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August 7, 2004 4:01:31 AM

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This is the first computer I've ever built, and I'd appreciate any
feedback on the components I've chosen. Does everything appear to be
compatible, and/or am I missing anything? I'll primarily be using the
computer for schoolwork, browsing the Internet, and downloading music.

Processor:
Intel Pentium 4 w/ HT Technology - 2.8GHz Processor
(2.8GHz, 1MB, 800MHz FSB, Socket 478)

Motherboard:
Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Motherboard
(Pentium 4, Socket 478, 875P, ATX, 4GB DDR, 800MHz FSB)

Hard Drive:
Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB
(EIDE, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM)

Video Card:
XFX GeForce4 MX440 Video Card
(64MB, AGP 8X, 2D/3D w/TV-Out)

Memory:
Kingston 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM Memory

Floppy Drive:
Sony 3.5in 2HD Floppy Drive Internal 3 Bezel Colors Windows Retail Box

DVD-RW/CD-RW Combo Drive:
Plextor PX708A DVD±RW Writer
(8x/4x/12x DVD+RW, 4x/2x/12x DVD-RW, 40x/24x/40x CDRW)

Case:
Antec Super LANBoy Aluminum ATX Mid Tower

Operating System:
Windows XP Home

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Anonymous
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August 7, 2004 11:24:05 AM

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>This is the first computer I've ever built, and I'd appreciate any
>feedback on the components I've chosen. Does everything appear to be
>compatible, and/or am I missing anything? I'll primarily be using the
>computer for schoolwork, browsing the Internet, and downloading music.
>
>Processor:
>Intel Pentium 4 w/ HT Technology - 2.8GHz Processor
>(2.8GHz, 1MB, 800MHz FSB, Socket 478)
>
>Motherboard:
>Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Motherboard
>(Pentium 4, Socket 478, 875P, ATX, 4GB DDR, 800MHz FSB)
>
>Hard Drive:
>Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB
>(EIDE, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM)
>
>Video Card:
>XFX GeForce4 MX440 Video Card
>(64MB, AGP 8X, 2D/3D w/TV-Out)
>
>Memory:
>Kingston 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM Memory
>
>Floppy Drive:
>Sony 3.5in 2HD Floppy Drive Internal 3 Bezel Colors Windows Retail Box
>
>DVD-RW/CD-RW Combo Drive:
>Plextor PX708A DVD±RW Writer
>(8x/4x/12x DVD+RW, 4x/2x/12x DVD-RW, 40x/24x/40x CDRW)
>
>Case:
>Antec Super LANBoy Aluminum ATX Mid Tower
>
>Operating System:
>Windows XP Home
>
>
>
>

What about a sound card? Also, although you may already know this, I don't
think the case you've chosen includes a power supply.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
August 7, 2004 12:50:42 PM

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On 07 Aug 2004 07:24:05 GMT, djs0302@aol.comnospam (DJS0302) wrote:

>>This is the first computer I've ever built, and I'd appreciate any
>>feedback on the components I've chosen. Does everything appear to be
>>compatible, and/or am I missing anything? I'll primarily be using the
>>computer for schoolwork, browsing the Internet, and downloading music.
>>
>>Processor:
>>Intel Pentium 4 w/ HT Technology - 2.8GHz Processor
>>(2.8GHz, 1MB, 800MHz FSB, Socket 478)

Ok

>>
>>Motherboard:
>>Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Motherboard
>>(Pentium 4, Socket 478, 875P, ATX, 4GB DDR, 800MHz FSB)

Ok

>>
>>Hard Drive:
>>Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB
>>(EIDE, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM)

Id be tempted to get a maxtor drive or if youre flush a sata raptor
drive

>>
>>Video Card:
>>XFX GeForce4 MX440 Video Card
>>(64MB, AGP 8X, 2D/3D w/TV-Out)

Fine for most games at low settings and fine for everyday pc use
>>
>>Memory:
>>Kingston 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM Memory

ok

>>
>>Floppy Drive:
>>Sony 3.5in 2HD Floppy Drive Internal 3 Bezel Colors Windows Retail Box

ok
>>
>>DVD-RW/CD-RW Combo Drive:
>>Plextor PX708A DVD±RW Writer
>>(8x/4x/12x DVD+RW, 4x/2x/12x DVD-RW, 40x/24x/40x CDRW)

excellent choice if you intend to do karaoke cds, if not then id get a
NEC ND2510A dual layer drive for half the price. ( 8x DVD +/-, 4x
DVD+/-RW, 32x12x40 cd )
>>
>>Case:
>>Antec Super LANBoy Aluminum ATX Mid Tower

Not sure
>>
>>Operating System:
>>Windows XP Home

Ok
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>What about a sound card? Also, although you may already know this, I don't
>think the case you've chosen includes a power supply.

