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Anonymous
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July 26, 2005 12:45:07 PM

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just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
what can be done??
zz
Anonymous
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July 26, 2005 12:45:08 PM

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zz wrote:

> just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
> home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
> we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
> windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
> what can be done??
> zz

XP defaults to 800x600 60Hz (and that's the minimum 'normal' setting in
Display Properties) but your 14 inch monitor likely can't handle more than
640x480 60Hz or if it can handle 800x600 only at less than 60Hz refresh,
either 56 Hz or 43/86 interlaced. Note that the display card must also
support the refresh rate and many don't support interlaced and some don't
support less than 60 Hz either.

Push F8 when you boot and select enable VGA mode to get 640x480 60Hz. Then
set the Display Properties once you're in to something the monitor can handle.
July 26, 2005 4:12:16 PM

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its not XP, its your video adapter and its resolution and the inability for
your monitor to accept its lowest settings.


"zz" <jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com> wrote in message
news:42e7f73f.4891413@news-server...
> just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
> home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
> we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
> windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
> what can be done??
> zz
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Anonymous
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July 26, 2005 5:58:33 PM

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In article <42e7f73f.4891413@news-server>, zz says...
> just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
> home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
> we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
> windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
> what can be done??
> zz
>
THat's because the monitor is a very old one and probably only supports
640x480.

Monitors are dirt cheap. www.itdealers.co.uk will do you a 17" one for
under £30 - £17.50 if you're really stingy.

--
Conor

-You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room
K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python)
Anonymous
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July 26, 2005 8:01:14 PM

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I would recommend getting a standard sized monitor (such as a 17").

--
DaveW



"zz" <jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com> wrote in message
news:42e7f73f.4891413@news-server...
> just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
> home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
> we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
> windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
> what can be done??
> zz
Anonymous
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July 26, 2005 8:19:22 PM

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"zz" <jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com> wrote in message
news:42e7f73f.4891413@news-server...
> just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
> home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
> we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
> windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
> what can be done??
> zz

Flip the monitor around and get all the details about the manufacturer
from the label on the back by the power cord. Then go to
http://www.monitorworld.com and research the abilities of the monitor.

Display Properties > Settings tab > Advanced button > Adapter tab > List
All Modes button > scroll up to 640x480 at 60Hz. Once you get that
working with a normal boot, you can try various other sizes and
frequencies. If the monitor can't display one, it should revert to
640x480 at 60 after 15 seconds.

--
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Anonymous
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July 26, 2005 9:05:46 PM

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zz wrote:
> just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
> home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
> we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
> windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
> what can be done??
> zz

Sounds like the refresh or resolution are set too high in normal mode.
Have you tried booting into VGA mode (safe mode menu area) and setting
the display settings appropriately there and then saving them?

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transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
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Anonymous
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July 27, 2005 12:03:35 AM

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Conor wrote:
> In article <42e7f73f.4891413@news-server>, zz says...
>
>>just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
>>home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
>>we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
>>windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
>>what can be done??
>>zz
>>
>
> THat's because the monitor is a very old one and probably only supports
> 640x480.
>
> Monitors are dirt cheap. www.itdealers.co.uk will do you a 17" one for
> under £30 - £17.50 if you're really stingy.
>

Hey, you can have my old 17inch ADI for £30.

--

Bob H
Leeds UK
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July 27, 2005 6:21:25 PM

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JAD wrote:
> its not XP, its your video adapter and its resolution and the inability for
> your monitor to accept its lowest settings.
>

No, they can see windows in safe mode, so obviously the monitor and card
can work together. Further, if they can see the POST screen then the
monitor and card are fine. It's an XP thing and I've had to deal with it
on two occaisions this week when people switched from CRT to LCD
monitors and windows refused to auto-detect the change (but not vice versa).

>
> "zz" <jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com> wrote in message
> news:42e7f73f.4891413@news-server...
>
>>just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
>>home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
>>we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
>>windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
>>what can be done??
>>zz
>
>
>


--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
July 27, 2005 6:21:26 PM

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wrong it sees it in safe mode because its using 'standard VGA' if you want
that then your not 'really' using your adapter and the color will be jacked.
Its not XP, I have had it happen on every windows made.

