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Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 14, 2004 9:25:02 AM

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Hi Guys,

Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of
thing for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to
proffer an opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with
a load of junk that doesn't work together! :) 

Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB) with HT
Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust
1600x1200 Black
RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express

I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad
on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming and some
coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)

If I purchase the above from one of the major UK "parts" suppliers, such
as ebuyer or the like, is there anything else I'm going to need to get?
I'm thinking along the lines of power leads, SATA connector leads, DVI
cable, and especially if I'm going to need any additional cooling or
thermal paste type stuff for the processor.

If you've managed to stay with my witterings this far - then thanks -
and thanks for any comments or help you feel able to give.

All the best,
Pete

More about : specs appreciated

Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 14, 2004 9:46:07 AM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

> Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of thing for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to proffer an opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with a load of junk that doesn't work together! :) 
>
> Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
> Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB) with HT Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
> Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
> Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
> Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
> Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
> DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust 1600x1200 Black
> RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
> Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
>
> I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming and some coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)

Sounds like a Cadillac among computers to me. Go for it. Unless
you think you might want to do 64-bit computing in another year or
so, when the Windows 64 version finally comes out and there are
64-bit programs being written. Also, if you've got the desk space
(and your floorboards can stand the weight), a good 21" CRT
monitor will be brighter and more versatile when it comes to
changing resolutions and gaming.
October 14, 2004 10:57:24 AM

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"Peter Ford" <tarsnip@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:o 4obd.2$wy5.0@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> Hi Guys,
>
> Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of thing
> for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to proffer an
> opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with a load of
> junk that doesn't work together! :) 
>
> Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
> Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB) with HT
> Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
> Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
> Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
> Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
> Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
> DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust 1600x1200
> Black
> RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
> Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
>
> I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad
> on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming and some
> coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)
>
> If I purchase the above from one of the major UK "parts" suppliers, such
> as ebuyer or the like, is there anything else I'm going to need to get?
> I'm thinking along the lines of power leads, SATA connector leads, DVI
> cable, and especially if I'm going to need any additional cooling or
> thermal paste type stuff for the processor.
>
> If you've managed to stay with my witterings this far - then thanks - and
> thanks for any comments or help you feel able to give.
>
> All the best,
> Pete

Hi, don't forget to make sure the PSU has 24 pin ATX connector not the old
20 pin or you will be short on power.
Chris
Technical director CKCCOMPUSCRIPT
Apple Computers, Intel, Roland audio, ATI, Microsoft, Sun Solaris, Cisco and
Silicone Graphics.
Wholesale distributor and specialist audio visual computers and servers
FREE SUPPORT @,
http://www.ckccomp.plus.com/site/page.HTM
ckccomp25@hotmail.com
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October 14, 2004 4:11:49 PM

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Peter Ford wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of
> thing for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to
> proffer an opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with
> a load of junk that doesn't work together! :) 
>
> Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
> Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB) with HT

Why not an Athlon 64 processor instead? Many who buy a 32 bit processor
in '04 will in '05 regret that decision when great 64 bit software becomes
available.

>
> Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
> Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
> Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
> Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
> Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
> DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust
> 1600x1200 Black
> RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
> Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
>
> I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad
> on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming

In Doom 3, a $150 Athlon 64 3000+ socket 754 beats an $815 Pentium 4
3.2 ghz EE.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...

It is also a great performer overall.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...

For around the price of a P4 550, one can get an Athlon 64 3500+.

http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.5376...

> and some
> coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)
>
> If I purchase the above from one of the major UK "parts" suppliers, such
> as ebuyer or the like, is there anything else I'm going to need to get?
> I'm thinking along the lines of power leads, SATA connector leads, DVI
> cable, and especially if I'm going to need any additional cooling or
> thermal paste type stuff for the processor.
>
> If you've managed to stay with my witterings this far - then thanks -
> and thanks for any comments or help you feel able to give.
>
> All the best,
> Pete
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 14, 2004 5:16:20 PM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

Hi Peter,
That mobo supports both raid 0 and 1. So buy yourself another one of the WD
Raptors and Raid 0 them. You will get a significant perfomance increase from
the speed of your drives.
Cheers
Neil


