Build computer around Windows 98SE

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Can someone advise me on how & what components i need to buy in order to
build a good business computer using Win-98se OS?
I want a fast, reliable machine to replace our aging 1999 Dell-Dimension
PC using a Pen-||| 500_hertz CPU.

The main reason i need to stick with Win_98 OS is, all our specialized
construction oriented & accounting programs were designed to work on
Win_98Se system & would cost hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars to
replace with XP friendly versions.

A big concern, i don't want to overbuy the hardware!
I heard there are some limits to Win_98SE's ability to handle large
amounts of ram & large capacity hard drives.
Is this true?
are there any work-around methods?
if so where.

I want to get a new computer tower case & install within it, all new,
upgraded hardware components.
Examples:
A new case & power supply.
new motherboard, ram sticks, video card, sound card, large hard drive,
CD/DVD drive, DVD/CDRW drive, 3 1/2" floppy, & fast, cool, & reliable
(pentium 3 or 4) CPU

I need to know what hardware brand names & model numbers to buy & any
other info like that (or tutorials) related to this upgrade build.

If this is not the proper newsgroup to ask, could you point me in the
right direction. LOL
Links & detailed information would be a great help. :-)


S_H
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  1. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    In article <16702-418B5428-15@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net>, Semi Head
    says...
    > Can someone advise me on how & what components i need to buy in order to
    > build a good business computer using Win-98se OS?
    > I want a fast, reliable machine to replace our aging 1999 Dell-Dimension
    > PC using a Pen-||| 500_hertz CPU.
    >
    > The main reason i need to stick with Win_98 OS is, all our specialized
    > construction oriented & accounting programs were designed to work on
    > Win_98Se system & would cost hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars to
    > replace with XP friendly versions.
    >
    > A big concern, i don't want to overbuy the hardware!
    > I heard there are some limits to Win_98SE's ability to handle large
    > amounts of ram & large capacity hard drives.
    > Is this true?
    > are there any work-around methods?
    > if so where.
    >
    > I want to get a new computer tower case & install within it, all new,
    > upgraded hardware components.
    > Examples:
    > A new case & power supply.
    > new motherboard, ram sticks, video card, sound card, large hard drive,
    > CD/DVD drive, DVD/CDRW drive, 3 1/2" floppy, & fast, cool, & reliable
    > (pentium 3 or 4) CPU
    >
    > I need to know what hardware brand names & model numbers to buy & any
    > other info like that (or tutorials) related to this upgrade build.
    >
    Errr, WHY?

    Its a business computer. Leave it as it is, stick some more RAM in and
    a faster HDD.

    As for the applications not working, are you aware that Windows XP can
    run programs in compatibility mode where it uses "shims" to accurately
    emulate Win9x including bugs that programmers took advantage of?


    --
    Conor

    Opinions personal, facts suspect.
  2. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    >Originally, Semi Head says...
    >
    Can someone advise me on how & what components i need to buy in order to
    build a good business computer using Win-98se OS?
    I want a fast, reliable machine to replace our aging 1999 Dell-Dimension
    PC using a Pen-||| 500_hertz CPU.
    The main reason i need to stick with Win_98 OS is, all our specialized
    construction oriented & accounting programs were designed to work on
    Win_98Se system & would cost hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars to
    replace with XP friendly versions.
    A big concern, i don't want to overbuy the hardware!
    I heard there are some limits to Win_98SE's ability to handle large
    amounts of ram & large capacity hard drives.
    Is this true?
    are there any work-around methods?
    If so where.
    I want to get a new computer tower case & install within it, all new,
    upgraded hardware components.
    Examples:
    A new case & power supply.
    new motherboard, ram sticks, video card, sound card, large hard drive,
    CD/DVD drive, DVD/CDRW drive, 3 1/2" floppy, & fast, cool, & reliable
    (pentium 3 or 4) CPU I need to know what hardware brand names & model
    numbers to buy & any other info like that (or tutorials) related to this
    upgrade build.
    ----------------------------------------------------

    >Response from:
    >conor.turton@gmail.com (Conor)
    >
    Errr, WHY?
    Its a business computer. Leave it as it is, stick some more RAM in and a
    faster HDD.
    As for the applications not working, are you aware that Windows XP can
    run programs in compatibility mode where it
    uses "shims" to accurately emulate Win9x including bugs that programmers
    took advantage of?

    Conor

    ----------------------------------------------------
    Because we need a second computer .
    We have just opened another office location which is 900 miles away from
    the other. Also we think the computer is getting rather old it's been
    running 24/7 since '99 (minus a few Win OS software & commercial program
    related break-downs).

    >Conor said:
    >

    >Windows XP can run programs in
    >compatibility mode where it uses
    >"shims" to accurately emulate Win9x
    >including bugs that programmers took
    >advantage of?
    >

    I never heard of that!
    Can you supply more info & links to that subject matter, please.

