Video Card/Mobo compatability issue OR "A Tale of Two Notc..

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I bought a NOS Mobo (ECS- Elitegroup P4ITA2) for an old P4 my buddy
gave me. I am gutting an old Athlon system I have to use for parts for
the P4 system. In the AMD box there was a seemingly usable video card:
an NVIDIA Riva TNT2 (maybe a M64?), I believe 16 MB. It's hard to
tell b/c it's a COMPAQ part made by Nvidia...you know.

So anyway: the new Mobo says I MUST use a 1.5V video card. After
looking online I saw that if the card has 2 notches it is 1.5V,
however I ran across a post saying this rule is *usually* correct
except in cases of TNT2 and another card. The card has the 1.5V
tell-tale 2 notches.

A sticker on one side of the card reads:
I.T.E Accessory
180-p0009-000-c00-8,-16
E204896
+3.3Vdc@2.7A, +5Vdc@100mA
TWMIC001

Which leads me to believe this is indeed a 3.3V card. Does anyone have
the correct info on this card?!?!

Just in case you need it:
the part number is: 316903600002-ROB
There is another serial below that: PWA-G4000PRO/GRAPHIC CARD

Please help me out if you can & Thanks ahead of time,
Rob in NJ
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    Rob wrote:

    > I bought a NOS Mobo (ECS- Elitegroup P4ITA2) for an old P4 my buddy
    > gave me. I am gutting an old Athlon system I have to use for parts for
    > the P4 system. In the AMD box there was a seemingly usable video card:
    > an NVIDIA Riva TNT2 (maybe a M64?), I believe 16 MB. It's hard to
    > tell b/c it's a COMPAQ part made by Nvidia...you know.
    >
    > So anyway: the new Mobo says I MUST use a 1.5V video card. After
    > looking online I saw that if the card has 2 notches it is 1.5V,
    > however I ran across a post saying this rule is *usually* correct
    > except in cases of TNT2 and another card. The card has the 1.5V
    > tell-tale 2 notches.
    >
    > A sticker on one side of the card reads:
    > I.T.E Accessory
    > 180-p0009-000-c00-8,-16
    > E204896
    > +3.3Vdc@2.7A, +5Vdc@100mA
    > TWMIC001
    >
    > Which leads me to believe this is indeed a 3.3V card. Does anyone have
    > the correct info on this card?!?!
    >
    > Just in case you need it:
    > the part number is: 316903600002-ROB
    > There is another serial below that: PWA-G4000PRO/GRAPHIC CARD
    >
    > Please help me out if you can & Thanks ahead of time,
    > Rob in NJ

    Well, the TNT2 chipset is 2x/4x but lord knows if Compaq did something
    weird with it because it's hopeless looking for a component PCB on their
    site unless you know the specific SYSTEM model it came out of.

    If it's 'normal', though, it should be dual voltage, 3.3 (1x) and 1.5 (4x)
    and should work.

    The 3.3Vdc@2.7A is talking of the power requirements. The 1.5 volts,
    however, is the AGP bus signaling level, not power, and is generated on
    board by the way the bus termination is done.

    Well, I'll be damned. I found a surplus seller using a google search with
    "G4000PRO" and while their listing didn't say squat for a description it
    DID have a 'part number', 182758-001, not resembling a thing you posted but
    that isn't so strange as Compaq has different part numbers for 'in system'
    and 'replacement'.

    These folks:
    http://www.nbtek.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/index_home.htm

    Dern thing doesn't even say TNT2. yuck, yuck.

    Anyway, going back to Compaq/HP's parts house and using a direct part
    number search the dern thing came UP! (I think that's the first time I ever
    had a part number WORK in the stupid thing).

    And, to my complete surprise, it actually says the AGP speed in the one
    liner for it: 4X. NOW they tell me a jillion systems it goes in, as if I care.

    http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/main?sel_flg=partinfo&template=main&cpric=&psrchmode=&partsrch=182758-001&submit.x=4&submit.y=6

    "182758-001 90.00 AGP graphics card - Nvidia M64 Pro, 16MB, with TV out (4X
    AGP) "

    Bet ya didn't know it was worth 90 bucks. Bwaaaahahaha.