"Peter Ford" <tarsnip@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:o 4obd.2$wy5.0@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> Hi Guys,
>
> Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of
> thing for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to
> proffer an opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with
> a load of junk that doesn't work together! :) 
>
> Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
> Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB) with HT
> Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
> Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
> Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
> Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
> Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
> DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust
> 1600x1200 Black
> RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
> Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
>
> I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad
> on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming and some
> coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)
>
> If I purchase the above from one of the major UK "parts" suppliers, such
> as ebuyer or the like, is there anything else I'm going to need to get?
> I'm thinking along the lines of power leads, SATA connector leads, DVI
> cable, and especially if I'm going to need any additional cooling or
> thermal paste type stuff for the processor.
>
> If you've managed to stay with my witterings this far - then thanks -
> and thanks for any comments or help you feel able to give.
>
> All the best,
> Pete
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 14, 2004 9:25:20 PM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

JK wrote:
>
> Peter Ford wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Guys,
>>
>>Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of
>>thing for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to
>>proffer an opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with
>>a load of junk that doesn't work together! :) 
>>
>>Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
>>Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB) with HT
>
>
> Why not an Athlon 64 processor instead? Many who buy a 32 bit processor
> in '04 will in '05 regret that decision when great 64 bit software becomes
> available.
>
>
>>Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
>>Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
>>Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
>>Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
>>Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
>>DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
>>DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
>>Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust
>>1600x1200 Black
>>RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
>>Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
>>
>>I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad
>>on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming
>
>
> In Doom 3, a $150 Athlon 64 3000+ socket 754 beats an $815 Pentium 4
> 3.2 ghz EE.
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...
>
> It is also a great performer overall.
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...
>
> For around the price of a P4 550, one can get an Athlon 64 3500+.
>
> http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.5376...
>
>
>>and some
>>coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)
>>
>>If I purchase the above from one of the major UK "parts" suppliers, such
>>as ebuyer or the like, is there anything else I'm going to need to get?
>> I'm thinking along the lines of power leads, SATA connector leads, DVI
>>cable, and especially if I'm going to need any additional cooling or
>>thermal paste type stuff for the processor.
>>
>>If you've managed to stay with my witterings this far - then thanks -
>>and thanks for any comments or help you feel able to give.
>>
>>All the best,
>>Pete
>
>
I'm guessing that if I was to go AMD 64, I'd go for the same motherboard
in the av8 configuration. Is the 64 3500+ the one to go for?

Also, sorry to go on about this, but will I get a basic heatsink with
the processor?

Many thanks to all who replied to this thread. Your comments were VERY
much appreciated.

All the best,
Pete
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 14, 2004 9:29:41 PM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

Al Smith wrote:
>> Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of
>> thing for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to
>> proffer an opinion about the following parts list, before I end up
>> with a load of junk that doesn't work together! :) 
>>
>> Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
>> Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB)
>> with HT Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
>> Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
>> Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
>> Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
>> Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
>> DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
>> DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
>> Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust
>> 1600x1200 Black
>> RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
>> Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
>>
>> I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too
>> mad on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming
>> and some coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking
>> at all day!)
>
>
> Sounds like a Cadillac among computers to me. Go for it. Unless you
> think you might want to do 64-bit computing in another year or so, when
> the Windows 64 version finally comes out and there are 64-bit programs
> being written. Also, if you've got the desk space (and your floorboards
> can stand the weight), a good 21" CRT monitor will be brighter and more
> versatile when it comes to changing resolutions and gaming.
Thanks for the response, Al. Any suggestions as to a good 21" CRT?
Failing that, thanks for the thumbs up to the spec!

Pete
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 14, 2004 9:46:20 PM

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Chris wrote:
> "Peter Ford" <tarsnip@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:o 4obd.2$wy5.0@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>
>>Hi Guys,
>>
>>Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of thing
>>for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to proffer an
>>opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with a load of
>>junk that doesn't work together! :) 
>>
>>Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
>>Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB) with HT
>>Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
>>Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
>>Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
>>Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
>>Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
>>DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
>>DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
>>Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust 1600x1200
>>Black
>>RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
>>Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
>>
>>I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad
>>on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming and some
>>coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)
>>
>>If I purchase the above from one of the major UK "parts" suppliers, such
>>as ebuyer or the like, is there anything else I'm going to need to get?
>>I'm thinking along the lines of power leads, SATA connector leads, DVI
>>cable, and especially if I'm going to need any additional cooling or
>>thermal paste type stuff for the processor.
>>
>>If you've managed to stay with my witterings this far - then thanks - and
>>thanks for any comments or help you feel able to give.
>>
>>All the best,
>>Pete
>
>
> Hi, don't forget to make sure the PSU has 24 pin ATX connector not the old
> 20 pin or you will be short on power.
> Chris
> Technical director CKCCOMPUSCRIPT
> Apple Computers, Intel, Roland audio, ATI, Microsoft, Sun Solaris, Cisco and
> Silicone Graphics.
> Wholesale distributor and specialist audio visual computers and servers
> FREE SUPPORT @,
> http://www.ckccomp.plus.com/site/page.HTM
> ckccomp25@hotmail.com
>
>
Thanks Chirs,

