most people want are 'good pictures' of specific things
    >>(not to mention their own creative input in taking the picture), not simply
    >>a million of them? Why would someone want to sit in a room navigating the
    >>'roving desk' to "tourist destinations" when the point of taking 'tourist
    >>pictures' is to show where THEY'VE been and what THEY saw? (otherwise, stay
    >>home and watch the Travel Channel.)
    >
    >
    > Robotic PC will be a good way to help you choose your next travel
    > destination.

    A 10 grand robot, plus airfare for it, to replace a free travel brochure?
    And don't bother with descriptions of how much 'better' than a travel
    brochure it is because I can hear the average person's reply right now
    "hell, for THAT price I could GO there mySELF!"


    > No machine can replace an actual vacation, at least not
    > yet.

    Not yet? WHY in god's name would ANYone EVER want it to 'replace' their
    vacation?

    > A travel channel only shows what the producer wants you to see or what
    > the camera man happens to point the camera in that particular
    > direction. With the robotic PC, you are in control of the camera, and
    > interact with whom ever in the picture in real time. Sort of like your
    > own personal live broadcast system.

    'Interact' with? Bloody well GO THERE if you want to 'see', 'interact', and
    have your vacation.

    Given the current state of the art, the kinds of 'features' you're talking
    about are pretty much useful only for places humans CAN'T (at least easily)
    go to, like Mars or the core of a live volcano.

    >>On the other hand, exploring a live volcano core with a robot HAS benefits:
    >>you don't risk human lives. But there's not much reason to send a DESK with
    >>it, unless you expect to see some Star Trekian 'lava creature' spring forth
    >>and you want a convenient spot for him to send email from.
    >
    >
    > The "desk" feature of this Robotic PC design is only dominant when you
    > use this robot as an ordinary PC. When using this robotic PC as a
    > probe in a remote location, the desk collapsed to make the whole thing
    > more compact, nimble and ready to mingle.
    >
    >>>>>Why not give deskoid robotic PC a thought, it might not be so "gibberish"
    >>>>
    >>>>I didn't say a thing about 'robots'. It was your claim that desks are "a
    >>>>must" for 'PeeCees' that I disputed, with examples provided. And then that
    >>>>your follow-up argument, to presumably support the claim, was gibberish.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Sorry for the confusion, but what is "PeeCees"?
    >>
    >>It's the (slang) 'phonetic' of PC: PeeCee(s, for plural) and distinguishes
    >>it from Politically Correct.
    >>
    >>
    >>>Than again that sounds
    >>>like a minor detail. Why don't we just let it slide?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>>>Frankly, it sounds like gibberish.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>The fact is, while many people use them on desks, it is not 'a must' for a
    >>>>>>'PeeCee', with laptops/notebooks being just one obvious example. And, no,
    >>>>>>they don't need a 'motorized wheel-desk' to be mobile, nor to use them.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>In addition to notebooks, I already have a VCR sized HTPC, run with a 'TV'
    >>>>>>style remote, similar to that mentioned in the article and I don't want a
    >>>>>>'desk' built into that one either.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Nor, btw, do I want a 'desk built in' my desk lamp, Mont Blanc pen, note
    >>>>>>pad, telephone, or anything else that I 'traditionally use' on my desk
    >>>>>>because there's no benefit in doing so but plenty of drawbacks.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>baracooda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a must
    >>>>>>>>>than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who knows what
    >>>>>>>>others.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>This is
    >>>>>>>>>sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also in
    >>>>>>>>>itself a coffee table.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox into a
    >>>>>>>>>>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to evolve
    >>>>>>>>>>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    >>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    >>>>>>>>>>>their own drum beats.
    >>>>>>>>>>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    >>>>>>>>>>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    >>>>>>>>>>>components...
    >>>>>>>>>>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    >>>>>>>>>>>think?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    >>>>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>movie downloads.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Multitasking Device
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>else.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>video recording features.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>electronics devices.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>PC.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>mobile terminals.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Just a Peek
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>same room.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>==
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Lenny Bruce
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    "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message
    news:10efaepsh2rlcab@corp.supernews.com...
    > baracooda wrote:
    >
    > >>One of the problems with your 'explanations' is you incoherently jump
    all
    > >>over the place at random. LAST message you were talking about in the
    > >>"living room" and now you're roving "college courses" for some unknown
    reason.
    > >
    > >
    > > Robotic PC will enable you to take college courses from the comfort of
    > > your living room, provided that you have a robotic PC on both end. It
    > > is another way of interacting with people and things in this world. In
    > > this case robotic PC=two way mobile videoconference machine.
    >
    > So does a camera and a TV set. PBS has been doing it for decades, and
    > without a roving robo-desk I might add.

    Most colleges already have that, called distance learning... You sit in
    front of your computer, be it on the toilet or in bed, and you can take all
    of your college courses.

    > >>The fact of the matter is, for what most 'normal' people use a camera
    for
    > >>it's just fine to hold it in your cute little fingers and take the
    > >>pictures: no 'robot' needed.
    > >
    > >
    > > With robotic PC as a camera server, user can login to this server and
    > > take pictures from miles away with out any travel time. There are
    > > certain spots in this world where such service might be welcome.
    >
    > Watch the Travel Channel if you don't want to 'go there'.
    >
    > > After
    > > all these decades, one still have to use a finger to take a picture
    > > one by one?
    >
    > Because it's convenient, cheap, and does precisely the job I want. And
    > you've not provided any benefit to doing it another way; just that it
    > 'could be done' another way.
    >
    > And I don't need a robot to wipe my butt either just to be your version of
    > 'modern' vs the 'decades old way'.
    >
    >
    > >>Because it is a 'solution' looking for a problem and in the finest Rube
    > >>Goldberg tradition (especially your obsession with 'a desk'): "Look mom,
    I
    > >>made a 10 grand 'roving desk' to carry my 200 buck camera." And I
    imagine
    > >>the typical reply would be "what on earth FOR?"
    > >
    > >
    > > I have disclosed this idea to many others before. The responses ranges
    > > from one end of the spectrum to "I wish to remain an Amish". A few
    > > begins to explore the possibility even beyond my imagination.
    > > Basically, what I trying to say is that the whole is greater than sum
    > > of its parts. This machine has the potential to do many new things
    > > that can't be (easily) done before.
    >
    > You seem to miss the point: Just doing things a 'new way' isn't a goal, in
    > and of itself, nor necessarily desirable. There must be some BENEFIT to
    > doing it the 'new way', and it must be practical (which includes cost), or
    > else it ends up in a TV show about "crazy ideas that never made it." (all
    > of which were 'new ways', 'modern', and 'did things'.)
    >
    >
    > >>To which you list off supposed 'features' (what it 'could do') but no
    > >>benefits. E.g. Why would someone want "a prolific picture capturing
    > >>machine" when what most people want are 'good pictures' of specific
    things
    > >>(not to mention their own creative input in taking the picture), not
    simply
    > >>a million of them? Why would someone want to sit in a room navigating
    the
    > >>'roving desk' to "tourist destinations" when the point of taking
    'tourist
    > >>pictures' is to show where THEY'VE been and what THEY saw? (otherwise,
    stay
    > >>home and watch the Travel Channel.)
    > >
    > >
    > > Robotic PC will be a good way to help you choose your next travel
    > > destination.
    >
    > A 10 grand robot, plus airfare for it, to replace a free travel brochure?
    > And don't bother with descriptions of how much 'better' than a travel
    > brochure it is because I can hear the average person's reply right now
    > "hell, for THAT price I could GO there mySELF!"
    >
    >
    > > No machine can replace an actual vacation, at least not
    > > yet.
    >
    > Not yet? WHY in god's name would ANYone EVER want it to 'replace' their
    > vacation?
    >
    > > A travel channel only shows what the producer wants you to see or what
    > > the camera man happens to point the camera in that particular
    > > direction. With the robotic PC, you are in control of the camera, and
    > > interact with whom ever in the picture in real time. Sort of like your
    > > own personal live broadcast system.
    >
    > 'Interact' with? Bloody well GO THERE if you want to 'see', 'interact',
    and
    > have your vacation.
    >
    > Given the current state of the art, the kinds of 'features' you're talking
    > about are pretty much useful only for places humans CAN'T (at least
    easily)
    > go to, like Mars or the core of a live volcano.
    >
    > >>On the other hand, exploring a live volcano core with a robot HAS
    benefits:
    > >>you don't risk human lives. But there's not much reason to send a DESK
    with
    > >>it, unless you expect to see some Star Trekian 'lava creature' spring
    forth
    > >>and you want a convenient spot for him to send email from.
    > >
    > >
    > > The "desk" feature of this Robotic PC design is only dominant when you
    > > use this robot as an ordinary PC. When using this robotic PC as a
    > > probe in a remote location, the desk collapsed to make the whole thing
    > > more compact, nimble and ready to mingle.
    > >
    > >>>>>Why not give deskoid robotic PC a thought, it might not be so
    "gibberish"
    > >>>>
    > >>>>I didn't say a thing about 'robots'. It was your claim that desks are
    "a
    > >>>>must" for 'PeeCees' that I disputed, with examples provided. And then
    that
    > >>>>your follow-up argument, to presumably support the claim, was
    gibberish.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>Sorry for the confusion, but what is "PeeCees"?
    > >>
    > >>It's the (slang) 'phonetic' of PC: PeeCee(s, for plural) and
    distinguishes
    > >>it from Politically Correct.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>Than again that sounds
    > >>>like a minor detail. Why don't we just let it slide?
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>>>Frankly, it sounds like gibberish.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>The fact is, while many people use them on desks, it is not 'a must'
    for a
    > >>>>>>'PeeCee', with laptops/notebooks being just one obvious example.
    And, no,
    > >>>>>>they don't need a 'motorized wheel-desk' to be mobile, nor to use
    them.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>In addition to notebooks, I already have a VCR sized HTPC, run with
    a 'TV'
    > >>>>>>style remote, similar to that mentioned in the article and I don't
    want a
    > >>>>>>'desk' built into that one either.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Nor, btw, do I want a 'desk built in' my desk lamp, Mont Blanc pen,
    note
    > >>>>>>pad, telephone, or anything else that I 'traditionally use' on my
    desk
    > >>>>>>because there's no benefit in doing so but plenty of drawbacks.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message
    news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>baracooda wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a
    must
    > >>>>>>>>>than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who
    knows what
    > >>>>>>>>others.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>This is
    > >>>>>>>>>sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also
    in
    > >>>>>>>>>itself a coffee table.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message
    news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox
    into a
    > >>>>>>>>>>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to
    evolve
    > >>>>>>>>>>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    > >>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message
    news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes
    with
    > >>>>>>>>>>>their own drum beats.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet
    surface.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and
    Y
    > >>>>>>>>>>>components...
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting,
    don't you
    > >>>>>>>>>>>think?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message
    news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look
    like....
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote
    in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD
    player, phone, and more.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a
    developers
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to
    replace a consumer's
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the
    opening talk by
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at
    the annual Windows
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC,
    which looks more like
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows
    systems, the device can
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does
    not need a mouse
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote
    control that features a
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker,
    according to
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media
    Center Edition,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will
    enable devices that
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says.
    Media Center PCs
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV
    to photos, video,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet
    services such as
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>movie downloads.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Multitasking Device
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept.
    Through the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will
    automatically show an
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The
    screen on the remote
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC
    is doing something
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>else.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can
    display caller
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then
    decide whether to
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or
    have the PC answer
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using
    the system's digital
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>video recording features.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner,
    high-capacity hard disk
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of
    worldwide product
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like
    traditional consumer
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>electronics devices.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD
    player, TiVo, and
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This
    is the PC turned
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as
    well as the office, HP
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access
    point for other PCs
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband
    Internet connection. Aside
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also
    includes a Home Tablet PC
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize
    with the Home Center
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>PC.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the
    Smart Display, the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only
    a year after the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan
    says. "There is a
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it
    still be usable when I
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The
    comments echo the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be
    overpriced, dumb
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>mobile terminals.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Just a Peek
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home
    Concept devices won't
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of
    a concept," he
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the
    technologies that
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end
    scenario of the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year.
    Several hardware
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center
    Extenders before the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center
    Extender removes the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or
    even have it in the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>same room.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed
    with Windows and
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources
    accordingly.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to
    provide details
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital
    cameras as well as
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights
    Management,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to
    Windows XP.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,0
    0.asp
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>==
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Lenny Bruce
    >
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    baracooda wrote:

