crash/freeze

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Hi,

Just a few months ago I built a PC with the following Spec

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-8ST800
Processor: Intel P4 1.8a GHZ/ 400 Mhz bus speed / Intel sSpec Number:
SL68Q
Ram: Crucial 128MB / 333 Mhz DDR / cL 2.5
Hard drive: Maxtor (3.5 series) 40GB, Fireball 3, ATA 133 HDD

However it keeps crashing randomly (sometimes after 10 mins, sometimes
after an hour).

The first thing I noticed is that if I leave it downloading something
from the internet I will continue working for days, So I deduced that
it only crashes when there is some keyboard or mouse interaction, so I
have changed the keyboard and mouse to use USB instead of PS2, however
it still crashes. when there is a lot of interaction. I have even
installed an extra fan incase it was getting to hot but still keeps
crashing.

I have no idea weather to change the motherboard or the processor or
the hard drive.

Is there anyway tools that can help me pin point the faulty hardware?

Please guide me.

Thanks,
Peter
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  1. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    You did not mention your OS?
    What program are you 'interacting' with when it crashes?
    "Peter" <peterxspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:8fd5558c.0406161030.6e6581b@posting.google.com...
    > Hi,
    >
    > Just a few months ago I built a PC with the following Spec
    >
    > Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-8ST800
    > Processor: Intel P4 1.8a GHZ/ 400 Mhz bus speed / Intel sSpec Number:
    > SL68Q
    > Ram: Crucial 128MB / 333 Mhz DDR / cL 2.5
    > Hard drive: Maxtor (3.5 series) 40GB, Fireball 3, ATA 133 HDD
    >
    > However it keeps crashing randomly (sometimes after 10 mins, sometimes
    > after an hour).
    >
    > The first thing I noticed is that if I leave it downloading something
    > from the internet I will continue working for days, So I deduced that
    > it only crashes when there is some keyboard or mouse interaction, so I
    > have changed the keyboard and mouse to use USB instead of PS2, however
    > it still crashes. when there is a lot of interaction. I have even
    > installed an extra fan incase it was getting to hot but still keeps
    > crashing.
    >
    > I have no idea weather to change the motherboard or the processor or
    > the hard drive.
    >
    > Is there anyway tools that can help me pin point the faulty hardware?
    >
    > Please guide me.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Peter
  2. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    peterxspam@hotmail.com (Peter) said:

    > Is there anyway tools that can help me pin point the faulty hardware?

    try this first, let it run overnight
    http://www.memtest86.com/

    --
    Mac Cool
  3. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "GTS" <gts123NOSPAM@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<0o1Ac.4$77.1@newsfe5-gui.server.ntli.net>...
    > You did not mention your OS?
    > What program are you 'interacting' with when it crashes?

    I have tried 2 operating systems windows 2000 and windows xp it
    crashes in both of them.

    There is no specific program, sometimes I may click on the start menu
    and it crashes, sometimes I am using internet explorer or other
    applications. The only pattern I can see is that it only crashes when
    I interact with the PC, If I leave it on or leave it to download
    something it can go for days without crashing. (thats once I start
    downloading without it crashing first)

    > "Peter" <peterxspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:8fd5558c.0406161030.6e6581b@posting.google.com...
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > > Just a few months ago I built a PC with the following Spec
    > >
    > > Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-8ST800
    > > Processor: Intel P4 1.8a GHZ/ 400 Mhz bus speed / Intel sSpec Number:
    > > SL68Q
    > > Ram: Crucial 128MB / 333 Mhz DDR / cL 2.5
    > > Hard drive: Maxtor (3.5 series) 40GB, Fireball 3, ATA 133 HDD
    > >
    > > However it keeps crashing randomly (sometimes after 10 mins, sometimes
    > > after an hour).
    > >
    > > The first thing I noticed is that if I leave it downloading something
    > > from the internet I will continue working for days, So I deduced that
    > > it only crashes when there is some keyboard or mouse interaction, so I
    > > have changed the keyboard and mouse to use USB instead of PS2, however
    > > it still crashes. when there is a lot of interaction. I have even
    > > installed an extra fan incase it was getting to hot but still keeps
    > > crashing.
    > >
    > > I have no idea weather to change the motherboard or the processor or
    > > the hard drive.
    > >
    > > Is there anyway tools that can help me pin point the faulty hardware?
    > >
    > > Please guide me.
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > > Peter
  4. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    I don't know much about P4 but I reckon I'd have about 4 times that much
    memory?
    BruceM