"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
news:42e727ec$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
> JAD wrote:
> > its not XP, its your video adapter and its resolution and the inability
for
> > your monitor to accept its lowest settings.
> >
>
> No, they can see windows in safe mode, so obviously the monitor and card
> can work together. Further, if they can see the POST screen then the
> monitor and card are fine. It's an XP thing and I've had to deal with it
> on two occaisions this week when people switched from CRT to LCD
> monitors and windows refused to auto-detect the change (but not vice
versa).
>
> >
> > "zz" <jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com> wrote in message
> > news:42e7f73f.4891413@news-server...
> >
> >>just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
> >>home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
> >>we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
> >>windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
> >>what can be done??
> >>zz
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo
>
> I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
> neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
> hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
> marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
> transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
> http://www.abmdr.org.au/
> http://www.marrow.org/
Anonymous
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July 27, 2005 6:21:27 PM

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JAD wrote:
> wrong it sees it in safe mode because its using 'standard VGA' if you want
> that then your not 'really' using your adapter and the color will be jacked.
> Its not XP, I have had it happen on every windows made.

The reason they only see it in safe mode is because XP defaults to 800x600
minimum. If they set it to 640x480 60Hz (or a 800x600 56Hz or interlaced
mode if the monitor supports it) they can also set the color depth to the
whole rainbow.


>
> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
> news:42e727ec$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
>
>>JAD wrote:
>>
>>>its not XP, its your video adapter and its resolution and the inability
>
> for
>
>>>your monitor to accept its lowest settings.
>>>
>>
>>No, they can see windows in safe mode, so obviously the monitor and card
>>can work together. Further, if they can see the POST screen then the
>>monitor and card are fine. It's an XP thing and I've had to deal with it
>>on two occaisions this week when people switched from CRT to LCD
>>monitors and windows refused to auto-detect the change (but not vice
>
> versa).
>
>>>"zz" <jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com> wrote in message
>>>news:42e7f73f.4891413@news-server...
>>>
>>>
>>>>just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
>>>>home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
>>>>we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
>>>>windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
>>>>what can be done??
>>>>zz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo
>>
>>I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
>>neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
>>hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
>>marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
>>transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
>>http://www.abmdr.org.au/
>>http://www.marrow.org/
>
>
>
Anonymous
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July 28, 2005 12:14:35 AM

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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:45:07 GMT, jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com (zz)
wrote:

>just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
>home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
>we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
>windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
>what can be done??
>zz


Are you using a proper driver for the video or just the
windows-bundled "lite" driver? Try the proper driver and
adjust the refresh rate down as low as possible while in
safe mode.
Anonymous
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July 28, 2005 3:44:00 AM

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JAD wrote:
> wrong it sees it in safe mode because its using 'standard VGA' if you want
> that then your not 'really' using your adapter and the color will be jacked.
> Its not XP, I have had it happen on every windows made.

You said "inability accept its lowest settings", and the fact that it
can be seen proves otherwise. Perhaps you meant something different
about the driver's lowest settings, but that's not what you wrote.

>
> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
> news:42e727ec$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
>
>>JAD wrote:
>>
>>>its not XP, its your video adapter and its resolution and the inability
>
> for
>
>>>your monitor to accept its lowest settings.
>>>
>>
>>No, they can see windows in safe mode, so obviously the monitor and card
>>can work together. Further, if they can see the POST screen then the
>>monitor and card are fine. It's an XP thing and I've had to deal with it
>>on two occaisions this week when people switched from CRT to LCD
>>monitors and windows refused to auto-detect the change (but not vice
>
> versa).
>
>>>"zz" <jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com> wrote in message
>>>news:42e7f73f.4891413@news-server...
>>>
>>>
>>>>just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
>>>>home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
>>>>we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
>>>>windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
>>>>what can be done??
>>>>zz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo
>>
>>I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
>>neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
>>hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
>>marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
>>transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
>>http://www.abmdr.org.au/
>>http://www.marrow.org/
>
>
>


--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
July 28, 2005 3:44:01 AM

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"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
news:42e7ac11$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
> JAD wrote:
> > wrong it sees it in safe mode because its using 'standard VGA' if you
want
> > that then your not 'really' using your adapter and the color will be
jacked.
> > Its not XP, I have had it happen on every windows made.
>
> You said "inability accept its lowest settings", and the fact that it
> can be seen proves otherwise. Perhaps you meant something different
> about the driver's lowest settings, but that's not what you wrote.
>

sigh


if you are using standard VGA u are not using the adapters driver. although
it is SEEN in safe mode, its size is jacked AND the color is degraded. I did
not say anything about a driver...I said the ADAPTERS lowest settings (using
the adapters driver). Again you are NOT using the adapters driver when you
are at standard VGA in safe mode.