    >>So this isn't actually a robotic PC, but rather the stereotypical
    >>robot, which of course is a computer(s). There are robots
    >>already, of course, just not evolved enough to be your personal
    >>servant yet. You do still keep ignoring the obvious, that having
    >>this "thing" bring you comm devices or other features is a waste,
    >>since you must already be in contact with it, and as such, you
    >>already have potential comm with the rest of the world. The key
    >>being that the goal is not computers that move themselves but
    >>small enough, light enough, and energy conservative enough that
    >>it's already with you or integral to the environment you're in.
    >
    >
    > Robotic PC is a product with multiple personality. But, I don't expect
    > it to be a helpful personal servant any time soon. Perhaps Honda think
    > otherwise. Unless it is marketed successfully as a toy, even then I
    > doubt there is a high demand for a personal delivery robot, maybe the
    > nursing homes.

    Ironically enough, wheeled 'delivery' robots is one of the few applications
    where they actually work because it is a controlled, known (hence easily
    programmed, relatively speaking), environment and 'helper' devices, such as
    in-laid floor guides, can be utilized.

    Even then it isn't entirely trivial because you have the problem of people
    getting in the way.
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    Moderately Confused wrote:

    > "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message
    > news:10efaepsh2rlcab@corp.supernews.com...
    >
    >>baracooda wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>>One of the problems with your 'explanations' is you incoherently jump
    >
    > all
    >
    >>>>over the place at random. LAST message you were talking about in the
    >>>>"living room" and now you're roving "college courses" for some unknown
    >
    > reason.
    >
    >>>
    >>>Robotic PC will enable you to take college courses from the comfort of
    >>>your living room, provided that you have a robotic PC on both end. It
    >>>is another way of interacting with people and things in this world. In
    >>>this case robotic PC=two way mobile videoconference machine.
    >>
    >>So does a camera and a TV set. PBS has been doing it for decades, and
    >>without a roving robo-desk I might add.
    >
    >
    > Most colleges already have that, called distance learning... You sit in
    > front of your computer, be it on the toilet or in bed, and you can take all
    > of your college courses.

    Yeah.

    Actually, I rather sympathize with his desire to make a (general purpose)
    'robot' as I've been itching to make one for decades. But then that
    irritating question "of what use is it?" always crops up.