Sound should be buit into the motherboard, if not then if you can
afford it get an audigy card.
Related resources
August 7, 2004 8:19:13 PM

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me!! <pwrberry@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<o629h093a8gegfu2argggljtcqb2kj5qpf@4ax.com>...
> On 07 Aug 2004 07:24:05 GMT, djs0302@aol.comnospam (DJS0302) wrote:
>
> >>This is the first computer I've ever built, and I'd appreciate any
> >>feedback on the components I've chosen. Does everything appear to be
> >>compatible, and/or am I missing anything? I'll primarily be using the
> >>computer for schoolwork, browsing the Internet, and downloading music.
> >>
> >>Processor:
> >>Intel Pentium 4 w/ HT Technology - 2.8GHz Processor
> >>(2.8GHz, 1MB, 800MHz FSB, Socket 478)
>
> Ok
>
> >>
> >>Motherboard:
> >>Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Motherboard
> >>(Pentium 4, Socket 478, 875P, ATX, 4GB DDR, 800MHz FSB)
>
> Ok
>
> >>
> >>Hard Drive:
> >>Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB
> >>(EIDE, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM)
>
> Id be tempted to get a maxtor drive or if youre flush a sata raptor
> drive

Thanks for your advice. Are these better quality brands in your
opinion?

>
> >>
> >>Video Card:
> >>XFX GeForce4 MX440 Video Card
> >>(64MB, AGP 8X, 2D/3D w/TV-Out)
>
> Fine for most games at low settings and fine for everyday pc use
> >>

That's pretty much what I figured. I'm not into games (at this point),
so I didn't see the point in splurging on an expensive video card. If
I change my mind, I can always upgrade.

> >>Memory:
> >>Kingston 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM Memory
>
> ok
>
> >>
> >>Floppy Drive:
> >>Sony 3.5in 2HD Floppy Drive Internal 3 Bezel Colors Windows Retail Box
>
> ok
> >>
> >>DVD-RW/CD-RW Combo Drive:
> >>Plextor PX708A DVD±RW Writer
> >>(8x/4x/12x DVD+RW, 4x/2x/12x DVD-RW, 40x/24x/40x CDRW)
>
> excellent choice if you intend to do karaoke cds, if not then id get a
> NEC ND2510A dual layer drive for half the price. ( 8x DVD +/-, 4x
> DVD+/-RW, 32x12x40 cd )

Thanks, I'll have to look into that.

> >>
> >>Case:
> >>Antec Super LANBoy Aluminum ATX Mid Tower
>
> Not sure
> >>
> >>Operating System:
> >>Windows XP Home
>
> Ok
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >What about a sound card? Also, although you may already know this, I don't
> >think the case you've chosen includes a power supply.
>
> Sound should be buit into the motherboard, if not then if you can
> afford it get an audigy card.
August 7, 2004 10:20:17 PM

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JS wrote:

> This is the first computer I've ever built, and I'd appreciate any
> feedback on the components I've chosen. Does everything appear to be
> compatible, and/or am I missing anything? I'll primarily be using the
> computer for schoolwork, browsing the Internet, and downloading music.
>
> Processor:
> Intel Pentium 4 w/ HT Technology - 2.8GHz Processor
> (2.8GHz, 1MB, 800MHz FSB, Socket 478)

I wouldn't get that Processor if that's what you expect to use the
computer for.

I'd get something like a plain Northwood 2.4Ghz .
They run cooler and I think quieter .

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti...
August 8, 2004 1:02:39 AM

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JS wrote:

> This is the first computer I've ever built, and I'd appreciate any
> feedback on the components I've chosen. Does everything appear to be
> compatible, and/or am I missing anything? I'll primarily be using the
> computer for schoolwork, browsing the Internet, and downloading music.
>
> Processor:
> Intel Pentium 4 w/ HT Technology - 2.8GHz Processor
> (2.8GHz, 1MB, 800MHz FSB, Socket 478)

Why? Why not an Athlon 64, or if you want to save money an Athlon XP?


