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Anonymous
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November 20, 2004 11:57:54 PM

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http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1082766

Before I order parts for this system, anyone have any comments on
this? Its my first time building a machine. Any newbie mistakes I'm
making?

This will be my primary home machine replacing an old gateway2000
500MHz. Will do some photoshop and graphics but not everyday. Also
microsoft office, emailing etc. No gaming to speak of.

Would like the system to be quiet. Convenient ports in front to
connect camera or other devices.

Will this require an additional inlet fan in the front of the case? I
believe it comes with rear fan only.

This graphics card ok? Its on the low end of the price range. What
shortcoming will I notice from this vid card?

Will pickup mouse and monitor from my parts box, may also pull
internal zip drive from exhisting system.

Thanks for your input!
Mike


ANTEC Life Style Series Black Case With 380W Power Supply, Model
"SONATA"
Specifications:
Case Type: Mid Tower
Color: Piano Black
Material: 0.8mm SECC Steel
Drive Bays: 5.25" x 3/0, 3.5" x 2/4 (external/internal)
Expansion Slots: 7
Front Ports: 2xUSB & 1xIEEE1394 & Audio
Power Supply: 380W
Cooling System: 1 x 120mm Fans Rear
Mainboard Compatibility: Standard ATX
Dimensions: 16.75"x18.25"x8.13" more info-> N82E16811129127
$99.99

3 Ft, Cat. 5e Patch Cable, 350 Mhz, Can be used as Cat. 5 With
Snag-Free Caps, Black, Model 10X5-82203 (Black), OEM more info->
N82E16812117121
$.99

7 Ft, Cat. 5e Patch Cable, 350 Mhz, Can be used as Cat. 5 With
Snag-Free Caps, Blue, Model 10X5-82407 (Blue), OEM more info->
N82E16812117204
$1.55

ABIT "KV8 Pro" K8T800 Pro Chipset Motherboard for AMD Athlon64 CPU
-RETAIL
Specifications:
Supported CPU: Socket 754 AMD Athlon64 Processors
Chipset: VIA K8T800 Pro + VT8237
FSB: 800MHz
RAM: 2x DIMM for DDR400/333/266 Max 2GB
IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X , 5x PCI
Ports: 2xPS/2,1xCOM,1xLPT,SPDIF In/Out,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),1xLAN,Audio
Ports
Onboard Audio: 6-Channel AC97 Codec
Onboard LAN: VT6122 Gigabit Ethernet
Onboard SATA/RAID:2x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1 JBOD
Form Factor: ATX more info-> N82E16813127178
$88.00

ASUS ATI RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 128M DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP,
Model "9200SE/T" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9200SE/200MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/333MHz
BUS: AGP 4x/8x
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video Out+Composite Out)
Support 3D API: DirectX®8.1, OpenGL®1.3
Cable/Accessories: Driver CD, Manual
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@75Hz more info->
N82E16814121506
$48.00

AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 512k L2 Cache, The Only 64-bit Windows Compatible
Processor - Retail
Specification
Model: AMD Athlon 64 3200+
Core: Newcastle
Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
FSB: Integrated int chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 754
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Warranty: 3-year MFG
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included) more info->
N82E16819103483
$190.00

Corsair Value Select (Dual Pack) 184 Pin 512MBx2 DDR PC-3200 - OEM
Specification
Manufacturer: Corsair
Model: VS1GBKIT400
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2.5
Support Voltage: 2.5V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: two 64M x 64 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime more info-> N82E16820145440
$155.00

Seagate 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model ST380011A, OEM
Specifications:
Capacity: 80GB
Average Seek Time: 8.5 ms
Buffer: 2MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: IDE Ultra ATA100
Features: 350 Gs non-op shock, 3D Defense System
Manufacturer Warranty: 5 year
Packaging: OEM more info-> N82E16822148015
$62.00

