Hybrids don't sell....

It's been a engineering fact for years that hybrids don't sell.... This is the latest attempt..... You have to loose big money to engineer them.... Then loose money to "Lot Rot"..... The very people that cry & whine in focus groups that they would buy them, don't!!!!! It's a cycle that keeps repeating every time the gas takes a jump..... Undoubtedly, with this low volume vehicle, the added cost, scarce special parts, this car would more than likely cost more to drive that a conventional vehicle.....

So much for the hybrids saving the energy crises....... Where's the environmentalists & their money???? Looks to me like they want to solve the worlds problems, with your money, not theirs..... Which has been the case in the auto industry for decades.... [shrug]

Didn't mean to rant.... [/shrug]

Oh well, on to the important stuff.... *Belch*

It's been happening since the 70's & doesn't look like the trend is ready to change anytime soon though.....

You know how I feel about paying for anything, Fu[i][/i]ck Em!

Looking at the Civic and Civic Hybrid: the hybrid touts a 42% increase in fuel economy. . . it costs 4640-- MSRP-- more (after average taxes and fees applied to MSRP it could be closer to 6000).

Assuming an average fuel at today's 2.761 (in the US). . .

One would have to buy and use 2941 gallons of gas to break even.

Assuming 14000 miles a year at 50 mpg: 10 and 1/2 years.

edit: This does not take into account tax credits.

further edit: for 2006, its $2100 for the Civic Hybrid

LMFAO!!!!!!!


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That's beautiful!

Extra HP could save your life. . .

ok. . . torque, then

Moonroof. . . Sunroof too dangerous for you?

Never mind piss drunk. I figured the other day that it takes me about $8 per day to drive to work and back. Wifey too... That's $80 between us just to get to work!

That sucks my ass.

However, I have the solution... Put everyone on a motorcycle!

Here's one for RC and Auburn to ride together!

Seriously, as I am getting older, and I have a motorcycle sitting in my garage, the gas mileage is becoming the deciding factor to get it fixed up and to get my license.

Here you go!

My full sympathy here! That's a motorcycle I'd enjoy to sit on! 8)

Nice bikes but why do they all sound like a typewriter?

It's their sound, always has been & will always be, afaIk.... [shrug]

Apparently a sunroof and moonroof are the same with the following exception: moonroof is translucent.

You've got an acre and NOTHING ELSE TO DO!

So it takes you longer to mow the lawn, so you get to drink more beer.


I don't see the problem here!

My understanding (god forbid someone actually looks it up) is that sunroofs don't open or only vent, while moon roofs open completely, as the objects in the night sky are less visible through tinted glass / plastic.

But what do I know?

Yes. I love my Jeep!

That's another thing that really scalds my scrotum... The people with convertables that have the tops up on gloriously sunny days... Take the 2 minutes and DROP THE TOP!

Why buy a convertable if you aren't going to use it?

Sorry all...

*climbs down off of soap box.

Apparently, they wer all sunroofs until fancy-pants Ford motor company decided to call theirs a "moonroof". . . there ya go. Mystery solved.

I didn't own a car until 2002, anyway. I cycled or took a bus anywhere I needed to go. Now my road bike (Cannondale R800) is quite deceased. I need to rebuild the wheels, new chainring bolts, new shifter cables, new chain. . . anyway, I'd much rather just buy a cheaper hard tail trail bike.

Well, that explains it. I sold Ford's 90-91. I'd been brain-washed and didn't
know it!

You got that right!!!!

It also doesn't take into account repairs and replacement of those cells should they go bad. Those cells aren't cheap and they do wear out.

It's not a truly proven technology.. it hasn't been in mainstream use to be proven yet.

Not entirely true. Electric motors are very reliable and the battery technology
is nothing new. Now, getting it all to work together is something different.

Hybrids have been out since '99 and in those 7 years have consistantly been more
reliable than the average car. As for the battery packs, they are expensive now,
but they'll drop in price and as of a few months ago Toyota said they haven't
had to replace a single one that wasn't involved in some sort of accident. Also,
and I'm going off of memory here, (too lazy to google) in states with Cali.
pollution standards, since the batteries are considered part ot the equation
that helps lower them, they're covered for 8yrs/100,000miles.

My dad's Prius after 2.5yrs has not had 1 single failure. The only issue was
a recall on some to reprogram the engine management software.

You know what I've found interesting with Mercedes? Is their diesel push. I must say, I've been a trifle surprised by their investment in diesel engine technology. They've really gone for it in a big way when I would have thought that diesel technology would be something that a major company like Merc would want to leave behind. I mean, from a marketing perspective, diesel is hardly trendy and new, yet they are marketing their new diesel tech engines as being enviornmentally clean yet efficient and powerful.

Interesting stuff.

I don't know anything about it!!!! They better no Frick up my Coors Beer!!!!!! :x