>
>
> Motherboard:
> Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Motherboard
> (Pentium 4, Socket 478, 875P, ATX, 4GB DDR, 800MHz FSB)

Why?

>
>
> Hard Drive:
> Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB
> (EIDE, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM)
>
> Video Card:
> XFX GeForce4 MX440 Video Card
> (64MB, AGP 8X, 2D/3D w/TV-Out)
>
> Memory:
> Kingston 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM Memory
>
> Floppy Drive:
> Sony 3.5in 2HD Floppy Drive Internal 3 Bezel Colors Windows Retail Box
>
> DVD-RW/CD-RW Combo Drive:
> Plextor PX708A DVD±RW Writer
> (8x/4x/12x DVD+RW, 4x/2x/12x DVD-RW, 40x/24x/40x CDRW)
>

Why not get a Lite On drive instead? LiteOn drive are great and cheap.


>
> Case:
> Antec Super LANBoy Aluminum ATX Mid Tower
>
> Operating System:
> Windows XP Home
Anonymous
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August 8, 2004 2:03:03 AM

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"JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:41157BAF.9C77A7DD@netscape.net...
>
>
> JS wrote:
>
> > This is the first computer I've ever built, and I'd appreciate any
> > feedback on the components I've chosen. Does everything appear to be
> > compatible, and/or am I missing anything? I'll primarily be using the
> > computer for schoolwork, browsing the Internet, and downloading music.
> >
> > Processor:
> > Intel Pentium 4 w/ HT Technology - 2.8GHz Processor
> > (2.8GHz, 1MB, 800MHz FSB, Socket 478)
>
> Why? Why not an Athlon 64, or if you want to save money an Athlon XP?

Because some people like Intel. Why an AMD? Do you work for them? Is that
why you always suggest an AMD?

> >
> >
> > Motherboard:
> > Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Motherboard
> > (Pentium 4, Socket 478, 875P, ATX, 4GB DDR, 800MHz FSB)
>
> Why?
>
> >
> >
> > Hard Drive:
> > Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB
> > (EIDE, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM)
> >
> > Video Card:
> > XFX GeForce4 MX440 Video Card
> > (64MB, AGP 8X, 2D/3D w/TV-Out)
> >
> > Memory:
> > Kingston 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM Memory
> >
> > Floppy Drive:
> > Sony 3.5in 2HD Floppy Drive Internal 3 Bezel Colors Windows Retail Box
> >
> > DVD-RW/CD-RW Combo Drive:
> > Plextor PX708A DVD±RW Writer
> > (8x/4x/12x DVD+RW, 4x/2x/12x DVD-RW, 40x/24x/40x CDRW)
> >
>
> Why not get a Lite On drive instead? LiteOn drive are great and cheap.
>
>
> >
> > Case:
> > Antec Super LANBoy Aluminum ATX Mid Tower
> >
> > Operating System:
> > Windows XP Home
>
August 8, 2004 2:45:36 AM

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Moderately Confused wrote:

> "JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:41157BAF.9C77A7DD@netscape.net...
> >
> >
> > JS wrote:
> >
> > > This is the first computer I've ever built, and I'd appreciate any
> > > feedback on the components I've chosen. Does everything appear to be
> > > compatible, and/or am I missing anything? I'll primarily be using the
> > > computer for schoolwork, browsing the Internet, and downloading music.
> > >
> > > Processor:
> > > Intel Pentium 4 w/ HT Technology - 2.8GHz Processor
> > > (2.8GHz, 1MB, 800MHz FSB, Socket 478)
> >
> > Why? Why not an Athlon 64, or if you want to save money an Athlon XP?
>
> Because some people like Intel.

Why?

> Why an AMD?

AMD processors provide better performance at each price point for the vast
majority of applications. In Doom 3, it takes an $825 P4 3.2 EE to come
close to the performance of a $160 Athlon 64 3000+.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...

In Business Winstone 2004, it takes a $250 P4 3.2 ghz to come close to
a $105 Athlon XP 3000+.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...


> Do you work for them?

No.

> Is that
> why you always suggest an AMD?