    "GTS" <gts123NOSPAM@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
    news:0o1Ac.4$77.1@newsfe5-gui.server.ntli.net...
    > You did not mention your OS?
    > What program are you 'interacting' with when it crashes?
    > "Peter" <peterxspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:8fd5558c.0406161030.6e6581b@posting.google.com...
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > > Just a few months ago I built a PC with the following Spec
    > >
    > > Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-8ST800
    > > Processor: Intel P4 1.8a GHZ/ 400 Mhz bus speed / Intel sSpec Number:
    > > SL68Q
    > > Ram: Crucial 128MB / 333 Mhz DDR / cL 2.5
    > > Hard drive: Maxtor (3.5 series) 40GB, Fireball 3, ATA 133 HDD
    > >
    > > However it keeps crashing randomly (sometimes after 10 mins, sometimes
    > > after an hour).
    > >
    > > The first thing I noticed is that if I leave it downloading something
    > > from the internet I will continue working for days, So I deduced that
    > > it only crashes when there is some keyboard or mouse interaction, so I
    > > have changed the keyboard and mouse to use USB instead of PS2, however
    > > it still crashes. when there is a lot of interaction. I have even
    > > installed an extra fan incase it was getting to hot but still keeps
    > > crashing.
    > >
    > > I have no idea weather to change the motherboard or the processor or
    > > the hard drive.
    > >
    > > Is there anyway tools that can help me pin point the faulty hardware?
    > >
    > > Please guide me.
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > > Peter
    >
    >
  5. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com> wrote in message news:<Xns950AF37D76B45MacCool@24.25.9.43>...
    > peterxspam@hotmail.com (Peter) said:
    >
    > > Is there anyway tools that can help me pin point the faulty hardware?
    >
    > try this first, let it run overnight
    > http://www.memtest86.com/

    Ok I have run memtest86 for the last 2 days but still no errors it
    passed through ~1000 tests. Any other suggestions?
  6. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Hi Bruce,

    I have now added 512MB more ram and it still crashes. I now have 640MB ram.
    Any other suggestions?

    Thanks,
    Peter

    "BruceM" <bruce9950@@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<40d0db0a@duster.adelaide.on.net>...
    > I don't know much about P4 but I reckon I'd have about 4 times that much
    > memory?
    > BruceM
    >
    > "GTS" <gts123NOSPAM@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
    > news:0o1Ac.4$77.1@newsfe5-gui.server.ntli.net...
    > > You did not mention your OS?
    > > What program are you 'interacting' with when it crashes?
    > > "Peter" <peterxspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:8fd5558c.0406161030.6e6581b@posting.google.com...
    > > > Hi,
    > > >
    > > > Just a few months ago I built a PC with the following Spec
    > > >
    > > > Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-8ST800
    > > > Processor: Intel P4 1.8a GHZ/ 400 Mhz bus speed / Intel sSpec Number:
    > > > SL68Q
    > > > Ram: Crucial 128MB / 333 Mhz DDR / cL 2.5
    > > > Hard drive: Maxtor (3.5 series) 40GB, Fireball 3, ATA 133 HDD
    > > >
    > > > However it keeps crashing randomly (sometimes after 10 mins, sometimes
    > > > after an hour).
    > > >
    > > > The first thing I noticed is that if I leave it downloading something
    > > > from the internet I will continue working for days, So I deduced that
    > > > it only crashes when there is some keyboard or mouse interaction, so I
    > > > have changed the keyboard and mouse to use USB instead of PS2, however
    > > > it still crashes. when there is a lot of interaction. I have even
    > > > installed an extra fan incase it was getting to hot but still keeps
    > > > crashing.
    > > >
    > > > I have no idea weather to change the motherboard or the processor or
    > > > the hard drive.
    > > >
    > > > Is there anyway tools that can help me pin point the faulty hardware?
    > > >
    > > > Please guide me.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks,
    > > > Peter
    > >
    > >
  7. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    peterxspam@hotmail.com (Peter) wrote in message news:<8fd5558c.0406190152.2605d405@posting.google.com>...
    > Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com> wrote in message news:<Xns950AF37D76B45MacCool@24.25.9.43>...
    > >
    > > try this first, let it run overnight
    > > http://www.memtest86.com/
    >
    > Ok I have run memtest86 for the last 2 days but still no errors it
    > passed through ~1000 tests. Any other suggestions?

