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Need a new Hard Drive, currently have Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ATA100 80Gb -
been v.pleased with it. Will do a complete OS rebuild on new drive, then use
80Gb as secondary storage etc.
Q1 - Would i notice a speed increase if I went SATA 150 ?? are there any
real world benefits to SATA other than thinner cables ??
Q2 - What brands are recommended ?? - have been pleased with Seagate so far
so am leaning towards that rather tham cheaper Maxtor.
Q3 - Komplete have a deal for today - Maxtor Diamandmax 10 200Gb SATA for
£77 (UKP 77) - any good ??
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JonMaC wrote:
> Need a new Hard Drive, currently have Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ATA100 80Gb -
> been v.pleased with it. Will do a complete OS rebuild on new drive, then use
> 80Gb as secondary storage etc.
>
> Q1 - Would i notice a speed increase if I went SATA 150 ?? are there any
> real world benefits to SATA other than thinner cables ??
> Q2 - What brands are recommended ?? - have been pleased with Seagate so far
> so am leaning towards that rather tham cheaper Maxtor.
> Q3 - Komplete have a deal for today - Maxtor Diamandmax 10 200Gb SATA for
> £77 (UKP 77) - any good ??
>
> Speedy response re: Q3 obviously appreciated.
> PC specs - Barton 2500, MSI KT6V mobo, 512Mb RAM, 80GB Seagate Barracuda
>
> Thanks JonMaC
>
>
A1: When I built my Athlon 64 system I switched to 2 Hitachi 80GB SATA
drives (not using RAID) and I feel my system boots quicker and is more
responsive with the SATA 150 interface.
A2: I went with the Hitachi drives after reading several reviews of
various drive and the Hitachi was rated very highly. But, just like
women and cars, not everyone has the same preferences.
A3: Although the price is reasonable for the Maxtor, how long is the
warranty? Too many of the drives have only a 1 year warranty, or less.
Hitachi has a 3 year warranty and I believe someone posted recently
that Seagate has a 5 year warranty. I would look for a good warranty
period on the product.
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JonMaC wrote:
> Need a new Hard Drive, currently have Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ATA100
> 80Gb - been v.pleased with it. Will do a complete OS rebuild on new
> drive, then use 80Gb as secondary storage etc.
>
> Q1 - Would i notice a speed increase if I went SATA 150 ?? are there
> any real world benefits to SATA other than thinner cables ??
> Q2 - What brands are recommended ?? - have been pleased with Seagate
> so far so am leaning towards that rather tham cheaper Maxtor.
> Q3 - Komplete have a deal for today - Maxtor Diamandmax 10 200Gb SATA
> for £77 (UKP 77) - any good ??
>
Out of interest , what is the situation with motherboards supporting serial
and parallel ATA drives?
Can you run both at the same time , and also how many serial ATA drives can
you run in one machine.
--
Alex
"I laugh in the face of danger"
"Then I hide until it goes away"
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"Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2sfmspF1jo291U1@uni-berlin.de...
> JonMaC wrote:
>> Need a new Hard Drive, currently have Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ATA100
>> 80Gb - been v.pleased with it. Will do a complete OS rebuild on new
>> drive, then use 80Gb as secondary storage etc.
>>
>> Q1 - Would i notice a speed increase if I went SATA 150 ?? are there
>> any real world benefits to SATA other than thinner cables ??
>> Q2 - What brands are recommended ?? - have been pleased with Seagate
>> so far so am leaning towards that rather tham cheaper Maxtor.
>> Q3 - Komplete have a deal for today - Maxtor Diamandmax 10 200Gb SATA
>> for £77 (UKP 77) - any good ??
>>
> Out of interest , what is the situation with motherboards supporting
> serial and parallel ATA drives?
>
> Can you run both at the same time , and also how many serial ATA drives
> can you run in one machine.
>
>
> --
> Alex
>
Most (all?) SATA enabled motherboards should be able to run PATA drives at
the same time - both my Asus mobos do.
My Intel based mobo has 2 SATA controllers allowing up to 4 SATA drives.
--
Doug Ramage
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"Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2sfmspF1jo291U1@uni-berlin.de...
