New Graphics Card..2 Questions

[Johanna]

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Hi Guys,
I am thinking of buying the "ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder 128 MB" Graphics
Card for my sweet little Shuttle PC.

Previously I used the graphics card that was built in on the
motherboard, but I want to be able to port the picture to my TV, and
have great graphics too, so I think this card is the one for me..(?)

Unfortunately this card does not have a VGA outlet, and I am wondering
whether I will still be able to use the existing VGA outlet for a second
monitor after I install the new graphics card? Grateful for advice if
you know the answer.

Secondly, I want to have cable TV-in and video-out + DVI out too, so
this is the right card for me, isn't it?
Any tips appreciated, as the card is expensive and I am conscious of
getting it wrong. Happy to pay the price if it will do what I want it to
and last for a couple of years or so.

Struggling to find a a UK based vendor of this card - any tips appreciated!

Regards
Johanna

 

[Chris]

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"Johanna" <johanna@homechoice.co.uk> wrote in message
news:418e14fb$1@news1.homechoice.co.uk...
> Hi Guys,
> I am thinking of buying the "ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder 128 MB" Graphics
> Card for my sweet little Shuttle PC.
>
> Previously I used the graphics card that was built in on the motherboard,
> but I want to be able to port the picture to my TV, and have great
> graphics too, so I think this card is the one for me..(?)
>
> Unfortunately this card does not have a VGA outlet, and I am wondering
> whether I will still be able to use the existing VGA outlet for a second
> monitor after I install the new graphics card? Grateful for advice if you
> know the answer.
>
> Secondly, I want to have cable TV-in and video-out + DVI out too, so this
> is the right card for me, isn't it?
> Any tips appreciated, as the card is expensive and I am conscious of
> getting it wrong. Happy to pay the price if it will do what I want it to
> and last for a couple of years or so.
>
> Struggling to find a a UK based vendor of this card - any tips
> appreciated!
>
> Regards
> Johanna

Hi, this card has been out of the ATI range for 2 years and is only 2x AGP
or PCI, since this the ATI all in wonder cards have no longer been available
in PCI only AGP 4x and 8x, it is important that you know which slot your
machine has as the voltage for these cards to run is different. All these
cards will do every thing you want but will need the correct AGP slot,
Radeon versions of this card are available in the UK.
Chris
Technical director CKCCOMPUSCRIPT
Apple Computers, Intel, Roland audio, ATI, Microsoft, Sun Solaris, Cisco and
Silicone Graphics.
Wholesale distributor and specialist audio visual computers and servers
FREE SUPPORT @,
http://www.ckccomp.plus.com/site/page.HTM
ckccomp25@hotmail.com

 

[Johanna]

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Chris,
Thanks for replying and sorry if this was a bit of a beginner's
question. (Haven't done anything technical for a couple of years after
getting a management job. I am really rusty! And hardware was never my
strong point anyway.)

Can you help me to recommend a suitable Graphics card?
I have one AGP slot and one PCI free on my Shuttle. 2.6 GB Intel CPU and
soon 1.5 GB Ram.
I want cable (Homechoice) in, and video + DVI out,
also plenty of options for future expansion, and good graphics performance.

I would be really grateful for your help - there is so much to choose
from, a bit confusing!

Regards
Jo

Chris wrote:
> "Johanna" <johanna@homechoice.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:418e14fb$1@news1.homechoice.co.uk...
>
>>Hi Guys,
>>I am thinking of buying the "ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder 128 MB" Graphics
>>Card for my sweet little Shuttle PC.
>>
>>Previously I used the graphics card that was built in on the motherboard,
>>but I want to be able to port the picture to my TV, and have great
>>graphics too, so I think this card is the one for me..(?)
>>
>>Unfortunately this card does not have a VGA outlet, and I am wondering
>>whether I will still be able to use the existing VGA outlet for a second
>>monitor after I install the new graphics card? Grateful for advice if you
>>know the answer.
>>
>>Secondly, I want to have cable TV-in and video-out + DVI out too, so this
>>is the right card for me, isn't it?
>>Any tips appreciated, as the card is expensive and I am conscious of
>>getting it wrong. Happy to pay the price if it will do what I want it to
>>and last for a couple of years or so.
>>
>>Struggling to find a a UK based vendor of this card - any tips
>>appreciated!
>>
>>Regards
>>Johanna
>
>
> Hi, this card has been out of the ATI range for 2 years and is only 2x AGP
> or PCI, since this the ATI all in wonder cards have no longer been available
> in PCI only AGP 4x and 8x, it is important that you know which slot your
> machine has as the voltage for these cards to run is different. All these
> cards will do every thing you want but will need the correct AGP slot,
> Radeon versions of this card are available in the UK.
> Chris
> Technical director CKCCOMPUSCRIPT
> Apple Computers, Intel, Roland audio, ATI, Microsoft, Sun Solaris, Cisco and
> Silicone Graphics.
> Wholesale distributor and specialist audio visual computers and servers
> FREE SUPPORT @,
> http://www.ckccomp.plus.com/site/page.HTM
> ckccomp25@hotmail.com
>
>