    >>>>The fact of the matter is, for what most 'normal' people use a camera
    >
    > for
    >
    >>>>it's just fine to hold it in your cute little fingers and take the
    >>>>pictures: no 'robot' needed.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>With robotic PC as a camera server, user can login to this server and
    >>>take pictures from miles away with out any travel time. There are
    >>>certain spots in this world where such service might be welcome.
    >>
    >>Watch the Travel Channel if you don't want to 'go there'.
    >>
    >>
    >>>After
    >>>all these decades, one still have to use a finger to take a picture
    >>>one by one?
    >>
    >>Because it's convenient, cheap, and does precisely the job I want. And
    >>you've not provided any benefit to doing it another way; just that it
    >>'could be done' another way.
    >>
    >>And I don't need a robot to wipe my butt either just to be your version of
    >>'modern' vs the 'decades old way'.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>>Because it is a 'solution' looking for a problem and in the finest Rube
    >>>>Goldberg tradition (especially your obsession with 'a desk'): "Look mom,
    >
    > I
    >
    >>>>made a 10 grand 'roving desk' to carry my 200 buck camera." And I
    >
    > imagine
    >
    >>>>the typical reply would be "what on earth FOR?"
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>I have disclosed this idea to many others before. The responses ranges
    >>>from one end of the spectrum to "I wish to remain an Amish". A few
    >>>begins to explore the possibility even beyond my imagination.
    >>>Basically, what I trying to say is that the whole is greater than sum
    >>>of its parts. This machine has the potential to do many new things
    >>>that can't be (easily) done before.
    >>
    >>You seem to miss the point: Just doing things a 'new way' isn't a goal, in
    >>and of itself, nor necessarily desirable. There must be some BENEFIT to
    >>doing it the 'new way', and it must be practical (which includes cost), or
    >>else it ends up in a TV show about "crazy ideas that never made it." (all
    >>of which were 'new ways', 'modern', and 'did things'.)
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>>To which you list off supposed 'features' (what it 'could do') but no
    >>>>benefits. E.g. Why would someone want "a prolific picture capturing
    >>>>machine" when what most people want are 'good pictures' of specific
    >
    > things
    >
    >>>>(not to mention their own creative input in taking the picture), not
    >
    > simply
    >
    >>>>a million of them? Why would someone want to sit in a room navigating
    >
    > the
    >
    >>>>'roving desk' to "tourist destinations" when the point of taking
    >
    > 'tourist
    >
    >>>>pictures' is to show where THEY'VE been and what THEY saw? (otherwise,
    >
    > stay
    >
    >>>>home and watch the Travel Channel.)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Robotic PC will be a good way to help you choose your next travel
    >>>destination.
    >>
    >>A 10 grand robot, plus airfare for it, to replace a free travel brochure?
    >>And don't bother with descriptions of how much 'better' than a travel
    >>brochure it is because I can hear the average person's reply right now
    >>"hell, for THAT price I could GO there mySELF!"
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>No machine can replace an actual vacation, at least not
    >>>yet.
    >>
    >>Not yet? WHY in god's name would ANYone EVER want it to 'replace' their
    >>vacation?
    >>
    >>
    >>>A travel channel only shows what the producer wants you to see or what
    >>>the camera man happens to point the camera in that particular
    >>>direction. With the robotic PC, you are in control of the camera, and
    >>>interact with whom ever in the picture in real time. Sort of like your
    >>>own personal live broadcast system.
    >>
    >>'Interact' with? Bloody well GO THERE if you want to 'see', 'interact',
    >
    > and
    >
    >>have your vacation.
    >>
    >>Given the current state of the art, the kinds of 'features' you're talking
    >>about are pretty much useful only for places humans CAN'T (at least
    >
    > easily)
    >
    >>go to, like Mars or the core of a live volcano.
    >>
    >>
    >>>>On the other hand, exploring a live volcano core with a robot HAS
    >
    > benefits:
    >
    >>>>you don't risk human lives. But there's not much reason to send a DESK
    >
    > with
    >
    >>>>it, unless you expect to see some Star Trekian 'lava creature' spring
    >
    > forth
    >
    >>>>and you want a convenient spot for him to send email from.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>The "desk" feature of this Robotic PC design is only dominant when you
    >>>use this robot as an ordinary PC. When using this robotic PC as a
    >>>probe in a remote location, the desk collapsed to make the whole thing
    >>>more compact, nimble and ready to mingle.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>>>>Why not give deskoid robotic PC a thought, it might not be so
    >
    > "gibberish"
    >
    >>>>>>I didn't say a thing about 'robots'. It was your claim that desks are
    >
    > "a
    >
    >>>>>>must" for 'PeeCees' that I disputed, with examples provided. And then
    >
    > that
    >
    >>>>>>your follow-up argument, to presumably support the claim, was
    >
    > gibberish.
    >
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Sorry for the confusion, but what is "PeeCees"?
    >>>>
    >>>>It's the (slang) 'phonetic' of PC: PeeCee(s, for plural) and
    >
    > distinguishes
    >
    >>>>it from Politically Correct.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Than again that sounds
    >>>>>like a minor detail. Why don't we just let it slide?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Frankly, it sounds like gibberish.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>The fact is, while many people use them on desks, it is not 'a must'
    >
    > for a
    >
    >>>>>>>>'PeeCee', with laptops/notebooks being just one obvious example.
    >
    > And, no,
    >
    >>>>>>>>they don't need a 'motorized wheel-desk' to be mobile, nor to use
    >
    > them.
    >
    >>>>>>>>In addition to notebooks, I already have a VCR sized HTPC, run with
    >
    > a 'TV'
    >
    >>>>>>>>style remote, similar to that mentioned in the article and I don't
    >
    > want a
    >
    >>>>>>>>'desk' built into that one either.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Nor, btw, do I want a 'desk built in' my desk lamp, Mont Blanc pen,
    >
    > note
    >
    >>>>>>>>pad, telephone, or anything else that I 'traditionally use' on my
    >
    > desk
    >
    >>>>>>>>because there's no benefit in doing so but plenty of drawbacks.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message
    >
    > news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    >
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>baracooda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a
    >
    > must
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who
    >
    > knows what
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>others.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>This is
    >>>>>>>>>>>sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also
    >
    > in
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>itself a coffee table.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message
    >
    > news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox
    >
    > into a
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to
    >
    > evolve
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message
    >
    > news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes
    >
    > with
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>their own drum beats.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet
    >
    > surface.
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and
    >
    > Y
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>components...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting,
    >
    > don't you
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>think?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message
    >
    > news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look
    >
    > like....
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote
    >
    > in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD
    >
    > player, phone, and more.
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a
    >
    > developers
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to
    >
    > replace a consumer's
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the
    >
    > opening talk by
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at
    >
    > the annual Windows
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC,
    >
    > which looks more like
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows
    >
    > systems, the device can
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does
    >
    > not need a mouse
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote
    >
    > control that features a
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker,
    >
    > according to
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media
    >
    > Center Edition,
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will
    >
    > enable devices that
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says.
    >
    > Media Center PCs
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV
    >
    > to photos, video,
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet
    >
    > services such as
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movie downloads.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Multitasking Device
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept.
    >
    > Through the
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will
    >
    > automatically show an
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The
    >
    > screen on the remote
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC
    >
    > is doing something
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>else.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can
    >
    > display caller
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then
    >
    > decide whether to
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or
    >
    > have the PC answer
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using
    >
    > the system's digital
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video recording features.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner,
    >
    > high-capacity hard disk
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of
    >
    > worldwide product
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like
    >
    > traditional consumer
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>electronics devices.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD
    >
    > player, TiVo, and
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This
    >
    > is the PC turned
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as
    >
    > well as the office, HP
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access
    >
    > point for other PCs
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband
    >
    > Internet connection. Aside
    >
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also
    >
    > includes a Home Tablet PC
    >
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize
    >
    > with the Home Center
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PC.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the
    >
    > Smart Display, the
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only
    >
    > a year after the
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan
    >
    > says. "There is a
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it
    >
    > still be usable when I
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The
    >
    > comments echo the
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be
    >
    > overpriced, dumb
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mobile terminals.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just a Peek
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home
    >
    > Concept devices won't
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of
    >
    > a concept," he
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the
    >
    > technologies that
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end
    >
    > scenario of the
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year.
    >
    > Several hardware
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center
    >
    > Extenders before the
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center
    >
    > Extender removes the
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or
    >
    > even have it in the
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>same room.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed
    >
    > with Windows and
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources
    >
    > accordingly.
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to
    >
    > provide details
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital
    >
    > cameras as well as
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights
    >
    > Management,
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to
    >
    > Windows XP.
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,0
    >
    > 0.asp
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>==
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-- Lenny Bruce
    >>
    >
    >
  25. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    When comes to deliverying college course or any courses, there are
    more than one way to skin a cat. In certain aspect, some ways are
    better than the others. But to take college courses from the living
    room and still be able to interact not only with the teacher but with
    every students in that class in real time(when needed). That is in the
    realm of telepresence. Other mode of remote learning often require
    advance equipment preparations. In practice, one can convert an
    ordinary class into a remote learning class by having a robotic PC
    with in the room. Also, please note that providing remote learning
    isn't the sole task of this robotic PC.

