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"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
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> ©olin wrote:
>
> > Around three years ago I built a good Athlon system using the best
> > motherboard with the cheapest/slowest processor available, with the
> > intension of upgrading to higher speeds as the prices dropped. The
> > processor was a 550Mhz Slot A. Unfortunately the Slot A was dropped in
> > favour of the Socket A soon after. This meant that I would have to buy
> > another motherboard. I have since upgraded all the peripheral items and
> > now have to think about a new motherboard, processor and memory. I am
> > moving abroad around next Easter time, and would like to improve my
system
> > before I go. (The extra speed would be useful for graphics/video work.)
> > The obvious choice would be the Athlon 64. However, the Socket 939
> > processors are too expensive, and I am concerned that I would fall in
the
> > same trap with the socket 745's as I did with the Slot A. An alternative
> > would be to go for a cheaper Athlon XP to tide me over until the 939's
> > dropped to a more reasonable price. Could I then use the memory bought
for
> > the XP on a 939 board? I only occasionally play slower strategy games,
but
> > would not like to completely rule out the possibility of playing more
> > demanding games some time in the future.
> >
> > Any thoughts or suggestions please!
>
> Okay, here's my take: First of all, you need to be concerned over the
PCI-e
> slot. Both nVidia and ATi have announced that there will not be any future
> generations of graphics cards designed for the AGP slot. That could
change.
> However, as it sits, when new graphics cards are developed, unless you
have
> a PCI-e 16 slot, you're SOL. Now the PCI-e 1 slots, that's a different
> story. I'm not sure that anything is currently even available for them. If
> so, it's very limited. Besides, what do you really add to your computer
> these days? With onboard sound, LAN, and wireless and the fact that
> software decoding has made hardware DVD decoders obsolete, you'd be hard
> pressed to think of anything to add to your system unless you're building
a
> home recording studio or something. So, you're safe with PCI slots, for
> now. Only the socket 939 boards offer a PCI-e configuration, and it's only
> in the latest chipsets like the nForce 4 and the KT880 Pro chipsets, so
> they're likely the more expensive boards on the market.
>
> The Socket 754 has a single advantage, though. Some Athlon 64 CPU's for
this
> socket feature the coveted 1 MB level 2 cache. This is essentially what
> separates the FX processors from the lesser Athlon 64 in the socket 939
> setup. However, many socket 754 Athlon 64's came with 1 MB cache.
>
>
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9487^10248,00.html
>
> There are now more affordable Athlon 64 processors for the Socket 939. You
> can get a retail 3000+ for around $150. That's just slightly more than the
> cost of a 2800+ XP in retail form, which goes for around $140. That's a
> no-brainer. However, motherboard cost is another issue. You can get an
Asus
> A8V Deluxe for $120, but it has AGP and not PCI-e. I can't find any nForce
> 4 or KT880 Pro boards on the retail market, which give PCI-e slots.
> However, when they do hit, expect to pay a premium. A good Athlon XP board
> will set you back only about $70. However, the performance of the Athlon
64
> more than justifies the additional cost.
>
> So, that leaves the Athlon XP. It's cheap, boards are cheap, and it's
plenty
> fast enough, still. In fact, I built such a system 3 months ago, which I'm
> writing from now. However, prices have dropped on Athlon 64 boards and
> CPU's in recent months, and are now very reasonable. You could get a
Athlon
> 64 3000+ for less then $150 (retail), and get a good motherboard for about
> $120. That, coupled with the expected 20% speed increase for the Athlon 64
> with Windows XP-64's release (March?), makes the Athlon XP much less
> desireable than it once was. The lifespan of the socket 754 is limited and
> those boards aren't that much cheaper (about $20 less) than socket 939
> boards. So, I'd suggest avoiding the socket 754 variety.
>
> So, in closing, I suggest that if you want PCI-e, you need to spend the
> money and get a socket 939 board that as the nForce 4 or the KT880 Pro
> chipset. They won't be cheap, and they're not readily availble yet, unless
> you're working for a website that reviews them. The Socket 754 board is
> really on its way out, and though boards are still slightly cheaper than
> the 939 counterpart, and certain 754 CPU's have double the L2 cache, the
> socket 939 seems to be the way to go. Your biggest decision is whether or
> not you are willing to upgrade to a PCI-e graphics card while you upgrade.
> Bear in mind, though, that at some point, you're going to have to upgrade
> both a motherboard and graphics card. It's either biting the bitter pill
> now, or taking your medicine later. It's your choice.
Thanks for all the information - very useful.
Decisions, decisions! My brain hurts
))
Colin
>