Overlooked this - I'll go for this one I reckon...

Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 560W PSU Retail Boxed

.... as it has a 20 pin to 24 pin converter.

Thanks,
Pete
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 14, 2004 10:59:16 PM

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Neil Watson wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> That mobo supports both raid 0 and 1. So buy yourself another one of the WD
> Raptors and Raid 0 them. You will get a significant perfomance increase from
> the speed of your drives.
> Cheers
> Neil
>
>
> "Peter Ford" <tarsnip@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:o 4obd.2$wy5.0@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>
>>Hi Guys,
>>
>>Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of
>>thing for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to
>>proffer an opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with
>>a load of junk that doesn't work together! :) 
>>
>>Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
>>Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB) with HT
>>Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
>>Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
>>Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
>>Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
>>Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
>>DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
>>DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
>>Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust
>>1600x1200 Black
>>RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
>>Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
>>
>>I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad
>>on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming and some
>>coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)
>>
>>If I purchase the above from one of the major UK "parts" suppliers, such
>>as ebuyer or the like, is there anything else I'm going to need to get?
>> I'm thinking along the lines of power leads, SATA connector leads, DVI
>>cable, and especially if I'm going to need any additional cooling or
>>thermal paste type stuff for the processor.
>>
>>If you've managed to stay with my witterings this far - then thanks -
>>and thanks for any comments or help you feel able to give.
>>
>>All the best,
>>Pete
>
>
>
Thanks for the response, Neil. I like the idea of RAID'ing the drives -
but with my current budget it's gonna be a little too OTT. The plan is
just to keep the 10,000 rpm WD HDD for booting from and to use the
Maxtor one for storage.

Cheers anyway,
Pete
October 15, 2004 1:30:05 AM

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"Peter Ford" <tarsnip@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4Eybd.94$wy5.40@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> JK wrote:
>>
>> Peter Ford wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Guys,
>>>
>>>Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of
>>>thing for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to
>>>proffer an opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with
>>>a load of junk that doesn't work together! :) 
>>>
>>>Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
>>>Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB)
>>>with HT
>>
>>
>> Why not an Athlon 64 processor instead? Many who buy a 32 bit processor
>> in '04 will in '05 regret that decision when great 64 bit software
>> becomes
>> available.
>>
>>
>>>Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
>>>Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
>>>Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
>>>Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
>>>Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
>>>DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
>>>DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
>>>Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust
>>>1600x1200 Black
>>>RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
>>>Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
>>>
>>>I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad
>>>on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming
>>
>>
>> In Doom 3, a $150 Athlon 64 3000+ socket 754 beats an $815 Pentium 4
>> 3.2 ghz EE.
>>
>> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...
>>
>> It is also a great performer overall.
>>
>> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...
>>
>> For around the price of a P4 550, one can get an Athlon 64 3500+.
>>
>> http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.5376...
>>
>>
>>>and some
>>>coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)
>>>
>>>If I purchase the above from one of the major UK "parts" suppliers, such
>>>as ebuyer or the like, is there anything else I'm going to need to get?
>>> I'm thinking along the lines of power leads, SATA connector leads, DVI
>>>cable, and especially if I'm going to need any additional cooling or
>>>thermal paste type stuff for the processor.
>>>
>>>If you've managed to stay with my witterings this far - then thanks -
>>>and thanks for any comments or help you feel able to give.
>>>
>>>All the best,
>>>Pete
>>
>>
> I'm guessing that if I was to go AMD 64, I'd go for the same motherboard
> in the av8 configuration. Is the 64 3500+ the one to go for?
>
> Also, sorry to go on about this, but will I get a basic heatsink with the
> processor?
>
> Many thanks to all who replied to this thread. Your comments were VERY
> much appreciated.
>
> All the best,
> Pete
Yes you will get a heat sink and fan with this and they are fine, we have
built around 500 units this week around the new 775 CPU and have very good
first time results with only one board failure. by the way don't let any
body tell you different Microsoft them selves announced that no 64 bit OS
will be available before November 2006 and that was only a month ago, so by
the time that gets here the Athlon 64 you by now according to the AMD road
map will be 200% slower than chips that will be available when you finally
can get a 64 bit OS.
Chris
Technical director CKCCOMPUSCRIPT
Apple Computers, Intel, Roland audio, ATI, Microsoft, Sun Solaris, Cisco and
Silicone Graphics.
Wholesale distributor and specialist audio visual computers and servers
FREE SUPPORT @,
http://www.ckccomp.plus.com/site/page.HTM
ckccomp25@hotmail.com
October 15, 2004 1:30:06 AM