    "Moderately Confused" <moderatelyconfused@Y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<0-CdncPuobp7uHXdRVn-jg@comcast.com>...
    > "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message
    > news:10efaepsh2rlcab@corp.supernews.com...
    > > baracooda wrote:
    > >
    > > >>One of the problems with your 'explanations' is you incoherently jump
    > all
    > > >>over the place at random. LAST message you were talking about in the
    > > >>"living room" and now you're roving "college courses" for some unknown
    > reason.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Robotic PC will enable you to take college courses from the comfort of
    > > > your living room, provided that you have a robotic PC on both end. It
    > > > is another way of interacting with people and things in this world. In
    > > > this case robotic PC=two way mobile videoconference machine.
    > >
    > > So does a camera and a TV set. PBS has been doing it for decades, and
    > > without a roving robo-desk I might add.
    >
    > Most colleges already have that, called distance learning... You sit in
    > front of your computer, be it on the toilet or in bed, and you can take all
    > of your college courses.
    >
    > > >>The fact of the matter is, for what most 'normal' people use a camera
    > for
    > > >>it's just fine to hold it in your cute little fingers and take the
    > > >>pictures: no 'robot' needed.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > With robotic PC as a camera server, user can login to this server and
    > > > take pictures from miles away with out any travel time. There are
    > > > certain spots in this world where such service might be welcome.
    > >
    > > Watch the Travel Channel if you don't want to 'go there'.
    > >
    > > > After
    > > > all these decades, one still have to use a finger to take a picture
    > > > one by one?
    > >
    > > Because it's convenient, cheap, and does precisely the job I want. And
    > > you've not provided any benefit to doing it another way; just that it
    > > 'could be done' another way.
    > >
    > > And I don't need a robot to wipe my butt either just to be your version of
    > > 'modern' vs the 'decades old way'.
    > >
    > >
    > > >>Because it is a 'solution' looking for a problem and in the finest Rube
    > > >>Goldberg tradition (especially your obsession with 'a desk'): "Look mom,
    > I
    > > >>made a 10 grand 'roving desk' to carry my 200 buck camera." And I
    > imagine
    > > >>the typical reply would be "what on earth FOR?"
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > I have disclosed this idea to many others before. The responses ranges
    > > > from one end of the spectrum to "I wish to remain an Amish". A few
    > > > begins to explore the possibility even beyond my imagination.
    > > > Basically, what I trying to say is that the whole is greater than sum
    > > > of its parts. This machine has the potential to do many new things
    > > > that can't be (easily) done before.
    > >
    > > You seem to miss the point: Just doing things a 'new way' isn't a goal, in
    > > and of itself, nor necessarily desirable. There must be some BENEFIT to
    > > doing it the 'new way', and it must be practical (which includes cost), or
    > > else it ends up in a TV show about "crazy ideas that never made it." (all
    > > of which were 'new ways', 'modern', and 'did things'.)
    > >
    > >
    > > >>To which you list off supposed 'features' (what it 'could do') but no
    > > >>benefits. E.g. Why would someone want "a prolific picture capturing
    > > >>machine" when what most people want are 'good pictures' of specific
    > things
    > > >>(not to mention their own creative input in taking the picture), not
    > simply
    > > >>a million of them? Why would someone want to sit in a room navigating
    > the
    > > >>'roving desk' to "tourist destinations" when the point of taking
    > 'tourist
    > > >>pictures' is to show where THEY'VE been and what THEY saw? (otherwise,
    > stay
    > > >>home and watch the Travel Channel.)
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Robotic PC will be a good way to help you choose your next travel
    > > > destination.
    > >
    > > A 10 grand robot, plus airfare for it, to replace a free travel brochure?
    > > And don't bother with descriptions of how much 'better' than a travel
    > > brochure it is because I can hear the average person's reply right now
    > > "hell, for THAT price I could GO there mySELF!"
    > >
    > >
    > > > No machine can replace an actual vacation, at least not
    > > > yet.
    > >
    > > Not yet? WHY in god's name would ANYone EVER want it to 'replace' their
    > > vacation?
    > >
    > > > A travel channel only shows what the producer wants you to see or what
    > > > the camera man happens to point the camera in that particular
    > > > direction. With the robotic PC, you are in control of the camera, and
    > > > interact with whom ever in the picture in real time. Sort of like your
    > > > own personal live broadcast system.
    > >
    > > 'Interact' with? Bloody well GO THERE if you want to 'see', 'interact',
    > and
    > > have your vacation.
    > >
    > > Given the current state of the art, the kinds of 'features' you're talking
    > > about are pretty much useful only for places humans CAN'T (at least
    > easily)
    > > go to, like Mars or the core of a live volcano.
    > >
    > > >>On the other hand, exploring a live volcano core with a robot HAS
    > benefits:
    > > >>you don't risk human lives. But there's not much reason to send a DESK
    > with
    > > >>it, unless you expect to see some Star Trekian 'lava creature' spring
    > forth
    > > >>and you want a convenient spot for him to send email from.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > The "desk" feature of this Robotic PC design is only dominant when you
    > > > use this robot as an ordinary PC. When using this robotic PC as a
    > > > probe in a remote location, the desk collapsed to make the whole thing
    > > > more compact, nimble and ready to mingle.
    > > >
    > > >>>>>Why not give deskoid robotic PC a thought, it might not be so
    > "gibberish"
    > > >>>>
    > > >>>>I didn't say a thing about 'robots'. It was your claim that desks are
    > "a
    > > >>>>must" for 'PeeCees' that I disputed, with examples provided. And then
    > that
    > > >>>>your follow-up argument, to presumably support the claim, was
    > gibberish.
    > > >>>
    > > >>>
    > > >>>Sorry for the confusion, but what is "PeeCees"?
    > > >>
    > > >>It's the (slang) 'phonetic' of PC: PeeCee(s, for plural) and
    > distinguishes
    > > >>it from Politically Correct.
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >>>Than again that sounds
    > > >>>like a minor detail. Why don't we just let it slide?
    > > >>>
    > > >>>
    > > >>>
    > > >>>>>>Frankly, it sounds like gibberish.
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>The fact is, while many people use them on desks, it is not 'a must'
    > for a
    > > >>>>>>'PeeCee', with laptops/notebooks being just one obvious example.
    > And, no,
    > > >>>>>>they don't need a 'motorized wheel-desk' to be mobile, nor to use
    > them.
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>In addition to notebooks, I already have a VCR sized HTPC, run with
    > a 'TV'
    > > >>>>>>style remote, similar to that mentioned in the article and I don't
    > want a
    > > >>>>>>'desk' built into that one either.
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>Nor, btw, do I want a 'desk built in' my desk lamp, Mont Blanc pen,
    > note
    > > >>>>>>pad, telephone, or anything else that I 'traditionally use' on my
    > desk
    > > >>>>>>because there's no benefit in doing so but plenty of drawbacks.
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message
    > news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    > > >>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>baracooda wrote:
    > > >>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a
    > must
    > > >>>>>>>>>than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    > > >>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who
    > knows what
    > > >>>>>>>>others.
    > > >>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>This is
    > > >>>>>>>>>sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also
    > in
    > > >>>>>>>>>itself a coffee table.
    > > >>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message
    > news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    > > >>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox
    > into a
    > > >>>>>>>>>>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to
    > evolve
    > > >>>>>>>>>>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > > >>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    > > >>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message
    > news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    > > >>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes
    > with
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>their own drum beats.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet
    > surface.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and
    > Y
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>components...
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting,
    > don't you
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>think?
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message
    > news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look
    > like....
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote
    > in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD
    > player, phone, and more.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a
    > developers
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to
    > replace a consumer's
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the
    > opening talk by
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at
    > the annual Windows
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC,
    > which looks more like
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows
    > systems, the device can
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does
    > not need a mouse
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote
    > control that features a
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker,
    > according to
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media
    > Center Edition,
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will
    > enable devices that
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says.
    > Media Center PCs
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV
    > to photos, video,
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet
    > services such as
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>movie downloads.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Multitasking Device
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept.
    > Through the
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will
    > automatically show an
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The
    > screen on the remote
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC
    > is doing something
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>else.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can
    > display caller
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then
    > decide whether to
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or
    > have the PC answer
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using
    > the system's digital
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>video recording features.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner,
    > high-capacity hard disk
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of
    > worldwide product
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like
    > traditional consumer
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>electronics devices.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD
    > player, TiVo, and
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This
    > is the PC turned
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as
    > well as the office, HP
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access
    > point for other PCs
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband
    > Internet connection. Aside
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also
    > includes a Home Tablet PC
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize
    > with the Home Center
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>PC.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the
    > Smart Display, the
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only
    > a year after the
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan
    > says. "There is a
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it
    > still be usable when I
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The
    > comments echo the
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be
    > overpriced, dumb
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>mobile terminals.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Just a Peek
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home
    > Concept devices won't
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of
    > a concept," he
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the
    > technologies that
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end
    > scenario of the
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year.
    > Several hardware
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center
    > Extenders before the
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center
    > Extender removes the
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or
    > even have it in the
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>same room.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed
    > with Windows and
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources
    > accordingly.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to
    > provide details
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital
    > cameras as well as
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights
    > Management,
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to
    > Windows XP.
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,0
    > 0.asp
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>==
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Lenny Bruce
    > >
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    David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10efaepsh2rlcab@corp.supernews.com>...
    > baracooda wrote:
    >
    > >>One of the problems with your 'explanations' is you incoherently jump all
    > >>over the place at random. LAST message you were talking about in the
    > >>"living room" and now you're roving "college courses" for some unknown reason.
    > >
    > >
    > > Robotic PC will enable you to take college courses from the comfort of
    > > your living room, provided that you have a robotic PC on both end. It
    > > is another way of interacting with people and things in this world. In
    > > this case robotic PC=two way mobile videoconference machine.
    >
    > So does a camera and a TV set. PBS has been doing it for decades, and
    > without a roving robo-desk I might add.

    Such broadcast version provides little or no real time interaction
    before during or after the class. Which is a very important part of
    the learning process.

    >
    >
    > >>The fact of the matter is, for what most 'normal' people use a camera for
    > >>it's just fine to hold it in your cute little fingers and take the
    > >>pictures: no 'robot' needed.
    > >
    > >
    > > With robotic PC as a camera server, user can login to this server and
    > > take pictures from miles away with out any travel time. There are
    > > certain spots in this world where such service might be welcome.
    >
    > Watch the Travel Channel if you don't want to 'go there'.

    There are many ways to find out any particular location of interest.
    Unless you are the owner of that travel channel. The odds are against
    you finding exactly the information that you need.
    >
    > > After
    > > all these decades, one still have to use a finger to take a picture
    > > one by one?
    >
    > Because it's convenient, cheap, and does precisely the job I want. And
    > you've not provided any benefit to doing it another way; just that it
    > 'could be done' another way.
    >
    > And I don't need a robot to wipe my butt either just to be your version of
    > 'modern' vs the 'decades old way'.

    There are already toilet seats that spray water right where it is
    needed. Quiet common in Japan and rest of the Far East.
    >

    > >>Because it is a 'solution' looking for a problem and in the finest Rube
    > >>Goldberg tradition (especially your obsession with 'a desk'): "Look mom, I
    > >>made a 10 grand 'roving desk' to carry my 200 buck camera." And I imagine
    > >>the typical reply would be "what on earth FOR?"
    > >
    > >
    > > I have disclosed this idea to many others before. The responses ranges
    > > from one end of the spectrum to "I wish to remain an Amish". A few
    > > begins to explore the possibility even beyond my imagination.
    > > Basically, what I trying to say is that the whole is greater than sum
    > > of its parts. This machine has the potential to do many new things
    > > that can't be (easily) done before.
    >
    > You seem to miss the point: Just doing things a 'new way' isn't a goal, in
    > and of itself, nor necessarily desirable. There must be some BENEFIT to
    > doing it the 'new way', and it must be practical (which includes cost), or
    > else it ends up in a TV show about "crazy ideas that never made it." (all
    > of which were 'new ways', 'modern', and 'did things'.)

    Agree, new way aren't necessary the better way.
    >
    >
    > >>To which you list off supposed 'features' (what it 'could do') but no
    > >>benefits. E.g. Why would someone want "a prolific picture capturing
    > >>machine" when what most people want are 'good pictures' of specific things
    > >>(not to mention their own creative input in taking the picture), not simply
    > >>a million of them? Why would someone want to sit in a room navigating the
    > >>'roving desk' to "tourist destinations" when the point of taking 'tourist
    > >>pictures' is to show where THEY'VE been and what THEY saw? (otherwise, stay
    > >>home and watch the Travel Channel.)
    > >
    > >
    > > Robotic PC will be a good way to help you choose your next travel
    > > destination.
    >
    > A 10 grand robot, plus airfare for it, to replace a free travel brochure?
    > And don't bother with descriptions of how much 'better' than a travel
    > brochure it is because I can hear the average person's reply right now
    > "hell, for THAT price I could GO there mySELF!"

    This is like comparing the price of an automobile with the price of a
    single bus ticket. No one buys a car for any particular trip. And
    nobody buys a general purpose robot for just one single purpose. In
    practice, if a robotic PC can indeed provide a real time active travel
    brochure, the resort of that particular travel destination will likely
    to provide such robot.

    >
    >
    > > No machine can replace an actual vacation, at least not
    > > yet.
    >
    > Not yet? WHY in god's name would ANYone EVER want it to 'replace' their
    > vacation?
    >
    > > A travel channel only shows what the producer wants you to see or what
    > > the camera man happens to point the camera in that particular
    > > direction. With the robotic PC, you are in control of the camera, and
    > > interact with whom ever in the picture in real time. Sort of like your
    > > own personal live broadcast system.
    >
    > 'Interact' with? Bloody well GO THERE if you want to 'see', 'interact', and
    > have your vacation.
    >
    > Given the current state of the art, the kinds of 'features' you're talking
    > about are pretty much useful only for places humans CAN'T (at least easily)
    > go to, like Mars or the core of a live volcano.

