Intel Build - Next Generation vs Last Generation

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I was about to do a build up. Even bought a case. Was going to do a
865 based mobo (likely ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe). But now the 915/925
boards are hitting the market. Now I'm thinking I should wait a few
more months till that platform stabilizes, then buy into that. Since
alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express, LGA775,
etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old gen
stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
intermediate upgrade (short of scraping the whole mobo/proc/vid/mem
combo).

What do you guys think?

 

[jad]

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What will you be using the rig for? Why would the
915 be better for you than the 865? etc?

"MikeW" <mwolffs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:32b9ecdf.0407232125.43826f80@posting.google.com...
> I was about to do a build up. Even bought a case. Was going to do
a
> 865 based mobo (likely ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe). But now the 915/925
> boards are hitting the market. Now I'm thinking I should wait a few
> more months till that platform stabilizes, then buy into that.
Since
> alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express, LGA775,
> etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old gen
> stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
> intermediate upgrade (short of scraping the whole mobo/proc/vid/mem
> combo).
>
> What do you guys think?

 

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Even if you wait a few months, there will be some other new technology on
the horizon. You will simply end up waiting for ever.
___________________________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: "MikeW" <mwolffs@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 6:25 AM
Subject: Intel Build - Next Generation vs Last Generation


"MikeW" <mwolffs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:32b9ecdf.0407232125.43826f80@posting.google.com...
I was about to do a build up. Even bought a case. Was going to do a
865 based mobo (likely ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe). But now the 915/925
boards are hitting the market. Now I'm thinking I should wait a few
more months till that platform stabilizes, then buy into that. Since
alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express, LGA775,
etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old gen
stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
intermediate upgrade (short of scraping the whole mobo/proc/vid/mem
combo).

What do you guys think?

 

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"Brian Cartwright" <cartwright@nojunkgoskop.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Even if you wait a few months, there will be some other new technology on
> the horizon. You will simply end up waiting for ever.
> ___________________________________________________________________
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MikeW" <mwolffs@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 6:25 AM
> Subject: Intel Build - Next Generation vs Last Generation
>
>
> "MikeW" <mwolffs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:32b9ecdf.0407232125.43826f80@posting.google.com...
> I was about to do a build up. Even bought a case. Was going to do a
> 865 based mobo (likely ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe). But now the 915/925
> boards are hitting the market. Now I'm thinking I should wait a few
> more months till that platform stabilizes, then buy into that. Since
> alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express, LGA775,
> etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old gen
> stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
> intermediate upgrade (short of scraping the whole mobo/proc/vid/mem
> combo).
>
> What do you guys think?


Build for what you need today. Don't worry about what will come later.

Alan in Boise

 

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In the now timeframe going with a 915/925 over an 865 won't buy me
much, but if, in a year or two, I want to spruce up the machine, I
will less likely have to start completely from scratch. Then again,
by then they might have another new platform upgrade



"JAD" <Kapasitor@coldmail.com> wrote in message news:<10g3thfejv9idbb@corp.supernews.com>...
> What will you be using the rig for? Why would the
> 915 be better for you than the 865? etc?
>
> "MikeW" <mwolffs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:32b9ecdf.0407232125.43826f80@posting.google.com...
> > I was about to do a build up. Even bought a case. Was going to do
> a
> > 865 based mobo (likely ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe). But now the 915/925
> > boards are hitting the market. Now I'm thinking I should wait a few
> > more months till that platform stabilizes, then buy into that.
> Since
> > alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express, LGA775,
> > etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old gen
> > stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
> > intermediate upgrade (short of scraping the whole mobo/proc/vid/mem
> > combo).
> >
> > What do you guys think?

 

[jad]

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<but if, in a year or two>

Mike be serious........ build the machine you can afford now (64b or
not), we'll be lucky if we enthusiasts will be able to build homebrew
in 2 years

http://www.againsttcpa.com/what-is-tcpa.html



"MikeW" <mwolffs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:32b9ecdf.0407241800.9564514@posting.google.com...
> In the now timeframe going with a 915/925 over an 865 won't buy me
> much, but if, in a year or two, I want to spruce up the machine, I
> will less likely have to start completely from scratch. Then again,
> by then they might have another new platform upgrade
>
>
>
> "JAD" <Kapasitor@coldmail.com> wrote in message
news:<10g3thfejv9idbb@corp.supernews.com>...
> > What will you be using the rig for? Why would
the
> > 915 be better for you than the 865? etc?
> >
> > "MikeW" <mwolffs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:32b9ecdf.0407232125.43826f80@posting.google.com...
> > > I was about to do a build up. Even bought a case. Was going to
do
> > a
> > > 865 based mobo (likely ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe). But now the
915/925
> > > boards are hitting the market. Now I'm thinking I should wait a
few
> > > more months till that platform stabilizes, then buy into that.
> > Since
> > > alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express,
LGA775,
> > > etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old
gen
> > > stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
> > > intermediate upgrade (short of scraping the whole
mobo/proc/vid/mem
> > > combo).
> > >
> > > What do you guys think?

