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September 19, 2004 8:31:25 AM

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I'm gonna finally build my first box and would appreciate any and all
advice on hardware. I'd like to keep it around $2000. As you can see,
I'm already a little over per Newegg. Here are my tentative plans:


Intel Pentium 4/ 3.4C GHz 800MHz FSB-------------$329.00

ABIT IC7-G MAXII ADVANCE i875P Chipset-----------$135.00

CORSAIR 184-Pin 512MB ECC REG DDR PC-3200, Model
CM72SD512RLP-3200----------------------------"X2"$250.00

HIS Excalibur RADEON X800 PRO IceQ II Video Card-$468.00

Maxtor Ultra Series Kit 160GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model
L01M160------------------------------------------$135.99

ASUS Black 16X16 Dual ±R/RW & 4X Double Layer Drive, Model
DRW-1604P---------------------------------------- $92.00

ASUS Black 52X32X52 IDE Internal CD-RW Drive Model
CRW-5232AS--------------------------------------- $31.00

Thermaltake Black Xaser V Damier Full-Tower Case 420W Power
Supply-------------------------------------------$156.50

I/O Magic 1.44MB 3.5 Inch Internal Floppy Drive-- $21.00

SONY SDM-S73/B 17" LCD
Monitor------------------------------------------$409.00

IN WIN USB Digital Card Reader/Writer(Black) INTERNAL, Model CR
I530B-------------------------------------------- $19.75

Logitech Z-5300 5.1 THX Certified Speaker System-$139.00

Microsoft Standard Wireless Optical Desktop Keyboard and
Mouse-------------------------------------------- $53.00

_______

$2238.74

Any advice on better hardware in the same price range, compatability
issues, or anything that you can think of would be GREATLY
appreciated!

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September 19, 2004 12:40:26 PM

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Byte_da_chip wrote:

> I'm gonna finally build my first box and would appreciate any and all
> advice on hardware. I'd like to keep it around $2000. As you can see,
> I'm already a little over per Newegg. Here are my tentative plans:
>
> Intel Pentium 4/ 3.4C GHz 800MHz FSB-------------$329.00

Why use a 32 bit processor? Go for a 64 bit processor instead.
An Athlon 64 3500+ is only around $330. An Athlon 64 3500+
uses a socket 939 motherboard.

>
>
> ABIT IC7-G MAXII ADVANCE i875P Chipset-----------$135.00

>
>
> CORSAIR 184-Pin 512MB ECC REG DDR PC-3200, Model
> CM72SD512RLP-3200----------------------------"X2"$250.00

Why registered ECC ram? If you really want registered ECC ram, you could
use an Opteron 148 rather than an Athlon 64 3500+, and get a Socket 940
motherboard (that is what an Opteron requires).

>
>
> HIS Excalibur RADEON X800 PRO IceQ II Video Card-$468.00
>
> Maxtor Ultra Series Kit 160GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model
> L01M160------------------------------------------$135.99
>
> ASUS Black 16X16 Dual ±R/RW & 4X Double Layer Drive, Model
> DRW-1604P---------------------------------------- $92.00
>
> ASUS Black 52X32X52 IDE Internal CD-RW Drive Model
> CRW-5232AS--------------------------------------- $31.00
>
> Thermaltake Black Xaser V Damier Full-Tower Case 420W Power
> Supply-------------------------------------------$156.50
>
> I/O Magic 1.44MB 3.5 Inch Internal Floppy Drive-- $21.00
>
> SONY SDM-S73/B 17" LCD
> Monitor------------------------------------------$409.00

Why not get a 19" one? It is probably only around $100 more.

>
>
> IN WIN USB Digital Card Reader/Writer(Black) INTERNAL, Model CR
> I530B-------------------------------------------- $19.75
>
> Logitech Z-5300 5.1 THX Certified Speaker System-$139.00
>
> Microsoft Standard Wireless Optical Desktop Keyboard and
> Mouse-------------------------------------------- $53.00
>
> _______
>
> $2238.74
>
> Any advice on better hardware in the same price range, compatability
> issues, or anything that you can think of would be GREATLY
> appreciated!
September 19, 2004 5:13:58 PM

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Matt wrote:

> Byte_da_chip wrote:
> > I'm gonna finally build my first box and would appreciate any and all
> > advice on hardware. I'd like to keep it around $2000. As you can see,
> > I'm already a little over per Newegg. Here are my tentative plans:
>
> I'm surprised it's still possible to spend more than $2000 on a
> computer. $2238 and you only get a 17" monitor? And no operating
> system? I sense some wrong thinking somewhere.

