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Anonymous
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November 5, 2004 7:21:28 AM

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Can someone advise me on how & what components i need to buy in order to
build a good business computer using Win-98se OS?
I want a fast, reliable machine to replace our aging 1999 Dell-Dimension
PC using a Pen-||| 500_hertz CPU.

The main reason i need to stick with Win_98 OS is, all our specialized
construction oriented & accounting programs were designed to work on
Win_98Se system & would cost hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars to
replace with XP friendly versions.

A big concern, i don't want to overbuy the hardware!
I heard there are some limits to Win_98SE's ability to handle large
amounts of ram & large capacity hard drives.
Is this true?
are there any work-around methods?
if so where.

I want to get a new computer tower case & install within it, all new,
upgraded hardware components.
Examples:
A new case & power supply.
new motherboard, ram sticks, video card, sound card, large hard drive,
CD/DVD drive, DVD/CDRW drive, 3 1/2" floppy, & fast, cool, & reliable
(pentium 3 or 4) CPU

I need to know what hardware brand names & model numbers to buy & any
other info like that (or tutorials) related to this upgrade build.

If this is not the proper newsgroup to ask, could you point me in the
right direction. LOL
Links & detailed information would be a great help. :-)


S_H

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Anonymous
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November 5, 2004 1:39:35 PM

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In article <16702-418B5428-15@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net>, Semi Head
says...
> Can someone advise me on how & what components i need to buy in order to
> build a good business computer using Win-98se OS?
> I want a fast, reliable machine to replace our aging 1999 Dell-Dimension
> PC using a Pen-||| 500_hertz CPU.
>
> The main reason i need to stick with Win_98 OS is, all our specialized
> construction oriented & accounting programs were designed to work on
> Win_98Se system & would cost hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars to
> replace with XP friendly versions.
>
> A big concern, i don't want to overbuy the hardware!
> I heard there are some limits to Win_98SE's ability to handle large
> amounts of ram & large capacity hard drives.
> Is this true?
> are there any work-around methods?
> if so where.
>
> I want to get a new computer tower case & install within it, all new,
> upgraded hardware components.
> Examples:
> A new case & power supply.
> new motherboard, ram sticks, video card, sound card, large hard drive,
> CD/DVD drive, DVD/CDRW drive, 3 1/2" floppy, & fast, cool, & reliable
> (pentium 3 or 4) CPU
>
> I need to know what hardware brand names & model numbers to buy & any
> other info like that (or tutorials) related to this upgrade build.
>
Errr, WHY?

Its a business computer. Leave it as it is, stick some more RAM in and
a faster HDD.

As for the applications not working, are you aware that Windows XP can
run programs in compatibility mode where it uses "shims" to accurately
emulate Win9x including bugs that programmers took advantage of?



--
Conor

Opinions personal, facts suspect.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 5, 2004 1:39:36 PM

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>Originally, Semi Head says...
>
Can someone advise me on how & what components i need to buy in order to
build a good business computer using Win-98se OS?
I want a fast, reliable machine to replace our aging 1999 Dell-Dimension
PC using a Pen-||| 500_hertz CPU.
The main reason i need to stick with Win_98 OS is, all our specialized
construction oriented & accounting programs were designed to work on
Win_98Se system & would cost hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars to
replace with XP friendly versions.
A big concern, i don't want to overbuy the hardware!
I heard there are some limits to Win_98SE's ability to handle large
amounts of ram & large capacity hard drives.
Is this true?
are there any work-around methods?
If so where.
I want to get a new computer tower case & install within it, all new,
upgraded hardware components.
Examples:
A new case & power supply.
new motherboard, ram sticks, video card, sound card, large hard drive,
CD/DVD drive, DVD/CDRW drive, 3 1/2" floppy, & fast, cool, & reliable
(pentium 3 or 4) CPU I need to know what hardware brand names & model
numbers to buy & any other info like that (or tutorials) related to this
upgrade build.
----------------------------------------------------

>Response from:
>conor.turton@gmail.com (Conor)
>
Errr, WHY?
Its a business computer. Leave it as it is, stick some more RAM in and a
faster HDD.
As for the applications not working, are you aware that Windows XP can
run programs in compatibility mode where it
uses "shims" to accurately emulate Win9x including bugs that programmers
took advantage of?

Conor

----------------------------------------------------
Because we need a second computer .
We have just opened another office location which is 900 miles away from
the other. Also we think the computer is getting rather old it's been
running 24/7 since '99 (minus a few Win OS software & commercial program
related break-downs).

>Conor said:
>

>Windows XP can run programs in
>compatibility mode where it uses
>"shims" to accurately emulate Win9x
>including bugs that programmers took
>advantage of?
>

I never heard of that!
Can you supply more info & links to that subject matter, please.

