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September 2, 2004 7:26:34 AM

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I've got an old P1 running Win98. It has a serial mouse port connector.

I have a basic Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse that ends in a USB
connection, that came with a USB to PS2 converter. I've been using it
on this old machine that has a serial to PS2 connector, just fine.

machine--serial port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse


I've got another machine, of similar vintage, running Win98SE. It also
has a serial mouse port connection, to which I've plugged in a serial to
PS2 converter, and connected an old Logitech Mouse Man Serial mouse,
that has a PS2 plug. It's the one that has three buttons and looks like
a bear claw. It works fine.

I now want to hook up the Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse mentioned
in paragraph 2, with the same connection set up, to this machine. (The
bios is set to automatically recognize a PS2 mouse.)

When I do, Win98 tells me no mouse was detected and if I want to hook up
a PS2 mouse, I have to restart the machine. I have, but it still
doesn't work. The mouse never lights up, or is recognized.

Can anyone help me on this?

TIA

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Anonymous
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September 2, 2004 7:26:35 AM

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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 03:26:34 GMT, Jeff <Jeff@invalid.com> wrote:

>>>I've got an old P1 running Win98. It has a serial mouse port connector.
>>>
>>>I have a basic Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse that ends in a USB
>>>connection, that came with a USB to PS2 converter. I've been using it
>>>on this old machine that has a serial to PS2 connector, just fine.
>>>
>>>machine--serial port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse
>>>
>>>
>>>I've got another machine, of similar vintage, running Win98SE. It also
>>>has a serial mouse port connection, to which I've plugged in a serial to
>>>PS2 converter, and connected an old Logitech Mouse Man Serial mouse,
>>>that has a PS2 plug. It's the one that has three buttons and looks like
>>>a bear claw. It works fine.
>>>
>>>I now want to hook up the Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse mentioned
>>>in paragraph 2, with the same connection set up, to this machine. (The
>>>bios is set to automatically recognize a PS2 mouse.)
>>>
>>>When I do, Win98 tells me no mouse was detected and if I want to hook up
>>>a PS2 mouse, I have to restart the machine. I have, but it still
>>>doesn't work. The mouse never lights up, or is recognized.
>>>
>>>Can anyone help me on this?
>>>
>>>TIA


I just changed over from a serial mouse to a PS/2 mouse on my folks
machine. It is an old Asus board and I had to change some jumpers on
the motherboard as well as in the BIOS to change over. Might
investigate that.


--
The Seabat
September 2, 2004 12:07:03 PM

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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 03:26:34 GMT, Jeff <Jeff@invalid.com> wrote:

>I've got an old P1 running Win98. It has a serial mouse port connector.
>
>I have a basic Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse that ends in a USB
>connection, that came with a USB to PS2 converter. I've been using it
>on this old machine that has a serial to PS2 connector, just fine.
>
>machine--serial port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse
>
>
>I've got another machine, of similar vintage, running Win98SE. It also
>has a serial mouse port connection, to which I've plugged in a serial to
>PS2 converter, and connected an old Logitech Mouse Man Serial mouse,
>that has a PS2 plug. It's the one that has three buttons and looks like
>a bear claw. It works fine.
>
>I now want to hook up the Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse mentioned
>in paragraph 2, with the same connection set up, to this machine. (The
>bios is set to automatically recognize a PS2 mouse.)
>
>When I do, Win98 tells me no mouse was detected and if I want to hook up
>a PS2 mouse, I have to restart the machine. I have, but it still
>doesn't work. The mouse never lights up, or is recognized.
>
>Can anyone help me on this?
>
>TIA
Not all mice will work with a PS/2 converter fitted to a serial
connection.

Buying a serial mouse would seem most satisfactory solution.

KM
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September 2, 2004 12:50:51 PM

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remove the mouse drivers from the device manager and reboot


"Jeff" <Jeff@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9557CFF4EB11Fstetson@63.240.76.16...
> I've got an old P1 running Win98. It has a serial mouse port
connector.
>
> I have a basic Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse that ends in a
USB
> connection, that came with a USB to PS2 converter. I've been using
it
> on this old machine that has a serial to PS2 connector, just fine.
>
> machine--serial port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse
>
>
> I've got another machine, of similar vintage, running Win98SE. It
also
> has a serial mouse port connection, to which I've plugged in a
serial to
> PS2 converter, and connected an old Logitech Mouse Man Serial mouse,
> that has a PS2 plug. It's the one that has three buttons and looks
like
> a bear claw. It works fine.
>
> I now want to hook up the Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse
mentioned
> in paragraph 2, with the same connection set up, to this machine.
(The
> bios is set to automatically recognize a PS2 mouse.)
>
> When I do, Win98 tells me no mouse was detected and if I want to
hook up
> a PS2 mouse, I have to restart the machine. I have, but it still
> doesn't work. The mouse never lights up, or is recognized.
>
> Can anyone help me on this?
>
> TIA
September 2, 2004 5:47:50 PM