So much for a 32 bit system is crazy. Paying $329 for a 32 bit cpu is
totally crazy. I have no idea why he wants to use very high priced
registered ECC ddr ram. He could go with an Athlon 64 3500+
for around $330, then use a $75 512 meg stick of PC3200 ddr ram.
That is $175 saved right there. Around $100 of that could go towards
choosing a 19" lcd monitor instead of a 17" one. I don't know why
he chose such a high priced video card. It seems a bit much, even
for a gamer. He didn't include the price of an OS.
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Anonymous
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September 19, 2004 11:53:08 PM

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I think you're overspending for what you've got there.
I can do better for 1500 or less. CPU, memory,
video card, monitor, power supply all seem overpriced
to me. A 17in LCD coupled with a $468 vid card is a
mismatch. For gaming, I wouldn't buy a LCD, especially one
under 19inch. Once you've used a 19 there is no going
back. When you can get a great 19inch NEC apperture
grille CRT for under 250, why spend 400 for a 17inch LCD?

Generally, the latest and greatest often isn't the greatest,
because the latest is often the buggiest. This is true for hardware
just like it is for software. That's why it's often wiser to buy more
mature models, not always, but that's the case more often than not.

Since it's your first build, I think you're going to
realize that doing it right is more complicated than
you may have imagined. Configuring everything
just right is not easy, there are tons of minor
issues that can come up. So besides buying right, you need
to spend time researching about potential problems and issues, such
as install orders, bigLBA issues, BIOS settings, troubleshooting
techniques etc. Buying and building right is not as easy as some
people make out. I usually like to pay a visit to the manufacturer's support
site, check some forums, Intel and MS support sites, and various online
reviews on www, besides newsgroups.





"Byte_da_chip" <bert@techie.com> wrote in message
news:139c120.0409190331.28b819d2@posting.google.com...
> I'm gonna finally build my first box and would appreciate any and all
> advice on hardware. I'd like to keep it around $2000. As you can see,
> I'm already a little over per Newegg. Here are my tentative plans:
>
>
> Intel Pentium 4/ 3.4C GHz 800MHz FSB-------------$329.00
>
> ABIT IC7-G MAXII ADVANCE i875P Chipset-----------$135.00
>
> CORSAIR 184-Pin 512MB ECC REG DDR PC-3200, Model
> CM72SD512RLP-3200----------------------------"X2"$250.00
>
> HIS Excalibur RADEON X800 PRO IceQ II Video Card-$468.00
>
> Maxtor Ultra Series Kit 160GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model
> L01M160------------------------------------------$135.99
>
> ASUS Black 16X16 Dual ±R/RW & 4X Double Layer Drive, Model
> DRW-1604P---------------------------------------- $92.00
>
> ASUS Black 52X32X52 IDE Internal CD-RW Drive Model
> CRW-5232AS--------------------------------------- $31.00
>
> Thermaltake Black Xaser V Damier Full-Tower Case 420W Power
> Supply-------------------------------------------$156.50
>
> I/O Magic 1.44MB 3.5 Inch Internal Floppy Drive-- $21.00
>
> SONY SDM-S73/B 17" LCD
> Monitor------------------------------------------$409.00
>
> IN WIN USB Digital Card Reader/Writer(Black) INTERNAL, Model CR
> I530B-------------------------------------------- $19.75
>
> Logitech Z-5300 5.1 THX Certified Speaker System-$139.00
>
> Microsoft Standard Wireless Optical Desktop Keyboard and
> Mouse-------------------------------------------- $53.00
>
> _______
>
> $2238.74
>
> Any advice on better hardware in the same price range, compatability
> issues, or anything that you can think of would be GREATLY
> appreciated!
Anonymous
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September 19, 2004 11:53:09 PM

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"Raymond" <StopSpam@Now.net> wrote in message
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>
> I think you're overspending for what you've got there.
> I can do better for 1500 or less. CPU, memory,
> video card, monitor, power supply all seem overpriced
> to me. A 17in LCD coupled with a $468 vid card is a
> mismatch. For gaming, I wouldn't buy a LCD, especially one
> under 19inch. Once you've used a 19 there is no going
> back.