> JonMaC wrote:
> > Need a new Hard Drive, currently have Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ATA100
> > 80Gb - been v.pleased with it. Will do a complete OS rebuild on new
> > drive, then use 80Gb as secondary storage etc.
> >
> > Q1 - Would i notice a speed increase if I went SATA 150 ?? are there
> > any real world benefits to SATA other than thinner cables ??
> > Q2 - What brands are recommended ?? - have been pleased with Seagate
> > so far so am leaning towards that rather tham cheaper Maxtor.
> > Q3 - Komplete have a deal for today - Maxtor Diamandmax 10 200Gb SATA
> > for £77 (UKP 77) - any good ??
> >
> Out of interest , what is the situation with motherboards supporting
serial
> and parallel ATA drives?
>
> Can you run both at the same time , and also how many serial ATA drives
can
> you run in one machine.
>
>
varies from mobo to mobo AFAIK - my MSI can support both at the same time
(friend has one working).
JonMaC
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
> Out of interest , what is the situation with motherboards supporting serial
> and parallel ATA drives?
>
> Can you run both at the same time , and also how many serial ATA drives can
> you run in one machine.
There should be no problems running a mixture of PATA and SATA devices.
At the controller/software-interface level, all ATA controllers are
PCI devices, and there should be no I/O port conflicts because PCI
devices are assigned I/O port ranges by the PCI Bios. IRQ conflicts
should be handled sensibly by software now (although there are a number
of braindead drivers out there and broken OS's that can't cope with any
device sharing IRQ's with any other device (Win98 USB drivers for instance))
IRQ conflicts are lessened further by the appearance of I/O APICs in
systems, which provide IRQ's up to 23, or further in some cases.
You can have as many serial ATA devices as you have serial ATA ports.
Most controllers support two ports, hence only two drives. Some boards
have multiple ports.
You can have twice as many parallel ATA devices, as the bus is designed
to support two devices on each cable, as I'm sure you know. However
some RAID controllers refuse to talk to non-disk devices on their PATA
ports.
My ASUS PC-DL/Deluxe has three parallel ATA, of which PATA0 and PATA1
are 'ordinary' (I.e. disks, DVD-RW, ATAPI tape devices, etc. all
supported), and PATA2 is connected to the RAID controller, and only
supports disks.
It also has four SATA, the first two are connected to the ICH5
Southbridge, and the second two are connected to the previously
mentioned RAID controller.
My (linux based) experiments thus far suggest I can stick a SATA disk on
any of those, and that I don't have to populate them in order. SATA
appears as a SCSI controller, with each disk being a SCSI disk. (This
is linux philosophy showing through, all printers are PostScript devices
(Yep, even my 9-pin epson, assuming I want it to be), and IDE/ATA can
appear as a SCSI controller (as do USB mass storage devices of all kinds))
In the unlikely event of running out of controller capacity, I can
always add further PCI PATA and/or SATA cards, although with the SCSI
controller, tape drive, and assorted other gumpf in there already, I'm
far more likely to run out of drive bays and/or power supply capacity first.
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In article <VUw8d.93$3g6.78@fe39.usenetserver.com>, "Dee" dee@home.net
says...
> JonMaC wrote:
>
> > Need a new Hard Drive, currently have Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ATA100 80Gb -
> > been v.pleased with it. Will do a complete OS rebuild on new drive, then use
> > 80Gb as secondary storage etc.
> >
> > Q1 - Would i notice a speed increase if I went SATA 150 ?? are there any
> > real world benefits to SATA other than thinner cables ??
> > Q2 - What brands are recommended ?? - have been pleased with Seagate so far
> > so am leaning towards that rather tham cheaper Maxtor.
> > Q3 - Komplete have a deal for today - Maxtor Diamandmax 10 200Gb SATA for
> > £77 (UKP 77) - any good ??
> >
> > Speedy response re: Q3 obviously appreciated.
> > PC specs - Barton 2500, MSI KT6V mobo, 512Mb RAM, 80GB Seagate Barracuda
> >
> > Thanks JonMaC
> >
> >
> A1: When I built my Athlon 64 system I switched to 2 Hitachi 80GB SATA
> drives (not using RAID) and I feel my system boots quicker and is more
> responsive with the SATA 150 interface.