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Chris wrote:

> "Peter Ford" <tarsnip@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4Eybd.94$wy5.40@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>
>>JK wrote:
>>
>>>Peter Ford wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Guys,
>>>>
>>>>Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of
>>>>thing for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to
>>>>proffer an opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with
>>>>a load of junk that doesn't work together! :) 
>>>>
>>>>Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
>>>>Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB)
>>>>with HT
>>>
>>>
>>>Why not an Athlon 64 processor instead? Many who buy a 32 bit processor
>>>in '04 will in '05 regret that decision when great 64 bit software
>>>becomes
>>>available.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
>>>>Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
>>>>Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
>>>>Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
>>>>Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
>>>>DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
>>>>DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
>>>>Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust
>>>>1600x1200 Black
>>>>RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
>>>>Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
>>>>
>>>>I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad
>>>>on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming
>>>
>>>
>>>In Doom 3, a $150 Athlon 64 3000+ socket 754 beats an $815 Pentium 4
>>>3.2 ghz EE.
>>>
>>>http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...
>>>
>>>It is also a great performer overall.
>>>
>>>http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...
>>>
>>>For around the price of a P4 550, one can get an Athlon 64 3500+.
>>>
>>>http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.5376...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>and some
>>>>coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)
>>>>
>>>>If I purchase the above from one of the major UK "parts" suppliers, such
>>>>as ebuyer or the like, is there anything else I'm going to need to get?
>>>> I'm thinking along the lines of power leads, SATA connector leads, DVI
>>>>cable, and especially if I'm going to need any additional cooling or
>>>>thermal paste type stuff for the processor.
>>>>
>>>>If you've managed to stay with my witterings this far - then thanks -
>>>>and thanks for any comments or help you feel able to give.
>>>>
>>>>All the best,
>>>>Pete
>>>
>>>
>>I'm guessing that if I was to go AMD 64, I'd go for the same motherboard
>>in the av8 configuration. Is the 64 3500+ the one to go for?
>>
>>Also, sorry to go on about this, but will I get a basic heatsink with the
>>processor?
>>
>>Many thanks to all who replied to this thread. Your comments were VERY
>>much appreciated.
>>
>>All the best,
>>Pete
>
> Yes you will get a heat sink and fan with this and they are fine, we have
> built around 500 units this week around the new 775 CPU and have very good
> first time results with only one board failure. by the way don't let any
> body tell you different Microsoft them selves announced that no 64 bit OS
> will be available before November 2006 and that was only a month ago, so by
> the time that gets here the Athlon 64 you by now according to the AMD road
> map will be 200% slower than chips that will be available when you finally
> can get a 64 bit OS.
> Chris
> Technical director CKCCOMPUSCRIPT
> Apple Computers, Intel, Roland audio, ATI, Microsoft, Sun Solaris, Cisco and
> Silicone Graphics.
> Wholesale distributor and specialist audio visual computers and servers
> FREE SUPPORT @,
> http://www.ckccomp.plus.com/site/page.HTM
> ckccomp25@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
I think you should go back and read what Microsoft said they would
release in November 2006. Longhorn is the OS they referred to, not
Windows XP Pro x64 or Windows Server 2003 x64. Microsoft is stating 1st
half 2005 for WinXP Pro x64 and Win2003 Server x64. I believe there
have been references to Longhorn that implied it would be developed as a
64-bit OS, but that may have been speculation.
October 15, 2004 1:30:06 AM