S_H
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Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 5, 2004 4:55:31 PM

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In article <16703-418B6FFC-8@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net>, Semi Head
says...

> Errr, WHY?
> Its a business computer. Leave it as it is, stick some more RAM in and a
> faster HDD.
> As for the applications not working, are you aware that Windows XP can
> run programs in compatibility mode where it
> uses "shims" to accurately emulate Win9x including bugs that programmers
> took advantage of?
>
> Conor
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Because we need a second computer .
> We have just opened another office location which is 900 miles away from
> the other. Also we think the computer is getting rather old it's been
> running 24/7 since '99 (minus a few Win OS software & commercial program
> related break-downs).
>
> >Conor said:
> >
>
> >Windows XP can run programs in
> >compatibility mode where it uses
> >"shims" to accurately emulate Win9x
> >including bugs that programmers took
> >advantage of?
> >
>
> I never heard of that!
> Can you supply more info & links to that subject matter, please.
>
Ah. No problem then. For ease you might as well just get an off the
shelf Dell model.

Here you go:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport...
mpat.mspx

--
Conor

Opinions personal, facts suspect.
Anonymous
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November 5, 2004 6:53:59 PM

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Semi Head:

> I need to know what hardware brand names & model numbers to buy & any
> other info like that (or tutorials) related to this upgrade build.

your wish, parts ...
http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/system-09-21-2004.a...

your wish, tutorial ...
http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/
http://www.motherboards.org/articlesd/how-to-guides/924...


If I were you I would be tempted to buy a Dell, install your software to
test it on XP. If that doesn't work, reformat the drive and reinstall your
software. Just pick your budget:
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/...

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Mac Cool
Anonymous
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November 6, 2004 3:18:53 AM

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Win 98 SE can NOT use more than 512 MB of RAM. If you try to anyway, the
computer will become unstable.

--
DaveW



"Semi Head" <semi_head@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16702-418B5428-15@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...
> Can someone advise me on how & what components i need to buy in order to
> build a good business computer using Win-98se OS?
> I want a fast, reliable machine to replace our aging 1999 Dell-Dimension
> PC using a Pen-||| 500_hertz CPU.
>
> The main reason i need to stick with Win_98 OS is, all our specialized
> construction oriented & accounting programs were designed to work on
> Win_98Se system & would cost hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars to
> replace with XP friendly versions.
>
> A big concern, i don't want to overbuy the hardware!
> I heard there are some limits to Win_98SE's ability to handle large
> amounts of ram & large capacity hard drives.
> Is this true?
> are there any work-around methods?
> if so where.
>
> I want to get a new computer tower case & install within it, all new,
> upgraded hardware components.
> Examples:
> A new case & power supply.
> new motherboard, ram sticks, video card, sound card, large hard drive,
> CD/DVD drive, DVD/CDRW drive, 3 1/2" floppy, & fast, cool, & reliable
> (pentium 3 or 4) CPU
>
> I need to know what hardware brand names & model numbers to buy & any
> other info like that (or tutorials) related to this upgrade build.
>
> If this is not the proper newsgroup to ask, could you point me in the
> right direction. LOL
> Links & detailed information would be a great help. :-)
>
>
> S_H
>
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 6, 2004 3:26:51 AM

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On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 00:18:53 GMT, "DaveW" <none@zero.org>
wrote:

>Win 98 SE can NOT use more than 512 MB of RAM. If you try to anyway, the
>computer will become unstable.


Congrats, wrong again.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Win98SE+vcache+512MB
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 6, 2004 3:40:34 AM

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In article <NLUid.574033$8_6.255668@attbi_s04>, DaveW says...
> Win 98 SE can NOT use more than 512 MB of RAM. If you try to anyway, the
> computer will become unstable.
>
>
Why the hell do people keep repeating this absolute rubbish?


--
Conor

Opinions personal, facts suspect.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 6, 2004 4:14:51 AM

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Conor:

> In article <NLUid.574033$8_6.255668@attbi_s04>, DaveW says...
>> Win 98 SE can NOT use more than 512 MB of RAM. If you try to
>> anyway, the computer will become unstable.

> Why the hell do people keep repeating this absolute rubbish?

For the same reason they keep recommending RAID 0 on home computers?
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Mac Cool
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 6, 2004 9:49:47 AM

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Thank you! ... Mac Cool, Conor, & Kony!
The links & info that you provided will be (are) a great help.
For the other folks, who responded, thank you (as well) for the
comments, advise & time.

S_H
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 9, 2004 9:25:38 AM

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In article <NLUid.574033$8_6.255668@attbi_s04>, "DaveW" <none@zero.org>
wrote:

> Win 98 SE can NOT use more than 512 MB of RAM. If you try to anyway, the
> computer will become unstable.