Belkin F8E885-BLK Enhanced Keyboard PS/2 104Keys -RETAIL
Specifications:
Interface: PS/2
Number Of Keys: 104 keys + 3 Function keys
Wireless Technology: N/A
Palm Rest: Detachable
Design Style:Standard
Features: The aerodynamic design of the Belkin Enhanced Keyboard
complements your home or office and provides a smooth, comfortable
typing surface. more info-> N82E16823154005
$14.00


TOSHIBA 8X Black DVD±RW Internal Drive, Model SD-R5272 BLACK, OEM
Specifications:
Write Speed: 8X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 8X DVD-R, 4X DVD-RW, 32X CD-R, 10X
CD-RW
Read Speed: 40X CD-ROM, 12X DVD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2MB
OS Support: Windows XP/2000/Me/98SE
Features: Horizontal or Vertical Mount
Packaging: OEM (see pictures for details) more info->
N82E16827130020
$54.00

Microsoft Windows XP Professional With Service Pack 2 -OEM

$146.00


$859.53

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Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 21, 2004 11:11:30 AM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

oo Mike oo wrote:

> ANTEC Life Style Series Black Case With 380W Power Supply, Model
> "SONATA"
> $99.99

Nice case. I wholly recommend Antec cases and power supplies. I will say
that this case; don't know if it's all black cases (I still use beige);
attracts dust. You'll have to routinely whipe it off.

> ABIT "KV8 Pro" K8T800 Pro Chipset Motherboard for AMD Athlon64 CPU
> -RETAIL
> Specifications:
> Supported CPU: Socket 754 AMD Athlon64 Processors
> Chipset: VIA K8T800 Pro + VT8237
> FSB: 800MHz
> RAM: 2x DIMM for DDR400/333/266 Max 2GB
> IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
> Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X , 5x PCI
> Ports: 2xPS/2,1xCOM,1xLPT,SPDIF In/Out,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),1xLAN,Audio
> Ports
> Onboard Audio: 6-Channel AC97 Codec
> Onboard LAN: VT6122 Gigabit Ethernet
> Onboard SATA/RAID:2x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1 JBOD
> Form Factor: ATX more info->         N82E16813127178
> $88.00

Are you planning on overclocking? The reason I ask is that Abit boards are
the darling of hard core overclockers. However, you opt for inexpensive RAM
that will probably, but not necessarily, limit your overclocking. You might
reconsider and spring for better RAM if you plan to overclock.

> ASUS ATI RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 128M DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP,
> Model "9200SE/T" -RETAIL
> Specifications:
> Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9200SE/200MHz
> Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/333MHz
> BUS: AGP 4x/8x
> Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video Out+Composite Out)
> Support 3D API: DirectX®8.1, OpenGL®1.3
> Cable/Accessories: Driver CD, Manual
> Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@75Hz more info->
> N82E16814121506
> $48.00

Good price, but sub-par performer. Thanksgiving day, get your local
newspaper and look through the advertisements for Best Buy, Circuit City,
CompUSA and others for unbelievable deals after rebates for early shoppers
on Friday morning. My brother got an ATi Radeon 9600 last year for $60
after rebates, which is a much better card than a 9200SE.

> AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 512k L2 Cache, The Only 64-bit Windows Compatible
> Processor - Retail
> Specification
> Model: AMD Athlon 64 3200+
> Core: Newcastle
> Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
> FSB: Integrated int chip
> Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
> Voltage: 1.5V
> Process: 0.13Micron
> Socket: Socket 754
> Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
> Warranty: 3-year MFG
> Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included) more info->
> N82E16819103483
> $190.00

If you sprung for an Athlon 64 with 1MB cache, it'll be quite a bit faster.
According to AMD, this particular processor should be with a 1MB cache, but
make sure you get it. You won't regret it.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/...

> Corsair Value Select (Dual Pack) 184 Pin 512MBx2 DDR PC-3200 - OEM
> Specification
> Manufacturer: Corsair
> Model: VS1GBKIT400
> Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
> Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
> Error Checking: Non-ECC
> Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
> Cas Latency: 2.5
> Support Voltage: 2.5V
> Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
> Organization: two 64M x 64 -Bit
> Warranty: Lifetime more info->         N82E16820145440
> $155.00

Again, if you plan to overclock, get better memory. Corsair is a very good
brand, but the model you selected uses slower chips.

