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romanista wrote:
> Stuart loves emulation more than most people has his articles filled
> with love to which he links clearly shows.. In his article (on his own
> website, so he didn't try to troll mamedev or anything), he shows he
> regret on what is done to the thing he loves. He doesn't attack anyone,
> and he comes to the conclusion that he will stop updating (just as
> people here are suggesting), to remain playing.
Although I agree superficially he does seem to 'love' MAME(tm), he
perhaps should have vented his spleen in trying to get emulator
developers to make stand alone emulators or special hack versions of
MAME off of the source tree.
> The fact that his points are causing such hars and passionate reaction
> shows for a neutral outsider like myself
>
> (a) Mamedev is a very closed community, and if one little rock thrown
> into the water causes such hatred, it will do them good to test their
> thesis if it is the right one (think of popper's falsification)
They dont hate him. Not all the people that post on the MAME forum are
MAMEDev (I post there for one). They are just resolute in their
standing that MAME should not be corrupted by developers in order to
make a game work. This as far as I know was always the case. I have
always, for example, upgraded my PC's specification to ensure that my
machine runs emulated games particularly (but not exclusively), MAME.
There are a lot of MAMEDev 'sychophants' on the board that can go over
the top, and maybe, just MAYBE their devotion 'to the cause' can make
MAMEDev seem more radical than it is. Haze's 'I dont care' attitude is
refreshingly honest, and whether I agree or not with his opinion has no
impact on MAME, as I am not developing the code, and he is.
> (b) Clearly there is a market for gamers, as the reactions on WoS and
> Yakyak have shown. They are important for having a correct mame too, as
> they will be able to reflect. Wht treat them which such contempt (e.g.
> the use of [l]users
If you want to play newer games at full speed, look for an alternative,
buy a conversion (if one is available) or use another emulator to play
the home version (which is what I do for buggy boy). No one is forcing
anyone to use MAME, no one is forcing users to upgrade.
> Therefore it is a good thing there is debate about the direction of
> Mame.. And while I commend the fact that Mamedev tries to make games
> work platform independent, it would clearly be a great thing if they
> just think about the gamers using Mame too (by simply allowing option
> to be switched off if they compromise correct emulation) and providing
> some conversion tools when there is a radical shift, or more warning in
> advance that an update will cause you to lose years of work...
On the point of debate, there is none. It is not a democracy, it is a
dictatorship. You can either go along with what MAMEDev's policy, or
you can go somewhere else.
The one thing you have to remember is the decisions they make today, can
change tomorrow, something you may not agree with may yet be changed. A
good example of that is the gambling drivers (which I am ambivilant
about!) A lot of people kicked a stink up that they were removed, in
fact the project forked. But look, 0.99u2 and they're back in (for what
ever reason). People are now asking about pong for crying out loud, and
I am sure that eventually it will be back in.
> Gamers and Emulatorprogrammers do need each other, don't forget that...
>
They are insistant we 'the gamers' are not the target audience, in fact,
Haze said on the newsgroup when I asked him to clarify who the audience
was, mentioned every group EXCEPT gamers. That came across as a bit
arrogant to me, but I cut the guy some slack (and it's a moderated
group!). Hopefully, one day, MAMEDev will see that the gamers are an
important group to MAME and FOR MAME. We are not all warez kiddies, we
are not all pokerom collectors (guily as charged!), and we are not all
ungrateful. That is the day I am waiting to pass.
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MCR
MAME(tm) - History In The Making
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