 

[Guest]

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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:28:45 +0000, Johanna
<johanna@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:

>Hi Guys,
>I am thinking of buying the "ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder 128 MB" Graphics
>Card for my sweet little Shuttle PC.

To address the issue that Chris brought up, the AIW 128 in
it's first incarnation is 3.3V only, not what you want. The
2nd version was the AIW 128 "PRO", which will work.

>Previously I used the graphics card that was built in on the
>motherboard, but I want to be able to port the picture to my TV, and
>have great graphics too, so I think this card is the one for me..(?)

Yes it has TV-Out though it can be hit-or-miss if a
paricular card and TV are happy together... it may be fine,
you can only try it and see like with any other card.


>Unfortunately this card does not have a VGA outlet,

What's a "VGA outlet"?

It has the analog monitor output and S-Video for TV. If you
need an adapter, it should come with one in the retail box,
else be sure an "OEM" version comes with all parts needed...
the cable is ATI-specific, proprietary... it resembles an
S-Video out jack but the pins are slightly different.


>and I am wondering
>whether I will still be able to use the existing VGA outlet for a second
>monitor after I install the new graphics card? Grateful for advice if
>you know the answer.

No, your motherboard's onboard video is though the AGP
port. You'd need a PCI video card to be able to use both
the card and motherboard output simultaneously.

>
>Secondly, I want to have cable TV-in and video-out + DVI out too, so
>this is the right card for me, isn't it?

It will do cable-in, it will do video-out. It will not do
DVI-out. You'd need a newer version of All-In-Wonder to do
DVI out, one in the Radeon family.

>Any tips appreciated, as the card is expensive and I am conscious of
>getting it wrong. Happy to pay the price if it will do what I want it to
>and last for a couple of years or so.

AIW 128 Pro should not be expensive, it's a relatively old
card now. Rough guess is you should be able to find one for
the equivalent of $40 USD, perhaps even less
used/auction/etc.

 

[Chris]

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"Johanna" <johanna@homechoice.co.uk> wrote in message
news:418e14fb$1@news1.homechoice.co.uk...
> Hi Guys,
> I am thinking of buying the "ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder 128 MB" Graphics
> Card for my sweet little Shuttle PC.
>
> Previously I used the graphics card that was built in on the
> motherboard, but I want to be able to port the picture to my TV, and
> have great graphics too, so I think this card is the one for me..(?)
>
> Unfortunately this card does not have a VGA outlet, and I am wondering
> whether I will still be able to use the existing VGA outlet for a second
> monitor after I install the new graphics card? Grateful for advice if
> you know the answer.
>
> Secondly, I want to have cable TV-in and video-out + DVI out too, so
> this is the right card for me, isn't it?
> Any tips appreciated, as the card is expensive and I am conscious of
> getting it wrong. Happy to pay the price if it will do what I want it to
> and last for a couple of years or so.
>
> Struggling to find a a UK based vendor of this card - any tips
> appreciated!
>
> Regards
> Johanna


http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/9700_to_9800_Series.html
OcUK ATI Radeon 9800SE All-In-Wonder 128MB (256-bit) DDR VIVO TV-Out/DVI
(AGP) - Retail (XRW98-C3L) (GX-006-OK)
With the OcUK ATI Radeon 9800SE AIW card you can transform your PC into the
ultimate entainment centre. The card features the 9800SE GPU with 128MB DDR
memory which provides stunning visuals and high performance to play all the
latest and most demanding games. Then you have the AIW features such as
stereo TV Tuner with digital VCR, upto 125 channels, integrated teletext and
timeshifting functions. It also has the ability to capture and edit video
(Video Capture in MPEG-2 format at up to 25fps in 720 X 576 (PAL) without
image quality loss). DVD decoder so you can playback DVD's with exceptional
quality and performance. Supplied with remote wonder control which allows
you to control your entire PC without having to be in front of your
computer.