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seabat <seabat@boardermail.com> wrote in
news:go7dj0tb6ag8k948t2eid582ab3boinr49@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 03:26:34 GMT, Jeff <Jeff@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>>>I've got an old P1 running Win98. It has a serial mouse port
>>>>connector.
>>>>
>>>>I have a basic Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse that ends in a
>>>>USB connection, that came with a USB to PS2 converter. I've been
>>>>using it on this old machine that has a serial to PS2 connector,
>>>>just fine.
>>>>
>>>>machine--serial port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I've got another machine, of similar vintage, running Win98SE. It
>>>>also has a serial mouse port connection, to which I've plugged in a
>>>>serial to PS2 converter, and connected an old Logitech Mouse Man
>>>>Serial mouse, that has a PS2 plug. It's the one that has three
>>>>buttons and looks like a bear claw. It works fine.
>>>>
>>>>I now want to hook up the Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse
>>>>mentioned in paragraph 2, with the same connection set up, to this
>>>>machine. (The bios is set to automatically recognize a PS2 mouse.)
>>>>
>>>>When I do, Win98 tells me no mouse was detected and if I want to
>>>>hook up a PS2 mouse, I have to restart the machine. I have, but it
>>>>still doesn't work. The mouse never lights up, or is recognized.
>>>>
>>>>Can anyone help me on this?
>>>>
>>>>TIA
>
>
> I just changed over from a serial mouse to a PS/2 mouse on my folks
> machine. It is an old Asus board and I had to change some jumpers on
> the motherboard as well as in the BIOS to change over. Might
> investigate that.
>
>

I'll have to check it out. This is also an old Asus board.

Thanks
September 2, 2004 5:49:27 PM

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km <kevin44@mcgeek.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:4ihdj0dukmffl69764jvgagv1qm8tn714j@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 03:26:34 GMT, Jeff <Jeff@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>I've got an old P1 running Win98. It has a serial mouse port
connector.
>>
>>I have a basic Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse that ends in a USB
>>connection, that came with a USB to PS2 converter. I've been using it
>>on this old machine that has a serial to PS2 connector, just fine.
>>
>>machine--serial port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse
>>
>>
>>I've got another machine, of similar vintage, running Win98SE. It
also
>>has a serial mouse port connection, to which I've plugged in a serial
to
>>PS2 converter, and connected an old Logitech Mouse Man Serial mouse,
>>that has a PS2 plug. It's the one that has three buttons and looks
like
>>a bear claw. It works fine.
>>
>>I now want to hook up the Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse
mentioned
>>in paragraph 2, with the same connection set up, to this machine. (The
>>bios is set to automatically recognize a PS2 mouse.)
>>
>>When I do, Win98 tells me no mouse was detected and if I want to hook
up
>>a PS2 mouse, I have to restart the machine. I have, but it still
>>doesn't work. The mouse never lights up, or is recognized.
>>
>>Can anyone help me on this?
>>
>>TIA
> Not all mice will work with a PS/2 converter fitted to a serial
> connection.
>
> Buying a serial mouse would seem most satisfactory solution.
>
> KM

Hmmm...I didn't know they still made them, esp. optical. I've got
plenty of old serial mice, but not optical.

Thanks
September 4, 2004 7:21:52 PM

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"JAD" <Kapasitor@coldmail.com> wrote in news:10jegb2ld33an19
@corp.supernews.com:

> remove the mouse drivers from the device manager and reboot
>
>
> "Jeff" <Jeff@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9557CFF4EB11Fstetson@63.240.76.16...
>> I've got an old P1 running Win98. It has a serial mouse port
> connector.
>>
>> I have a basic Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse that ends in a
> USB
>> connection, that came with a USB to PS2 converter. I've been using
> it
>> on this old machine that has a serial to PS2 connector, just fine.
>>
>> machine--serial port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse
>>
>>
>> I've got another machine, of similar vintage, running Win98SE. It
> also
>> has a serial mouse port connection, to which I've plugged in a
> serial to
>> PS2 converter, and connected an old Logitech Mouse Man Serial mouse,
>> that has a PS2 plug. It's the one that has three buttons and looks
> like
>> a bear claw. It works fine.
>>
>> I now want to hook up the Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse
> mentioned
>> in paragraph 2, with the same connection set up, to this machine.
> (The
>> bios is set to automatically recognize a PS2 mouse.)
>>
>> When I do, Win98 tells me no mouse was detected and if I want to
> hook up
>> a PS2 mouse, I have to restart the machine. I have, but it still
>> doesn't work. The mouse never lights up, or is recognized.
>>
>> Can anyone help me on this?
>>
>> TIA
>
>
>

Did that. No go.
September 4, 2004 7:44:28 PM

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Jeff <Jeff@invalid.com> wrote in news:Xns9557CFF4EB11Fstetson@
63.240.76.16:

> I've got an old P1 running Win98. It has a serial mouse port
connector.
>
> I have a basic Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse that ends in a USB
> connection, that came with a USB to PS2 converter. I've been using it
> on this old machine that has a serial to PS2 connector, just fine.
>
> machine--serial port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse
>
>
> I've got another machine, of similar vintage, running Win98SE. It
also
> has a serial mouse port connection, to which I've plugged in a serial
to
> PS2 converter, and connected an old Logitech Mouse Man Serial mouse,
> that has a PS2 plug. It's the one that has three buttons and looks
like
> a bear claw. It works fine.
>
> I now want to hook up the Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse
mentioned
> in paragraph 2, with the same connection set up, to this machine. (The
> bios is set to automatically recognize a PS2 mouse.)
>
> When I do, Win98 tells me no mouse was detected and if I want to hook
up
> a PS2 mouse, I have to restart the machine. I have, but it still
> doesn't work. The mouse never lights up, or is recognized.
>
> Can anyone help me on this?
>
> TIA

I need a part...
The motherboard is an Asus P6NP5, vintage 1996. I checked the user's
manual, and per page 19, section 5, External Connectors:

PS/2 Mouse Connector (6-pin block)
If you are using a P/S2 mouse, you must purchase an optional PS/2 mouse
set which connects to the 6 pin block and mounts to an open slot on your
computer's case. The system will direct IRQ12 to the PS/2 mouse if one
is detected. If not detected, expansion cards can use IRQ12. See PS/2
Mouse Control in BIOS FEATURES SETUP.

So, that explains it. Even though the BIOS is set to autodetect a PS/2
mouse, it's not detecting one because I've been connecting it to the
serial COM1 port.

Now, I need to locate a PS/2 mouse 'set'. It's a 6 pin male connector
on one end that connects to the mthbd, and the round PS/2 female
connector on the other end that mounts to the pc case. I've googled all
over, but can't find this. I'm going to start scavenging some other
machines I have, but off hand, I don't think I have this beast anywhere.

Can anyone point me to some online shops that might have this relic?

Thanks
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
September 4, 2004 9:38:22 PM

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Bruce wrote:

> "JAD" <Kapasitor@coldmail.com> wrote in news:10jegb2ld33an19
> @corp.supernews.com:
>
>
>>remove the mouse drivers from the device manager and reboot
>>
>>
>>"Jeff" <Jeff@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>news:Xns9557CFF4EB11Fstetson@63.240.76.16...
>>
>>>I've got an old P1 running Win98. It has a serial mouse port
>>
>>connector.
>>
>>>I have a basic Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse that ends in a
>>
>>USB
>>
>>>connection, that came with a USB to PS2 converter. I've been using
>>
>>it
>>
>>>on this old machine that has a serial to PS2 connector, just fine.
>>>
>>>machine--serial port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse
>>>
>>>
>>>I've got another machine, of similar vintage, running Win98SE. It
>>
>>also
>>
>>>has a serial mouse port connection, to which I've plugged in a
>>
>>serial to
>>
>>>PS2 converter, and connected an old Logitech Mouse Man Serial mouse,
>>>that has a PS2 plug. It's the one that has three buttons and looks
>>
>>like
>>
>>>a bear claw. It works fine.
>>>
>>>I now want to hook up the Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse
>>
>>mentioned
>>
>>>in paragraph 2, with the same connection set up, to this machine.
>>
>>(The
>>
>>>bios is set to automatically recognize a PS2 mouse.)
>>>
>>>When I do, Win98 tells me no mouse was detected and if I want to
>>
>>hook up
>>
>>>a PS2 mouse, I have to restart the machine. I have, but it still
>>>doesn't work. The mouse never lights up, or is recognized.
>>>
>>>Can anyone help me on this?
>>>
>>>TIA
>>
>>
>>
>
> Did that. No go.