    Once proliferated, robotic PC will give human the power of virtual
    omnipresence. Not too sure about if there is a demand to see live
    volcano super up-close.
    >
    > >>On the other hand, exploring a live volcano core with a robot HAS benefits:
    > >>you don't risk human lives. But there's not much reason to send a DESK with
    > >>it, unless you expect to see some Star Trekian 'lava creature' spring forth
    > >>and you want a convenient spot for him to send email from.
    > >
    > >
    > > The "desk" feature of this Robotic PC design is only dominant when you
    > > use this robot as an ordinary PC. When using this robotic PC as a
    > > probe in a remote location, the desk collapsed to make the whole thing
    > > more compact, nimble and ready to mingle.
    > >
    > >>>>>Why not give deskoid robotic PC a thought, it might not be so "gibberish"
    > >>>>
    > >>>>I didn't say a thing about 'robots'. It was your claim that desks are "a
    > >>>>must" for 'PeeCees' that I disputed, with examples provided. And then that
    > >>>>your follow-up argument, to presumably support the claim, was gibberish.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>Sorry for the confusion, but what is "PeeCees"?
    > >>
    > >>It's the (slang) 'phonetic' of PC: PeeCee(s, for plural) and distinguishes
    > >>it from Politically Correct.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>Than again that sounds
    > >>>like a minor detail. Why don't we just let it slide?
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>>>Frankly, it sounds like gibberish.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>The fact is, while many people use them on desks, it is not 'a must' for a
    > >>>>>>'PeeCee', with laptops/notebooks being just one obvious example. And, no,
    > >>>>>>they don't need a 'motorized wheel-desk' to be mobile, nor to use them.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>In addition to notebooks, I already have a VCR sized HTPC, run with a 'TV'
    > >>>>>>style remote, similar to that mentioned in the article and I don't want a
    > >>>>>>'desk' built into that one either.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Nor, btw, do I want a 'desk built in' my desk lamp, Mont Blanc pen, note
    > >>>>>>pad, telephone, or anything else that I 'traditionally use' on my desk
    > >>>>>>because there's no benefit in doing so but plenty of drawbacks.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>baracooda wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a must
    > >>>>>>>>>than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who knows what
    > >>>>>>>>others.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>This is
    > >>>>>>>>>sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also in
    > >>>>>>>>>itself a coffee table.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox into a
    > >>>>>>>>>>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to evolve
    > >>>>>>>>>>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    > >>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes with
    > >>>>>>>>>>>their own drum beats.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet surface.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and Y
    > >>>>>>>>>>>components...
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting, don't you
    > >>>>>>>>>>>think?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look like....
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD player, phone, and more.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a developers
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to replace a consumer's
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the opening talk by
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at the annual Windows
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC, which looks more like
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows systems, the device can
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does not need a mouse
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote control that features a
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker, according to
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media Center Edition,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will enable devices that
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says. Media Center PCs
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV to photos, video,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet services such as
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>movie downloads.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Multitasking Device
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept. Through the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will automatically show an
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The screen on the remote
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC is doing something
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>else.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can display caller
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then decide whether to
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or have the PC answer
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using the system's digital
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>video recording features.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner, high-capacity hard disk
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of worldwide product
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like traditional consumer
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>electronics devices.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD player, TiVo, and
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This is the PC turned
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as well as the office, HP
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access point for other PCs
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband Internet connection. Aside
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also includes a Home Tablet PC
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize with the Home Center
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>PC.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the Smart Display, the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only a year after the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan says. "There is a
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it still be usable when I
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The comments echo the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be overpriced, dumb
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>mobile terminals.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Just a Peek
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home Concept devices won't
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of a concept," he
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the technologies that
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end scenario of the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year. Several hardware
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center Extenders before the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center Extender removes the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or even have it in the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>same room.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed with Windows and
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources accordingly.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to provide details
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital cameras as well as
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights Management,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to Windows XP.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,00.asp
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>==
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Lenny Bruce
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    baracooda wrote:

    > When comes to deliverying college course or any courses, there are
    > more than one way to skin a cat. In certain aspect, some ways are
    > better than the others. But to take college courses from the living
    > room and still be able to interact not only with the teacher but with
    > every students in that class in real time(when needed). That is in the
    > realm of telepresence. Other mode of remote learning often require
    > advance equipment preparations. In practice, one can convert an
    > ordinary class into a remote learning class by having a robotic PC
    > with in the room. Also, please note that providing remote learning
    > isn't the sole task of this robotic PC.

