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hi,
x-posted
i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
3000+ cpu)
not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
cards)...
i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
pci slots...
(i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
thank you in advance!

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Tanya wrote:

> hi,
> x-posted
> i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
> 3000+ cpu)
> not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
> cards)...
> i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
> pci slots...
> (i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
> thank you in advance!

Best brand, which is almost universally recognized as so, is Asus. However,
they do not make a PCI-e based motherboard that isn't SLI. MSI is also a
good brand, and I think they're the current supplier for Dell, if that
tells you anything about how good their products are. They have an nForce 4
board that has only a single PCI-e 16 slot for graphics - the K8N Neo4-F:

http://www.msicomputer.com/product [...] F&class=mb

New Egg has the board for $94 + $4 shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/app/SearchPr [...] =Go&DEPA=0

My favorite online retailer, ZipZoomFly, has it for $92 + free shipping:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Prod [...] ode=241163


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> i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
> 3000+ cpu)
> not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
> cards)...
> i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
> pci slots...
> (i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
> thank you in advance!

What will you be using the PC for if not for gaming?
Are you interested in a motherboard with built-in
video to save $$$ right now? You are right about
most PCI Express boards not having as many PCI
slots as AGP ones (typically a max of 3). How
many do you need?

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E-mail: kc@kc-computers.com Web: www.kc-computers.com
Internet dealer since 1991!!! See WWW.RESELLERRATINGS.COM!!!

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if that
tells you anything about how good their products are.


Good? nope "cheap"

"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:49_Yd.473$185.423@fe37.usenetserver.com...
> Tanya wrote:
>
>> hi,
>> x-posted
>> i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
>> 3000+ cpu)
>> not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
>> cards)...
>> i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
>> pci slots...
>> (i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
>> thank you in advance!
>
> Best brand, which is almost universally recognized as so, is Asus.
> However,
> they do not make a PCI-e based motherboard that isn't SLI. MSI is also a
> good brand, and I think they're the current supplier for Dell, if that
> tells you anything about how good their products are. They have an nForce
> 4
> board that has only a single PCI-e 16 slot for graphics - the K8N Neo4-F:
>
> http://www.msicomputer.com/product [...] F&class=mb
>
> New Egg has the board for $94 + $4 shipping:
>
> http://www.newegg.com/app/SearchPr [...] =Go&DEPA=0
>
> My favorite online retailer, ZipZoomFly, has it for $92 + free shipping:
>
> http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Prod [...] ode=241163
>
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193
>

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mainboard option variities will become much better when the platform becomes
more popular. Right now your dealing with the 'beta' versions of boards to
come.


"Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:42346919.7A41D8C9@attglobal.net...
> hi,
> x-posted
> i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
> 3000+ cpu)
> not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
> cards)...
> i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
> pci slots...
> (i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
> thank you in advance!
>

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hi Ruel,
[...below...]

Ruel Smith wrote:

> Tanya wrote:
>
> > hi,
> > x-posted
> > i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
> > 3000+ cpu)
> > not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
> > cards)...
> > i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
> > pci slots...
> > (i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
> > thank you in advance!
>
> Best brand, which is almost universally recognized as so, is Asus. However,
> they do not make a PCI-e based motherboard that isn't SLI. MSI is also a
> good brand, and I think they're the current supplier for Dell, if that
> tells you anything about how good their products are. They have an nForce 4
> board that has only a single PCI-e 16 slot for graphics - the K8N Neo4-F:
>
> http://www.msicomputer.com/product [...] F&class=mb
>
> New Egg has the board for $94 + $4 shipping:
>
> http://www.newegg.com/app/SearchPr [...] =Go&DEPA=0
>
> My favorite online retailer, ZipZoomFly, has it for $92 + free shipping:
>
> http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Prod [...] ode=241163
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193

hi Ruel,
the msi board looks good!
thanks
sincerely
Tanya

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hi and thanks,
[...below...]

KC Computers wrote:

> > i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
> > 3000+ cpu)
> > not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
> > cards)...
> > i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
> > pci slots...
> > (i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
> > thank you in advance!
>
> What will you be using the PC for if not for gaming?

internet, photo editing (low key), scanning drawings...
(i'd assume that if it was good for gaming it would be a good pc all around?)