Im running a P4 @2.4mhz with win98se and a gig of ram and its stable as
a rock 12-15 hours a day..... is this just a quirk ??

dnw

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don ward <dward7@earthlink.net>
ward
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 9, 2004 9:58:38 AM

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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:25:38 GMT, don ward
<dward7@earthlink.net> wrote:

>In article <NLUid.574033$8_6.255668@attbi_s04>, "DaveW" <none@zero.org>
>wrote:
>
>> Win 98 SE can NOT use more than 512 MB of RAM. If you try to anyway, the
>> computer will become unstable.
>
>Im running a P4 @2.4mhz with win98se and a gig of ram and its stable as
>a rock 12-15 hours a day..... is this just a quirk ??
>
>dnw


Naw, anything a certain someone writes relating to "must",
"can't", "have to", "Not", etc, is an indicator that above
all, he wants you to use WinXP, and a clean install every
time the wind changes direction regardless of whether you
need it or not, you "MUST" do it regardless, LOL.

The correct answer is that Win98SE, as an unaltered
installation, handles up to 512MB, including AGP video
memory. So a system with AGP card and 512MB memory needs
the vcache change in system.ini

Win98SE should then be fine up to at least 1GB. At that
point there is ambiguity, some systems may work fine up to
1.5GB and others limited to 1GB. Either way the fix is
either to remove memory exceeding that amount, or for a
dual-boot system where it would be desirable to have more
memory available to another OS, Win98SE's memory use can be
limited to 1GB regardless of how much memory is installed
with another system.ini entry (note that "[386Enh]" already
exists in system.ini file, the entry under it is appended to
that location in system.ini file):


[386Enh]

MaxPhysPage=40000
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 13, 2004 9:41:06 AM

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Win98SE, as an unaltered
> installation, handles up to 512MB, including AGP video
> memory. So a system with AGP card and 512MB memory needs
> the vcache change in system.ini

I guess mine is "unaltered" i just assembled the computer with 1 gig of
ram did a new install of win 98se and it showed the full ram.
Just lucky or what ..

dnw

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don ward <dward7@earthlink.net>
ward
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 13, 2004 9:41:07 AM

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don ward wrote:

> Win98SE, as an unaltered
>
>>installation, handles up to 512MB, including AGP video
>>memory. So a system with AGP card and 512MB memory needs
>>the vcache change in system.ini
>
>
> I guess mine is "unaltered" i just assembled the computer with 1 gig of
> ram did a new install of win 98se and it showed the full ram.
> Just lucky or what ..
>
> dnw
>

The problem isn't whether it 'shows' the RAM. It always does that. The
issue is whether vcache operates properly or causes problems under certain
circumstances when RAM is over 512 Meg in size.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 14, 2004 8:08:14 PM

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Semi Head wrote:
> Can someone advise me on how & what components i need to buy in order to
> build a good business computer using Win-98se OS?
> I want a fast, reliable machine to replace our aging 1999 Dell-Dimension
> PC using a Pen-||| 500_hertz CPU.
>
> The main reason i need to stick with Win_98 OS is, all our specialized
> construction oriented & accounting programs were designed to work on
> Win_98Se system & would cost hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars to
> replace with XP friendly versions.
>
> A big concern, i don't want to overbuy the hardware!
> I heard there are some limits to Win_98SE's ability to handle large
> amounts of ram & large capacity hard drives.
> Is this true?
> are there any work-around methods?
> if so where.
>
> I want to get a new computer tower case & install within it, all new,
> upgraded hardware components.
> Examples:
> A new case & power supply.
> new motherboard, ram sticks, video card, sound card, large hard drive,
> CD/DVD drive, DVD/CDRW drive, 3 1/2" floppy, & fast, cool, & reliable
> (pentium 3 or 4) CPU
>
> I need to know what hardware brand names & model numbers to buy & any
> other info like that (or tutorials) related to this upgrade build.
>
> If this is not the proper newsgroup to ask, could you point me in the
> right direction. LOL
> Links & detailed information would be a great help. :-)
>
>
> S_H
>
Windows 98 SE is a pretty good OS. It was designed to work with up to
384 Megs of RAM. Usually it will run fine with 512 megs of RAM. There
is probably a workaround you can do to make it be able to run will with
more RAM, but I dont think it is really designed to take advantage of
much more than 384 Megs.

If you can find a nice Used 1.2 Gig Tulatin Core Celeron or PIII that
will probably run it just fine. I have never tried Win98 with a P4. I
am guessing it will be just fine. I have used with a 1.2 Gig Athlon and
it ran ok with that too. Some software might not like a faster
processor. Most of the problems I have seen are programs written for
windows 95 or DOS in 16 bit. Some programs do run better on Intel
processor if that is what they were written on.
!