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CarnEvil - Unplayable? Correct Mouse Support?

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Anonymous
August 17, 2005 7:47:58 PM

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I can't find a way to play this game. I've enabled mouse support, but
everytime I fire, the 'bullet hole' type effect will appear off screen -
making the game completely unplayable, since you can't actually hit
anything.

Is there some kind of fix for this?

Thanks very much
Anonymous
August 17, 2005 7:47:59 PM

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Well....of course you have to calibrate the mouse in carnevil's system
menu first....You should know that procedure from your original
carnevil arcade cab where you calibrate the gun.
Anonymous
August 18, 2005 12:06:04 AM

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"Roman Scherzer" <roman.scherzer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124293789.774629.214430@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Well....of course you have to calibrate the mouse in carnevil's system
> menu first....You should know that procedure from your original
> carnevil arcade cab where you calibrate the gun.
>

Aright! You got me... I never owned a CarnEvil cabinet. I owned a few arcade
cabinets, but not this one. Are you telling me you've never played a game on
Mame that you haven't owned? Eitherway, thanks very much for your help. I
Have it working now.

One final question though, the sound stutters. Is this just to be expected,
or is there some magic cure I should be aware of? I have a 3Ghz CPU, which
hopefully meets this games requirements.
Related resources
August 22, 2005 3:59:34 AM

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Sune Salminen wrote:
> Roman Scherzer wrote:
>
> /snip
>
>
>>You should know that procedure from your original
>>carnevil arcade cab where you calibrate the gun.
>
>
> Oh please.
>
> There's no need to give that speech here, this is a public, unmoderated
> newsgroup.
>
> It's okay to "ask about roms and missing files"...
>
> -Sune
>
>

LOL! Whats funny is in the EU and US, dumping and keeping a ROM is
still illegal!

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August 22, 2005 9:21:21 AM

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Your reply is totally out of scope and gives zero sense to the
discussion. I gave a concrete answer to his question while my 'speech'
was totally ok and there was no discussion about missing files nor a
question about roms themselves either.
And by the way, it doesn't play any role if this newsgroup is public
and not moderated. Any violation of the MAME licence will be reported
(not related to this post/reply though). If anyone uses this newsgroup
to sell his MAME DVDs, he'll get into trouble.
Anonymous
August 22, 2005 10:24:11 AM

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>Well....of course you have to calibrate the mouse in carnevil's system
>menu first....You should know that procedure from your original
>carnevil arcade cab where you calibrate the gun.

1st of all..my reply was for Sune's posting..ok...clicked on the wrong
post.
2nd of all...as you can see above there is no talk about any 'dumping'
instructions mentioned
3rd of all...You are not correct claiming dumping as illegal.
4th of all... I didn't advice him to do dump anything
5th of all..your little sidenote on clrmampro is nonsense and shows
that you don't have any clue when it comes to licence violations
etc....but we know that from your earlier posts already.
Anonymous
August 22, 2005 10:40:48 AM

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and before you ask about "3rd". Here it is absolutely allowed to make a
"private copy of digital data", no matter if the copy is analog or
digital itself. There are some restrictions about what to do with the
data of course (not publishing/giving to other persons etc) and what
you did to get the copy (you can't go to a theatre and get your private
copy of the latest movie of course). Dumping standard IC data for your
own purposes is allowed. Removing possible protection devices isn't
though. The US also thinks about some 'private copy' law since early
2002...currently I don't know what's the status on that one. Either
way...your general statement was incorrect.
August 22, 2005 4:40:41 PM

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Roman wrote:
> Your reply is totally out of scope and gives zero sense to the
> discussion. I gave a concrete answer to his question while my 'speech'
> was totally ok and there was no discussion about missing files nor a
> question about roms themselves either.