AMD processors provide better performance at each price point
in the vast majority of applications than Intel processors. Why pay
more than you have to? It is the reason that I advise people to
buy Lite On drives rather than Plextor drives. Plextor drives are
good, but LiteOn drives are also good, and typically much less
expensive. I also like to root for the underdog.

>
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Motherboard:
> > > Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Motherboard
> > > (Pentium 4, Socket 478, 875P, ATX, 4GB DDR, 800MHz FSB)
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hard Drive:
> > > Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB
> > > (EIDE, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM)
> > >
> > > Video Card:
> > > XFX GeForce4 MX440 Video Card
> > > (64MB, AGP 8X, 2D/3D w/TV-Out)
> > >
> > > Memory:
> > > Kingston 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM Memory
> > >
> > > Floppy Drive:
> > > Sony 3.5in 2HD Floppy Drive Internal 3 Bezel Colors Windows Retail Box
> > >
> > > DVD-RW/CD-RW Combo Drive:
> > > Plextor PX708A DVD±RW Writer
> > > (8x/4x/12x DVD+RW, 4x/2x/12x DVD-RW, 40x/24x/40x CDRW)
> > >
> >
> > Why not get a Lite On drive instead? LiteOn drive are great and cheap.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Case:
> > > Antec Super LANBoy Aluminum ATX Mid Tower
> > >
> > > Operating System:
> > > Windows XP Home
> >
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
August 8, 2004 3:02:26 AM

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> AMD processors provide better performance at each price point
> in the vast majority of applications than Intel processors. Why pay
> more than you have to? It is the reason that I advise people to
> buy Lite On drives rather than Plextor drives. Plextor drives are
> good, but LiteOn drives are also good, and typically much less
> expensive. I also like to root for the underdog.
>

That's too simple, JK. At some specific performance points, Intel -can-
provide better value in terms of bang for buck. Take my last build, for
example. In the price range I was aiming for, I could afford ~low-end
Athlon 64 or a ~mid-range Intel Pentium 4 Prescott. Their performance (for
the ones in my price range) were virtually identical in games and windows
apps, which is all the intended owner of the system cared about. And of
course, since I had a specific price in mind, the price was identical for
the processor. Then I looked at motherboards, and found a really good one
for the P4 at fifty bucks brand new retail price. The closest (decent
quality) motherboard I could find for the Athlon 64 in terms of features was
quite a bit more ($80 and up).

So you can't just look at the processor performance and price. You have to
consider price, quality and features of a mainboard to match it. Only then
can you determine what is the best value, and that won't always be
MD. -Dave
Anonymous
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August 8, 2004 3:14:43 AM

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It's a fine looking system, EXCEPT for the slowww video card you've
selected. I hope you don't plan on playing any modern games with it. (It
is a mis-match in speed with the rest of your system.)

--
DaveW



"JS" <js411983@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:188df0fc.0408062301.267b9a13@posting.google.com...
> This is the first computer I've ever built, and I'd appreciate any
> feedback on the components I've chosen. Does everything appear to be
> compatible, and/or am I missing anything? I'll primarily be using the
> computer for schoolwork, browsing the Internet, and downloading music.
>
> Processor:
> Intel Pentium 4 w/ HT Technology - 2.8GHz Processor
> (2.8GHz, 1MB, 800MHz FSB, Socket 478)
>
> Motherboard:
> Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Motherboard
> (Pentium 4, Socket 478, 875P, ATX, 4GB DDR, 800MHz FSB)
>
> Hard Drive:
> Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB
> (EIDE, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM)
>
> Video Card:
> XFX GeForce4 MX440 Video Card
> (64MB, AGP 8X, 2D/3D w/TV-Out)
>
> Memory:
> Kingston 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM Memory
>
> Floppy Drive:
> Sony 3.5in 2HD Floppy Drive Internal 3 Bezel Colors Windows Retail Box
>
> DVD-RW/CD-RW Combo Drive:
> Plextor PX708A DVD±RW Writer
> (8x/4x/12x DVD+RW, 4x/2x/12x DVD-RW, 40x/24x/40x CDRW)
>
> Case:
> Antec Super LANBoy Aluminum ATX Mid Tower
>
> Operating System:
> Windows XP Home
August 8, 2004 3:34:55 AM

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"Dave C." wrote:

> > AMD processors provide better performance at each price point
> > in the vast majority of applications than Intel processors. Why pay
> > more than you have to? It is the reason that I advise people to
> > buy Lite On drives rather than Plextor drives. Plextor drives are
> > good, but LiteOn drives are also good, and typically much less
> > expensive. I also like to root for the underdog.
> >
>
> That's too simple, JK. At some specific performance points, Intel -can-
> provide better value in terms of bang for buck.