> Seagate 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model ST380011A, OEM
> Specifications:
> Capacity: 80GB
> Average Seek Time: 8.5 ms
> Buffer: 2MB
> Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
> Interface: IDE Ultra ATA100
> Features: 350 Gs non-op shock, 3D Defense System
> Manufacturer Warranty: 5 year
> Packaging: OEM more info->         N82E16822148015
> $62.00

Believe it or not, 80GB will fill up fast. Consider a 160MB drive.

> Belkin F8E885-BLK Enhanced Keyboard PS/2 104Keys -RETAIL
> Specifications:
> Interface: PS/2
> Number Of Keys: 104 keys + 3 Function keys
> Wireless Technology: N/A
> Palm Rest: Detachable
> Design Style:Standard
> Features: The aerodynamic design of the Belkin Enhanced Keyboard
> complements your home or office and provides a smooth, comfortable
> typing surface. more info->         N82E16823154005
> $14.00

Wow... You really are building a budget machine...

> TOSHIBA 8X Black DVD±RW Internal Drive, Model SD-R5272 BLACK, OEM
> Specifications:
> Write Speed: 8X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 8X DVD-R, 4X DVD-RW, 32X CD-R, 10X
> CD-RW
> Read Speed: 40X CD-ROM, 12X DVD-ROM
> Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
> Buffer: 2MB
> OS Support: Windows XP/2000/Me/98SE
> Features: Horizontal or Vertical Mount
> Packaging: OEM (see pictures for details) more info->
> N82E16827130020
> $54.00

For just a little more, you can get a Pioneer 16X +_R with 4X Dual Layer.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

I just want to say something here... It's one thing to build a machine on a
budget. It's another to be so cheap about it that your system is outdated
as soon as you build it.

The keyboard you selected is probably only worth the $14 you'll pay for it.
If you want to avoid paying for extras like media buttons and such,
Microsoft and Logitech make keyboards that will fill the bill and are of
much higher quality, often, than those budget keyboards.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

The same goes for everything else. I know New Egg is a very good place to
get parts, but there are others too, particularly ZipZoomFly, where I order
the majority of my stuff. If you shop around carefully, you can get much
better parts and still keep the price very reasonable. I really think you
can do better than this system on such a limited budget.

> Microsoft Windows XP Professional With Service Pack 2 -OEM
>
> $146.00

What does XP Professional give you that you want, that XP Home does not? You
don't need SMP support. You don't need all those professional level
administration tools. What do you need that you're willing to spend the
extra money for?

> $859.53

Here's my recommendations:

MSI K8N NEO-FSR nForce3 250gb Athlon 64 Skt754 DDR ATX Motherboard w/Audio,
Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA Retail ***Free 2nd Day***
800FSB, ATA/133, AGP 8X, 3DDR DIMM, 5PCI, USB 2.0, Audio, Gigabit LAN,
RAID/SATA
$92

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Processor Socket 754 Retail *** Free 2nd Day ***
w/Fan and Heatsink, 3 Years Manufacturer Warranty (FREE 10-pack 48X CD-R
Media)
$188

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Antec Sonata Quiet Mid Tower Case (Piano Black) Retail
w/380W Power Supply
$99

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

eVGA e-GeForce 6600 PCI Express 128MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI Retail
***Free 2nd Day*** (This is PCI Express, but AGP should be out next couple
of weeks)
$139

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Pioneer DVR108 16X Dual Layer DVD Bare Drive (Black) ***Free 2nd Day***
$79.99

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ST3160827AS 160GB Serial ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive
w/8MB Buffer ***Free 2nd Day***
w/Native Command Queuing Technology
$119

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Corsair CMX512-3200C2 512MB DDR400 PC3200 XMS Memory w/Heat Spreader Retail
*** Free 2nd Day ***
Lifetime Warranty
$103.90