> Are you interested in a motherboard with built-in
> video to save $$$ right now?

yes however, i heard that the amd-boards with onBoard video have poor video
(compared to intel onboard)
(i am using a pmmx (200mhz) currently w/ onboard video and 2 mb's of video
ram) and it has a good display.
i would like to consider some amd-based boards with onboard video (plus i
assume like intel, one could get a card if necessary)

> You are right about
> most PCI Express boards not having as many PCI
> slots as AGP ones (typically a max of 3). How
> many do you need?

at least 2 but likely more (i think 3 is good) i don't know what pci-e, pci-e
x4 are for...

> ---
> Kevin Chalker, Owner KC COMPUTERS
> E-mail: kc@kc-computers.com Web: www.kc-computers.com
> Internet dealer since 1991!!! See WWW.RESELLERRATINGS.COM!!!

thanks,
sincerely
Tanya

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JAD wrote:

> mainboard option variities will become much better when the platform becomes
> more popular. Right now your dealing with the 'beta' versions of boards to
> come.

are there any brands that are a bit more *advanced*?

>
>
> "Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:42346919.7A41D8C9@attglobal.net...
> > hi,
> > x-posted
> > i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
> > 3000+ cpu)
> > not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
> > cards)...
> > i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
> > pci slots...
> > (i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
> > thank you in advance!
> >

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for what puposes? 'not gaming' leaves what, office apps, graphics, video
editing? you don't really need 'advanced' for this kind of stuff. PCI -e is,
for now, the new interface for video.

"Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:42347FB4.17F11398@attglobal.net...
> JAD wrote:
>
>> mainboard option variities will become much better when the platform
>> becomes
>> more popular. Right now your dealing with the 'beta' versions of boards
>> to
>> come.
>
> are there any brands that are a bit more *advanced*?
>
>>
>>
>> "Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:42346919.7A41D8C9@attglobal.net...
>> > hi,
>> > x-posted
>> > i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
>> > 3000+ cpu)
>> > not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
>> > cards)...
>> > i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have
>> > more
>> > pci slots...
>> > (i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
>> > thank you in advance!
>> >
>
>
>
>

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I presume that you're referring to a Socket 939 A64. (The other choice would
be Socket 754, which can give slightly less expensive system. Socket 754
seems to be "being phased out", but there are still lots of mainboards on
the market.)

If you don't want SLI, there may not be much point in getting a PCI-E
mainboard at this time. AGP is still in the mainstream, and I've read
nothing that indicates that first-generation PCI-E graphics cards offer
performance advantages over AGP.

I suggest that you not worry about obsolescence, as it's unavoidable, but
rather aim for performance and reliability.

My current machine uses an Asus A8V Deluxe mainboard. It's AGP, with 5 PCI
slots. (I'm using an Audigy 2 sound card, even though the board has
multichannnel onboard audio. The onboard gigabit NIC is adequate to use with
my 4 Mb/s cable modem connection.) If you buy one of these, Revision 2 is
supposed to be better, although the differences may never be obvious if you
don't overclock. I have my A8V Rev 2 for quite a while - about 6 months.

If you want PCI-E graphics but not SLI, there's the A8V-E, which uses the
newer K8T890 chipset. (It has only 3 PCI slots, plus two PCI-E X1 slots.
Cards for the latter don't seem to be common yet.)

If you wish to get overwhelmed, go to www.newegg.com. Search for AMD
mainboards using Socket 939. I imagine that the boards with the highest
performance at the moment use the nVidia nForce 4 chipsets. The vanilla
nForce 4 doesn't support SLI. Abit and Microstar have favorable reputations,
and DFI is becoming popular with overclockers. I like Asus, but they don't
appear to have a non-SLI nForce 4 board.

Good luck.

Bob Knowlden

Address may be scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.

"Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:42346919.7A41D8C9@attglobal.net...
> hi,
> x-posted
> i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
> 3000+ cpu)
> not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
> cards)...
> i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
> pci slots...
> (i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
> thank you in advance!
>

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Suddenly, without warning, Ruel Smith exclaimed (3/13/2005 4:50 PM):
> Tanya wrote:
>
>
>>hi,
>>x-posted
>>i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
>>3000+ cpu)
>>not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
>>cards)...
>>i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
>>pci slots...
>>(i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
>>thank you in advance!
>
>
> Best brand, which is almost universally recognized as so, is Asus.

I second the Asus recommendation. I have a K8V-Deluxe, it's been
rock-solid for over a year. No problems at all.

