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scotoma (me@play.co.uk) wrote in
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Subject: Whining PSU
> what makes the capacitors on a PSU whine?
> The whining PSU is a new Mercury 300W powering a
> Gigabyte KT400 mobo, 40GB Samsung ATA100, AthlonXP
> 3000 "in a box" with supplied fan, 512MB DDR333,
> nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 (lol), 1x case fan, 52x CDRom,
> onboard sound, usb2 x 4. OS is windows XP Pro.
>
> I've tried changing the new 300W PSU with an old and
> known to be quiet same brand Mercury 300W PSU which used
> to silently power a Chaintech Apogee mobo, AthlonXP 1800,
> dual fan, 512MB DDR266, nVidia FX5200 128MB, 1x case fan,
> 200GB Maxtor ATA133, Pioneer 107, Plextor 48a, Yamaha SW1000XG
> sound card, SBLive 5.1 sound card and 6x usb.
> Surely the AthlonXP 1800 system (300W PSU) was drawing more
> power than the AthlonXP 3000 system yet the PSU's are
> squeeling like **** on the AthlonXP 3000 system????
Capacitors rarely whine noticeably, but bad capacitors can make coils,
including transformers, whine by causing the voltage regulation to
overcompensate. The power supply generates high frequency AC whose
duty cycle (amount of time it's on verses off) is varied to vary the
output voltage, but when capacitors are bad or the power supply is
simply overloaded, the regulation makes the duty cycle go too high,
causing very narrow pulses to be fed to the transformer and cause it
to whine. Since these are Mercury brand supplies, probably by Deer,
one of the worst manufacturers, and are rated for only 300W and you
have an XP3000+, I suspect they were simply overloaded, especially
their +5V and +3.3V outputs (the KT400 uses +5V to run the CPU). You
can't automatically assume that an XP1800+ system with an FX5200 draws
more power than an XP3000+ with a TNT2 M64, and most 300W power
supplies can't run an XP3000+. Think of getting a supply made by
Fortron-Source, such as those sold by www.directron.com or
www.newegg.com under several different brands. They're very good but
unusually inexpensive, and a 350W model should be able to run almost
anything.
scotoma (me@play.co.uk) wrote in
message <ZVJuc.13872$Dm2.8753@front-1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Whining PSU
> what makes the capacitors on a PSU whine?
> The whining PSU is a new Mercury 300W powering a
> Gigabyte KT400 mobo, 40GB Samsung ATA100, AthlonXP
> 3000 "in a box" with supplied fan, 512MB DDR333,
> nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 (lol), 1x case fan, 52x CDRom,
> onboard sound, usb2 x 4. OS is windows XP Pro.
>
> I've tried changing the new 300W PSU with an old and
> known to be quiet same brand Mercury 300W PSU which used
> to silently power a Chaintech Apogee mobo, AthlonXP 1800,
> dual fan, 512MB DDR266, nVidia FX5200 128MB, 1x case fan,
> 200GB Maxtor ATA133, Pioneer 107, Plextor 48a, Yamaha SW1000XG
> sound card, SBLive 5.1 sound card and 6x usb.
> Surely the AthlonXP 1800 system (300W PSU) was drawing more
> power than the AthlonXP 3000 system yet the PSU's are
> squeeling like **** on the AthlonXP 3000 system????
Capacitors rarely whine noticeably, but bad capacitors can make coils,
including transformers, whine by causing the voltage regulation to
overcompensate. The power supply generates high frequency AC whose
duty cycle (amount of time it's on verses off) is varied to vary the
output voltage, but when capacitors are bad or the power supply is
simply overloaded, the regulation makes the duty cycle go too high,
causing very narrow pulses to be fed to the transformer and cause it
to whine. Since these are Mercury brand supplies, probably by Deer,
one of the worst manufacturers, and are rated for only 300W and you
have an XP3000+, I suspect they were simply overloaded, especially
their +5V and +3.3V outputs (the KT400 uses +5V to run the CPU). You
can't automatically assume that an XP1800+ system with an FX5200 draws
more power than an XP3000+ with a TNT2 M64, and most 300W power
supplies can't run an XP3000+. Think of getting a supply made by
Fortron-Source, such as those sold by www.directron.com or
www.newegg.com under several different brands. They're very good but
unusually inexpensive, and a 350W model should be able to run almost
anything.