> >
> > "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
> > news:42e727ec$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
> >
> >>JAD wrote:
> >>
> >>>its not XP, its your video adapter and its resolution and the inability
> >
> > for
> >
> >>>your monitor to accept its lowest settings.
> >>>
> >>
> >>No, they can see windows in safe mode, so obviously the monitor and card
> >>can work together. Further, if they can see the POST screen then the
> >>monitor and card are fine. It's an XP thing and I've had to deal with it
> >>on two occaisions this week when people switched from CRT to LCD
> >>monitors and windows refused to auto-detect the change (but not vice
> >
> > versa).
> >
> >>>"zz" <jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:42e7f73f.4891413@news-server...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
> >>>>home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
> >>>>we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
> >>>>windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
> >>>>what can be done??
> >>>>zz
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo
> >>
> >>I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
> >>neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
> >>hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
> >>marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
> >>transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
> >>http://www.abmdr.org.au/
> >>http://www.marrow.org/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo
>
> I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
> neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
> hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
> marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
> transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
> http://www.abmdr.org.au/
> http://www.marrow.org/
Anonymous
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July 28, 2005 5:46:56 AM

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JAD wrote:
> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
> news:42e7ac11$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
>
>>JAD wrote:
>>
>>>wrong it sees it in safe mode because its using 'standard VGA' if you
>
> want
>
>>>that then your not 'really' using your adapter and the color will be
>
> jacked.
>
>>>Its not XP, I have had it happen on every windows made.
>>
>>You said "inability accept its lowest settings", and the fact that it
>>can be seen proves otherwise. Perhaps you meant something different
>>about the driver's lowest settings, but that's not what you wrote.
>>
>
>
> sigh
>
>
> if you are using standard VGA u are not using the adapters driver.

That was my point. You said that the video card was not compatible with
their monitor. That is false. If it were true you would not get a usable
image, even in safe mode. You could not even see the POST screens. You
said it was the adapter, and you are obviously wrong.

> although
> it is SEEN in safe mode, its size is jacked AND the color is degraded.

Because the settings in XP are the problem, not the adapter. You won't
get great views with that old monitor, but there is no hardware
incompatibility like you claimed.

> I did
> not say anything about a driver...I said the ADAPTERS lowest settings (using
> the adapters driver).

That's true, you didn't say anything about a driver. You claimed a
hardware incompatibility where there was none, and now you're trying to
weasel out of it and are now making claims about the driver. Adding
those claims after the fact in parentheses when I'm the one who
mentioned what you were REALLY trying to say is a bit transparent.

> Again you are NOT using the adapters driver when you
> are at standard VGA in safe mode.

Exactly my point: the hardware incompatibility that you claimed does not
exist. You were wrong. The video adapter can provide settings that are
usable, if not, there would be no visible POST screen and no viewable
image in safe mode. Michael and I have both corrected you. I even gave
you a way out, seeing as you have this terrible inability to admit a
mistake of typing. Then you go and contradict yourself in the same
sentence, making you look like a blork.
>
>
>
>
>>>"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
>>>news:42e727ec$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>>>JAD wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>its not XP, its your video adapter and its resolution and the inability
>>>
>>>for
>>>
>>>
>>>>>your monitor to accept its lowest settings.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No, they can see windows in safe mode, so obviously the monitor and card
>>>>can work together. Further, if they can see the POST screen then the
>>>>monitor and card are fine. It's an XP thing and I've had to deal with it
>>>>on two occaisions this week when people switched from CRT to LCD
>>>>monitors and windows refused to auto-detect the change (but not vice
>>>
>>>versa).
>>>
>>>
>>>>>"zz" <jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:42e7f73f.4891413@news-server...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
>>>>>>home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
>>>>>>we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
>>>>>>windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
>>>>>>what can be done??
>>>>>>zz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo
>>>>
>>>>I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
>>>>neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
>>>>hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
>>>>marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
>>>>transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
>>>>http://www.abmdr.org.au/
>>>>http://www.marrow.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo
>>
>>I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
>>neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
>>hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
>>marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
>>transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
>>http://www.abmdr.org.au/
>>http://www.marrow.org/
>
>
>


--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
July 28, 2005 5:46:57 AM

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>
> The OP already saw your info as incorrect. He even posted such. When you
> figure out the difference between hardware and software, please let us
know.