Perhaps this one?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 490&depa=0

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for the clueless, whats sli?



Bob Knowlden wrote:
> I presume that you're referring to a Socket 939 A64. (The other choice would
> be Socket 754, which can give slightly less expensive system. Socket 754
> seems to be "being phased out", but there are still lots of mainboards on
> the market.)
>
> If you don't want SLI, there may not be much point in getting a PCI-E
> mainboard at this time. AGP is still in the mainstream, and I've read
> nothing that indicates that first-generation PCI-E graphics cards offer
> performance advantages over AGP.
>
> I suggest that you not worry about obsolescence, as it's unavoidable, but
> rather aim for performance and reliability.
>
> My current machine uses an Asus A8V Deluxe mainboard. It's AGP, with 5 PCI
> slots. (I'm using an Audigy 2 sound card, even though the board has
> multichannnel onboard audio. The onboard gigabit NIC is adequate to use with
> my 4 Mb/s cable modem connection.) If you buy one of these, Revision 2 is
> supposed to be better, although the differences may never be obvious if you
> don't overclock. I have my A8V Rev 2 for quite a while - about 6 months.
>
> If you want PCI-E graphics but not SLI, there's the A8V-E, which uses the
> newer K8T890 chipset. (It has only 3 PCI slots, plus two PCI-E X1 slots.
> Cards for the latter don't seem to be common yet.)
>
> If you wish to get overwhelmed, go to www.newegg.com. Search for AMD
> mainboards using Socket 939. I imagine that the boards with the highest
> performance at the moment use the nVidia nForce 4 chipsets. The vanilla
> nForce 4 doesn't support SLI. Abit and Microstar have favorable reputations,
> and DFI is becoming popular with overclockers. I like Asus, but they don't
> appear to have a non-SLI nForce 4 board.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Bob Knowlden
>
> Address may be scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.
>
> "Tanya" <tjtmdREMOVE_THIS@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:42346919.7A41D8C9@attglobal.net...
>
>>hi,
>>x-posted
>>i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
>>3000+ cpu)
>>not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
>>cards)...
>>i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
>>pci slots...
>>(i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
>>thank you in advance!
>>
>
>
>

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Tanya wrote:

>> mainboard option variities will become much better when the platform
>> becomes more popular. Right now your dealing with the 'beta' versions of
>> boards to come.
>
> are there any brands that are a bit more *advanced*?

What Jad has said is true. As a matter of fact, the new generation of Athlon
64's have trouble with nForce boards, as they've changed something. No word
if this affects Via based boards, yet.

http://theinquirer.net/?article=21780

One would think that new drivers might fix the issue, but apparently, it's
firmware related and not easily solved without changing motherboards.

However, you cannot wait forever. By the time they iron out any problems
that might have occurred in a particular chipset/motherboard, new
technology is released. Dual core Athlon 64's will appear in the second
half of this year, which is about the time revision 2 boards of the current
offerings may appear. But, by then, you'll pay less for what will be
considered, at the time, "old technology". The only way you can be assured
of not having any problems at all is buying yesterday's technology. Then,
you usually feel as if you're getting less for your money. For instance,
Athlon 64's are now about as cheap as Athlon XP's. Even the motherboards
are now about as cheap. That begs the question why you would even build an
Athlon XP board even if it's as reliable as it could be.

You'll never get ahead of the game. You're either on the cutting edge, or
you're hardware will feel outdated fairly quickly. You can't wait forever
for tomorrow's technology, but today's technology will soon be obsolete.
You just can't win.


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jmc wrote:

> Suddenly, without warning, Ruel Smith exclaimed (3/13/2005 4:50 PM):
> > Tanya wrote:
> >
> >
> >>hi,
> >>x-posted
> >>i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
> >>3000+ cpu)
> >>not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
> >>cards)...
> >>i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
> >>pci slots...
> >>(i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
> >>thank you in advance!
> >
> >
> > Best brand, which is almost universally recognized as so, is Asus.
>
> I second the Asus recommendation. I have a K8V-Deluxe, it's been
> rock-solid for over a year. No problems at all.
>
> Perhaps this one?
>
> http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 490&depa=0

hi,
sorry, i did not specify a s939...
i was looking at a similar asus board (for s939) however there was only options
for 2 sata devices (total)
thanks
sincerely
Tanya