In certain niche applications like video editing, they sometimes do.

> Take my last build, for
> example. In the price range I was aiming for, I could afford ~low-end
> Athlon 64 or a ~mid-range Intel Pentium 4 Prescott.

Which two chips? Was it an Athlon 64 3000+ vs a P4 Prescott 2.8 ghz?

> Their performance (for
> the ones in my price range) were virtually identical in games

Did you look at these Doom 3 benchmarks?
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...

Did you see these other gaming benchmarks?
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...

> and windows
> apps, which is all the intended owner of the system cared about.

The Athlon 64 3000+ beats the P4 3.0 ghz in Business Winstone 2004
by a large margin. It even beats the P4 3.2 ghz Prescott by a significant
margin.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...

For running business software, nothing beats the Athlon XP
chips for value. A $105 Athlon XP3000+ beats a $250 Pentium 4
3.2 ghz in Business Winstone 2004.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...


> And of
> course, since I had a specific price in mind, the price was identical for
> the processor. Then I looked at motherboards, and found a really good one
> for the P4 at fifty bucks brand new retail price. The closest (decent
> quality) motherboard I could find for the Athlon 64 in terms of features was
> quite a bit more ($80 and up).
>
> So you can't just look at the processor performance and price. You have to
> consider price, quality and features of a mainboard to match it. Only then
> can you determine what is the best value, and that won't always be
> MD. -Dave
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
August 8, 2004 6:24:07 AM

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On 7 Aug 2004 16:19:13 -0700, js411983@yahoo.com (JS) wrote:

>me!! <pwrberry@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<o629h093a8gegfu2argggljtcqb2kj5qpf@4ax.com>...
>> On 07 Aug 2004 07:24:05 GMT, djs0302@aol.comnospam (DJS0302) wrote:
>>
>> >>This is the first computer I've ever built, and I'd appreciate any
>> >>feedback on the components I've chosen. Does everything appear to be
>> >>compatible, and/or am I missing anything? I'll primarily be using the
>> >>computer for schoolwork, browsing the Internet, and downloading music.
>> >>
>> >>Processor:
>> >>Intel Pentium 4 w/ HT Technology - 2.8GHz Processor
>> >>(2.8GHz, 1MB, 800MHz FSB, Socket 478)


>>
>> Ok
>>
>> >>
>> >>Motherboard:
>> >>Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Motherboard
>> >>(Pentium 4, Socket 478, 875P, ATX, 4GB DDR, 800MHz FSB)
>>
>> Ok
>>
>> >>
>> >>Hard Drive:
>> >>Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB
>> >>(EIDE, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM)
>>
>> Id be tempted to get a maxtor drive or if youre flush a sata raptor
>> drive
>
>Thanks for your advice. Are these better quality brands in your
>opinion?

I think maxtor are better value than WD, unless of course you want
super fast 10,000 rpm drives like the raptors
>
>>
>> >>
>> >>Video Card:
>> >>XFX GeForce4 MX440 Video Card
>> >>(64MB, AGP 8X, 2D/3D w/TV-Out)
>>
>> Fine for most games at low settings and fine for everyday pc use
>> >>
>
>That's pretty much what I figured. I'm not into games (at this point),
>so I didn't see the point in splurging on an expensive video card. If
>I change my mind, I can always upgrade.


>
>> >>Memory:
>> >>Kingston 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM Memory
>>
>> ok
>>
>> >>
>> >>Floppy Drive:
>> >>Sony 3.5in 2HD Floppy Drive Internal 3 Bezel Colors Windows Retail Box
>>
>> ok
>> >>
>> >>DVD-RW/CD-RW Combo Drive:
>> >>Plextor PX708A DVD±RW Writer
>> >>(8x/4x/12x DVD+RW, 4x/2x/12x DVD-RW, 40x/24x/40x CDRW)
>>
>> excellent choice if you intend to do karaoke cds, if not then id get a
>> NEC ND2510A dual layer drive for half the price. ( 8x DVD +/-, 4x
>> DVD+/-RW, 32x12x40 cd )
>
>Thanks, I'll have to look into that.
>
>> >>
>> >>Case:
>> >>Antec Super LANBoy Aluminum ATX Mid Tower
>>
>> Not sure
>> >>
>> >>Operating System:
>> >>Windows XP Home
>>
>> Ok
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >What about a sound card? Also, although you may already know this, I don't
>> >think the case you've chosen includes a power supply.
>>
>> Sound should be buit into the motherboard, if not then if you can
>> afford it get an audigy card.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
August 8, 2004 5:03:30 PM