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Logitech Optical Desktop & Optical Wheel Mouse (Black) *** Free 2nd Day ***
$26

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Single Full Version OEM *** Free 2nd Day
***
$86.99

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Total: $934

This is a much better system than you spec'd out, for only $75 more money.
You get what you pay for, in the end.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 21, 2004 2:06:15 PM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

> ASUS ATI RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 128M DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP,
> $48.00

Bit of a let down there...go for a least an nVidia FX5700

> Seagate 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model ST380011A, OEM
> Capacity: 80GB
> Average Seek Time: 8.5 ms
> Buffer: 2MB
> Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
> Interface: IDE Ultra ATA100
> $62.00
>
OK, thats quite a poor drive. Go for at least 160GB, 8MB buffer.

> TOSHIBA 8X Black DVD±RW Internal Drive, Model SD-R5272 BLACK, OEM
> $54.00
>
Thats not a dual layer drive

> Microsoft Windows XP Professional With Service Pack 2 -OEM
>
> $146.00
>
Do you really need XP Pro?


hamman
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Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 21, 2004 8:43:14 PM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:06:15 -0000, "Hamman"
<none@example.com> wrote:

>> ASUS ATI RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 128M DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP,
>> $48.00
>
>Bit of a let down there...go for a least an nVidia FX5700

There is no benefit to spending more for a FX5700 since
there is no gaming.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 22, 2004 3:01:36 AM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

kony wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:06:15 -0000, "Hamman"
> <none@example.com> wrote:
>
>>> ASUS ATI RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 128M DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP,
>>> $48.00
>>
>>Bit of a let down there...go for a least an nVidia FX5700
>
> There is no benefit to spending more for a FX5700 since
> there is no gaming.

Yes, there is, since the user just might get into gaming sometime later. No
reason to go overboard, but a somewhat better card for just a few mor bucks
should do fine.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 22, 2004 5:35:48 AM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:06:15 -0000, "Hamman" <none@example.com> wrote:

>> ASUS ATI RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 128M DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP,
>> $48.00
>
>Bit of a let down there...go for a least an nVidia FX5700
>
>> Seagate 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model ST380011A, OEM
>> Capacity: 80GB
>> Average Seek Time: 8.5 ms
>> Buffer: 2MB
>> Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
>> Interface: IDE Ultra ATA100
>> $62.00
>>
>OK, thats quite a poor drive. Go for at least 160GB, 8MB buffer.

Will look into a larger drive, sounds like a good idea

>
>> TOSHIBA 8X Black DVD±RW Internal Drive, Model SD-R5272 BLACK, OEM
>> $54.00
>>
>Thats not a dual layer drive
>
>> Microsoft Windows XP Professional With Service Pack 2 -OEM
>>
>> $146.00
>>
>Do you really need XP Pro?

Did some reading on this, probably don't need xp pro after all.

>
>
>hamman
>

Looks like more research and reading, thanks for the input
Mike
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 22, 2004 5:53:11 AM

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt (More info?)

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:11:30 -0500, Ruel Smith <NoWay@NoWhere.com>
wrote:

>oo Mike oo wrote:
>
>> ANTEC Life Style Series Black Case With 380W Power Supply, Model
>> "SONATA"
>> $99.99
>
>Nice case. I wholly recommend Antec cases and power supplies. I will say
>that this case; don't know if it's all black cases (I still use beige);
>attracts dust. You'll have to routinely whipe it off.

Yes, was looking at the black case, glad to hear you're satisfied with
the power supply.