    S_H
  3. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    In article <16703-418B6FFC-8@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net>, Semi Head
    says...

    > Errr, WHY?
    > Its a business computer. Leave it as it is, stick some more RAM in and a
    > faster HDD.
    > As for the applications not working, are you aware that Windows XP can
    > run programs in compatibility mode where it
    > uses "shims" to accurately emulate Win9x including bugs that programmers
    > took advantage of?
    >
    > Conor
    >
    > ----------------------------------------------------
    > Because we need a second computer .
    > We have just opened another office location which is 900 miles away from
    > the other. Also we think the computer is getting rather old it's been
    > running 24/7 since '99 (minus a few Win OS software & commercial program
    > related break-downs).
    >
    > >Conor said:
    > >
    >
    > >Windows XP can run programs in
    > >compatibility mode where it uses
    > >"shims" to accurately emulate Win9x
    > >including bugs that programmers took
    > >advantage of?
    > >
    >
    > I never heard of that!
    > Can you supply more info & links to that subject matter, please.
    >
    Ah. No problem then. For ease you might as well just get an off the
    shelf Dell model.

    Here you go:
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/appco
    mpat.mspx

    --
    Conor

    Opinions personal, facts suspect.
  4. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    Semi Head:

    > I need to know what hardware brand names & model numbers to buy & any
    > other info like that (or tutorials) related to this upgrade build.

    your wish, parts ...
    http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/system-09-21-2004.ars/2

    your wish, tutorial ...
    http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/
    http://www.motherboards.org/articlesd/how-to-guides/924_1.html


    If I were you I would be tempted to buy a Dell, install your software to
    test it on XP. If that doesn't work, reformat the drive and reinstall your
    software. Just pick your budget:
    http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/desktops

    --
    Mac Cool
  5. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    Win 98 SE can NOT use more than 512 MB of RAM. If you try to anyway, the
    computer will become unstable.

    --
    DaveW


    "Semi Head" <semi_head@webtv.net> wrote in message
    news:16702-418B5428-15@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...
    > Can someone advise me on how & what components i need to buy in order to
    > build a good business computer using Win-98se OS?
    > I want a fast, reliable machine to replace our aging 1999 Dell-Dimension
    > PC using a Pen-||| 500_hertz CPU.
    >
    > The main reason i need to stick with Win_98 OS is, all our specialized
    > construction oriented & accounting programs were designed to work on
    > Win_98Se system & would cost hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars to
    > replace with XP friendly versions.
    >
    > A big concern, i don't want to overbuy the hardware!
    > I heard there are some limits to Win_98SE's ability to handle large
    > amounts of ram & large capacity hard drives.
    > Is this true?
    > are there any work-around methods?
    > if so where.
    >
    > I want to get a new computer tower case & install within it, all new,
    > upgraded hardware components.
    > Examples:
    > A new case & power supply.
    > new motherboard, ram sticks, video card, sound card, large hard drive,
    > CD/DVD drive, DVD/CDRW drive, 3 1/2" floppy, & fast, cool, & reliable
    > (pentium 3 or 4) CPU
    >
    > I need to know what hardware brand names & model numbers to buy & any
    > other info like that (or tutorials) related to this upgrade build.
    >
    > If this is not the proper newsgroup to ask, could you point me in the
    > right direction. LOL
    > Links & detailed information would be a great help. :-)
    >
    >
    > S_H
    >
  6. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 00:18:53 GMT, "DaveW" <none@zero.org>
    wrote:

    >Win 98 SE can NOT use more than 512 MB of RAM. If you try to anyway, the
    >computer will become unstable.


    Congrats, wrong again.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=Win98SE+vcache+512MB
  7. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    In article <NLUid.574033$8_6.255668@attbi_s04>, DaveW says...
    > Win 98 SE can NOT use more than 512 MB of RAM. If you try to anyway, the
    > computer will become unstable.
    >
    >
    Why the hell do people keep repeating this absolute rubbish?


    --
    Conor

    Opinions personal, facts suspect.
  8. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    Conor:

    > In article <NLUid.574033$8_6.255668@attbi_s04>, DaveW says...
    >> Win 98 SE can NOT use more than 512 MB of RAM. If you try to
    >> anyway, the computer will become unstable.

    > Why the hell do people keep repeating this absolute rubbish?

    For the same reason they keep recommending RAID 0 on home computers?
    --
    Mac Cool
  9. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    Thank you! ... Mac Cool, Conor, & Kony!
    The links & info that you provided will be (are) a great help.
    For the other folks, who responded, thank you (as well) for the
    comments, advise & time.

    S_H
  10. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    In article <NLUid.574033$8_6.255668@attbi_s04>, "DaveW" <none@zero.org>
    wrote:

    > Win 98 SE can NOT use more than 512 MB of RAM. If you try to anyway, the
    > computer will become unstable.