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Chris wrote:

> "Peter Ford" <tarsnip@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4Eybd.94$wy5.40@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> > JK wrote:
> >>
> >> Peter Ford wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi Guys,
> >>>
> >>>Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of
> >>>thing for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to
> >>>proffer an opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with
> >>>a load of junk that doesn't work together! :) 
> >>>
> >>>Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
> >>>Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB)
> >>>with HT
> >>
> >>
> >> Why not an Athlon 64 processor instead? Many who buy a 32 bit processor
> >> in '04 will in '05 regret that decision when great 64 bit software
> >> becomes
> >> available.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
> >>>Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
> >>>Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
> >>>Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
> >>>Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
> >>>DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> >>>DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> >>>Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust
> >>>1600x1200 Black
> >>>RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
> >>>Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
> >>>
> >>>I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad
> >>>on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming
> >>
> >>
> >> In Doom 3, a $150 Athlon 64 3000+ socket 754 beats an $815 Pentium 4
> >> 3.2 ghz EE.
> >>
> >> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...
> >>
> >> It is also a great performer overall.
> >>
> >> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...
> >>
> >> For around the price of a P4 550, one can get an Athlon 64 3500+.
> >>
> >> http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.5376...
> >>
> >>
> >>>and some
> >>>coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)
> >>>
> >>>If I purchase the above from one of the major UK "parts" suppliers, such
> >>>as ebuyer or the like, is there anything else I'm going to need to get?
> >>> I'm thinking along the lines of power leads, SATA connector leads, DVI
> >>>cable, and especially if I'm going to need any additional cooling or
> >>>thermal paste type stuff for the processor.
> >>>
> >>>If you've managed to stay with my witterings this far - then thanks -
> >>>and thanks for any comments or help you feel able to give.
> >>>
> >>>All the best,
> >>>Pete
> >>
> >>
> > I'm guessing that if I was to go AMD 64, I'd go for the same motherboard
> > in the av8 configuration. Is the 64 3500+ the one to go for?
> >
> > Also, sorry to go on about this, but will I get a basic heatsink with the
> > processor?
> >
> > Many thanks to all who replied to this thread. Your comments were VERY
> > much appreciated.
> >
> > All the best,
> > Pete
> Yes you will get a heat sink and fan with this and they are fine, we have
> built around 500 units this week around the new 775 CPU and have very good
> first time results with only one board failure. by the way don't let any
> body tell you different Microsoft them selves announced that no 64 bit OS
> will be available before November 2006

That is not true. The beta has been available for quite a while.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/upg...

The release is scheduled for the first half of 2005.

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117119,00.asp

The Athlon 64 chips are fantastic performers running 32 bit software,
and are basically priced based on their 32 bit performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...

> and that was only a month ago, so by
> the time that gets here the Athlon 64 you by now according to the AMD road
> map will be 200% slower than chips that will be available when you finally
> can get a 64 bit OS.

>
> Chris
> Technical director CKCCOMPUSCRIPT
> Apple Computers, Intel, Roland audio, ATI, Microsoft, Sun Solaris, Cisco and
> Silicone Graphics.
> Wholesale distributor and specialist audio visual computers and servers
> FREE SUPPORT @,
> http://www.ckccomp.plus.com/site/page.HTM
> ckccomp25@hotmail.com
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 15, 2004 3:12:11 AM

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With that hardware load, I might recommend switching the power supply unit
to an Antec 550 Watt True Power unit.

--
DaveW



"Peter Ford" <tarsnip@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:o 4obd.2$wy5.0@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> Hi Guys,
>
> Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of thing
> for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to proffer an
> opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with a load of
> junk that doesn't work together! :) 
>
> Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
> Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB) with HT
> Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
> Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
> Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
> Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
> Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
> DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust 1600x1200
> Black
> RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
> Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
>
> I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad
> on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming and some
> coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)
>
> If I purchase the above from one of the major UK "parts" suppliers, such
> as ebuyer or the like, is there anything else I'm going to need to get?
> I'm thinking along the lines of power leads, SATA connector leads, DVI
> cable, and especially if I'm going to need any additional cooling or
> thermal paste type stuff for the processor.
>
> If you've managed to stay with my witterings this far - then thanks - and
> thanks for any comments or help you feel able to give.
>
> All the best,
> Pete
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 15, 2004 3:20:36 AM

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> I'm guessing that if I was to go AMD 64, I'd go for the same motherboard in the av8 configuration. Is the 64 3500+ the one to go for?
>
> Also, sorry to go on about this, but will I get a basic heatsink with the processor?
>
> Many thanks to all who replied to this thread. Your comments were VERY much appreciated.