I disagree. Early LCD monitors suffered from ghosting, but he shouldn't
have that problem with any current LCD monitor, unless he really cheaps out
on it. A decent name-brand 17" LCD is going to be as large as a 19" CRT, as
far as viewing area goes. My nephew is an avid gamer. He loves playing
high-speed action games on NEC brand LCD monitors including my LCD1760V and
his own LCD1565. Note that's a 15" LCD monitor, and it is a kick-butt
gaming monitor. The image quality BLOWS AWAY anything that uses a CRT, and
it has no ghosting at all. Any mid-range 17" LCD should be just as good (if
not better) for gaming now than any 19" CRT. It costs more, but it frees up
gobs of desk space, also. -Dave
Anonymous
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September 20, 2004 12:49:25 AM

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Ghosting is not the only issue with LCDs, there
are issues with angle of view, brightness,
resolutions dependencies, and others. It's
time has not come, not for me anyway.

"Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote in message news:2r68kfF15p1gjU1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Raymond" <StopSpam@Now.net> wrote in message
> news:Esl3d.4408$vd1.3286@trnddc03...
> >
> > I think you're overspending for what you've got there.
> > I can do better for 1500 or less. CPU, memory,
> > video card, monitor, power supply all seem overpriced
> > to me. A 17in LCD coupled with a $468 vid card is a
> > mismatch. For gaming, I wouldn't buy a LCD, especially one
> > under 19inch. Once you've used a 19 there is no going
> > back.
>
> I disagree. Early LCD monitors suffered from ghosting, but he shouldn't
> have that problem with any current LCD monitor, unless he really cheaps out
> on it. A decent name-brand 17" LCD is going to be as large as a 19" CRT, as
> far as viewing area goes. My nephew is an avid gamer. He loves playing
> high-speed action games on NEC brand LCD monitors including my LCD1760V and
> his own LCD1565. Note that's a 15" LCD monitor, and it is a kick-butt
> gaming monitor. The image quality BLOWS AWAY anything that uses a CRT, and
> it has no ghosting at all. Any mid-range 17" LCD should be just as good (if
> not better) for gaming now than any 19" CRT. It costs more, but it frees up
> gobs of desk space, also. -Dave
>
>
September 21, 2004 2:43:43 PM

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amd'rs this whole setup is ridiculous................

I would rather have a p4 2.8 with a 22" LCD/CRT 2 gigs ram 200+gig
storage with an all -in- wonder card of some kind (because that's what
would benefit me), than that planned system for that money.

First off---- WHAT THE HECK are you gong to use it for? No one here
could possibly give you any GOOD advice unless you tell us that. Your
planned system could have some use in certain scenarios...like
bragging allot, as you chat on AOL, but then you could do that on a
PII 333, and just say you have whatever you want and save yourself
1900 dollars.


"Byte_da_chip" <bert@techie.com> wrote in message
news:139c120.0409190331.28b819d2@posting.google.com...
> I'm gonna finally build my first box and would appreciate any and
all
> advice on hardware. I'd like to keep it around $2000. As you can
see,
> I'm already a little over per Newegg. Here are my tentative plans:
>
>
> Intel Pentium 4/ 3.4C GHz 800MHz FSB-------------$329.00
>
> ABIT IC7-G MAXII ADVANCE i875P Chipset-----------$135.00
>
> CORSAIR 184-Pin 512MB ECC REG DDR PC-3200, Model
> CM72SD512RLP-3200----------------------------"X2"$250.00
>
> HIS Excalibur RADEON X800 PRO IceQ II Video Card-$468.00
>
> Maxtor Ultra Series Kit 160GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model
> L01M160------------------------------------------$135.99
>
> ASUS Black 16X16 Dual ±R/RW & 4X Double Layer Drive, Model
> DRW-1604P---------------------------------------- $92.00
>
> ASUS Black 52X32X52 IDE Internal CD-RW Drive Model
> CRW-5232AS--------------------------------------- $31.00
>
> Thermaltake Black Xaser V Damier Full-Tower Case 420W Power
> Supply-------------------------------------------$156.50
>
> I/O Magic 1.44MB 3.5 Inch Internal Floppy Drive-- $21.00
>
> SONY SDM-S73/B 17" LCD
> Monitor------------------------------------------$409.00
>
> IN WIN USB Digital Card Reader/Writer(Black) INTERNAL, Model CR
> I530B-------------------------------------------- $19.75
>
> Logitech Z-5300 5.1 THX Certified Speaker System-$139.00
>
> Microsoft Standard Wireless Optical Desktop Keyboard and
> Mouse-------------------------------------------- $53.00
>
> _______
>
> $2238.74
>
> Any advice on better hardware in the same price range, compatability
> issues, or anything that you can think of would be GREATLY
> appreciated!
September 21, 2004 4:45:46 PM

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Do you plan to play Doom 3? If so, I suggest that you look at this.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...