    Im running a P4 @2.4mhz with win98se and a gig of ram and its stable as
    a rock 12-15 hours a day..... is this just a quirk ??

    dnw

    --
    ---
    don ward <dward7@earthlink.net>
    ward
  11. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:25:38 GMT, don ward
    <dward7@earthlink.net> wrote:

    >In article <NLUid.574033$8_6.255668@attbi_s04>, "DaveW" <none@zero.org>
    >wrote:
    >
    >> Win 98 SE can NOT use more than 512 MB of RAM. If you try to anyway, the
    >> computer will become unstable.
    >
    >Im running a P4 @2.4mhz with win98se and a gig of ram and its stable as
    >a rock 12-15 hours a day..... is this just a quirk ??
    >
    >dnw


    Naw, anything a certain someone writes relating to "must",
    "can't", "have to", "Not", etc, is an indicator that above
    all, he wants you to use WinXP, and a clean install every
    time the wind changes direction regardless of whether you
    need it or not, you "MUST" do it regardless, LOL.

    The correct answer is that Win98SE, as an unaltered
    installation, handles up to 512MB, including AGP video
    memory. So a system with AGP card and 512MB memory needs
    the vcache change in system.ini

    Win98SE should then be fine up to at least 1GB. At that
    point there is ambiguity, some systems may work fine up to
    1.5GB and others limited to 1GB. Either way the fix is
    either to remove memory exceeding that amount, or for a
    dual-boot system where it would be desirable to have more
    memory available to another OS, Win98SE's memory use can be
    limited to 1GB regardless of how much memory is installed
    with another system.ini entry (note that "[386Enh]" already
    exists in system.ini file, the entry under it is appended to
    that location in system.ini file):


    [386Enh]

    MaxPhysPage=40000
  12. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    Win98SE, as an unaltered
    > installation, handles up to 512MB, including AGP video
    > memory. So a system with AGP card and 512MB memory needs
    > the vcache change in system.ini

    I guess mine is "unaltered" i just assembled the computer with 1 gig of
    ram did a new install of win 98se and it showed the full ram.
    Just lucky or what ..

    dnw

    --
    ---
    don ward <dward7@earthlink.net>
    ward
  13. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    don ward wrote:

    > Win98SE, as an unaltered
    >
    >>installation, handles up to 512MB, including AGP video
    >>memory. So a system with AGP card and 512MB memory needs
    >>the vcache change in system.ini
    >
    >
    > I guess mine is "unaltered" i just assembled the computer with 1 gig of
    > ram did a new install of win 98se and it showed the full ram.
    > Just lucky or what ..
    >
    > dnw
    >

    The problem isn't whether it 'shows' the RAM. It always does that. The
    issue is whether vcache operates properly or causes problems under certain
    circumstances when RAM is over 512 Meg in size.
  14. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

    Semi Head wrote:
    > Can someone advise me on how & what components i need to buy in order to
    > build a good business computer using Win-98se OS?
    > I want a fast, reliable machine to replace our aging 1999 Dell-Dimension
    > PC using a Pen-||| 500_hertz CPU.
    >
    > The main reason i need to stick with Win_98 OS is, all our specialized
    > construction oriented & accounting programs were designed to work on
    > Win_98Se system & would cost hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars to
    > replace with XP friendly versions.
    >
    > A big concern, i don't want to overbuy the hardware!
    > I heard there are some limits to Win_98SE's ability to handle large
    > amounts of ram & large capacity hard drives.
    > Is this true?
    > are there any work-around methods?
    > if so where.
    >
    > I want to get a new computer tower case & install within it, all new,
    > upgraded hardware components.
    > Examples:
    > A new case & power supply.
    > new motherboard, ram sticks, video card, sound card, large hard drive,
    > CD/DVD drive, DVD/CDRW drive, 3 1/2" floppy, & fast, cool, & reliable
    > (pentium 3 or 4) CPU
    >
    > I need to know what hardware brand names & model numbers to buy & any
    > other info like that (or tutorials) related to this upgrade build.
    >
    > If this is not the proper newsgroup to ask, could you point me in the
    > right direction. LOL
    > Links & detailed information would be a great help. :-)
    >
    >
    > S_H
    >
    Windows 98 SE is a pretty good OS. It was designed to work with up to
    384 Megs of RAM. Usually it will run fine with 512 megs of RAM. There
    is probably a workaround you can do to make it be able to run will with
    more RAM, but I dont think it is really designed to take advantage of
    much more than 384 Megs.

    If you can find a nice Used 1.2 Gig Tulatin Core Celeron or PIII that
    will probably run it just fine. I have never tried Win98 with a P4. I
    am guessing it will be just fine. I have used with a 1.2 Gig Athlon and
    it ran ok with that too. Some software might not like a faster
    processor. Most of the problems I have seen are programs written for
    windows 95 or DOS in 16 bit. Some programs do run better on Intel
    processor if that is what they were written on.
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