    Good luck

    >
    > "Moderately Confused" <moderatelyconfused@Y@hoo.com> wrote in message news:<0-CdncPuobp7uHXdRVn-jg@comcast.com>...
    >
    >>"David Maynard" <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message
    >>news:10efaepsh2rlcab@corp.supernews.com...
    >>
    >>>baracooda wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>>One of the problems with your 'explanations' is you incoherently jump
    >>
    >> all
    >>
    >>>>>over the place at random. LAST message you were talking about in the
    >>>>>"living room" and now you're roving "college courses" for some unknown
    >>
    >> reason.
    >>
    >>>>
    >>>>Robotic PC will enable you to take college courses from the comfort of
    >>>>your living room, provided that you have a robotic PC on both end. It
    >>>>is another way of interacting with people and things in this world. In
    >>>>this case robotic PC=two way mobile videoconference machine.
    >>>
    >>>So does a camera and a TV set. PBS has been doing it for decades, and
    >>>without a roving robo-desk I might add.
    >>
    >>Most colleges already have that, called distance learning... You sit in
    >>front of your computer, be it on the toilet or in bed, and you can take all
    >>of your college courses.
    >>
    >>
    >>>>>The fact of the matter is, for what most 'normal' people use a camera
    >>
    >> for
    >>
    >>>>>it's just fine to hold it in your cute little fingers and take the
    >>>>>pictures: no 'robot' needed.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>With robotic PC as a camera server, user can login to this server and
    >>>>take pictures from miles away with out any travel time. There are
    >>>>certain spots in this world where such service might be welcome.
    >>>
    >>>Watch the Travel Channel if you don't want to 'go there'.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>After
    >>>>all these decades, one still have to use a finger to take a picture
    >>>>one by one?
    >>>
    >>>Because it's convenient, cheap, and does precisely the job I want. And
    >>>you've not provided any benefit to doing it another way; just that it
    >>>'could be done' another way.
    >>>
    >>>And I don't need a robot to wipe my butt either just to be your version of
    >>>'modern' vs the 'decades old way'.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>>Because it is a 'solution' looking for a problem and in the finest Rube
    >>>>>Goldberg tradition (especially your obsession with 'a desk'): "Look mom,
    >>
    >> I
    >>
    >>>>>made a 10 grand 'roving desk' to carry my 200 buck camera." And I
    >>
    >> imagine
    >>
    >>>>>the typical reply would be "what on earth FOR?"
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>I have disclosed this idea to many others before. The responses ranges
    >>>>from one end of the spectrum to "I wish to remain an Amish". A few
    >>>>begins to explore the possibility even beyond my imagination.
    >>>>Basically, what I trying to say is that the whole is greater than sum
    >>>>of its parts. This machine has the potential to do many new things
    >>>>that can't be (easily) done before.
    >>>
    >>>You seem to miss the point: Just doing things a 'new way' isn't a goal, in
    >>>and of itself, nor necessarily desirable. There must be some BENEFIT to
    >>>doing it the 'new way', and it must be practical (which includes cost), or
    >>>else it ends up in a TV show about "crazy ideas that never made it." (all
    >>>of which were 'new ways', 'modern', and 'did things'.)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>>To which you list off supposed 'features' (what it 'could do') but no
    >>>>>benefits. E.g. Why would someone want "a prolific picture capturing
    >>>>>machine" when what most people want are 'good pictures' of specific
    >>
    >> things
    >>
    >>>>>(not to mention their own creative input in taking the picture), not
    >>
    >> simply
    >>
    >>>>>a million of them? Why would someone want to sit in a room navigating
    >>
    >> the
    >>
    >>>>>'roving desk' to "tourist destinations" when the point of taking
    >>
    >> 'tourist
    >>
    >>>>>pictures' is to show where THEY'VE been and what THEY saw? (otherwise,
    >>
    >> stay
    >>
    >>>>>home and watch the Travel Channel.)
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Robotic PC will be a good way to help you choose your next travel
    >>>>destination.
    >>>
    >>>A 10 grand robot, plus airfare for it, to replace a free travel brochure?
    >>>And don't bother with descriptions of how much 'better' than a travel
    >>>brochure it is because I can hear the average person's reply right now
    >>>"hell, for THAT price I could GO there mySELF!"
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>No machine can replace an actual vacation, at least not
    >>>>yet.
    >>>
    >>>Not yet? WHY in god's name would ANYone EVER want it to 'replace' their
    >>>vacation?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>A travel channel only shows what the producer wants you to see or what
    >>>>the camera man happens to point the camera in that particular
    >>>>direction. With the robotic PC, you are in control of the camera, and
    >>>>interact with whom ever in the picture in real time. Sort of like your
    >>>>own personal live broadcast system.
    >>>
    >>>'Interact' with? Bloody well GO THERE if you want to 'see', 'interact',
    >>
    >> and
    >>
    >>>have your vacation.
    >>>
    >>>Given the current state of the art, the kinds of 'features' you're talking
    >>>about are pretty much useful only for places humans CAN'T (at least
    >>
    >> easily)
    >>
    >>>go to, like Mars or the core of a live volcano.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>>On the other hand, exploring a live volcano core with a robot HAS
    >>
    >> benefits:
    >>
    >>>>>you don't risk human lives. But there's not much reason to send a DESK
    >>
    >> with
    >>
    >>>>>it, unless you expect to see some Star Trekian 'lava creature' spring
    >>
    >> forth
    >>
    >>>>>and you want a convenient spot for him to send email from.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>The "desk" feature of this Robotic PC design is only dominant when you
    >>>>use this robot as an ordinary PC. When using this robotic PC as a
    >>>>probe in a remote location, the desk collapsed to make the whole thing
    >>>>more compact, nimble and ready to mingle.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>>>>Why not give deskoid robotic PC a thought, it might not be so
    >>
    >> "gibberish"
    >>
    >>>>>>>I didn't say a thing about 'robots'. It was your claim that desks are
    >>
    >> "a
    >>
    >>>>>>>must" for 'PeeCees' that I disputed, with examples provided. And then
    >>
    >> that
    >>
    >>>>>>>your follow-up argument, to presumably support the claim, was
    >>
    >> gibberish.
    >>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Sorry for the confusion, but what is "PeeCees"?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>It's the (slang) 'phonetic' of PC: PeeCee(s, for plural) and
    >>
    >> distinguishes
    >>
    >>>>>it from Politically Correct.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Than again that sounds
    >>>>>>like a minor detail. Why don't we just let it slide?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Frankly, it sounds like gibberish.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>The fact is, while many people use them on desks, it is not 'a must'
    >>
    >> for a
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>'PeeCee', with laptops/notebooks being just one obvious example.
    >>
    >> And, no,
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>they don't need a 'motorized wheel-desk' to be mobile, nor to use
    >>
    >> them.
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>In addition to notebooks, I already have a VCR sized HTPC, run with
    >>
    >> a 'TV'
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>style remote, similar to that mentioned in the article and I don't
    >>
    >> want a
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>'desk' built into that one either.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Nor, btw, do I want a 'desk built in' my desk lamp, Mont Blanc pen,
    >>
    >> note
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>pad, telephone, or anything else that I 'traditionally use' on my
    >>
    >> desk
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>because there's no benefit in doing so but plenty of drawbacks.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:<10e3hj99cfbug7a@corp.supernews.com>...
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>baracooda wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Traditionally, PC is design to be use with a desk. This is more a
    >>
    >> must
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>than an option. So, why not built PC with a desk built-in.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>You just wiped out the entire notebook/laptop industry, plus who
    >>
    >> knows what
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>others.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>This is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>sort like the coffee table book about coffee table that is also
    >>
    >> in
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>itself a coffee table.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:<e49ffd2f.0405300731.53ec1281@posting.google.com>...
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>I heard that Microsoft is looking for ideas to transform Xbox
    >>
    >> into a
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>more PC like machine. Perhaps it would be ideal for Xbox to
    >>
    >> evolve
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>further into a photo robotic PC in the living room.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/27/news_6099472.html
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:<e49ffd2f.0405270557.5663c42@posting.google.com>...
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Technological advances in PC-based/Windows-based robotics goes
    >>
    >> with
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>their own drum beats.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>But, I hope things are indeed brewing underneath the quiet
    >>
    >> surface.
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>PC do have the potential to become more robotic, just add X and
    >>
    >> Y
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>components...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-robotic PC in the living room just aren't that exciting,
    >>
    >> don't you
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>think?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>wayne.chiang@gmail.com (baracooda) wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:<e49ffd2f.0405251405.d8ebf7c@posting.google.com>...
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's "ultimate" PC will be a robotic PC that look
    >>
    >> like....
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://funkycoldamoeba.blogspot.com
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ablang <HilaryDuffThePerfectWoman052304@ablang-duff.com> wrote
    >>
    >> in message news:<hktt90tuuiv41v8k0pr8kcq8dbd96b0sik@4ax.com>...
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[Ed. The PC could well be on it's way out.]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will Windows Power the Living Room?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft's Home Concept PC combines video recorder, CD
    >>
    >> player, phone, and more.
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joris Evers, IDG News Service
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tuesday, May 04, 2004
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SEATTLE -- Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard are showing off at a
    >>
    >> developers
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>conference here some Windows XP concept devices intended to
    >>
    >> replace a consumer's
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video recorder, CD player, answering machine, and telephone.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is expected to make its debut in the
    >>
    >> opening talk by
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates at
    >>
    >> the annual Windows
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) this week.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The hub of the Windows Home Concept is the Home Center PC,
    >>
    >> which looks more like
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a fancy video recorder than a PC. Unlike today's Windows
    >>
    >> systems, the device can
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>turn on and off instantly and operate silently. Also, it does
    >>
    >> not need a mouse
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>or keyboard; all access is through an intelligent remote
    >>
    >> control that features a
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>color screen, fingerprint reader, microphone, and speaker,
    >>
    >> according to
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft and HP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Windows Home Concept is an evolution of Windows XP Media
    >>
    >> Center Edition,
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>says Greg Sullivan, lead product manager for Windows.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The improvements in Windows combined with new hardware will
    >>
    >> enable devices that
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we will be happy to put in our living room," Sullivan says.
    >>
    >> Media Center PCs
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>allow users to use a remote control to provide access via TV
    >>
    >> to photos, video,
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and music stored on their PC, as well as selected Internet
    >>
    >> services such as
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>movie downloads.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Multitasking Device
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft has a grand vision for the Windows Home Concept.
    >>
    >> Through the
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fingerprint reader on the remote, the Home Center PC will
    >>
    >> automatically show an
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>individual user's favorite TV shows and computer games. The
    >>
    >> screen on the remote
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will let users to select shows to record, even while the PC
    >>
    >> is doing something
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>else.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When connected to a phone line, the Home Center PC can
    >>
    >> display caller
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>information on the TV when a call comes in. The user can then
    >>
    >> decide whether to
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>take the call, with the remote acting as a speaker phone, or
    >>
    >> have the PC answer
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the call. TV can be paused while a call is answered, using
    >>
    >> the system's digital
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video recording features.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The HP concept Home Center PC boasts a DVD burner,
    >>
    >> high-capacity hard disk
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>drive, and other features, says Ameer Karim, HP's director of
    >>
    >> worldwide product
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>marketing. It also has a display on the front, much like
    >>
    >> traditional consumer
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>electronics devices.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Think of this as replacing your DVD recorder, VCR, CD
    >>
    >> player, TiVo, and
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>potentially your AV receiver in the future," he says. "This
    >>
    >> is the PC turned
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>into an entertainment device." For a separate den room as
    >>
    >> well as the office, HP
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will continue to make and sell regular PCs, he says.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Home Center PC will also function as a wireless access
    >>
    >> point for other PCs
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the home to access data and to share its broadband
    >>
    >> Internet connection. Aside
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from the Home Center PC, the Windows Home Concept also
    >>
    >> includes a Home Tablet PC
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that will come with a docking station and can synchronize
    >>
    >> with the Home Center
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PC.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The vision for the Home Tablet PC is similar to that of the
    >>
    >> Smart Display, the
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wireless PC displays that Microsoft dropped in December, only
    >>
    >> a year after the
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>first Smart Displays shipped.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Home Tablet PC is a more compelling scenario," Sullivan
    >>
    >> says. "There is a
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>notion that the ability to take my content with me and it
    >>
    >> still be usable when I
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>am away from my home network is an important feature." The
    >>
    >> comments echo the
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>broad criticism of Smart Displays, which were found to be
    >>
    >> overpriced, dumb
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mobile terminals.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just a Peek
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just as with concept cars at auto shows, the Windows Home
    >>
    >> Concept devices won't
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be found at retailers soon, Sullivan says.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"This is not a product announcement; it is a demonstration of
    >>
    >> a concept," he
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>says. "Over the next 12 to 18 months you will see many of the
    >>
    >> technologies that
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we are showing here shipping in PCs. The full end-to-end
    >>
    >> scenario of the
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>concept, we're thinking is kind of a 2006 scenario."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A step closer to the vision will be reality later this year.
    >>
    >> Several hardware
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>makers, including HP, plan release Windows Media Center
    >>
    >> Extenders before the
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>December holiday shopping season. The Windows Media Center
    >>
    >> Extender removes the
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need to physically connect the TV to a Media Center PC or
    >>
    >> even have it in the
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>same room.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>At WinHEC, Microsoft tells hardware makers where it is headed
    >>
    >> with Windows and
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>related software products so they can allocate resources
    >>
    >> accordingly.
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In addition to the Windows Home Concept, Microsoft plans to
    >>
    >> provide details
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>about Web services for devices such as printers and digital
    >>
    >> cameras as well as
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>its plans for products including Windows Media Digital Rights
    >>
    >> Management,
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, and Longhorn, the successor to
    >>
    >> Windows XP.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115977,tk,dn050404X,0
    >>
    >> 0.asp
    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>==
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Guys are like dogs. They keep coming back. Ladies
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>are like cats. Yell at a cat one time... they're gone."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-- Lenny Bruce
    >>>
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    baracooda wrote:

    > David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10efaepsh2rlcab@corp.supernews.com>...
    >
    >>baracooda wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>>One of the problems with your 'explanations' is you incoherently jump all
    >>>>over the place at random. LAST message you were talking about in the
    >>>>"living room" and now you're roving "college courses" for some unknown reason.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Robotic PC will enable you to take college courses from the comfort of
    >>>your living room, provided that you have a robotic PC on both end. It
    >>>is another way of interacting with people and things in this world. In
    >>>this case robotic PC=two way mobile videoconference machine.
    >>
    >>So does a camera and a TV set. PBS has been doing it for decades, and
    >>without a roving robo-desk I might add.
    >
    >
    > Such broadcast version provides little or no real time interaction
    > before during or after the class. Which is a very important part of
    > the learning process.