The reply you gave was the standard MAME.NET one. The guy wants to know
how to get his game working. Your answer about dumping from the
original machine! (Something BTW that is illegal). Now, you are
suggesting that he should do something illegal (assuming he is in the EU
or US). There is no moral high ground here, how he obtained his ROMs is
neither here nor there. If you yourself dumped all your ROMs from all
your machines you undoubtable own, and I just had ROMs I downloaded from
www.iwarezroms.com there is no legal difference, we will share a cell
for the same amount of time.

> And by the way, it doesn't play any role if this newsgroup is public
> and not moderated. Any violation of the MAME licence will be reported
> (not related to this post/reply though). If anyone uses this newsgroup
> to sell his MAME DVDs, he'll get into trouble.
>

oooOOOoooo.... Who cares? This discussion is not about wholesale ROM
distribution! Let me see, the guy that makes the tool to enable large
scale piracy is going to report the user for committing a licence
violation. I'd like to see that one in court!

BTW they welcome sanctimonious, patronising line towing here...
www.mame.net
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August 22, 2005 5:56:55 PM

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Roman Scherzer wrote:
> and before you ask about "3rd". Here it is absolutely allowed to make a
> "private copy of digital data", no matter if the copy is analog or
> digital itself. There are some restrictions about what to do with the
> data of course (not publishing/giving to other persons etc) and what
> you did to get the copy (you can't go to a theatre and get your private
> copy of the latest movie of course). Dumping standard IC data for your
> own purposes is allowed. Removing possible protection devices isn't
> though. The US also thinks about some 'private copy' law since early
> 2002...currently I don't know what's the status on that one. Either
> way...your general statement was incorrect.
>

And I quote as it is easier...

I can imagine the face of many an average user turning red in
frustration right about now, and some might even be spluttering in rage.
"But ... but ... you haven't told us anything! Backups are legal!
The law says so! So what if the emulator has nothing to do with it? I
HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO BACK UP MY GAME CARTS!"
Wrong. Users do not have the right to back up any kind of object
code stored in ROM for any videogame system.
"WHAT?!"
Listen, and listen carefully. Any unauthorized copy of a computer
program, regardless of the original or resultant media, can be
considered a counterfeit copy under federal law. (15 USC 1127, 18 USC
1030). The practice of dumping the videogame cartridges of a home
videogame system by the average user is not justified under the backup
proviso of copyright law (Atari v. JS&A Group, 1983), and this
restriction also covers arcade videogames and any other ROM-derived
formats as well (Tandy v. Personal Micro Computer, 1981). The one
exception for ROM dumping is granted solely to bona fide developers and
their associates (Sega v. Accolade and Nintendo v. Atari, 1992), with
any resultant "intermediate copies" having exactly the same protections
and restrictions as if they were the originals themselves. You, as a
user, do not have the right to dump a piece of computer code stored in
ROM format for use with an emulator, since you are not a developer (Sony
v. Connectix, 2000). Also, this is not considered to be justifiable as
an operational adaptation due to the necessary format change involved
(Mirage v. Alberquerque ART, 1988). What you have produced is a
derivative work, and all such works must be authorized by the copyright
owner in order to be legal (17 USC 106). You cannot use fair use to
justify ROM dumps, since the courts have denied this venue to the
average user due to the illegal nature of the resultant copies (Sega v.
MAPHIA, 1994).

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Anonymous
August 23, 2005 7:00:52 AM

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MER wrote:
> Roman Scherzer wrote:
-----8<-----
> Listen, and listen carefully. Any unauthorized copy of a computer
> program, regardless of the original or resultant media, can be
> considered a counterfeit copy under federal law. (15 USC 1127, 18 USC
> 1030).
-----8<-----
> You cannot use fair use to
> justify ROM dumps, since the courts have denied this venue to the
> average user due to the illegal nature of the resultant copies (Sega v.
> MAPHIA, 1994).
>

"I like it better when you were stupid!"
(Sorry, couldn't resist. <GBEG>)

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Anonymous
August 23, 2005 7:06:59 AM