>
>> ABIT "KV8 Pro" K8T800 Pro Chipset Motherboard for AMD Athlon64 CPU
>> -RETAIL
>> Specifications:
>> Supported CPU: Socket 754 AMD Athlon64 Processors
>> Chipset: VIA K8T800 Pro + VT8237
>> FSB: 800MHz
>> RAM: 2x DIMM for DDR400/333/266 Max 2GB
>> IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
>> Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X , 5x PCI
>> Ports: 2xPS/2,1xCOM,1xLPT,SPDIF In/Out,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),1xLAN,Audio
>> Ports
>> Onboard Audio: 6-Channel AC97 Codec
>> Onboard LAN: VT6122 Gigabit Ethernet
>> Onboard SATA/RAID:2x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1 JBOD
>> Form Factor: ATX more info->         N82E16813127178
>> $88.00
>
>Are you planning on overclocking? The reason I ask is that Abit boards are
>the darling of hard core overclockers. However, you opt for inexpensive RAM
>that will probably, but not necessarily, limit your overclocking. You might
>reconsider and spring for better RAM if you plan to overclock.
No, no plans to overclock.

>
>> ASUS ATI RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 128M DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP,
>> Model "9200SE/T" -RETAIL
>> Specifications:
>> Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9200SE/200MHz
>> Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/333MHz
>> BUS: AGP 4x/8x
>> Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video Out+Composite Out)
>> Support 3D API: DirectX®8.1, OpenGL®1.3
>> Cable/Accessories: Driver CD, Manual
>> Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@75Hz more info->
>> N82E16814121506
>> $48.00
>
>Good price, but sub-par performer. Thanksgiving day, get your local
>newspaper and look through the advertisements for Best Buy, Circuit City,
>CompUSA and others for unbelievable deals after rebates for early shoppers
>on Friday morning. My brother got an ATi Radeon 9600 last year for $60
>after rebates, which is a much better card than a 9200SE.

Haven't done a whole lot of research into video cards, guess I'll need
to read up on them more.

>
>> AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 512k L2 Cache, The Only 64-bit Windows Compatible
>> Processor - Retail
>> Specification
>> Model: AMD Athlon 64 3200+
>> Core: Newcastle
>> Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
>> FSB: Integrated int chip
>> Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
>> Voltage: 1.5V
>> Process: 0.13Micron
>> Socket: Socket 754
>> Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
>> Warranty: 3-year MFG
>> Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included) more info->
>> N82E16819103483
>> $190.00
>
>If you sprung for an Athlon 64 with 1MB cache, it'll be quite a bit faster.
>According to AMD, this particular processor should be with a 1MB cache, but
>make sure you get it. You won't regret it.
>
>http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/...
>
>> Corsair Value Select (Dual Pack) 184 Pin 512MBx2 DDR PC-3200 - OEM
>> Specification
>> Manufacturer: Corsair
>> Model: VS1GBKIT400
>> Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
>> Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
>> Error Checking: Non-ECC
>> Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
>> Cas Latency: 2.5
>> Support Voltage: 2.5V
>> Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
>> Organization: two 64M x 64 -Bit
>> Warranty: Lifetime more info->         N82E16820145440
>> $155.00
>
>Again, if you plan to overclock, get better memory. Corsair is a very good
>brand, but the model you selected uses slower chips.
>
>> Seagate 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model ST380011A, OEM
>> Specifications:
>> Capacity: 80GB
>> Average Seek Time: 8.5 ms
>> Buffer: 2MB
>> Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
>> Interface: IDE Ultra ATA100
>> Features: 350 Gs non-op shock, 3D Defense System
>> Manufacturer Warranty: 5 year
>> Packaging: OEM more info->         N82E16822148015
>> $62.00
>
>Believe it or not, 80GB will fill up fast. Consider a 160MB drive.
Yes, was mentioned by another also, will look at larger HD

>
>> Belkin F8E885-BLK Enhanced Keyboard PS/2 104Keys -RETAIL
>> Specifications:
>> Interface: PS/2
>> Number Of Keys: 104 keys + 3 Function keys
>> Wireless Technology: N/A
>> Palm Rest: Detachable
>> Design Style:Standard
>> Features: The aerodynamic design of the Belkin Enhanced Keyboard
>> complements your home or office and provides a smooth, comfortable
>> typing surface. more info->         N82E16823154005
>> $14.00
>
>Wow... You really are building a budget machine...
Was considering the $5 keyboards they have... not really... but I can
always use keyboard from exhisting system if this isn't satisfactory.
Not sure exactly what determines a good keyboard. I don't type 100wpm
and am not gaming so it seems like anything with keys should be
sufficient?