    Try Gold Memory, www.goldmemory.cz, and Microsoft's memory diagnostic,
    http://oca.microsoft.com/en/mtinst.exe. If your memory passes all 3,
    then the crashes are probably caused by something else, such as a bad
    Windows driver. Also try removing software until the crashes stop.
  8. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    peterxspam@hotmail.com (Peter) said:

    > Ok I have run memtest86 for the last 2 days but still no errors it
    > passed through ~1000 tests. Any other suggestions?

    When you say it crashes or freezes on mouse or keyboard action, can you be
    more specific? Can you check the CPU temperature in the bios immediately
    after a crash?

    --
    Mac Cool
  9. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Just for fun I would remove your original stick of memory as it CAN be only
    one particular address in that stick that is causing the crash. Highly
    likely after all the tests you have done but worth the test.
    As you have eliminated most other things, the next thing that is the most
    likely problem is the motherboard itself. Be good if you could borrow a P4
    board from a friend & swap ALL (& I mean ALL!) of your gear onto it.
    Pity we can't hold a poll here but I reckon 80% would go for memory & 19% go
    for motherboard. If you have eleminated memory then .................... ?
    By the way, try leaving that original memory slot empty?
    BruceM


    "Peter" <peterxspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:8fd5558c.0406190156.5b4aba67@posting.google.com...
    > Hi Bruce,
    >
    > I have now added 512MB more ram and it still crashes. I now have 640MB
    ram.
    > Any other suggestions?
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Peter
    >
    > "BruceM" <bruce9950@@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:<40d0db0a@duster.adelaide.on.net>...
    > > I don't know much about P4 but I reckon I'd have about 4 times that much
    > > memory?
    > > BruceM
    > >
    > > "GTS" <gts123NOSPAM@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
    > > news:0o1Ac.4$77.1@newsfe5-gui.server.ntli.net...
    > > > You did not mention your OS?
    > > > What program are you 'interacting' with when it crashes?
    > > > "Peter" <peterxspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:8fd5558c.0406161030.6e6581b@posting.google.com...
    > > > > Hi,
    > > > >
    > > > > Just a few months ago I built a PC with the following Spec
    > > > >
    > > > > Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-8ST800
    > > > > Processor: Intel P4 1.8a GHZ/ 400 Mhz bus speed / Intel sSpec
    Number:
    > > > > SL68Q
    > > > > Ram: Crucial 128MB / 333 Mhz DDR / cL 2.5
    > > > > Hard drive: Maxtor (3.5 series) 40GB, Fireball 3, ATA 133 HDD
    > > > >
    > > > > However it keeps crashing randomly (sometimes after 10 mins,
    sometimes
    > > > > after an hour).
    > > > >
    > > > > The first thing I noticed is that if I leave it downloading
    something
    > > > > from the internet I will continue working for days, So I deduced
    that
    > > > > it only crashes when there is some keyboard or mouse interaction, so
    I
    > > > > have changed the keyboard and mouse to use USB instead of PS2,
    however
    > > > > it still crashes. when there is a lot of interaction. I have even
    > > > > installed an extra fan incase it was getting to hot but still keeps
    > > > > crashing.
    > > > >
    > > > > I have no idea weather to change the motherboard or the processor or
    > > > > the hard drive.
    > > > >
    > > > > Is there anyway tools that can help me pin point the faulty
    hardware?
    > > > >
    > > > > Please guide me.
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks,
    > > > > Peter
    > > >
    > > >
  10. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    By the way........ what video card are you using?
    BruceM