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Roman Scherzer wrote:
>>Well....of course you have to calibrate the mouse in carnevil's system
>>menu first....You should know that procedure from your original
>>carnevil arcade cab where you calibrate the gun.
>
>
> 1st of all..my reply was for Sune's posting..ok...clicked on the wrong
> post.
> 2nd of all...as you can see above there is no talk about any 'dumping'
> instructions mentioned
> 3rd of all...You are not correct claiming dumping as illegal.
> 4th of all... I didn't advice him to do dump anything
> 5th of all..your little sidenote on clrmampro is nonsense and shows
> that you don't have any clue when it comes to licence violations
> etc....but we know that from your earlier posts already.
>

NOOOOOOooooo!!!!! Stay good, Roman, stay good! Curse you, Stuart
Campbell. You've poisoned the best of us, you obnoxious Scottish git!

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August 24, 2005 4:00:15 PM

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* MCR wrote in alt.games.mame:
> Roman wrote:
>> Your reply is totally out of scope and gives zero sense to the
>> discussion. I gave a concrete answer to his question while my 'speech'
>> was totally ok and there was no discussion about missing files nor a
>> question about roms themselves either.

> The reply you gave was the standard MAME.NET one. The guy wants to know
> how to get his game working. Your answer about dumping from the
> original machine! (Something BTW that is illegal).

Not illegal to dump for the purpose of backup. Personal use of the image
without the original equipment is illegal but ONLY if that hardware is
still readily available, at least thats the way it works in the US.

The latter part of that statement is a recent addition to the DMCA.
--
David
Heard that the next Space Shuttle is supposed to carry several Guernsey cows?
It's gonna be the herd shot 'round the world.
August 24, 2005 4:12:48 PM

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SINNER wrote:
> * MCR wrote in alt.games.mame:
>
>>Roman wrote:
>>
>>>Your reply is totally out of scope and gives zero sense to the
>>>discussion. I gave a concrete answer to his question while my 'speech'
>>>was totally ok and there was no discussion about missing files nor a
>>>question about roms themselves either.
>
>
>>The reply you gave was the standard MAME.NET one. The guy wants to know
>>how to get his game working. Your answer about dumping from the
>>original machine! (Something BTW that is illegal).
>
>
> Not illegal to dump for the purpose of backup. Personal use of the image
> without the original equipment is illegal but ONLY if that hardware is
> still readily available, at least thats the way it works in the US.
>
> The latter part of that statement is a recent addition to the DMCA.

The DMCA also states that it does not oveerturn/change any previous rulings.

"The practice of dumping the videogame cartridges of a home videogame
system by the average user is not justified under the backup proviso of
copyright law (Atari v. JS&A Group, 1983) and this restriction also
covers arcade videogames and any other ROM-derived formats as well
(Tandy v. Personal Micro Computer, 1981). The one exception for ROM
dumping is granted solely to bona fide developers and their associates
(Sega v. Accolade and Nintendo v. Atari, 1992)".

Fair use and 'backup' are not applicable to ROMs. Also, we are not all
covered by the DMCA :) 
--
MCR
MAME(tm) - History In The Making
www.pleasure-dome.org.uk
August 24, 2005 9:05:21 PM

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* MCR Wrote in alt.games.mame:

> SINNER wrote:
>> * MCR wrote in alt.games.mame:
>>
>>>Roman wrote:
>>>
>>>>Your reply is totally out of scope and gives zero sense to the
>>>>discussion. I gave a concrete answer to his question while my
>>>>'speech' was totally ok and there was no discussion about
>>>>missing files nor a question about roms themselves either.
>>
>>
>>>The reply you gave was the standard MAME.NET one. The guy wants
>>>to know how to get his game working. Your answer about dumping
>>>from the original machine! (Something BTW that is illegal).
>>
>>
>> Not illegal to dump for the purpose of backup. Personal use of
>> the image without the original equipment is illegal but ONLY if
>> that hardware is still readily available, at least thats the way
>> it works in the US.
>>
>> The latter part of that statement is a recent addition to the
>> DMCA.
>
> The DMCA also states that it does not oveerturn/change any
> previous rulings.
>
> "The practice of dumping the videogame cartridges of a home
> videogame system by the average user is not justified under the
> backup proviso of copyright law (Atari v. JS&A Group, 1983) and
> this restriction also covers arcade videogames and any other
> ROM-derived formats as well (Tandy v. Personal Micro Computer,
> 1981). The one exception for ROM dumping is granted solely to
> bona fide developers and their associates (Sega v. Accolade and
> Nintendo v. Atari, 1992)".
>
> Fair use and 'backup' are not applicable to ROMs. Also, we are
> not all covered by the DMCA :) 