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"JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:41159F5F.939FA3D5@netscape.net...
>
>
> "Dave C." wrote:
>
> > > AMD processors provide better performance at each price point
> > > in the vast majority of applications than Intel processors. Why pay
> > > more than you have to? It is the reason that I advise people to
> > > buy Lite On drives rather than Plextor drives. Plextor drives are
> > > good, but LiteOn drives are also good, and typically much less
> > > expensive. I also like to root for the underdog.
> > >
> >
> > That's too simple, JK. At some specific performance points, Intel -can-
> > provide better value in terms of bang for buck.
>
> In certain niche applications like video editing, they sometimes do.
>
> > Take my last build, for
> > example. In the price range I was aiming for, I could afford ~low-end
> > Athlon 64 or a ~mid-range Intel Pentium 4 Prescott.
>
> Which two chips? Was it an Athlon 64 3000+ vs a P4 Prescott 2.8 ghz?
>
> > Their performance (for
> > the ones in my price range) were virtually identical in games
>
> Did you look at these Doom 3 benchmarks?
> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...

One game, no big deal. Every chip has it's own speciality. Some perform
better in different ways.

> Did you see these other gaming benchmarks?
> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...

Again, no big deal. The difference in FPS is marginal, at best.

> > and windows
> > apps, which is all the intended owner of the system cared about.
>
> The Athlon 64 3000+ beats the P4 3.0 ghz in Business Winstone 2004
> by a large margin. It even beats the P4 3.2 ghz Prescott by a significant
> margin.
> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...
>
> For running business software, nothing beats the Athlon XP
> chips for value. A $105 Athlon XP3000+ beats a $250 Pentium 4
> 3.2 ghz in Business Winstone 2004.
> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...

And again, you are qouting only one bit of software, and it's business
related. Do you work for www.anandtech.com? How about an across the board
benchmark. As in the other thread you started, while the AMD 64bit line is
cheaper, in gaming when you raise the screen resolution, the performance of
the processor falls much quicker that that of a P4, as shown by the Doom 3
benchmarks.

> > And of
> > course, since I had a specific price in mind, the price was identical
for
> > the processor. Then I looked at motherboards, and found a really good
one
> > for the P4 at fifty bucks brand new retail price. The closest (decent
> > quality) motherboard I could find for the Athlon 64 in terms of features
was
> > quite a bit more ($80 and up).
> >
> > So you can't just look at the processor performance and price. You have
to
> > consider price, quality and features of a mainboard to match it. Only
then
> > can you determine what is the best value, and that won't always be
> > MD. -Dave
>
August 8, 2004 5:16:59 PM

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Moderately Confused wrote:

> "JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:41159F5F.939FA3D5@netscape.net...
> >
> >
> > "Dave C." wrote:
> >
> > > > AMD processors provide better performance at each price point
> > > > in the vast majority of applications than Intel processors. Why pay
> > > > more than you have to? It is the reason that I advise people to
> > > > buy Lite On drives rather than Plextor drives. Plextor drives are
> > > > good, but LiteOn drives are also good, and typically much less
> > > > expensive. I also like to root for the underdog.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That's too simple, JK. At some specific performance points, Intel -can-
> > > provide better value in terms of bang for buck.
> >
> > In certain niche applications like video editing, they sometimes do.
> >
> > > Take my last build, for
> > > example. In the price range I was aiming for, I could afford ~low-end
> > > Athlon 64 or a ~mid-range Intel Pentium 4 Prescott.
> >
> > Which two chips? Was it an Athlon 64 3000+ vs a P4 Prescott 2.8 ghz?
> >
> > > Their performance (for
> > > the ones in my price range) were virtually identical in games
> >
> > Did you look at these Doom 3 benchmarks?
> > http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...
>
> One game, no big deal. Every chip has it's own speciality. Some perform
> better in different ways.
>
> > Did you see these other gaming benchmarks?
> > http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...
>
> Again, no big deal. The difference in FPS is marginal, at best.
>
> > > and windows
> > > apps, which is all the intended owner of the system cared about.
> >
> > The Athlon 64 3000+ beats the P4 3.0 ghz in Business Winstone 2004
> > by a large margin. It even beats the P4 3.2 ghz Prescott by a significant
> > margin.
> > http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...
> >
> > For running business software, nothing beats the Athlon XP
> > chips for value. A $105 Athlon XP3000+ beats a $250 Pentium 4
> > 3.2 ghz in Business Winstone 2004.
> > http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...
>
> And again, you are qouting only one bit of software, and it's business
> related. Do you work for www.anandtech.com? How about an across the board
> benchmark. As in the other thread you started, while the AMD 64bit line is
> cheaper, in gaming when you raise the screen resolution, the performance of
> the processor falls much quicker that that of a P4, as shown by the Doom 3
> benchmarks.

That is probably due to the limitations of the video card. Even in the higher
resolution, the Athlon 64 3000+ still beats the P4 3.2 EE in Doom 3.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...


>
>
> > > And of
> > > course, since I had a specific price in mind, the price was identical
> for
> > > the processor. Then I looked at motherboards, and found a really good
> one
> > > for the P4 at fifty bucks brand new retail price. The closest (decent
> > > quality) motherboard I could find for the Athlon 64 in terms of features
> was
> > > quite a bit more ($80 and up).
> > >
> > > So you can't just look at the processor performance and price. You have
> to
> > > consider price, quality and features of a mainboard to match it. Only
> then
> > > can you determine what is the best value, and that won't always be
> > > MD. -Dave
> >
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
August 8, 2004 5:46:54 PM

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"JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:4116600A.A20A8C91@netscape.net...
>
>
> Moderately Confused wrote:
>
> > "JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:41159F5F.939FA3D5@netscape.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > "Dave C." wrote:
> > >
> > > > > AMD processors provide better performance at each price point
> > > > > in the vast majority of applications than Intel processors. Why
pay
> > > > > more than you have to? It is the reason that I advise people to
> > > > > buy Lite On drives rather than Plextor drives. Plextor drives are
> > > > > good, but LiteOn drives are also good, and typically much less
> > > > > expensive. I also like to root for the underdog.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's too simple, JK. At some specific performance points,
Intel -can-
> > > > provide better value in terms of bang for buck.
> > >
> > > In certain niche applications like video editing, they sometimes do.
> > >
> > > > Take my last build, for
> > > > example. In the price range I was aiming for, I could afford
~low-end
> > > > Athlon 64 or a ~mid-range Intel Pentium 4 Prescott.
> > >
> > > Which two chips? Was it an Athlon 64 3000+ vs a P4 Prescott 2.8 ghz?
> > >
> > > > Their performance (for
> > > > the ones in my price range) were virtually identical in games
> > >
> > > Did you look at these Doom 3 benchmarks?
> > > http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...
> >
> > One game, no big deal. Every chip has it's own speciality. Some
perform
> > better in different ways.
> >
> > > Did you see these other gaming benchmarks?
> > > http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...
> >
> > Again, no big deal. The difference in FPS is marginal, at best.
> >
> > > > and windows
> > > > apps, which is all the intended owner of the system cared about.
> > >
> > > The Athlon 64 3000+ beats the P4 3.0 ghz in Business Winstone 2004
> > > by a large margin. It even beats the P4 3.2 ghz Prescott by a
significant
> > > margin.
> > > http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...
> > >
> > > For running business software, nothing beats the Athlon XP
> > > chips for value. A $105 Athlon XP3000+ beats a $250 Pentium 4
> > > 3.2 ghz in Business Winstone 2004.
> > > http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...
> >
> > And again, you are qouting only one bit of software, and it's business
> > related. Do you work for www.anandtech.com? How about an across the
board
> > benchmark. As in the other thread you started, while the AMD 64bit line
is
> > cheaper, in gaming when you raise the screen resolution, the performance
of
> > the processor falls much quicker that that of a P4, as shown by the Doom
3
> > benchmarks.
>
> That is probably due to the limitations of the video card. Even in the
higher
> resolution, the Athlon 64 3000+ still beats the P4 3.2 EE in Doom 3.
> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...