    Then show UP for class.


    >>
    >>>>The fact of the matter is, for what most 'normal' people use a camera for
    >>>>it's just fine to hold it in your cute little fingers and take the
    >>>>pictures: no 'robot' needed.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>With robotic PC as a camera server, user can login to this server and
    >>>take pictures from miles away with out any travel time. There are
    >>>certain spots in this world where such service might be welcome.
    >>
    >>Watch the Travel Channel if you don't want to 'go there'.
    >
    >
    > There are many ways to find out any particular location of interest.
    > Unless you are the owner of that travel channel. The odds are against
    > you finding exactly the information that you need.

    The fact of the matter is, no one is going to buy a robot and pay travel
    fare for it to go and 'check out' a vacation spot.

    >
    >>>After
    >>>all these decades, one still have to use a finger to take a picture
    >>>one by one?
    >>
    >>Because it's convenient, cheap, and does precisely the job I want. And
    >>you've not provided any benefit to doing it another way; just that it
    >>'could be done' another way.
    >>
    >>And I don't need a robot to wipe my butt either just to be your version of
    >>'modern' vs the 'decades old way'.
    >
    >
    > There are already toilet seats that spray water right where it is
    > needed. Quiet common in Japan and rest of the Far East.

    It ain't a robot, must less a roving desk.


    >>>>Because it is a 'solution' looking for a problem and in the finest Rube
    >>>>Goldberg tradition (especially your obsession with 'a desk'): "Look mom, I
    >>>>made a 10 grand 'roving desk' to carry my 200 buck camera." And I imagine
    >>>>the typical reply would be "what on earth FOR?"
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>I have disclosed this idea to many others before. The responses ranges
    >>>from one end of the spectrum to "I wish to remain an Amish". A few
    >>>begins to explore the possibility even beyond my imagination.
    >>>Basically, what I trying to say is that the whole is greater than sum
    >>>of its parts. This machine has the potential to do many new things
    >>>that can't be (easily) done before.
    >>
    >>You seem to miss the point: Just doing things a 'new way' isn't a goal, in
    >>and of itself, nor necessarily desirable. There must be some BENEFIT to
    >>doing it the 'new way', and it must be practical (which includes cost), or
    >>else it ends up in a TV show about "crazy ideas that never made it." (all
    >>of which were 'new ways', 'modern', and 'did things'.)
    >
    >
    > Agree, new way aren't necessary the better way.
    >
    >>
    >>>>To which you list off supposed 'features' (what it 'could do') but no
    >>>>benefits. E.g. Why would someone want "a prolific picture capturing
    >>>>machine" when what most people want are 'good pictures' of specific things
    >>>>(not to mention their own creative input in taking the picture), not simply
    >>>>a million of them? Why would someone want to sit in a room navigating the
    >>>>'roving desk' to "tourist destinations" when the point of taking 'tourist
    >>>>pictures' is to show where THEY'VE been and what THEY saw? (otherwise, stay
    >>>>home and watch the Travel Channel.)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Robotic PC will be a good way to help you choose your next travel
    >>>destination.
    >>
    >>A 10 grand robot, plus airfare for it, to replace a free travel brochure?
    >>And don't bother with descriptions of how much 'better' than a travel
    >>brochure it is because I can hear the average person's reply right now
    >>"hell, for THAT price I could GO there mySELF!"
    >
    >
    > This is like comparing the price of an automobile with the price of a
    > single bus ticket. No one buys a car for any particular trip. And
    > nobody buys a general purpose robot for just one single purpose. In
    > practice, if a robotic PC can indeed provide a real time active travel
    > brochure, the resort of that particular travel destination will likely
    > to provide such robot.

    Why? When all they need provide is what they're already providing.


    >>
    >>>No machine can replace an actual vacation, at least not
    >>>yet.
    >>
    >>Not yet? WHY in god's name would ANYone EVER want it to 'replace' their
    >>vacation?
    >>
    >>
    >>>A travel channel only shows what the producer wants you to see or what
    >>>the camera man happens to point the camera in that particular
    >>>direction. With the robotic PC, you are in control of the camera, and
    >>>interact with whom ever in the picture in real time. Sort of like your
    >>>own personal live broadcast system.
    >>
    >>'Interact' with? Bloody well GO THERE if you want to 'see', 'interact', and
    >>have your vacation.
    >>
    >>Given the current state of the art, the kinds of 'features' you're talking
    >>about are pretty much useful only for places humans CAN'T (at least easily)
    >>go to, like Mars or the core of a live volcano.
    >
    >
    > Once proliferated, robotic PC will give human the power of virtual
    > omnipresence.

    Nice buzz word but with no practical meaning.

    > Not too sure about if there is a demand to see live
    > volcano super up-close.

    Since they've already made some for that specific purpose I'd say you've
    underestimated the need.

    <snip of old stuff>
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    David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10eih8g8s61ctca@corp.supernews.com>...
    > baracooda wrote:
    >
    > > David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10efaepsh2rlcab@corp.supernews.com>...
    > >
    > >>baracooda wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>>One of the problems with your 'explanations' is you incoherently jump all
    > >>>>over the place at random. LAST message you were talking about in the
    > >>>>"living room" and now you're roving "college courses" for some unknown reason.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>Robotic PC will enable you to take college courses from the comfort of
    > >>>your living room, provided that you have a robotic PC on both end. It
    > >>>is another way of interacting with people and things in this world. In
    > >>>this case robotic PC=two way mobile videoconference machine.
    > >>
    > >>So does a camera and a TV set. PBS has been doing it for decades, and
    > >>without a roving robo-desk I might add.
    > >
    > >
    > > Such broadcast version provides little or no real time interaction
    > > before during or after the class. Which is a very important part of
    > > the learning process.
    >
    > Then show UP for class.
    >
    >
    > >>
    > >>>>The fact of the matter is, for what most 'normal' people use a camera for
    > >>>>it's just fine to hold it in your cute little fingers and take the
    > >>>>pictures: no 'robot' needed.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>With robotic PC as a camera server, user can login to this server and
    > >>>take pictures from miles away with out any travel time. There are
    > >>>certain spots in this world where such service might be welcome.
    > >>
    > >>Watch the Travel Channel if you don't want to 'go there'.
    > >
    > >
    > > There are many ways to find out any particular location of interest.
    > > Unless you are the owner of that travel channel. The odds are against
    > > you finding exactly the information that you need.
    >
    > The fact of the matter is, no one is going to buy a robot and pay travel
    > fare for it to go and 'check out' a vacation spot.

    Mars isn't a vacation spot, yet, but NASA did purchase a few rovers.
    >
    > >
    > >>>After
    > >>>all these decades, one still have to use a finger to take a picture
    > >>>one by one?
    > >>
    > >>Because it's convenient, cheap, and does precisely the job I want. And
    > >>you've not provided any benefit to doing it another way; just that it
    > >>'could be done' another way.
    > >>
    > >>And I don't need a robot to wipe my butt either just to be your version of
    > >>'modern' vs the 'decades old way'.
    > >
    > >
    > > There are already toilet seats that spray water right where it is
    > > needed. Quiet common in Japan and rest of the Far East.
    >
    > It ain't a robot, must less a roving desk.

    It operates with a tiny robotic arm that squirts water...

    >
    >
    > >>>>Because it is a 'solution' looking for a problem and in the finest Rube
    > >>>>Goldberg tradition (especially your obsession with 'a desk'): "Look mom, I
    > >>>>made a 10 grand 'roving desk' to carry my 200 buck camera." And I imagine
    > >>>>the typical reply would be "what on earth FOR?"
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>I have disclosed this idea to many others before. The responses ranges
    > >>>from one end of the spectrum to "I wish to remain an Amish". A few
    > >>>begins to explore the possibility even beyond my imagination.
    > >>>Basically, what I trying to say is that the whole is greater than sum
    > >>>of its parts. This machine has the potential to do many new things
    > >>>that can't be (easily) done before.
    > >>
    > >>You seem to miss the point: Just doing things a 'new way' isn't a goal, in
    > >>and of itself, nor necessarily desirable. There must be some BENEFIT to
    > >>doing it the 'new way', and it must be practical (which includes cost), or
    > >>else it ends up in a TV show about "crazy ideas that never made it." (all
    > >>of which were 'new ways', 'modern', and 'did things'.)
    > >
    > >
    > > Agree, new way aren't necessary the better way.
    > >
    > >>
    > >>>>To which you list off supposed 'features' (what it 'could do') but no
    > >>>>benefits. E.g. Why would someone want "a prolific picture capturing
    > >>>>machine" when what most people want are 'good pictures' of specific things
    > >>>>(not to mention their own creative input in taking the picture), not simply
    > >>>>a million of them? Why would someone want to sit in a room navigating the
    > >>>>'roving desk' to "tourist destinations" when the point of taking 'tourist
    > >>>>pictures' is to show where THEY'VE been and what THEY saw? (otherwise, stay
    > >>>>home and watch the Travel Channel.)
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>Robotic PC will be a good way to help you choose your next travel
    > >>>destination.
    > >>
    > >>A 10 grand robot, plus airfare for it, to replace a free travel brochure?
    > >>And don't bother with descriptions of how much 'better' than a travel
    > >>brochure it is because I can hear the average person's reply right now
    > >>"hell, for THAT price I could GO there mySELF!"
    > >
    > >
    > > This is like comparing the price of an automobile with the price of a
    > > single bus ticket. No one buys a car for any particular trip. And
    > > nobody buys a general purpose robot for just one single purpose. In
    > > practice, if a robotic PC can indeed provide a real time active travel
    > > brochure, the resort of that particular travel destination will likely
    > > to provide such robot.
    >
    > Why? When all they need provide is what they're already providing.