    "BruceM" <bruce9950@@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:40d4ee59@duster.adelaide.on.net...
    > Just for fun I would remove your original stick of memory as it CAN be
    only
    > one particular address in that stick that is causing the crash. Highly
    > likely after all the tests you have done but worth the test.
    > As you have eliminated most other things, the next thing that is the most
    > likely problem is the motherboard itself. Be good if you could borrow a P4
    > board from a friend & swap ALL (& I mean ALL!) of your gear onto it.
    > Pity we can't hold a poll here but I reckon 80% would go for memory & 19%
    go
    > for motherboard. If you have eleminated memory then ....................
    ?
    > By the way, try leaving that original memory slot empty?
    > BruceM
    >
    >
    > "Peter" <peterxspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:8fd5558c.0406190156.5b4aba67@posting.google.com...
    > > Hi Bruce,
    > >
    > > I have now added 512MB more ram and it still crashes. I now have 640MB
    > ram.
    > > Any other suggestions?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > > Peter
    > >
    > > "BruceM" <bruce9950@@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:<40d0db0a@duster.adelaide.on.net>...
    > > > I don't know much about P4 but I reckon I'd have about 4 times that
    much
    > > > memory?
    > > > BruceM
    > > >
    > > > "GTS" <gts123NOSPAM@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:0o1Ac.4$77.1@newsfe5-gui.server.ntli.net...
    > > > > You did not mention your OS?
    > > > > What program are you 'interacting' with when it crashes?
    > > > > "Peter" <peterxspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > > > news:8fd5558c.0406161030.6e6581b@posting.google.com...
    > > > > > Hi,
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Just a few months ago I built a PC with the following Spec
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-8ST800
    > > > > > Processor: Intel P4 1.8a GHZ/ 400 Mhz bus speed / Intel sSpec
    > Number:
    > > > > > SL68Q
    > > > > > Ram: Crucial 128MB / 333 Mhz DDR / cL 2.5
    > > > > > Hard drive: Maxtor (3.5 series) 40GB, Fireball 3, ATA 133 HDD
    > > > > >
    > > > > > However it keeps crashing randomly (sometimes after 10 mins,
    > sometimes
    > > > > > after an hour).
    > > > > >
    > > > > > The first thing I noticed is that if I leave it downloading
    > something
    > > > > > from the internet I will continue working for days, So I deduced
    > that
    > > > > > it only crashes when there is some keyboard or mouse interaction,
    so
    > I
    > > > > > have changed the keyboard and mouse to use USB instead of PS2,
    > however
    > > > > > it still crashes. when there is a lot of interaction. I have even
    > > > > > installed an extra fan incase it was getting to hot but still
    keeps
    > > > > > crashing.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I have no idea weather to change the motherboard or the processor
    or
    > > > > > the hard drive.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Is there anyway tools that can help me pin point the faulty
    > hardware?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Please guide me.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Thanks,
    > > > > > Peter
    > > > >
    > > > >
    >
    >
  11. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Also what audio card? Like maybe an Audigy.
    Are you using anything like Mouseware that could be uninstalled?