    Jeeze. Now I see the same part number right there in the summary for
    another google link. Well, we'll call that a 'confirmation' rather than
    "why didn't you look there first, dummy?"
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    The thing is, it isn't that part. It doesn't have TV out, nor do I believe
    it is a "Pro" model. Maybe it is, but I am not sure.
    The card came out of a Presario 7000 Series. 7AP140 to be exact.

    I tried googling the P/N and didn't come up with much. Any more info/help?
    I really appreciate all so far.

    Rob in NJ


    "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message
    news:10p0viqr5f23218@corp.supernews.com...
    > Rob wrote:
    >
    >> I bought a NOS Mobo (ECS- Elitegroup P4ITA2) for an old P4 my buddy
    >> gave me. I am gutting an old Athlon system I have to use for parts for
    >> the P4 system. In the AMD box there was a seemingly usable video card:
    >> an NVIDIA Riva TNT2 (maybe a M64?), I believe 16 MB. It's hard to
    >> tell b/c it's a COMPAQ part made by Nvidia...you know.
    >>
    >> So anyway: the new Mobo says I MUST use a 1.5V video card. After
    >> looking online I saw that if the card has 2 notches it is 1.5V,
    >> however I ran across a post saying this rule is *usually* correct
    >> except in cases of TNT2 and another card. The card has the 1.5V
    >> tell-tale 2 notches.
    >>
    >> A sticker on one side of the card reads:
    >> I.T.E Accessory
    >> 180-p0009-000-c00-8,-16
    >> E204896
    >> +3.3Vdc@2.7A, +5Vdc@100mA
    >> TWMIC001
    >>
    >> Which leads me to believe this is indeed a 3.3V card. Does anyone have
    >> the correct info on this card?!?!
    >>
    >> Just in case you need it:
    >> the part number is: 316903600002-ROB
    >> There is another serial below that: PWA-G4000PRO/GRAPHIC CARD
    >>
    >> Please help me out if you can & Thanks ahead of time,
    >> Rob in NJ
    >
    > Well, the TNT2 chipset is 2x/4x but lord knows if Compaq did something
    > weird with it because it's hopeless looking for a component PCB on their
    > site unless you know the specific SYSTEM model it came out of.
    >
    > If it's 'normal', though, it should be dual voltage, 3.3 (1x) and 1.5 (4x)
    > and should work.
    >
    > The 3.3Vdc@2.7A is talking of the power requirements. The 1.5 volts,
    > however, is the AGP bus signaling level, not power, and is generated on
    > board by the way the bus termination is done.
    >
    > Well, I'll be damned. I found a surplus seller using a google search with
    > "G4000PRO" and while their listing didn't say squat for a description it
    > DID have a 'part number', 182758-001, not resembling a thing you posted
    > but that isn't so strange as Compaq has different part numbers for 'in
    > system' and 'replacement'.
    >
    > These folks:
    > http://www.nbtek.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/index_home.htm
    >
    > Dern thing doesn't even say TNT2. yuck, yuck.
    >
    > Anyway, going back to Compaq/HP's parts house and using a direct part
    > number search the dern thing came UP! (I think that's the first time I
    > ever had a part number WORK in the stupid thing).
    >
    > And, to my complete surprise, it actually says the AGP speed in the one
    > liner for it: 4X. NOW they tell me a jillion systems it goes in, as if I
    > care.
    >
    > http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/main?sel_flg=partinfo&template=main&cpric=&psrchmode=&partsrch=182758-001&submit.x=4&submit.y=6
    >
    > "182758-001 90.00 AGP graphics card - Nvidia M64 Pro, 16MB, with TV out
    > (4X AGP) "
    >
    > Bet ya didn't know it was worth 90 bucks. Bwaaaahahaha.
    >
    > Jeeze. Now I see the same part number right there in the summary for
    > another google link. Well, we'll call that a 'confirmation' rather than
    > "why didn't you look there first, dummy?"
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:07:20 -0500, "Rob Evans" <xrobevansx
    AT YAHOO DOT COM> wrote:

    >The thing is, it isn't that part. It doesn't have TV out, nor do I believe
    >it is a "Pro" model. Maybe it is, but I am not sure.
    >The card came out of a Presario 7000 Series. 7AP140 to be exact.
    >
    >I tried googling the P/N and didn't come up with much. Any more info/help?
    >I really appreciate all so far.
    >
    >Rob in NJ

    For the most part it is true that when a card has two
    notches it's dual-voltage capable. AFAIK, ALL of the
    "Vanta" or "M64" cards are, it was only some of the early,
    full-speed and full memory-bus-width TNT2 that were at
    issue. The odds are very high that the card WILL support
    1.5V, but I can't guarantee it.

    What you might do is research whether the motherboard has a
    safety feature built in that prevents it from powering up
    with wrong video card inserted. It might be in the manual
    though odds go down due to the manufacturer. If it were my
    board and card I'd go ahead and try it, but I'd hate to
    imply that it's riskless, just low-risk. I'm not even
    entirely sure all cards that weren't 1.5V capable were
    properly labeled, that they warned of this, so while you
    could find a description of the card that reads "4X"
    capable, even that might not be a guarantee.

    Unfortunately the risk is to the motherboard, not the
    card... wouldn't be much of a loss if the card fried,
    another might be found on ebay for $10.
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    Ironically, I bought the board on EBAY for 14 bucks!


    > Unfortunately the risk is to the motherboard, not the
    > card... wouldn't be much of a loss if the card fried,
    > another might be found on ebay for $10.
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    Rob:

    > So anyway: the new Mobo says I MUST use a 1.5V video card. After
    > looking online I saw that if the card has 2 notches it is 1.5V,
    > however I ran across a post saying this rule is *usually* correct
    > except in cases of TNT2 and another card. The card has the 1.5V
    > tell-tale 2 notches.

    Are you referring to this post:
    http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=82

    Truthfully there may be no way to know except to test it (risking damage
    to the mb) unless you want to spend hours, maybe days, researching the
    subject. Personally I would just get different card. You can pick up a 4x
    video card for $10-20.

    http://www.ertyu.org/~steven_nikkel/agpcompatibility.html
    --
    Mac Cool
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    Rob Evans wrote:

    > The thing is, it isn't that part. It doesn't have TV out, nor do I believe
    > it is a "Pro" model. Maybe it is, but I am not sure.

    Well, I took "G4000PRO" from the "PWA-G4000PRO/GRAPHIC CARD" you got off
    the card.

    > The card came out of a Presario 7000 Series. 7AP140 to be exact.

    Part list for 7AP140 says it's a P/N 182757-001: AGP graphics card - Nvidia
    M64 Pro, 16MB (4X AGP)

    Tough luck. Only worth 59 bucks.

    http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/main?sel_flg=partlist&model=PRESARIO+7AP1XX&HP_model=199063-003&modname=Compaq+Presario+desktop+PC+7AP140+%28FQR1%29+%28199063-003%29&template=main&plist_sval=PC+Board+%28Graphics%29&plist_styp=subcat&dealer_id=&callingsite=&strsrch=&keysel=PC+Board+%28Graphics%29&catsel=%3F

    >
    > I tried googling the P/N and didn't come up with much. Any more info/help?
    > I really appreciate all so far.

    It doesn't really matter. The way these things generally work is the base
    board, indicated by the PWA "G4000PRO", is the same for various versions
    that have optional parts either installed, or not, for whether there's, for
    example, TV Out, or not.

    http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/showphoto?partnumber=182758-001
    http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/showphoto?partnumber=182757-001
    http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/showphoto?partnumber=182757-003
    http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/showphoto?partnumber=182757-004

    If you compare the 182758-001 and 182757-001 pictures you can see the empty
    PCB holes on the 182757-001 where the TV out connector would go and the
    assembly would obviously need the other I/O end plate (which is why they're
    different part numbers but the base board, and it's part number, is the same).