The only thing that confuses me in your dilemma is how in the world you
managed to get the serial port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse setup
to work on the other one because ps2 mice do not work on serial ports; the
signals are just not there: in particular, the ps/2 clock. The mice those
PS/2-serial adapters were made for are special "combo" mice that 'work both
ways'.

And not all USB mice work with the USB to PS/2 adapters either, and for the
same reason: USB doesn't have the data clock that PS/2 does. Near as I can
tell you ended up with some serendipitous combination of multiple wrongs
making a right.


I actually found ONE motherboard to PS/2 cable/bracket. I don't know if it
goes just straight on yours but maybe it could be adapted, plus they claim
to have great support to help with that kind of thing.

http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/ps2-add-on-cable.htm
September 5, 2004 4:49:42 AM

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David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in
news:10jkgvaqut478d2@corp.supernews.com:

> Bruce wrote:
>
>> "JAD" <Kapasitor@coldmail.com> wrote in news:10jegb2ld33an19
>> @corp.supernews.com:
>>
>>
>>>remove the mouse drivers from the device manager and reboot
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jeff" <Jeff@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>news:Xns9557CFF4EB11Fstetson@63.240.76.16...
>>>
>>>>I've got an old P1 running Win98. It has a serial mouse port
>>>
>>>connector.
>>>
>>>>I have a basic Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse that ends in a
>>>
>>>USB
>>>
>>>>connection, that came with a USB to PS2 converter. I've been using
>>>
>>>it
>>>
>>>>on this old machine that has a serial to PS2 connector, just fine.
>>>>
>>>>machine--serial port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I've got another machine, of similar vintage, running Win98SE. It
>>>
>>>also
>>>
>>>>has a serial mouse port connection, to which I've plugged in a
>>>
>>>serial to
>>>
>>>>PS2 converter, and connected an old Logitech Mouse Man Serial mouse,
>>>>that has a PS2 plug. It's the one that has three buttons and looks
>>>
>>>like
>>>
>>>>a bear claw. It works fine.
>>>>
>>>>I now want to hook up the Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse
>>>
>>>mentioned
>>>
>>>>in paragraph 2, with the same connection set up, to this machine.
>>>
>>>(The
>>>
>>>>bios is set to automatically recognize a PS2 mouse.)
>>>>
>>>>When I do, Win98 tells me no mouse was detected and if I want to
>>>
>>>hook up
>>>
>>>>a PS2 mouse, I have to restart the machine. I have, but it still
>>>>doesn't work. The mouse never lights up, or is recognized.
>>>>
>>>>Can anyone help me on this?
>>>>
>>>>TIA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Did that. No go.
>
> The only thing that confuses me in your dilemma is how in the world
> you managed to get the serial
> port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse setup to work on the other
> one because ps2 mice do not work on serial ports; the signals are just
> not there: in particular, the ps/2 clock. The mice those PS/2-serial
> adapters were made for are special "combo" mice that 'work both ways'.
>
> And not all USB mice work with the USB to PS/2 adapters either, and
> for the same reason: USB doesn't have the data clock that PS/2 does.
> Near as I can tell you ended up with some serendipitous combination of
> multiple wrongs making a right.

Hi, David,

I thought I was the only one that used serendipitous.

I wasn't responsible for getting it to work on that machine. I got that
setup from our IT department, who was getting rid of the machine years
ago. I use it mainly for storage and it's networked in my garage. I
never really questioned the setup until I ran into the situation I have
now. Now it confuses me, too. Next time I open up the case or go into
the bios, I might investigate a little.

>
>
> I actually found ONE motherboard to PS/2 cable/bracket. I don't know
> if it goes just straight on yours but maybe it could be adapted, plus
> they claim to have great support to help with that kind of thing.
>
> http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/ps2-add-on-cable.htm
>

Funny, that's the one I found, too. The pin assignments are not the
proper ones for the Asus I have, but I could rewire.

