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Looking fo something in USB2. I've been looking at ratings on
VideoHelp.com. It seems like someone has a problem with every device.
Some picture quality is bad, some crash, some drivers blow... Anyone
using anything thats works and installs good? I'm running WinXP on P4
@ 3.0 Ghz with hyperthreading, 1Gb DDR, dual SATA drives in a RAID 0.
 
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<sdeyoreo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Looking fo something in USB2. I've been looking at ratings on
> VideoHelp.com. It seems like someone has a problem with every device.

If they're trying to capture high-bandwidth video over a USB2 connection,
it's no wonder they have a problem with every device. I've had good luck
with a Leadtek Winfast TV2000 XP Expert PCI card. I record movies off DBS
to replay them later. -Dave
 
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So you think I'm better off with a PCI card than an external USB2
device?
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:22:52 -0400, "Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:

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><sdeyoreo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8f27k05banhio1bb00aepujc7ef9iuoltp@4ax.com...
>> Looking fo something in USB2. I've been looking at ratings on
>> VideoHelp.com. It seems like someone has a problem with every device.
>
>If they're trying to capture high-bandwidth video over a USB2 connection,
>it's no wonder they have a problem with every device. I've had good luck
>with a Leadtek Winfast TV2000 XP Expert PCI card. I record movies off DBS
>to replay them later. -Dave
>
 
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:31:40 -0400, sdeyoreo@hotmail.com whipped out
"The Mallet O' Understanding" and bashed *this* into my head:

>So you think I'm better off with a PCI card than an external USB2
>device?

I don't know what he thinks, but my response is: "oh, *yeah*.
Definitely."

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<sdeyoreo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> So you think I'm better off with a PCI card than an external USB2
> device?

A LOT. That is, unless the external USB2 device has it's own mass storage,
such as a 100GB hard drive, to record video to be transferred over USB2 to
the computer LATER. -Dave
 
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unless you want to capture direct to MPEG your best option is a firewire
device like the canopus advc, datavideo dac or ads pyro av link. you can
still capture to MPEG with these but you'll need software that can convert
on the fly to do it, mainconcepts mpeg encoder works well for this.

<sdeyoreo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Looking fo something in USB2. I've been looking at ratings on
> VideoHelp.com. It seems like someone has a problem with every device.
> Some picture quality is bad, some crash, some drivers blow... Anyone
> using anything thats works and installs good? I'm running WinXP on P4
> @ 3.0 Ghz with hyperthreading, 1Gb DDR, dual SATA drives in a RAID 0.
 
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John Mann <metroboyeh5@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>>So you think I'm better off with a PCI card than an external USB2
>>device?
>
> I don't know what he thinks, but my response is: "oh, *yeah*.
> Definitely."
>

Can you please explain why an internal PCI card is better then external
USB?

TIA
 
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> >
>
> Can you please explain why an internal PCI card is better then external
> USB?
>
> TIA

BANDWIDTH!!! Video capture needs lots of it. USB2 might be fine for low
resolution video at low framerates, but I honestly don't think it would have
enough bandwidth to support that, even. If users of USB2 video capture
devices are reporting problems, that pretty much confirms what I suspect . .
.. not enough bandwidth on USB2 for such a device. -Dave
 
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I have Firewire ports also. Whats the data rate of each: USB2, PCI bus
& FireWire?
Now the question gets narrowed down: Anyone recommend a "installation
& operation problem free" PCI tv tuner/video capture card? (I don't
wnat replace my ATI video card) ATI, WinTV, PCTV? I read that ATI
software is a pain. WinTV (haupage?) I read good things about. Lotsa
3rd party stuff for it. PCTV by Pinnacle, no opinion.
Besides the tv, I want to capture camcorder video, edit it, and as a
later option, burn to DVD.
 
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sdeyoreo@hotmail.com wrote in
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> I have Firewire ports also. Whats the data rate of each: USB2, PCI bus
> & FireWire?
> Now the question gets narrowed down: Anyone recommend a "installation
> & operation problem free" PCI tv tuner/video capture card? (I don't
> wnat replace my ATI video card) ATI, WinTV, PCTV? I read that ATI
> software is a pain. WinTV (haupage?) I read good things about. Lotsa
> 3rd party stuff for it. PCTV by Pinnacle, no opinion.
> Besides the tv, I want to capture camcorder video, edit it, and as a
> later option, burn to DVD.