>
>> TOSHIBA 8X Black DVD±RW Internal Drive, Model SD-R5272 BLACK, OEM
>> Specifications:
>> Write Speed: 8X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 8X DVD-R, 4X DVD-RW, 32X CD-R, 10X
>> CD-RW
>> Read Speed: 40X CD-ROM, 12X DVD-ROM
>> Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
>> Buffer: 2MB
>> OS Support: Windows XP/2000/Me/98SE
>> Features: Horizontal or Vertical Mount
>> Packaging: OEM (see pictures for details) more info->
>> N82E16827130020
>> $54.00
>
>For just a little more, you can get a Pioneer 16X +_R with 4X Dual Layer.
>
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>
>I just want to say something here... It's one thing to build a machine on a
>budget. It's another to be so cheap about it that your system is outdated
>as soon as you build it.
>
>The keyboard you selected is probably only worth the $14 you'll pay for it.
>If you want to avoid paying for extras like media buttons and such,
>Microsoft and Logitech make keyboards that will fill the bill and are of
>much higher quality, often, than those budget keyboards.
>
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>
>The same goes for everything else. I know New Egg is a very good place to
>get parts, but there are others too, particularly ZipZoomFly, where I order
>the majority of my stuff. If you shop around carefully, you can get much
>better parts and still keep the price very reasonable. I really think you
>can do better than this system on such a limited budget.
>
>> Microsoft Windows XP Professional With Service Pack 2 -OEM
>>
>> $146.00
>
>What does XP Professional give you that you want, that XP Home does not? You
>don't need SMP support. You don't need all those professional level
>administration tools. What do you need that you're willing to spend the
>extra money for?
>
>> $859.53
>
>Here's my recommendations:
>
>MSI K8N NEO-FSR nForce3 250gb Athlon 64 Skt754 DDR ATX Motherboard w/Audio,
>Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA Retail ***Free 2nd Day***
> 800FSB, ATA/133, AGP 8X, 3DDR DIMM, 5PCI, USB 2.0, Audio, Gigabit LAN,
>RAID/SATA
>$92
>
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>
>AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Processor Socket 754 Retail *** Free 2nd Day ***
> w/Fan and Heatsink, 3 Years Manufacturer Warranty (FREE 10-pack 48X CD-R
>Media)
>$188
>
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>
>Antec Sonata Quiet Mid Tower Case (Piano Black) Retail
> w/380W Power Supply
>$99
>
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>
>eVGA e-GeForce 6600 PCI Express 128MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI Retail
>***Free 2nd Day*** (This is PCI Express, but AGP should be out next couple
>of weeks)
>$139
>
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>
>Pioneer DVR108 16X Dual Layer DVD Bare Drive (Black) ***Free 2nd Day***
>$79.99
>
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>
>Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ST3160827AS 160GB Serial ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive
>w/8MB Buffer ***Free 2nd Day***
> w/Native Command Queuing Technology
>$119
>
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>
>Corsair CMX512-3200C2 512MB DDR400 PC3200 XMS Memory w/Heat Spreader Retail
>*** Free 2nd Day ***
> Lifetime Warranty
>$103.90
>
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>
>Logitech Optical Desktop & Optical Wheel Mouse (Black) *** Free 2nd Day ***
>$26
>
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>
>Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Single Full Version OEM *** Free 2nd Day
>***
>$86.99
>
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
>
>Total: $934
>
>This is a much better system than you spec'd out, for only $75 more money.
>You get what you pay for, in the end.

Will definitly look this list over and consider it. Haven't looked at
ZZF either. Will check them out.

Thank you very much for taking the time to look this over. I didn't
realize when I started looking into this just how much time it would
take to read up on all of the different components. Gets to the point
of new info overload, so thanks for the nudge in the right direction.

Mike
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 22, 2004 7:16:36 AM

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oo Mike oo:

> http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1082766
>
> Before I order parts for this system, anyone have any comments on
> this? Its my first time building a machine. Any newbie mistakes I'm
> making?