But you've never used it with PATA drives?
>
> A2: I went with the Hitachi drives after reading several reviews of
> various drive and the Hitachi was rated very highly. But, just like
> women and cars, not everyone has the same preferences.
IBM drives used to get good reviews for performance, noise and price.
Then they all started to die. Then IBM sold their HD manufacturing
interests to Hitachi.
>
> A3: Although the price is reasonable for the Maxtor, how long is the
> warranty? Too many of the drives have only a 1 year warranty, or less.
> Hitachi has a 3 year warranty and I believe someone posted recently
> that Seagate has a 5 year warranty. I would look for a good warranty
> period on the product.
>
I've not looked recently but Maxtors always used to come with a three-
year swap-out warranty, which is really useful as you can salvage data
onto the replacement drive and you get a box to return the old one.
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Rob Morley wrote:
>>A1: When I built my Athlon 64 system I switched to 2 Hitachi 80GB SATA
>>drives (not using RAID) and I feel my system boots quicker and is more
>>responsive with the SATA 150 interface.
>
>
> But you've never used it with PATA drives?
>
Yes, I installed it on PATA, and on SCSI u160, and I like the
performance of the SATAs compared to either PATA or SCSI u160.
>>A2: I went with the Hitachi drives after reading several reviews of
>>various drive and the Hitachi was rated very highly. But, just like
>>women and cars, not everyone has the same preferences.
>
>
> IBM drives used to get good reviews for performance, noise and price.
> Then they all started to die. Then IBM sold their HD manufacturing
> interests to Hitachi.
>
I'm fully aware of the IBM to Hitachi transaction. I've used IBM and
Hitachi drives for years and have been extremely satisfied with the
quality and reliability of the drives.
>>A3: Although the price is reasonable for the Maxtor, how long is the
>>warranty? Too many of the drives have only a 1 year warranty, or less.
>> Hitachi has a 3 year warranty and I believe someone posted recently
>>that Seagate has a 5 year warranty. I would look for a good warranty
>>period on the product.
>>
>
> I've not looked recently but Maxtors always used to come with a three-
> year swap-out warranty, which is really useful as you can salvage data
> onto the replacement drive and you get a box to return the old one.
>
There was a thread on one of the hardware news groups recently where the
individual had a Maxtor die on him and when he tried to RMA it, he was
told the warranty was only 1 year and they would not issue him a RMA.
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"Dee" <dee@home.net> wrote in message
news:U4A8d.131$3g6.99@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> Rob Morley wrote:
>
>>>A1: When I built my Athlon 64 system I switched to 2 Hitachi 80GB SATA
>>>drives (not using RAID) and I feel my system boots quicker and is more
>>>responsive with the SATA 150 interface.
>>
>>
>> But you've never used it with PATA drives?
>>
> Yes, I installed it on PATA, and on SCSI u160, and I like the performance
> of the SATAs compared to either PATA or SCSI u160.
>
>>>A2: I went with the Hitachi drives after reading several reviews of
>>>various drive and the Hitachi was rated very highly. But, just like
>>>women and cars, not everyone has the same preferences.
>>
>>
>> IBM drives used to get good reviews for performance, noise and price.
>> Then they all started to die. Then IBM sold their HD manufacturing
>> interests to Hitachi.
>>
> I'm fully aware of the IBM to Hitachi transaction. I've used IBM and
> Hitachi drives for years and have been extremely satisfied with the
> quality and reliability of the drives.
>
>>>A3: Although the price is reasonable for the Maxtor, how long is the
>>>warranty? Too many of the drives have only a 1 year warranty, or less.
>>>Hitachi has a 3 year warranty and I believe someone posted recently that
>>>Seagate has a 5 year warranty. I would look for a good warranty period
>>>on the product.
>>>
>>
>> I've not looked recently but Maxtors always used to come with a three-
>> year swap-out warranty, which is really useful as you can salvage data
>> onto the replacement drive and you get a box to return the old one.
> >
> There was a thread on one of the hardware news groups recently where the
> individual had a Maxtor die on him and when he tried to RMA it, he was
> told the warranty was only 1 year and they would not issue him a RMA.