You missed the whole point. And it's still only one game that you are
providing benchmarks for... The performance rate drops much more that of an
Intel chip.

> >
> >
> > > > And of
> > > > course, since I had a specific price in mind, the price was
identical
> > for
> > > > the processor. Then I looked at motherboards, and found a really
good
> > one
> > > > for the P4 at fifty bucks brand new retail price. The closest
(decent
> > > > quality) motherboard I could find for the Athlon 64 in terms of
features
> > was
> > > > quite a bit more ($80 and up).
> > > >
> > > > So you can't just look at the processor performance and price. You
have
> > to
> > > > consider price, quality and features of a mainboard to match it.
Only
> > then
> > > > can you determine what is the best value, and that won't always be
> > > > MD. -Dave
> > >
>
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
August 8, 2004 6:42:39 PM

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You might want to check into the AMD processors, you can save some $$ that
way.

--

Lenny Vaz




"JS" <js411983@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:188df0fc.0408062301.267b9a13@posting.google.com...
> This is the first computer I've ever built, and I'd appreciate any
> feedback on the components I've chosen. Does everything appear to be
> compatible, and/or am I missing anything? I'll primarily be using the
> computer for schoolwork, browsing the Internet, and downloading music.
>
> Processor:
> Intel Pentium 4 w/ HT Technology - 2.8GHz Processor
> (2.8GHz, 1MB, 800MHz FSB, Socket 478)
>
> Motherboard:
> Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Motherboard
> (Pentium 4, Socket 478, 875P, ATX, 4GB DDR, 800MHz FSB)
>
> Hard Drive:
> Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB
> (EIDE, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM)
>
> Video Card:
> XFX GeForce4 MX440 Video Card
> (64MB, AGP 8X, 2D/3D w/TV-Out)
>
> Memory:
> Kingston 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM Memory
>
> Floppy Drive:
> Sony 3.5in 2HD Floppy Drive Internal 3 Bezel Colors Windows Retail Box
>
> DVD-RW/CD-RW Combo Drive:
> Plextor PX708A DVD±RW Writer
> (8x/4x/12x DVD+RW, 4x/2x/12x DVD-RW, 40x/24x/40x CDRW)
>
> Case:
> Antec Super LANBoy Aluminum ATX Mid Tower
>
> Operating System:
> Windows XP Home
August 8, 2004 6:53:44 PM

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Using an AMD chip isn't necessarily to save money, it might be to get
much better performance at the same price.

Lenny Vaz wrote:

> You might want to check into the AMD processors, you can save some $$ that
> way.
>
> --
>
> Lenny Vaz
>
> "JS" <js411983@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:188df0fc.0408062301.267b9a13@posting.google.com...
> > This is the first computer I've ever built, and I'd appreciate any
> > feedback on the components I've chosen. Does everything appear to be
> > compatible, and/or am I missing anything? I'll primarily be using the
> > computer for schoolwork, browsing the Internet, and downloading music.
> >
> > Processor:
> > Intel Pentium 4 w/ HT Technology - 2.8GHz Processor
> > (2.8GHz, 1MB, 800MHz FSB, Socket 478)
> >
> > Motherboard:
> > Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Motherboard
> > (Pentium 4, Socket 478, 875P, ATX, 4GB DDR, 800MHz FSB)
> >
> > Hard Drive:
> > Western Digital Caviar SE 200GB
> > (EIDE, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM)
> >
> > Video Card:
> > XFX GeForce4 MX440 Video Card
> > (64MB, AGP 8X, 2D/3D w/TV-Out)
> >
> > Memory:
> > Kingston 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM Memory
> >
> > Floppy Drive:
> > Sony 3.5in 2HD Floppy Drive Internal 3 Bezel Colors Windows Retail Box
> >
> > DVD-RW/CD-RW Combo Drive:
> > Plextor PX708A DVD±RW Writer
> > (8x/4x/12x DVD+RW, 4x/2x/12x DVD-RW, 40x/24x/40x CDRW)
> >
> > Case:
> > Antec Super LANBoy Aluminum ATX Mid Tower
> >
> > Operating System:
> > Windows XP Home
!