Byte_da_chip wrote:

> I'm gonna finally build my first box and would appreciate any and all
> advice on hardware. I'd like to keep it around $2000. As you can see,
> I'm already a little over per Newegg. Here are my tentative plans:
>
> Intel Pentium 4/ 3.4C GHz 800MHz FSB-------------$329.00
>
> ABIT IC7-G MAXII ADVANCE i875P Chipset-----------$135.00
>
> CORSAIR 184-Pin 512MB ECC REG DDR PC-3200, Model
> CM72SD512RLP-3200----------------------------"X2"$250.00
>
> HIS Excalibur RADEON X800 PRO IceQ II Video Card-$468.00
>
> Maxtor Ultra Series Kit 160GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model
> L01M160------------------------------------------$135.99
>
> ASUS Black 16X16 Dual ±R/RW & 4X Double Layer Drive, Model
> DRW-1604P---------------------------------------- $92.00
>
> ASUS Black 52X32X52 IDE Internal CD-RW Drive Model
> CRW-5232AS--------------------------------------- $31.00
>
> Thermaltake Black Xaser V Damier Full-Tower Case 420W Power
> Supply-------------------------------------------$156.50
>
> I/O Magic 1.44MB 3.5 Inch Internal Floppy Drive-- $21.00
>
> SONY SDM-S73/B 17" LCD
> Monitor------------------------------------------$409.00
>
> IN WIN USB Digital Card Reader/Writer(Black) INTERNAL, Model CR
> I530B-------------------------------------------- $19.75
>
> Logitech Z-5300 5.1 THX Certified Speaker System-$139.00
>
> Microsoft Standard Wireless Optical Desktop Keyboard and
> Mouse-------------------------------------------- $53.00
>
> _______
>
> $2238.74
>
> Any advice on better hardware in the same price range, compatability
> issues, or anything that you can think of would be GREATLY
> appreciated!
September 21, 2004 5:37:35 PM

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"Dave C." wrote:

> >
> > Stop the nonsense. Compare chips similar in price and look at the
> > benchmarks.
> > AMD processors outperform comparably priced Intel processors for
gaming,
> > business applications, mathematical calculations, and many other
types of
> > applications.
>
> OK, according to pricewatch, same price range at the moment would be:
>
> P4 3.2 Prescott vs. Athlon64 3200+ or

$220 vs $185. not exactly the same.

>
>
> P4 3.4 Prescott vs. Athlon64 3400+

$282 vs $255. A bit closer.

>
>
> Beyond that range, you can pay up to several hundred dollars for
either an
> Intel or AMD chip, but hardly anyobody gives a damn about those chips,
as
> hardly anybody spends as much on a processor as they do on the entire
rest
> of their system combined.

Many gamers buy more expensive processors. If someone spends
$600 on a video card, they can easily spend $300-$600 on a cpu.
Those doing scientific calculations also often tend to buy high
performing processors.

>
>
> So the P4 3.2/3.4 and Athlon64 3200/3400 would be the best indicators
of who
> has the best bang for buck, at the moment.
>
> Gaming: OpenGL: The Intel chips are much faster

Wrong!

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...

>
> Gaming: DX8: The AMD chips are faster, no doubt about it
> Gaming: DX9: It's virtually a tie, as the AMD chips are two to three

> TENTHS of a percentage point faster.
> So on the gaming benchmarks, that's one win for Intel, one win for AMD
and
> one tie.

Wrong. Two wins for AMD and one tie.

>
> GAMING OVERALL: TIED

Not quite.

>
>
> Business Applications: Office Applications: Intel blows AMD away

What have you been smoking? Even An Athlon XP3000+ beats a
Pentium 4 3.2 ghz running business applications.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...

>
> Business Applications: Internet Content Creation: Intel blows AMD
away

Not quite. In Content Creation Winstone 2004, an Athlon 64 3000+
beats a Pentium 4 3.2 ghz.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...

>
> Business Applications: Overall: Intel blows AMD away
>
> Video Encoding: This one is so lopsided, AMD should have thrown in
the
> towel before entering the ring. Intel wins by a landslide.

Intel has the lead here with 32 bit software, however with the Athlon 64

one can switch to 64 bit software. Here is an article comparing an
Opteron
to a 64 bit Xeon(expensive!) when runnning 64 bit software.

http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2163&p=1



>
>
> Audio Encoding: Again, Intel wins by a landslide

Care to provide some benchmarks?

>
>
> Synthetic Benchmarks: (PC Mark 2004): Here, Intel blows AMD away on
both
> *CPU* and memory benchmarks

Who buys a computer to run synthetic benchmarks.