I don't see any problems. I might make different choices in some cases
but there is nothing wrong with your choices. One of the posts
recommended a motherboard and video card combination that are
incompatible. Be careful with the recommendations and make sure they are
compatible with each other and are consistant with the goal you have.

> This will be my primary home machine replacing an old gateway2000
> 500MHz. Will do some photoshop and graphics but not everyday. Also
> microsoft office, emailing etc. No gaming to speak of.

Sound like you don't upgrade very often so don't be afraid to spend a
little extra (go for a 16x dual layer DVD burner like the NEC3500
instead of the 8x single layer burner you chose).

> Would like the system to be quiet.

http://www.overclockers.com/tips1099/

> Convenient ports in front to connect camera or other devices.

The case you picked has 'em.

> This graphics card ok? Its on the low end of the price range. What
> shortcoming will I notice from this vid card?

None, cards come in a variety of flavors to fit the budgets of gamers.
If you don't game and don't need a specialized card, the 9200SE will
serve as well as any.
--
Mac Cool
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 22, 2004 9:52:52 AM

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:01:36 -0500, Ruel Smith
<NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote:

>kony wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:06:15 -0000, "Hamman"
>> <none@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> ASUS ATI RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 128M DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP,
>>>> $48.00
>>>
>>>Bit of a let down there...go for a least an nVidia FX5700
>>
>> There is no benefit to spending more for a FX5700 since
>> there is no gaming.
>
>Yes, there is, since the user just might get into gaming sometime later. No
>reason to go overboard, but a somewhat better card for just a few mor bucks
>should do fine.

Err, buying for something expressly not needed, just in case
someday it is?? If that's the case, WHERE would it ever
end?
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 22, 2004 11:50:53 AM

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> Err, buying for something expressly not needed, just in case
> someday it is?? If that's the case, WHERE would it ever
> end?

Buying a Hummer?
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 22, 2004 5:02:40 PM

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"Al Smith" <invalid@address.com> wrote in message
news:NLhod.183359$Np3.7413231@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > Err, buying for something expressly not needed, just in case
> > someday it is?? If that's the case, WHERE would it ever
> > end?
>
> Buying a Hummer?

Buying a M1A1 !
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 23, 2004 4:40:10 AM

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Ruel Smith:

>> There is no benefit to spending more for a FX5700 since
>> there is no gaming.
>
> a somewhat better card for just a few mor bucks should do fine.

A 5700 is about 2.5x the cost of a 5200. Maybe a few bucks to you but
proportionally a waste of money to a non-gamer. The 5700 is marginal for
gaming now, below par IMO. If the OP does get into gaming later, he would
be better off waiting to buy a gaming card when he needs it.
--
Mac Cool
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
November 23, 2004 4:40:11 AM

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Mac Cool wrote:

>>> There is no benefit to spending more for a FX5700 since
>>> there is no gaming.
>>
>> a somewhat better card for just a few mor bucks should do fine.
>
> A 5700 is about 2.5x the cost of a 5200. Maybe a few bucks to you but
> proportionally a waste of money to a non-gamer. The 5700 is marginal for
> gaming now, below par IMO. If the OP does get into gaming later, he would
> be better off waiting to buy a gaming card when he needs it.

To each his own, but I'd rather spend a little more on a nicer card, knowing
it'll cover any needs I may have in the forseeable future, than to purchase
for the now only to possibly spend more money later.

I understand your, and others, point because I knew this Linux computer
wasn't going to be a gaming machine, so I put in an FX5200 in it. I game on
my Windows machine and spent plenty for the Ti4600 card that was the
latest/greatest at the time of purchase.

Besides, I never said to buy the 5700 card and you can get better bargains
than you claim on that card. I guarantee the day after Thanksgiving, Best
Buy has a rediculous deal on a much better graphics card for early
shoppers. My brother bought a Radeon 9600 card just last year for $60 after
rebates. It was a steal...
!