- ATI Radeon 9800SE GPU (380MHz Core)
- 128MB DDR 340MHz (680 DDR) Memory
- 256-bit memory interface
- 4 Rendering pipe lines
- DVI-I Output, TV-Out, Composite video & stereo audio output, S-Video
Output
- Composite video & stereo audio input, S-Video input
- Radio frequency wireless remote control
- Stereo TV tuner (PAL B/G/D/K/I and SECAM L/D/K)
- THRUVIEWT for translucent TV, DVD and video file viewing
- THEATER 200T video encoder and stereo processor


Full Specification

Price: £97.50 (£114.56 Including VAT at 17.5%)

HIS ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB DDR All-in-Wonder VIVO TV-Out/DVI (AGP) -
Retail (GX-004-HT)
Powered by ATI RADEONT9800 PRO, the HIS ALL-IN-WONDERT 9800 PRO enables
desktop PC users to keep current with late-breaking TV news or with their
favorite TV programs. Favorite TV shows and home movies, recorded by the
ALL-IN-WONDER 9800 PRO, can be archived to DVD. In addition, ALL-IN-WONDER
9800 PRO provides a great multimedia computer experience by combining fast
3D game graphics including support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0, with high
quality video editing and enhanced TV viewing.

- ATI Radeon 9800 Pro GPU running at 380MHz
- 128MB DDR memory running at 680MHz
- 256-bit memory interface
- ATI's Multimedia Center offering TV-ON-DEMAND, mulTVIEW, THRUVIEW,
VIDEOSOAP, FULLSTREAM, EAZYLOOK
- ATI's Theater 200 chipset
- Remote Wonder (RF Control)
- Stereo TV Tuner with 125 channel support




Price: £185.00 (£217.38 Including VAT at 17.5%)

Chris
Technical director CKCCOMPUSCRIPT
Apple Computers, Intel, Roland audio, ATI, Microsoft, Sun Solaris, Cisco and
Silicone Graphics.
Wholesale distributor and specialist audio visual computers and servers
FREE SUPPORT @,
http://www.ckccomp.plus.com/site/page.HTM
ckccomp25@hotmail.com


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[Guest]

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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:12:23 -0000, "Chris"
<chris@ckccomp.plus.com> wrote:


>http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/9700_to_9800_Series.html
>OcUK ATI Radeon 9800SE All-In-Wonder 128MB (256-bit) DDR VIVO TV-Out/DVI
>(AGP) - Retail (XRW98-C3L) (GX-006-OK)


Keep in mind that the OP has a SFF shuttle system, which has
more limited cooling and power supply than a regular desktop
system. Unless there is a strong need for games the
9700-9800 series is not a good choice, the lesser 900
series would be more appropriate and likely cheaper.

 

[Johanna]

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Thanks Chris & Kony - My machine actually has a very impressive fan and
cooling system - never seen anything like it before! It keeps the
machine relatively cool. Will give some thought on whether to take the
risk or not.. Thanks for the tip on on Overclockers - I actually bought
my existing system from them..!
Regards
Jo



kony wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:12:23 -0000, "Chris"
> <chris@ckccomp.plus.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/9700_to_9800_Series.html
>>OcUK ATI Radeon 9800SE All-In-Wonder 128MB (256-bit) DDR VIVO TV-Out/DVI
>>(AGP) - Retail (XRW98-C3L) (GX-006-OK)
>
>
>
> Keep in mind that the OP has a SFF shuttle system, which has
> more limited cooling and power supply than a regular desktop
> system. Unless there is a strong need for games the
> 9700-9800 series is not a good choice, the lesser 900
> series would be more appropriate and likely cheaper.

 

[Guest]

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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:30:35 +0000, Johanna
<johanna@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:

>Thanks Chris & Kony - My machine actually has a very impressive fan and
>cooling system - never seen anything like it before! It keeps the
>machine relatively cool.

The machine or the CPU? If the fan is thermally controlled
that will help, though be louder. I'd still be concerned
about the power though, it's not only marginal capacity for
this but replacements are disproportionately priced due to
their being unique (IIRC).