Uh huh....right you are in a dream world................ zz was the OP and
NEVER posted anything but the first post (other than the repeat).......get a
grip! You have officially made it to 'clueless' on this matter.
July 28, 2005 10:49:43 AM

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Too bad the OP hasn't responded. I know for a fact, that if he changes the
monitor, to just about anything other than a old 14 in. monitor, all would
be well. MUCH easier than finding a card that will work with it.

David, for some reason you were plonked again....nother 24hr post i would
assume.... so consequently did not see your insightful posts....however
misguided.............








"zz" <jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com> wrote in message
news:42e7f73f.4891413@news-server...
> just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
> home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
> we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
> windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
> what can be done??
> zz
July 28, 2005 11:42:48 AM

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> "zz" <jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com> wrote in message
> news:42e7f73f.4891413@news-server...
>> just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
>> home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
>> we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
>> windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
>> what can be done??
>> zz
>
>
"DaveW" <none@zero.org> wrote in message
news:LaWdnT9lUOIlXXvfRVn-gg@comcast.com...
>I would recommend getting a standard sized monitor (such as a 17").
>
> --
> DaveW
>
I remember when 14" was a standard size monitor! (almost the only size for
that matter)

SteveH
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July 28, 2005 1:00:44 PM

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JAD wrote:

> Too bad the OP hasn't responded. I know for a fact, that if he changes the
> monitor, to just about anything other than a old 14 in. monitor, all would
> be well.

A newer monitor would work, yes.

> MUCH easier than finding a card that will work with it.

Can you tell me of any particular card you've run across that won't do
640x480 60Hz?

>
> David, for some reason you were plonked again....nother 24hr post i would
> assume.... so consequently did not see your insightful posts....however
> misguided.............
>
>

What's a 24hr post?
July 28, 2005 6:16:19 PM

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JAD, <kapasitor@earthcharter.net>, the cholinergic, diarrheic curryaholic,
and person employed to decoy wild fowl and animals into a trap within
shooting range, tattled:

> Nothing. They still haven't gotten over my leather fetish.
Anonymous
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July 28, 2005 9:52:44 PM

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JAD wrote:
>>The OP already saw your info as incorrect. He even posted such. When you
>>figure out the difference between hardware and software, please let us
>
> know.
>
> Uh huh....right you are in a dream world................ zz was the OP and
> NEVER posted anything but the first post (other than the repeat).......get a
> grip! You have officially made it to 'clueless' on this matter.
>
>

Even David M has tried to explain this to you, twice. When you get
finished eith the ECT let us know and we'll send you get well soon cards.

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July 28, 2005 9:52:45 PM

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david,.... regardless of his 'I know everything' research technique doesn't
make him 100 percent correct 100 percent of the time. I have been through
this NUMEROUS times and it has NOTHING to do with XP.

"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
news:42e8aba6$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
> JAD wrote:
> >>The OP already saw your info as incorrect. He even posted such. When you
> >>figure out the difference between hardware and software, please let us
> >
> > know.
> >
> > Uh huh....right you are in a dream world................ zz was the OP
and
> > NEVER posted anything but the first post (other than the
repeat).......get a
> > grip! You have officially made it to 'clueless' on this matter.
> >
> >
>
> Even David M has tried to explain this to you, twice. When you get
> finished eith the ECT let us know and we'll send you get well soon cards.
>
> --
> spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo
>
> I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
> neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
> hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
> marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
> transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
> http://www.abmdr.org.au/
> http://www.marrow.org/
Anonymous
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July 29, 2005 1:38:49 AM

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To circumvent the urination tournament the thread has devolved into, I
suggest:

Boot in Safe Mode.

Set the display resolution to 800X600, at 60 Hz. (The color depth is
probably unimportant.) I believe that is the lowest resolution ordinarily
supported in XP.

Reboot into XP.

If the 14" monitor can't support 800X600 at 60 Hz, it's long past time to
retire it.

Once you get it running, it would be good to download and install the .inf
file for the monitor. (XP may already have one, for an old monitor.) That
would prevent you form selecting unsupported resolution/refresh rate, as
long as you have the "hide modes that this monitor cannot support" box
checked on the Monitor tab of the Advanced settings on the Display control
panel.


Address scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.