    "BruceM" <bruce9950@@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:40d4ef31@duster.adelaide.on.net...
    > By the way........ what video card are you using?
    > BruceM
    >
    >
    > "BruceM" <bruce9950@@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:40d4ee59@duster.adelaide.on.net...
    > > Just for fun I would remove your original stick of memory as it CAN be
    > only
    > > one particular address in that stick that is causing the crash. Highly
    > > likely after all the tests you have done but worth the test.
    > > As you have eliminated most other things, the next thing that is the
    most
    > > likely problem is the motherboard itself. Be good if you could borrow a
    P4
    > > board from a friend & swap ALL (& I mean ALL!) of your gear onto it.
    > > Pity we can't hold a poll here but I reckon 80% would go for memory &
    19%
    > go
    > > for motherboard. If you have eleminated memory then ....................
    > ?
    > > By the way, try leaving that original memory slot empty?
    > > BruceM
    > >
    > >
    > > "Peter" <peterxspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:8fd5558c.0406190156.5b4aba67@posting.google.com...
    > > > Hi Bruce,
    > > >
    > > > I have now added 512MB more ram and it still crashes. I now have 640MB
    > > ram.
    > > > Any other suggestions?
    > > >
    > > > Thanks,
    > > > Peter
    > > >
    > > > "BruceM" <bruce9950@@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:<40d0db0a@duster.adelaide.on.net>...
    > > > > I don't know much about P4 but I reckon I'd have about 4 times that
    > much
    > > > > memory?
    > > > > BruceM
    > > > >
    > > > > "GTS" <gts123NOSPAM@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
    > > > > news:0o1Ac.4$77.1@newsfe5-gui.server.ntli.net...
    > > > > > You did not mention your OS?
    > > > > > What program are you 'interacting' with when it crashes?
    > > > > > "Peter" <peterxspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:8fd5558c.0406161030.6e6581b@posting.google.com...
    > > > > > > Hi,
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Just a few months ago I built a PC with the following Spec
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-8ST800
    > > > > > > Processor: Intel P4 1.8a GHZ/ 400 Mhz bus speed / Intel sSpec
    > > Number:
    > > > > > > SL68Q
    > > > > > > Ram: Crucial 128MB / 333 Mhz DDR / cL 2.5
    > > > > > > Hard drive: Maxtor (3.5 series) 40GB, Fireball 3, ATA 133 HDD
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > However it keeps crashing randomly (sometimes after 10 mins,
    > > sometimes
    > > > > > > after an hour).
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > The first thing I noticed is that if I leave it downloading
    > > something
    > > > > > > from the internet I will continue working for days, So I deduced
    > > that
    > > > > > > it only crashes when there is some keyboard or mouse
    interaction,
    > so
    > > I
    > > > > > > have changed the keyboard and mouse to use USB instead of PS2,
    > > however
    > > > > > > it still crashes. when there is a lot of interaction. I have
    even
    > > > > > > installed an extra fan incase it was getting to hot but still
    > keeps
    > > > > > > crashing.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I have no idea weather to change the motherboard or the
    processor
    > or
    > > > > > > the hard drive.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Is there anyway tools that can help me pin point the faulty
    > > hardware?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Please guide me.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Thanks,
    > > > > > > Peter
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
  12. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    do_not_spam_me@my-deja.com (do_not_spam_me) said:

    >> Ok I have run memtest86 for the last 2 days but still no errors it
    >> passed through ~1000 tests. Any other suggestions?
    >
    > Try Gold Memory, www.goldmemory.cz, and Microsoft's memory diagnostic,
    > http://oca.microsoft.com/en/mtinst.exe. If your memory passes all 3,
    > then the crashes are probably caused by something else, such as a bad
    > Windows driver. Also try removing software until the crashes stop.

    Do you work in tech support?
    --
    McQualude
  13. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "T Shadow" <knone@zilch.com.invalid> said:

    > Also what audio card? Like maybe an Audigy.

    Do the Audigys have problems similiar to the Live cards? The Live cards
    had issues with some Via based motherboards that would cause crashes. I
    was one of the unlucky bastards that had the problem and it took almost a
    year before Creative admitted there was a problem, promptly blaming VIA,
    who blamed Creative and the problem was never solved. I solved it by
    buying a different brand of sound card.
    --
    Mac Cool
  14. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Mac Cool" <Mac@2cool.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns950ED8729BC3MacCool@24.25.9.41...
    > "T Shadow" <knone@zilch.com.invalid> said:
    >
    > > Also what audio card? Like maybe an Audigy.
    >
    > Do the Audigys have problems similiar to the Live cards? The Live cards
    > had issues with some Via based motherboards that would cause crashes. I
    > was one of the unlucky bastards that had the problem and it took almost a
    > year before Creative admitted there was a problem, promptly blaming VIA,
    > who blamed Creative and the problem was never solved. I solved it by
    > buying a different brand of sound card.
    > --
    > Mac Cool

    I have a M/B with Intel chipset. With the Audigy installed(drivers only) I
    usually get random muting of the audio in ATI MMC just from moving the mouse
    and occaionally(but rarely) extra input in other situations. This does not
    happen when the onboard soundcard is used.
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