Asus assignments are:
1 gnd 2 data 3 4 vcc
5 clk 6 7 8

Thanks for all the help.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
September 5, 2004 10:21:03 AM

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Bruce wrote:
> David Maynard <dNOTmayn@ev1.net> wrote in
> news:10jkgvaqut478d2@corp.supernews.com:
>
>
>>Bruce wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"JAD" <Kapasitor@coldmail.com> wrote in news:10jegb2ld33an19
>>>@corp.supernews.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>remove the mouse drivers from the device manager and reboot
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Jeff" <Jeff@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:Xns9557CFF4EB11Fstetson@63.240.76.16...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I've got an old P1 running Win98. It has a serial mouse port
>>>>
>>>>connector.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have a basic Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse that ends in a
>>>>
>>>>USB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>connection, that came with a USB to PS2 converter. I've been using
>>>>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>on this old machine that has a serial to PS2 connector, just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>machine--serial port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I've got another machine, of similar vintage, running Win98SE. It
>>>>
>>>>also
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>has a serial mouse port connection, to which I've plugged in a
>>>>
>>>>serial to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>PS2 converter, and connected an old Logitech Mouse Man Serial mouse,
>>>>>that has a PS2 plug. It's the one that has three buttons and looks
>>>>
>>>>like
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a bear claw. It works fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>I now want to hook up the Microsoft optical wheel wired mouse
>>>>
>>>>mentioned
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>in paragraph 2, with the same connection set up, to this machine.
>>>>
>>>>(The
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>bios is set to automatically recognize a PS2 mouse.)
>>>>>
>>>>>When I do, Win98 tells me no mouse was detected and if I want to
>>>>
>>>>hook up
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a PS2 mouse, I have to restart the machine. I have, but it still
>>>>>doesn't work. The mouse never lights up, or is recognized.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can anyone help me on this?
>>>>>
>>>>>TIA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Did that. No go.
>>
>>The only thing that confuses me in your dilemma is how in the world
>>you managed to get the serial
>>port---serial/PS2---PS2/USB---USB===mouse setup to work on the other
>>one because ps2 mice do not work on serial ports; the signals are just
>>not there: in particular, the ps/2 clock. The mice those PS/2-serial
>>adapters were made for are special "combo" mice that 'work both ways'.
>>
>>And not all USB mice work with the USB to PS/2 adapters either, and
>>for the same reason: USB doesn't have the data clock that PS/2 does.
>>Near as I can tell you ended up with some serendipitous combination of
>>multiple wrongs making a right.
>
>
> Hi, David,
>
> I thought I was the only one that used serendipitous.

Shows you have good taste too ;) 

So much more lyrical than 'just plain lucky', dontcha think?


> I wasn't responsible for getting it to work on that machine. I got that
> setup from our IT department, who was getting rid of the machine years
> ago. I use it mainly for storage and it's networked in my garage. I
> never really questioned the setup until I ran into the situation I have
> now. Now it confuses me, too. Next time I open up the case or go into
> the bios, I might investigate a little.

Hard to tell but I suspect the key is the USB mouse being one of those
'dual mode' things (the ones that come with PS/2 adapters) and it may even
have 'invented' a mode somehow: like the I/O lines 'sensed' it should
operate single ended, as with PS/2 style signals, but the decoder says, but
hey, it's no-clock serial data.

The problem with that is serial ports don't always work with 0-5V signals
because, 'officially', they require '1' to be <= -3V (it's a bipolar +-
3-25v signal) but modern electronics often 'cheat', because it's simple and
cheap, and simply snip off the negative swing; interpreting anything near
zero (and below) to be the 'mark' (1) signal.

Note that a single bipolar line with ground, rs232 serial, is not the same
thing as a + and - differential pair, as in USB.


>>I actually found ONE motherboard to PS/2 cable/bracket. I don't know
>>if it goes just straight on yours but maybe it could be adapted, plus
>>they claim to have great support to help with that kind of thing.
>>
>>http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/ps2-add-on-cable.htm
>>
>
>
> Funny, that's the one I found, too. The pin assignments are not the
> proper ones for the Asus I have, but I could rewire.
>
> Asus assignments are:
> 1 gnd 2 data 3 4 vcc
> 5 clk 6 7 8

Amusing as that's the same pinout as their Tyan S1571S 'tricky example', so
you have the instructions right there on the web page, assuming your pinout
list is from the same 'insert the wires' side (top view).

For 13 bucks, though, I'd probably find an old PS/2 DIN somewhere, a header
of some sort, and hack the thing myself.

> Thanks for all the help.
>
!