 

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mwolffs@yahoo.com (MikeW) said:

> Since
> alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express, LGA775,
> etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old gen
> stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
> intermediate upgrade

If it were me, I would wait a bit.
--
Mac Cool

 

[jk]

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If you are worrying about your system being very obsolete soon,
why are you thinking about using a 32 bit processor? Forget
about Intel, and build an Athlon 64 system. With 64 bit Windows,
it will really be awesome. Since you are willing to wait a bit,
wait for Windows 64 for X86-64 to be released, then build
an Athlon 64 system.

MikeW wrote:

> I was about to do a build up. Even bought a case. Was going to do a
> 865 based mobo (likely ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe). But now the 915/925
> boards are hitting the market. Now I'm thinking I should wait a few
> more months till that platform stabilizes, then buy into that. Since
> alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express, LGA775,
> etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old gen
> stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
> intermediate upgrade (short of scraping the whole mobo/proc/vid/mem
> combo).
>
> What do you guys think?

 

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On 23 Jul 2004 22:25:30 -0700, mwolffs@yahoo.com (MikeW) wrote:

>I was about to do a build up. Even bought a case. Was going to do a
>865 based mobo (likely ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe). But now the 915/925
>boards are hitting the market. Now I'm thinking I should wait a few
>more months till that platform stabilizes, then buy into that. Since
>alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express, LGA775,
>etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old gen
>stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
>intermediate upgrade (short of scraping the whole mobo/proc/vid/mem
>combo).
>
>What do you guys think?


I think Intel has been a little screwy in the head since Andy Grove
stopped being the man.

Their marketing department seems to dictate to the design guys, and
said marketing department doesn't seem to be doing well at it.

Little AMD with minimal motherboard support is kicking Intel's ass.

The only thing Intel's got going for it is that the media refuses to
write the truth about Intel, possibly out of sheer stupidity, but
probably politics and advertising dollars.

To answer your question, I think you'd have to wait too long for the
dust to settle on Intel's latest pipe dreams.

I'd get an AMD64 for the next year or so, until the dual core cpu's
come out. I think the socket 754 is a better value than the 939.
Opinions vary though

If you want to stay Intel, I'd go with your original thought and get a
865 for now.

 

[jad]

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I think Intel has been a little screwy in the head since Andy Grove
stopped being the man.

Their marketing department seems to dictate to the design guys, and
said marketing department doesn't seem to be doing well at it.


If you are worrying about your system being very obsolete soon,
> why are you thinking about using a 32 bit processor? Forget
> about Intel, and build an Athlon 64 system. With 64 bit Windows

typical hype


Little AMD with minimal motherboard support is kicking Intel's ass
"JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:410367E0.325B528D@netscape.net...
> If you are worrying about your system being very obsolete soon,
> why are you thinking about using a 32 bit processor? Forget
> about Intel, and build an Athlon 64 system. With 64 bit Windows,
> it will really be awesome. Since you are willing to wait a bit,
> wait for Windows 64 for X86-64 to be released, then build
> an Athlon 64 system.
>
> MikeW wrote:
>
> > I was about to do a build up. Even bought a case. Was going to
do a
> > 865 based mobo (likely ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe). But now the 915/925
> > boards are hitting the market. Now I'm thinking I should wait a
few
> > more months till that platform stabilizes, then buy into that.
Since
> > alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express, LGA775,
> > etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old
gen
> > stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
> > intermediate upgrade (short of scraping the whole
mobo/proc/vid/mem
> > combo).
> >
> > What do you guys think?
>

 

[jk]

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Why would he want to use an Intel processor? Imo the only reason to get a
system with an Intel processor is if the system is being bought by a business
or government agency that must buy from Dell. I guess that this will probably
change in time, and Dell will at some point offer AMD based computers.

not@intel.com.invalid wrote:

> On 23 Jul 2004 22:25:30 -0700, mwolffs@yahoo.com (MikeW) wrote:
>
> >I was about to do a build up. Even bought a case. Was going to do a
> >865 based mobo (likely ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe). But now the 915/925
> >boards are hitting the market. Now I'm thinking I should wait a few
> >more months till that platform stabilizes, then buy into that. Since
> >alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express, LGA775,
> >etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old gen
> >stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
> >intermediate upgrade (short of scraping the whole mobo/proc/vid/mem
> >combo).
> >
> >What do you guys think?
>
> I think Intel has been a little screwy in the head since Andy Grove
> stopped being the man.
>
> Their marketing department seems to dictate to the design guys, and
> said marketing department doesn't seem to be doing well at it.
>
> Little AMD with minimal motherboard support is kicking Intel's ass.
>
> The only thing Intel's got going for it is that the media refuses to
> write the truth about Intel, possibly out of sheer stupidity, but
> probably politics and advertising dollars.
>
> To answer your question, I think you'd have to wait too long for the
> dust to settle on Intel's latest pipe dreams.
>
> I'd get an AMD64 for the next year or so, until the dual core cpu's
> come out. I think the socket 754 is a better value than the 939.
> Opinions vary though
>
> If you want to stay Intel, I'd go with your original thought and get a
> 865 for now.

 

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Why buy Chevy over Ford? Personal prefrence.

MC

"JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:4103FD74.80FE5FF2@netscape.net...
> Why would he want to use an Intel processor? Imo the only reason to get a
> system with an Intel processor is if the system is being bought by a
business
> or government agency that must buy from Dell. I guess that this will
probably
> change in time, and Dell will at some point offer AMD based computers.
>
> not@intel.com.invalid wrote:
>
> > On 23 Jul 2004 22:25:30 -0700, mwolffs@yahoo.com (MikeW) wrote:
> >
> > >I was about to do a build up. Even bought a case. Was going to do a
> > >865 based mobo (likely ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe). But now the 915/925
> > >boards are hitting the market. Now I'm thinking I should wait a few
> > >more months till that platform stabilizes, then buy into that. Since
> > >alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express, LGA775,
> > >etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old gen
> > >stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
> > >intermediate upgrade (short of scraping the whole mobo/proc/vid/mem
> > >combo).
> > >
> > >What do you guys think?
> >
> > I think Intel has been a little screwy in the head since Andy Grove
> > stopped being the man.
> >
> > Their marketing department seems to dictate to the design guys, and
> > said marketing department doesn't seem to be doing well at it.
> >
> > Little AMD with minimal motherboard support is kicking Intel's ass.
> >
> > The only thing Intel's got going for it is that the media refuses to
> > write the truth about Intel, possibly out of sheer stupidity, but
> > probably politics and advertising dollars.
> >
> > To answer your question, I think you'd have to wait too long for the
> > dust to settle on Intel's latest pipe dreams.
> >
> > I'd get an AMD64 for the next year or so, until the dual core cpu's
> > come out. I think the socket 754 is a better value than the 939.
> > Opinions vary though
> >
> > If you want to stay Intel, I'd go with your original thought and get a
> > 865 for now.
>

 

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An update for those who might care.

Okay, I got the message, I'm now looking at AMD. I'll probably end up
with an Athalon64 3500+ in one of the new socket 939 boards. Since
everthing will eventually be going 64 Bit, and AMD is looking to use
939 for a while, that gives me enough upgrade potential. And some of
the new Intel stuff lookes fairly superfluous in the near to mid term.

I'm waiting till the new MSI nforce board hit the market, and then
I'll probably take the plunge.

Now if I can only get SuSE Linux to load up on my old machine (Last
weekend's fiasco). Anyone know any good English speaking SuSE forums?

mwolffs@yahoo.com (MikeW) wrote in message news:<32b9ecdf.0407232125.43826f80@posting.google.com>...
> I was about to do a build up. Even bought a case. Was going to do a
> 865 based mobo (likely ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe). But now the 915/925
> boards are hitting the market. Now I'm thinking I should wait a few
> more months till that platform stabilizes, then buy into that. Since
> alot of the technologies are changing (DDR2, PCI Express, LGA775,
> etc.), I'm thinking I'll be obsolete out of the box with the old gen
> stuff, and will be screwed down the road if I want to do an
> intermediate upgrade (short of scraping the whole mobo/proc/vid/mem
> combo).
>
> What do you guys think?

 

[AJ]

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"JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message news:4103FD74.80FE5FF2@netscape.net...

> Why would he want to use an Intel processor?

Because Intel is better.

AJ

 

[jk]

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AJ wrote:

> "JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message news:4103FD74.80FE5FF2@netscape.net...
>
> > Why would he want to use an Intel processor?
>
> Because Intel is better.

Better at what? Slimming his wallet?

>
>
> AJ

 

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"AJ" <ng@newsgroups.net> wrote in message
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>
> "JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:4103FD74.80FE5FF2@netscape.net...
>
> > Why would he want to use an Intel processor?
>
> Because Intel is better.
>
> AJ

Alright, fight the good fight, brother

MC