"zz" <jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com> wrote in message
news:42e7f73f.4891413@news-server...
> just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
> home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
> we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
> windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
> what can be done??
> zz
Anonymous
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July 29, 2005 1:39:35 AM

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JAD wrote:
> david,.... regardless of his 'I know everything' research technique doesn't
> make him 100 percent correct 100 percent of the time. I have been through
> this NUMEROUS times and it has NOTHING to do with XP.
>

Yeah, but he's right...again.

> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
> news:42e8aba6$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
>
>>JAD wrote:
>>
>>>>The OP already saw your info as incorrect. He even posted such. When you
>>>>figure out the difference between hardware and software, please let us
>>>
>>>know.
>>>
>>>Uh huh....right you are in a dream world................ zz was the OP
>
> and
>
>>>NEVER posted anything but the first post (other than the
>
> repeat).......get a
>
>>>grip! You have officially made it to 'clueless' on this matter.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Even David M has tried to explain this to you, twice. When you get
>>finished eith the ECT let us know and we'll send you get well soon cards.
>>
>>--
>>spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo
>>
>>I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
>>neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
>>hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
>>marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
>>transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
>>http://www.abmdr.org.au/
>>http://www.marrow.org/
>
>
>


--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
Anonymous
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July 29, 2005 4:07:48 AM

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JAD wrote:
> "David Maynard" <nospam@private.net> wrote in message
> news:11egd2f1uv21k67@corp.supernews.com...
>

>>That isn't correct. The card is capable of 640x480 at any supported color
>>depth. It's XP that defaults to 800x600 minimum (and has that as the
>>'minimum' on the slider bar) but even that is not a 'hard' limit and can
>>be changed. Enable VGA mode, which is not 'safe mode'. It's VGA mode, in
>>living color, just like every Windows version prior to XP supported. And
>>so does XP, albeit a bit grudgingly.
>>
>
>
> Yes saying it was 'not' using it was not the proper terminology, its lamed
> (seriously if its a decent card)although I know that even when you get a
> screen size to work, you try to raise the color depth and wham!, screen goes
> dark, black, and/or distorted. so you end up with not only 640x480 you get
> 256 or less color.

I don't know what you're referring to here with the 'wham'. Color depth
should have no effect on refresh rate.


> Then there is the minimum refresh rate the adapter can
> be adjusted to via the driver.

Yes, and that's the problem I mentioned with old monitors that support
800x600, or 1024x768, but only with below 60Hz refresh rates. Modern cards
often don't support those. But they all support "VGA" 640x480 60Hz.

> My 7500 AIW will get to the point where the
> LCD will work great. However the 128 rage AIW won't. Now you say that there
> is no 'refresh' rate for LCD's. Yes this is true of today's models, however
> this one does, and because I do not 'major' in LCDs, I cannot give the
> reason,
> but that's irrelevant any way. its an example of a low resolution monitor
> in analog mode and an adapter that will not work no matter the
> driver/setting. even in safe mode.

It's also an LCD and not a CRT. Plus, the poster already stated his
operates 640x480 because safe mode worked.


>>The card works at 640x480, the driver works at 640x480, and the monitor
>>works at 640x480. It's just that XP wants you to use 800x600, or higher,
>>so when you boot up 'normally' stubborn XP will set it no lower than it's
>>'recommended' 800x600 minimum resolution and you get a garbled display.
>
>
> Hmmm I do not have that problem with XP home.....however is this caused
> when you have all the bells and whistles enabled? I have a 640x480 setting
> in display properties currently....But I do remember NOT having it in the
> original setup/install.

Well, then, I'd say you changed something since the original setup/install
that enabled it.

However, that you have 640 on the slider is proof that XP can do it even
though the 'official' MS literature says SVGA 800x600 is 'required'.

>>Whether one wants to use XP in 640x480 mode is another matter but it's no
>>different than using Windows 2000 or Windows98 in 640x480 mode.
>
>
> That's what I was saying ---usable,

It's just as usable as any other Windows version was with 640x480.

> And even though you can get 640x480 most
> of the menu windows and cascades go off the screen either at the top or the
> bottom.

No, but the fat oversized menu bars take up more screen space so there's
less for 'useful' things but you can simply set the display 'appearance'
properties "windows and buttons" to 'standard' rather than 'XP'. Although I
notice they seem to have grayed that out with SP2 so you now have to go
into System Properties, Advanced, Performance Options, Visual Effects and
UNcheck "Use visual styles."

At any rate, XP can be easily made to look just like Win2000/Win9x, like
when that old monitor was 'new'.