>
"Maxtor DiamondMax Plus ATA bare drives sold to authorized Distributors and
Resellers that have an 8MB cache buffer AND capacities of 120GB or greater
will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 3 years. All other DiamondMax Plus
drives will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 1 year. "
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BigBird wrote:
> "Dee" <dee@home.net> wrote in message
> news:U4A8d.131$3g6.99@fe39.usenetserver.com...
>
>>Rob Morley wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>A1: When I built my Athlon 64 system I switched to 2 Hitachi 80GB SATA
>>>>drives (not using RAID) and I feel my system boots quicker and is more
>>>>responsive with the SATA 150 interface.
>>>
>>>
>>>But you've never used it with PATA drives?
>>>
>>
>>Yes, I installed it on PATA, and on SCSI u160, and I like the performance
>>of the SATAs compared to either PATA or SCSI u160.
>>
>>
>>>>A2: I went with the Hitachi drives after reading several reviews of
>>>>various drive and the Hitachi was rated very highly. But, just like
>>>>women and cars, not everyone has the same preferences.
>>>
>>>
>>>IBM drives used to get good reviews for performance, noise and price.
>>>Then they all started to die. Then IBM sold their HD manufacturing
>>>interests to Hitachi.
>>>
>>
>>I'm fully aware of the IBM to Hitachi transaction. I've used IBM and
>>Hitachi drives for years and have been extremely satisfied with the
>>quality and reliability of the drives.
>>
>>
>>>>A3: Although the price is reasonable for the Maxtor, how long is the
>>>>warranty? Too many of the drives have only a 1 year warranty, or less.
>>>>Hitachi has a 3 year warranty and I believe someone posted recently that
>>>>Seagate has a 5 year warranty. I would look for a good warranty period
>>>>on the product.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I've not looked recently but Maxtors always used to come with a three-
>>>year swap-out warranty, which is really useful as you can salvage data
>>>onto the replacement drive and you get a box to return the old one.
>>>
>>
>>There was a thread on one of the hardware news groups recently where the
>>individual had a Maxtor die on him and when he tried to RMA it, he was
>>told the warranty was only 1 year and they would not issue him a RMA.
>>
>
>
> "Maxtor DiamondMax Plus ATA bare drives sold to authorized Distributors and
> Resellers that have an 8MB cache buffer AND capacities of 120GB or greater
> will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 3 years. All other DiamondMax Plus
> drives will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 1 year. "
>
>
And your point is?
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> "Maxtor DiamondMax Plus ATA bare drives sold to authorized Distributors and
> Resellers that have an 8MB cache buffer AND capacities of 120GB or greater
> will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 3 years. All other DiamondMax Plus
> drives will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 1 year. "
>
>
All Maxtor products purchased on or after May 12, 2003 will carry the
following Maxtor Standard Worldwide Warranty policy:
Maxtor Fireball®, DiamondMax® ATA drives will carry a Standard
Warranty Period of 1 year.
Maxtor DiamondMax Plus ATA bare drives sold to authorized
Distributors and Resellers that have an 8MB cache buffer AND capacities
of 120GB or greater will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 3 years.
All other
DiamondMax Plus drives will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 1 year.
Maxtor MAXLine™ ATA drives will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 3
years.
Maxtor Atlas® SCSI drives will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 5
years.
Limited warranties apply to the geographies in which originally sold by
a Maxtor authorized channel reseller. The Standard Warranty Period may
be subject to variations imposed by local law or regulations.
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In article <uTA8d.143$gj1.65@fe61.usenetserver.com>, "Dee" dee@home.net
says...
> BigBird wrote:
> > "Dee" <dee@home.net> wrote in message
> > news:U4A8d.131$3g6.99@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> >
> >>Rob Morley wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>A1: When I built my Athlon 64 system I switched to 2 Hitachi 80GB SATA
> >>>>drives (not using RAID) and I feel my system boots quicker and is more
> >>>>responsive with the SATA 150 interface.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>But you've never used it with PATA drives?