    Not so sure about that.
    >
    >
    > >>
    > >>>No machine can replace an actual vacation, at least not
    > >>>yet.
    > >>
    > >>Not yet? WHY in god's name would ANYone EVER want it to 'replace' their
    > >>vacation?
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>A travel channel only shows what the producer wants you to see or what
    > >>>the camera man happens to point the camera in that particular
    > >>>direction. With the robotic PC, you are in control of the camera, and
    > >>>interact with whom ever in the picture in real time. Sort of like your
    > >>>own personal live broadcast system.
    > >>
    > >>'Interact' with? Bloody well GO THERE if you want to 'see', 'interact', and
    > >>have your vacation.
    > >>
    > >>Given the current state of the art, the kinds of 'features' you're talking
    > >>about are pretty much useful only for places humans CAN'T (at least easily)
    > >>go to, like Mars or the core of a live volcano.
    > >
    > >
    > > Once proliferated, robotic PC will give human the power of virtual
    > > omnipresence.
    >
    > Nice buzz word but with no practical meaning.

    If you can make visual and audio contact/interaction with any
    things/people in any location in this world, isn't that practically an
    omnipresence?

    >
    > > Not too sure about if there is a demand to see live
    > > volcano super up-close.
    >
    > Since they've already made some for that specific purpose I'd say you've
    > underestimated the need.

    few days ago, on history or discovery channel, somebody did try to
    send an legged robot down to a volcano.
    http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/vw_news/dante.html
    >
    > <snip of old stuff>
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    baracooda wrote:

    > David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10eih8g8s61ctca@corp.supernews.com>...
    >
    >>baracooda wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<10efaepsh2rlcab@corp.supernews.com>...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>baracooda wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>>One of the problems with your 'explanations' is you incoherently jump all
    >>>>>>over the place at random. LAST message you were talking about in the
    >>>>>>"living room" and now you're roving "college courses" for some unknown reason.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Robotic PC will enable you to take college courses from the comfort of
    >>>>>your living room, provided that you have a robotic PC on both end. It
    >>>>>is another way of interacting with people and things in this world. In
    >>>>>this case robotic PC=two way mobile videoconference machine.
    >>>>
    >>>>So does a camera and a TV set. PBS has been doing it for decades, and
    >>>>without a roving robo-desk I might add.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Such broadcast version provides little or no real time interaction
    >>>before during or after the class. Which is a very important part of
    >>>the learning process.
    >>
    >>Then show UP for class.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>>>>The fact of the matter is, for what most 'normal' people use a camera for
    >>>>>>it's just fine to hold it in your cute little fingers and take the
    >>>>>>pictures: no 'robot' needed.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>With robotic PC as a camera server, user can login to this server and
    >>>>>take pictures from miles away with out any travel time. There are
    >>>>>certain spots in this world where such service might be welcome.
    >>>>
    >>>>Watch the Travel Channel if you don't want to 'go there'.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>There are many ways to find out any particular location of interest.
    >>>Unless you are the owner of that travel channel. The odds are against
    >>>you finding exactly the information that you need.
    >>
    >>The fact of the matter is, no one is going to buy a robot and pay travel
    >>fare for it to go and 'check out' a vacation spot.
    >
    >
    > Mars isn't a vacation spot, yet, but NASA did purchase a few rovers.

    That's right, it isn't. It's one of those places I mentioned as a practical
    use for one: places where humans either can't go or it's too dangerous to go.


    >>>>>After
    >>>>>all these decades, one still have to use a finger to take a picture
    >>>>>one by one?
    >>>>
    >>>>Because it's convenient, cheap, and does precisely the job I want. And
    >>>>you've not provided any benefit to doing it another way; just that it
    >>>>'could be done' another way.
    >>>>
    >>>>And I don't need a robot to wipe my butt either just to be your version of
    >>>>'modern' vs the 'decades old way'.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>There are already toilet seats that spray water right where it is
    >>>needed. Quiet common in Japan and rest of the Far East.
    >>
    >>It ain't a robot, must less a roving desk.
    >
    >
    > It operates with a tiny robotic arm that squirts water...

    You're stretching things to the ridiculous and it has no bearing on your
    'roving desk'.


    >>>>>>Because it is a 'solution' looking for a problem and in the finest Rube
    >>>>>>Goldberg tradition (especially your obsession with 'a desk'): "Look mom, I
    >>>>>>made a 10 grand 'roving desk' to carry my 200 buck camera." And I imagine
    >>>>>>the typical reply would be "what on earth FOR?"
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>I have disclosed this idea to many others before. The responses ranges
    >>>>
    >>>>>from one end of the spectrum to "I wish to remain an Amish". A few
    >>>>
    >>>>>begins to explore the possibility even beyond my imagination.
    >>>>>Basically, what I trying to say is that the whole is greater than sum
    >>>>>of its parts. This machine has the potential to do many new things
    >>>>>that can't be (easily) done before.
    >>>>
    >>>>You seem to miss the point: Just doing things a 'new way' isn't a goal, in
    >>>>and of itself, nor necessarily desirable. There must be some BENEFIT to
    >>>>doing it the 'new way', and it must be practical (which includes cost), or
    >>>>else it ends up in a TV show about "crazy ideas that never made it." (all
    >>>>of which were 'new ways', 'modern', and 'did things'.)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Agree, new way aren't necessary the better way.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>>>To which you list off supposed 'features' (what it 'could do') but no
    >>>>>>benefits. E.g. Why would someone want "a prolific picture capturing
    >>>>>>machine" when what most people want are 'good pictures' of specific things
    >>>>>>(not to mention their own creative input in taking the picture), not simply
    >>>>>>a million of them? Why would someone want to sit in a room navigating the
    >>>>>>'roving desk' to "tourist destinations" when the point of taking 'tourist
    >>>>>>pictures' is to show where THEY'VE been and what THEY saw? (otherwise, stay
    >>>>>>home and watch the Travel Channel.)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Robotic PC will be a good way to help you choose your next travel
    >>>>>destination.
    >>>>
    >>>>A 10 grand robot, plus airfare for it, to replace a free travel brochure?
    >>>>And don't bother with descriptions of how much 'better' than a travel
    >>>>brochure it is because I can hear the average person's reply right now
    >>>>"hell, for THAT price I could GO there mySELF!"
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>This is like comparing the price of an automobile with the price of a
    >>>single bus ticket. No one buys a car for any particular trip. And
    >>>nobody buys a general purpose robot for just one single purpose. In
    >>>practice, if a robotic PC can indeed provide a real time active travel
    >>>brochure, the resort of that particular travel destination will likely
    >>>to provide such robot.
    >>
    >>Why? When all they need provide is what they're already providing.
    >
    >
    > Not so sure about that.

    You can, of course, make some and try to sell them. I wish you luck.

    >>>>>No machine can replace an actual vacation, at least not
    >>>>>yet.
    >>>>
    >>>>Not yet? WHY in god's name would ANYone EVER want it to 'replace' their
    >>>>vacation?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>A travel channel only shows what the producer wants you to see or what
    >>>>>the camera man happens to point the camera in that particular
    >>>>>direction. With the robotic PC, you are in control of the camera, and
    >>>>>interact with whom ever in the picture in real time. Sort of like your
    >>>>>own personal live broadcast system.
    >>>>
    >>>>'Interact' with? Bloody well GO THERE if you want to 'see', 'interact', and
    >>>>have your vacation.
    >>>>
    >>>>Given the current state of the art, the kinds of 'features' you're talking
    >>>>about are pretty much useful only for places humans CAN'T (at least easily)
    >>>>go to, like Mars or the core of a live volcano.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Once proliferated, robotic PC will give human the power of virtual
    >>>omnipresence.
    >>
    >>Nice buzz word but with no practical meaning.
    >
    >
    > If you can make visual and audio contact/interaction with any
    > things/people in any location in this world, isn't that practically an
    > omnipresence?

    Might as well ask if I can be every place in the universe isn't that
    omnipresence because, since the premise is unobtainable, the question has
    no usefulness.

    The fact of the matter is the robot could only be one place at a time and
    if you want a semblence of being 'everywhere' you'd come closer to it by
    fast channel changing the cable TV while roving the radio shortwave bands.
    Not to mention a human can't handle the information from being
    'onmipresent' in the first place, 'virtual' or otherwise.

    Want two way 'interaction'? Pick up a telephone. The point is, there are
    easier ways to do what you claim for the robot.

    And don't tell me one of it's features will be to go where there aren't
    phone lines because they haven't mastered getting up a curb yet, much less
    roving around the country side. Not to mention needing a recharge every 1/2
    mile or so, or one heck of a long extension cord.

    >>>Not too sure about if there is a demand to see live
    >>>volcano super up-close.
    >>
    >>Since they've already made some for that specific purpose I'd say you've
    >>underestimated the need.
    >
    >
    > few days ago, on history or discovery channel, somebody did try to
    > send an legged robot down to a volcano.
    > http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/vw_news/dante.html

    Yup. That was a rerun. Seen it.

    >
    >><snip of old stuff>
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