    At any rate, the specific system model you gave, 7AP140, says it's the
    182757-001 and that part says it's 4x (they all do) and you can compare
    your board to the pictures.

    >
    > Rob in NJ
    >
    >
    > "David Maynard" <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in message
    > news:10p0viqr5f23218@corp.supernews.com...
    >
    >>Rob wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I bought a NOS Mobo (ECS- Elitegroup P4ITA2) for an old P4 my buddy
    >>>gave me. I am gutting an old Athlon system I have to use for parts for
    >>>the P4 system. In the AMD box there was a seemingly usable video card:
    >>>an NVIDIA Riva TNT2 (maybe a M64?), I believe 16 MB. It's hard to
    >>>tell b/c it's a COMPAQ part made by Nvidia...you know.
    >>>
    >>>So anyway: the new Mobo says I MUST use a 1.5V video card. After
    >>>looking online I saw that if the card has 2 notches it is 1.5V,
    >>>however I ran across a post saying this rule is *usually* correct
    >>>except in cases of TNT2 and another card. The card has the 1.5V
    >>>tell-tale 2 notches.
    >>>
    >>>A sticker on one side of the card reads:
    >>>I.T.E Accessory
    >>>180-p0009-000-c00-8,-16
    >>>E204896
    >>>+3.3Vdc@2.7A, +5Vdc@100mA
    >>>TWMIC001
    >>>
    >>>Which leads me to believe this is indeed a 3.3V card. Does anyone have
    >>>the correct info on this card?!?!
    >>>
    >>>Just in case you need it:
    >>>the part number is: 316903600002-ROB
    >>>There is another serial below that: PWA-G4000PRO/GRAPHIC CARD
    >>>
    >>>Please help me out if you can & Thanks ahead of time,
    >>>Rob in NJ
    >>
    >>Well, the TNT2 chipset is 2x/4x but lord knows if Compaq did something
    >>weird with it because it's hopeless looking for a component PCB on their
    >>site unless you know the specific SYSTEM model it came out of.
    >>
    >>If it's 'normal', though, it should be dual voltage, 3.3 (1x) and 1.5 (4x)
    >>and should work.
    >>
    >>The 3.3Vdc@2.7A is talking of the power requirements. The 1.5 volts,
    >>however, is the AGP bus signaling level, not power, and is generated on
    >>board by the way the bus termination is done.
    >>
    >>Well, I'll be damned. I found a surplus seller using a google search with
    >>"G4000PRO" and while their listing didn't say squat for a description it
    >>DID have a 'part number', 182758-001, not resembling a thing you posted
    >>but that isn't so strange as Compaq has different part numbers for 'in
    >>system' and 'replacement'.
    >>
    >>These folks:
    >>http://www.nbtek.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/index_home.htm
    >>
    >>Dern thing doesn't even say TNT2. yuck, yuck.
    >>
    >>Anyway, going back to Compaq/HP's parts house and using a direct part
    >>number search the dern thing came UP! (I think that's the first time I
    >>ever had a part number WORK in the stupid thing).
    >>
    >>And, to my complete surprise, it actually says the AGP speed in the one
    >>liner for it: 4X. NOW they tell me a jillion systems it goes in, as if I
    >>care.
    >>
    >>http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/main?sel_flg=partinfo&template=main&cpric=&psrchmode=&partsrch=182758-001&submit.x=4&submit.y=6
    >>
    >>"182758-001 90.00 AGP graphics card - Nvidia M64 Pro, 16MB, with TV out
    >>(4X AGP) "
    >>
    >>Bet ya didn't know it was worth 90 bucks. Bwaaaahahaha.
    >>
    >>Jeeze. Now I see the same part number right there in the summary for
    >>another google link. Well, we'll call that a 'confirmation' rather than
    >>"why didn't you look there first, dummy?"
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >
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