My 3200+ came with its own heatsink and fan, retail, so I'm
assuming the 3500+ does, also. I found the fan noisy at high
speeds. It's fine at regular speeds.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 15, 2004 3:22:00 AM

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> Thanks for the response, Al. Any suggestions as to a good 21" CRT? Failing that, thanks for the thumbs up to the spec!

If you can stand the little wires across the screen, one with a
Trinitron tube will likely give you the best color and definition.
My brother tells me you don't even see the wires after a while.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 15, 2004 11:21:02 AM

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Peter Ford wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Just about to get parts for a new PC and I haven't done this sort of
> thing for a good number of years. I wondered if anyone would care to
> proffer an opinion about the following parts list, before I end up with
> a load of junk that doesn't work together! :) 
>
> Motherboard Abit AA8 3rd Eye
> Processor Intel Pentium 4 550 "LGA775 Prescott" 3.4GHz (800FSB) with
> HT Technology - Retail (CP-059-IN)
> Case Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Super Tower Aluminium w/window
> Power Supply Thermaltake Xaser Silent Purepower 480W PSU Silver
> Hard Drive 1 Western Digital Raptor 10000RPM 74GB 8MB SATA OEM
> Hard Drive 2 Maxtor DiamondMAX 10 300GB SATA 16MB Cache
> DVD RW 1 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> DVD RW 2 Asus DRW-1604P 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter OEM
> Monitor Viewsonic VP201B 20.1ins TFT Ana/DVI Pivot-Height Adjust
> 1600x1200 Black
> RAM Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-5400 Pro TwinX (2x512MB) (MY-057-CS)
> Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon X800 XT 256Mb GDDR3 PCI Express
>
> I'm working to a budget of around 2,000 UK Pounds, so I can't go too mad
> on the spec, but it's basically a PC needed for a bit of gaming and some
> coding too (hence the monitor - that I'll need to be looking at all day!)
>
> If I purchase the above from one of the major UK "parts" suppliers, such
> as ebuyer or the like, is there anything else I'm going to need to get?
> I'm thinking along the lines of power leads, SATA connector leads, DVI
> cable, and especially if I'm going to need any additional cooling or
> thermal paste type stuff for the processor.
>
> If you've managed to stay with my witterings this far - then thanks -
> and thanks for any comments or help you feel able to give.
>
> All the best,
> Pete
Thanks for all your help - I placed my order this morning! Ended up
going for a more beefy psu, stuck with the p4 though and the monitor as
I haven't got the desk space for a non-tft panel.

Cheers, and many thanks.
Pete
October 15, 2004 1:48:31 PM

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Peter Ford <tarsnip@gmail.com> wrote in news:4Eybd.94$wy5.40@newsfe2-
gui.ntli.net:

> Also, sorry to go on about this, but will I get a basic heatsink with
> the processor?
>

If you get the 'Retail Box' version you will get a heat sink and fan with
the CPU. If you get the 'OEM' version you will NOT get a heat sink and fan.
The standard heat sink and fan should do the job well enough so get the
'Retail' version, unless you plan to do some overclocking. Even then the
'Retail' heat sink and fan can usually handle some mild overclocking. You
also get a manufacturers warrantee with the 'Retail' versions. The 'OEM'
version will not be warranteed by the manufacturer.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 15, 2004 3:23:57 PM

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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:48:31 GMT, JS <JS@huh.wha> wrote:

>Peter Ford <tarsnip@gmail.com> wrote in news:4Eybd.94$wy5.40@newsfe2-
>gui.ntli.net:
>
>> Also, sorry to go on about this, but will I get a basic heatsink with
>> the processor?
>>
>
>If you get the 'Retail Box' version you will get a heat sink and fan with
>the CPU. If you get the 'OEM' version you will NOT get a heat sink and fan.
>The standard heat sink and fan should do the job well enough so get the
>'Retail' version, unless you plan to do some overclocking

<snip>

.... or want quieter operation, or more hostile environment
(higher ambient temp or dust/dirt operation).
!