From: http://www.usb.org/faq/ans2#q2

standard parallel port: 115kBYTES/s (.115MBYTES/s)
Original USB: 12Mbits/s (1.5MBYTES/s) <----USB1
ECP/EPP parallel port: 3MBYTES/s
IDE: 3.3-16.7MBYTES/s
SCSI-1: 5MBYTES/s
SCSI-2 (Fast SCSI, Fast Narrow SCSI): 10MBYTES/s
Fast Wide SCSI (Wide SCSI): 20MBYTES/s
Ultra SCSI (SCSI-3, Fast-20, Ultra Narrow): 20MBYTES/s
UltraIDE: 33MBYTES/s
Wide Ultra SCSI (Fast Wide 20): 40MBYTES/s
Ultra2 SCSI: 40MBYTES/s
IEEE-1394: 100-400Mbits/s (12.5--50MBYTES/s) <----Firewire
Hi-Speed USB: 480Mbits/s <----USB2
Wide Ultra2 SCSI: 80MBYTES/s
Ultra3 SCSI: 80MBYTES/s
Wide Ultra3 SCSI: 160MBYTES/s
FC-AL Fiber Channel: 100-400MBYTES/s

I'll take a stab at PCI:

33MHz X 4bytes/Hz = 132Mbytes/second = 1gigabit/second
 
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JS wrote:

> sdeyoreo@hotmail.com wrote in
> news:0ic9k09orr5vfera173rclog9iriuuo3ku@4ax.com:
>
>
>>I have Firewire ports also. Whats the data rate of each: USB2, PCI bus
>>& FireWire?
>>Now the question gets narrowed down: Anyone recommend a "installation
>>& operation problem free" PCI tv tuner/video capture card? (I don't
>>wnat replace my ATI video card) ATI, WinTV, PCTV? I read that ATI
>>software is a pain. WinTV (haupage?) I read good things about. Lotsa
>>3rd party stuff for it. PCTV by Pinnacle, no opinion.
>> Besides the tv, I want to capture camcorder video, edit it, and as a
>>later option, burn to DVD.
>
>
>
> From: http://www.usb.org/faq/ans2#q2
>
> standard parallel port: 115kBYTES/s (.115MBYTES/s)
> Original USB: 12Mbits/s (1.5MBYTES/s) <----USB1
> ECP/EPP parallel port: 3MBYTES/s
> IDE: 3.3-16.7MBYTES/s
> SCSI-1: 5MBYTES/s
> SCSI-2 (Fast SCSI, Fast Narrow SCSI): 10MBYTES/s
> Fast Wide SCSI (Wide SCSI): 20MBYTES/s
> Ultra SCSI (SCSI-3, Fast-20, Ultra Narrow): 20MBYTES/s
> UltraIDE: 33MBYTES/s
and 66MBYTES/s
and 100MBYTES/s
and 133MBYTES/s

> Wide Ultra SCSI (Fast Wide 20): 40MBYTES/s
> Ultra2 SCSI: 40MBYTES/s
> IEEE-1394: 100-400Mbits/s (12.5--50MBYTES/s) <----Firewire
> Hi-Speed USB: 480Mbits/s <----USB2
> Wide Ultra2 SCSI: 80MBYTES/s
> Ultra3 SCSI: 80MBYTES/s
> Wide Ultra3 SCSI: 160MBYTES/s
> FC-AL Fiber Channel: 100-400MBYTES/s
>
> I'll take a stab at PCI:
>
> 33MHz X 4bytes/Hz = 132Mbytes/second = 1gigabit/second

Just for the sake of precision, the clocks are actually 33.3333...Mhz, so
it's 133.333...Mbytes/second
 
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Cool, thanks. Now wonder Firewire is called FireWire!
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:51:04 GMT, JS <JS@huh.wha> wrote:

>sdeyoreo@hotmail.com wrote in
>news:0ic9k09orr5vfera173rclog9iriuuo3ku@4ax.com:
>
>> I have Firewire ports also. Whats the data rate of each: USB2, PCI bus
>> & FireWire?
>> Now the question gets narrowed down: Anyone recommend a "installation
>> & operation problem free" PCI tv tuner/video capture card? (I don't
>> wnat replace my ATI video card) ATI, WinTV, PCTV? I read that ATI
>> software is a pain. WinTV (haupage?) I read good things about. Lotsa
>> 3rd party stuff for it. PCTV by Pinnacle, no opinion.
>> Besides the tv, I want to capture camcorder video, edit it, and as a
>> later option, burn to DVD.
>
>
>From: http://www.usb.org/faq/ans2#q2
>
>standard parallel port: 115kBYTES/s (.115MBYTES/s)
>Original USB: 12Mbits/s (1.5MBYTES/s) <----USB1
>ECP/EPP parallel port: 3MBYTES/s
>IDE: 3.3-16.7MBYTES/s
>SCSI-1: 5MBYTES/s
>SCSI-2 (Fast SCSI, Fast Narrow SCSI): 10MBYTES/s
>Fast Wide SCSI (Wide SCSI): 20MBYTES/s
>Ultra SCSI (SCSI-3, Fast-20, Ultra Narrow): 20MBYTES/s
>UltraIDE: 33MBYTES/s
>Wide Ultra SCSI (Fast Wide 20): 40MBYTES/s
>Ultra2 SCSI: 40MBYTES/s
>IEEE-1394: 100-400Mbits/s (12.5--50MBYTES/s) <----Firewire
>Hi-Speed USB: 480Mbits/s <----USB2
>Wide Ultra2 SCSI: 80MBYTES/s
>Ultra3 SCSI: 80MBYTES/s
>Wide Ultra3 SCSI: 160MBYTES/s
>FC-AL Fiber Channel: 100-400MBYTES/s
>
>I'll take a stab at PCI:
>
>33MHz X 4bytes/Hz = 132Mbytes/second = 1gigabit/second
 
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