>>>This
>>>is a very common scenario when using old monitors (even some older LCD's)
>>>with newer adapters. Sometimes you can get a setting that works but the
>>>screen is not centered at any resolution, or the picture rolls , This is
>>>unacceptable for me, maybe you run your machine in safe mode all the time
>>>and have no problem squinting at your screen, not me.
>>
>>There can certainly be a conflict between supported refresh rates, such as
>>an old monitor supporting 800x600 but only 86/43Hz interlaced with a
>>display card that only does non-interlaced 60Hz minimum, but the one that
>>should always work is 640x480 60Hz.
>
>
> That's why 'safe mode' uses it.
>
> at 16 bit or 256 color, and that sux for windows,

"Safe mode" is merely proof that 640x480 60Hz works in both the monitor and
the display card but that has nothing to do with the color depth under
normal operation when you set the screen to 640x480, and you can run 8, 16,
24 or 32 color depth, or whatever you like, as long as your card supports
that depth. And if it supports a particular color depth at 800x600 it'll
support it at 640x480.


> and that's really where I
> was going. Weird non standard hor-vert refresh rates

Except that 60Hz isn't a weird refresh rate and every 14 inch VGA monitor
supports it.

>....Packard bell 1500c
> comes to mind.

Sorry, I don't know what a Packard bell 1500c is so I can't say what kind
of problem it might have had, or why.

> Some adapters just don't have the capability. Allot of 14 in
> monitors of legacy design have this problem.

They ALL support VGA mode as they're VGA monitors and I could pull out the
original first VGA I ever got with my whiz bang 286/16Mhz machine, as I
still have both, and run it, the monitor not the 286 <chuckle>, with XP if
I had a mind to.

I still use them for 'special purpose' machines, like taking an old system
and using it as a software 'scope/signal generator so I won't mind so much
if something goes wrong and the tube amp I'm working on zaps 300 volts
through the lot.
Anonymous
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July 29, 2005 9:17:59 AM

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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:07:48 -0500, David Maynard
<nospam@private.net> wrote:

>> Yes saying it was 'not' using it was not the proper terminology, its lamed
>> (seriously if its a decent card)although I know that even when you get a
>> screen size to work, you try to raise the color depth and wham!, screen goes
>> dark, black, and/or distorted. so you end up with not only 640x480 you get
>> 256 or less color.
>
>I don't know what you're referring to here with the 'wham'. Color depth
>should have no effect on refresh rate.
>

C'mon now Mr. Maynard, everyone knows that 'wham' means
drinking a few quarts of vodka and smashing the card to bits
with a hammer, at which point everything is dark, black and
distorted.
Anonymous
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July 29, 2005 9:18:00 AM

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kony wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:07:48 -0500, David Maynard
> <nospam@private.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>Yes saying it was 'not' using it was not the proper terminology, its lamed
>>>(seriously if its a decent card)although I know that even when you get a
>>>screen size to work, you try to raise the color depth and wham!, screen goes
>>>dark, black, and/or distorted. so you end up with not only 640x480 you get
>>>256 or less color.
>>
>>I don't know what you're referring to here with the 'wham'. Color depth
>>should have no effect on refresh rate.
>>
>
>
> C'mon now Mr. Maynard, everyone knows that 'wham' means
> drinking a few quarts of vodka and smashing the card to bits
> with a hammer, at which point everything is dark, black and
> distorted.

LOL

I see. Well, there's the confusion then because, rather than a smasher, I'm
a hurler. That way after the tension release I might be able to find and
use it again, assuming it survives re-entry.
Anonymous
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July 29, 2005 5:24:43 PM

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In article <11ehp8d84vruiea@corp.supernews.com>, David Maynard says...
> JAD wrote:
>
> > Too bad the OP hasn't responded. I know for a fact, that if he changes the
> > monitor, to just about anything other than a old 14 in. monitor, all would
> > be well.
>
> A newer monitor would work, yes.
>
> > MUCH easier than finding a card that will work with it.
>
> Can you tell me of any particular card you've run across that won't do
> 640x480 60Hz?
>
More like OS...


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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:45:07 GMT, jhgfjh@hfksdfse.com (zz) wrote:

>just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
>home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
>we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
>windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
>what can be done??
>zz

Agree w\bob.
Safe mode>right click
desktop>properties>settings>advanced>monitor>screen refresh rate
-60-75 hertz.Time for a new monitor.You can also use F8 at boot and
select vga only.
!