> >>>
> >>
> >>Yes, I installed it on PATA, and on SCSI u160, and I like the performance
> >>of the SATAs compared to either PATA or SCSI u160.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>A2: I went with the Hitachi drives after reading several reviews of
> >>>>various drive and the Hitachi was rated very highly. But, just like
> >>>>women and cars, not everyone has the same preferences.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>IBM drives used to get good reviews for performance, noise and price.
> >>>Then they all started to die. Then IBM sold their HD manufacturing
> >>>interests to Hitachi.
> >>>
> >>
> >>I'm fully aware of the IBM to Hitachi transaction. I've used IBM and
> >>Hitachi drives for years and have been extremely satisfied with the
> >>quality and reliability of the drives.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>A3: Although the price is reasonable for the Maxtor, how long is the
> >>>>warranty? Too many of the drives have only a 1 year warranty, or less.
> >>>>Hitachi has a 3 year warranty and I believe someone posted recently that
> >>>>Seagate has a 5 year warranty. I would look for a good warranty period
> >>>>on the product.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>I've not looked recently but Maxtors always used to come with a three-
> >>>year swap-out warranty, which is really useful as you can salvage data
> >>>onto the replacement drive and you get a box to return the old one.
> >>>
> >>
> >>There was a thread on one of the hardware news groups recently where the
> >>individual had a Maxtor die on him and when he tried to RMA it, he was
> >>told the warranty was only 1 year and they would not issue him a RMA.
> >>
> >
> >
> > "Maxtor DiamondMax Plus ATA bare drives sold to authorized Distributors and
> > Resellers that have an 8MB cache buffer AND capacities of 120GB or greater
> > will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 3 years. All other DiamondMax Plus
> > drives will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 1 year. "
> >
> >
> And your point is?
>
That those are the current Maxtor warranty terms, perhaps?
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BigBird wrote:
> "Dee" <dee@home.net> wrote in message
> news:U4A8d.131$3g6.99@fe39.usenetserver.com...
>
>>Rob Morley wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>A1: When I built my Athlon 64 system I switched to 2 Hitachi 80GB SATA
>>>>drives (not using RAID) and I feel my system boots quicker and is more
>>>>responsive with the SATA 150 interface.
>>>
>>>
>>>But you've never used it with PATA drives?
>>>
>>
>>Yes, I installed it on PATA, and on SCSI u160, and I like the performance
>>of the SATAs compared to either PATA or SCSI u160.
>>
>>
>>>>A2: I went with the Hitachi drives after reading several reviews of
>>>>various drive and the Hitachi was rated very highly. But, just like
>>>>women and cars, not everyone has the same preferences.
>>>
>>>
>>>IBM drives used to get good reviews for performance, noise and price.
>>>Then they all started to die. Then IBM sold their HD manufacturing
>>>interests to Hitachi.
>>>
>>
>>I'm fully aware of the IBM to Hitachi transaction. I've used IBM and
>>Hitachi drives for years and have been extremely satisfied with the
>>quality and reliability of the drives.
>>
>>
>>>>A3: Although the price is reasonable for the Maxtor, how long is the
>>>>warranty? Too many of the drives have only a 1 year warranty, or less.
>>>>Hitachi has a 3 year warranty and I believe someone posted recently that
>>>>Seagate has a 5 year warranty. I would look for a good warranty period
>>>>on the product.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I've not looked recently but Maxtors always used to come with a three-
>>>year swap-out warranty, which is really useful as you can salvage data
>>>onto the replacement drive and you get a box to return the old one.
>>>
>>
>>There was a thread on one of the hardware news groups recently where the
>>individual had a Maxtor die on him and when he tried to RMA it, he was
>>told the warranty was only 1 year and they would not issue him a RMA.
>>
>
>
> "Maxtor DiamondMax Plus ATA bare drives sold to authorized Distributors and
> Resellers that have an 8MB cache buffer AND capacities of 120GB or greater
> will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 3 years. All other DiamondMax Plus
> drives will carry a Standard Warranty Period of 1 year. "
>
>
Look at the original and you will note he said a DiamondMax 10 200GB
SATA. Reading the Maxtor warranty information on the Maxtor site,
implies the DiamondMax 10 only has a 1 year warranty. It is not a
DiamondMax Plus!!