>
>
> Actually, I'm glad you called me out on this issue. I was previously
under
> the impression that AMD and Intel were pretty well matched. But on
> reviewing the benchmarks again, I'd have to conclude that AMD is only
a good
> idea if you plan to do nothing but DX8 gaming with your computer.

LOL! Most PCs are used to run business software. A Pentium 4 3.2 ghz
can't even keep up with an Athlon XP3000+ in Business Winstone 2004.
The Athlon XP is less than half the price of the P4.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...

>
> Otherwise, you are wasting your money buying an AMD chip.
>
> Again, even at the same price for CPU, an Intel system can be cheaper
to
> build, as the P4 boards are more mature at this point, and thus there
are
> better bargains to be found.

> Considering that an Intel system will likely
> be cheaper to build

Not quite.

> and WILL perform better

Perhaps for video editing and a few other obscure applications,
but not for what most people are running most of the time.

> on all benchmarks except DX8,
> it's kind of a no-brainer as to which chip to build with, at the
moment.
>
> Intel is better than AMD, at the moment.

LOL!

> The only way AMD could change that
> would be to drop their prices by 30% or better

LOL!. If Intel drops the P4 3.2 ghz to below the price of an Athlon
XP3000+
(around $95) , then it would be competitive for running
business software.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=206...

If Intel drops the Pentium 4 3.4 ghz EE to below $255,
then it would be competitive with the Athlon 64 3400+ for those who
like playing Doom 3.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=214...

> . -Dave 9/20/04
>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040322/index.html
>
> Yeah, I know you are going to blast Tom's Hardware. It's funny that
their
> benchmarks agree with tests run by all the other hardware guide web
sites,
> though . . . including anandtech.
September 21, 2004 5:54:50 PM

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JAD wrote:

> amd'rs this whole setup is ridiculous................

Of course it is. 32 bit processors should be low priced budget processors.



>
>
> I would rather have a p4 2.8

Why would you want that?

> with a 22" LCD/CRT 2 gigs ram 200+gig
> storage with an all -in- wonder card of some kind (because that's what
> would benefit me), than that planned system for that money.
>
> First off---- WHAT THE HECK are you gong to use it for?

Since he is choosing such an expensive video card, it is probably
safe to assume that he is a gamer.

> No one here
> could possibly give you any GOOD advice unless you tell us that. Your
> planned system could have some use in certain scenarios...like
> bragging allot, as you chat on AOL, but then you could do that on a
> PII 333, and just say you have whatever you want and save yourself
> 1900 dollars.
>
> "Byte_da_chip" <bert@techie.com> wrote in message
> news:139c120.0409190331.28b819d2@posting.google.com...
> > I'm gonna finally build my first box and would appreciate any and
> all
> > advice on hardware. I'd like to keep it around $2000. As you can
> see,
> > I'm already a little over per Newegg. Here are my tentative plans:
> >
> >
> > Intel Pentium 4/ 3.4C GHz 800MHz FSB-------------$329.00
> >
> > ABIT IC7-G MAXII ADVANCE i875P Chipset-----------$135.00
> >
> > CORSAIR 184-Pin 512MB ECC REG DDR PC-3200, Model
> > CM72SD512RLP-3200----------------------------"X2"$250.00
> >
> > HIS Excalibur RADEON X800 PRO IceQ II Video Card-$468.00
> >
> > Maxtor Ultra Series Kit 160GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model
> > L01M160------------------------------------------$135.99
> >
> > ASUS Black 16X16 Dual ±R/RW & 4X Double Layer Drive, Model
> > DRW-1604P---------------------------------------- $92.00
> >
> > ASUS Black 52X32X52 IDE Internal CD-RW Drive Model
> > CRW-5232AS--------------------------------------- $31.00
> >
> > Thermaltake Black Xaser V Damier Full-Tower Case 420W Power
> > Supply-------------------------------------------$156.50
> >
> > I/O Magic 1.44MB 3.5 Inch Internal Floppy Drive-- $21.00
> >
> > SONY SDM-S73/B 17" LCD
> > Monitor------------------------------------------$409.00
> >
> > IN WIN USB Digital Card Reader/Writer(Black) INTERNAL, Model CR
> > I530B-------------------------------------------- $19.75
> >
> > Logitech Z-5300 5.1 THX Certified Speaker System-$139.00
> >
> > Microsoft Standard Wireless Optical Desktop Keyboard and
> > Mouse-------------------------------------------- $53.00
> >
> > _______
> >
> > $2238.74
> >
> > Any advice on better hardware in the same price range, compatability
> > issues, or anything that you can think of would be GREATLY
> > appreciated!
!