Fair use is not, backup is. It is specifically mentioned that use for
repair is legal. THe RTOM may not be 'used' without the original
hardware. Regarding the DMCA it was ruled that IF the hardware for a
platform is no longer available that reverse engineering is no longer
an issue.

Small quote:

Thirdly, in addition to being able to make copies of damaged,
deteriorating, lost, or stolen items, eligible libraries and archives
may now make copies of digital material in obsolete formats. A format
is considered obsolete if the machine or device necessary to render
perceptible a work stored in that formatis no longer manufactured or
is no longer reasonably available in the commercial market-place. The
law recognizes that hardware or software obsolescence is in itself a
form of loss and has made it legallypossible to transfer files to
newer media or file formats.


http://cidc.library.cornell.edu/Pub_files/DMCA_Final.pd...


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David
August 24, 2005 9:50:04 PM

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SINNER wrote:
Snipped in entirety

Sinner, you may have been *half* right

"

It is legal for you to make a backup copy of a piece of computer
software that you have obtained through appropriate means, and emulation
sites are often fond of quoting paragraphs (a) and (b) of 17 USC 117 on
that subject. Let's refresh our memory and see what the law as we know
it says:

a) Making of additional copy or adaptation by owner of copy

Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an
infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or
authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer
program provided:

1. that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an
essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction
with a machine and that it is used in no other manner, or
2. that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes
only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that
continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.

"

However, you can still see, you cannot use these ROM dumps for MAME ;-)
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August 24, 2005 9:58:16 PM

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* MCR Wrote in alt.games.mame:

> Peace Sinner... rememeber, it IS about the games...

Dude! No hostility here. You didnt pick up any did you? Mere discussion
among friends chappy :) 

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David
August 24, 2005 10:09:11 PM

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* MCR Wrote in alt.games.mame:

> However, you can still see, you cannot use these ROM dumps for
> MAME ;-)

I always knew that and thought I made it clear. You can backup your own
machine and save that rom but you cannot play it unless its back on the
board.

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David
August 24, 2005 10:11:49 PM

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SINNER wrote:
> * MCR Wrote in alt.games.mame:
>
>
>>Peace Sinner... rememeber, it IS about the games...
>
>
> Dude! No hostility here. You didnt pick up any did you? Mere discussion
> among friends chappy :) 
>

yeah of course mate... How could i fight you! :-)

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August 24, 2005 10:12:14 PM

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SINNER wrote:
> * MCR Wrote in alt.games.mame:
>
>
>>However, you can still see, you cannot use these ROM dumps for
>>MAME ;-)
>
>
> I always knew that and thought I made it clear. You can backup your own
> machine and save that rom but you cannot play it unless its back on the
> board.
>

LOL! The arguements we all have here! :-)

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MCR
MAME(tm) - History In The Making
www.pleasure-dome.org.uk
August 24, 2005 10:13:55 PM

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* MCR Wrote in alt.games.mame:

> SINNER wrote:
>> * MCR Wrote in alt.games.mame:
>>
>>
>>>However, you can still see, you cannot use these ROM dumps for
>>>MAME ;-)
>>
>>
>> I always knew that and thought I made it clear. You can backup
>> your own machine and save that rom but you cannot play it unless
>> its back on the board.
>>
>
> LOL! The arguements we all have here! :-)
>

Erm, Discussions.... ;) 

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David
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