SATA with SCSI drives. How to ?

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Asus A7N8X Deluxe,
Adaptec AHA2940 UW SCSI adapter with three SCSI disks and other stuff
Two PATA Maxtor 40 GB IDE hard disks
One SATA Maxtor 120 GB hard disk.

I'd like to boot on the SATA. I made a bootable primary active partition,
formatted it and installed the stystem on it.
Configurating the setup to boot on the SCSI first leads to a "Disk boot
failure".
On the SCSI disks, all primary partitions are hidden.

Then I disabled the SCSI BIOS on the AHA2940 and everything went correct for
the SATA except that the SCSI devices aren't visible.

I can't both boot on the SATA and see the SCSI devices.
The only way I managed to see the SATA was to boot either on the PATA or on
one of the SCSI disks.

Any clue ?
Thanks
 

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Uh..... ok, I'll bite.
Never owned a SATA or an IDE tho....
So what you're ultimately wanting to do is what?
Boot the SATA and see the SCSIs?

Trying to recall the 2940UW BIOS options but keep mixing it up with the 29160...
Disable the SCSI bios loading as it only needs to load if you're booting something
from that bus. Enable the Include in BIOS scan for the individual SCSI drives.
Enable the INT13 extensions for the drives/2940.
The Winders install on the SATA; did you install the 2940 drivers and ASPI stuff?

I can probably be a bit more helpful after I reboot and check the 2940 bios.
Mine only runs 2 CD burners so I rarely have to change configs in there.
The 29160 runs 8 drives and the options are a little fresher in my mind.

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:16:47 +0100, "Aldo Larrabiata" <duschmoll@racer.com> wrote:

>Asus A7N8X Deluxe,
>Adaptec AHA2940 UW SCSI adapter with three SCSI disks and other stuff
>Two PATA Maxtor 40 GB IDE hard disks
>One SATA Maxtor 120 GB hard disk.
>
>I'd like to boot on the SATA. I made a bootable primary active partition,
>formatted it and installed the stystem on it.
>Configurating the setup to boot on the SCSI first leads to a "Disk boot
>failure".
>On the SCSI disks, all primary partitions are hidden.
>
>Then I disabled the SCSI BIOS on the AHA2940 and everything went correct for
>the SATA except that the SCSI devices aren't visible.
>
>I can't both boot on the SATA and see the SCSI devices.
>The only way I managed to see the SATA was to boot either on the PATA or on
>one of the SCSI disks.
>
>Any clue ?
>Thanks
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I didn't install anything for SCSI use. I've probably got a CD with the
2940UW adapter but don't remember where it could be.
Since the SCSI drives aren't visible, I guess I should install something.
Probably what you're saying.
Well I gonna go googling a bit.
See you


"Overlord" <kurt_SPAMLESS@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message news:
41bcabcc.15683625@news.central.cox.net...
> Uh..... ok, I'll bite.
> Never owned a SATA or an IDE tho....
> So what you're ultimately wanting to do is what?
> Boot the SATA and see the SCSIs?
>
> Trying to recall the 2940UW BIOS options but keep mixing it up with the
29160...
> Disable the SCSI bios loading as it only needs to load if you're booting
something
> from that bus. Enable the Include in BIOS scan for the individual SCSI
drives.
> Enable the INT13 extensions for the drives/2940.
> The Winders install on the SATA; did you install the 2940 drivers and ASPI
stuff?
>
> I can probably be a bit more helpful after I reboot and check the 2940
bios.
> Mine only runs 2 CD burners so I rarely have to change configs in there.
> The 29160 runs 8 drives and the options are a little fresher in my mind.
>
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:16:47 +0100, "Aldo Larrabiata"
<duschmoll@racer.com> wrote:
>
> >Asus A7N8X Deluxe,
> >Adaptec AHA2940 UW SCSI adapter with three SCSI disks and other stuff
> >Two PATA Maxtor 40 GB IDE hard disks
> >One SATA Maxtor 120 GB hard disk.
> >
> >I'd like to boot on the SATA. I made a bootable primary active partition,
> >formatted it and installed the stystem on it.
> >Configurating the setup to boot on the SCSI first leads to a "Disk boot
> >failure".
> >On the SCSI disks, all primary partitions are hidden.
> >
> >Then I disabled the SCSI BIOS on the AHA2940 and everything went correct
for
> >the SATA except that the SCSI devices aren't visible.
> >
> >I can't both boot on the SATA and see the SCSI devices.
> >The only way I managed to see the SATA was to boot either on the PATA or
on
> >one of the SCSI disks.
> >
> >Any clue ?
> >Thanks
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Actually Windows on your SATA should have installed it's own default
drivers but if the scsi drives weren't included in the bios scan or INT13
options in the 2940 BIOS the hardware itself probably won't show up to
the motherboard BIOS when the system boots up so Windows never saw
the drives thus won't install anything. The 2940 bios options are the important
thing. After that, you can install the Adaptec software to let Windows handle
things if you like. First you have to let the 2940 bios let the drives be seen.

Then;

http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/drivers_by_product.jsp?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=/Product/AHA-2940UW

and

http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/suppdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=English+US&prodkey=ASPI-4.70


On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:00:08 +0100, "Aldo Larrabiata" <duschmoll@racer.com> wrote:

>I didn't install anything for SCSI use. I've probably got a CD with the
>2940UW adapter but don't remember where it could be.
>Since the SCSI drives aren't visible, I guess I should install something.
>Probably what you're saying.
>Well I gonna go googling a bit.
>See you
>
>
>"Overlord" <kurt_SPAMLESS@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message news:
>41bcabcc.15683625@news.central.cox.net...
>> Uh..... ok, I'll bite.
>> Never owned a SATA or an IDE tho....
>> So what you're ultimately wanting to do is what?
>> Boot the SATA and see the SCSIs?
>>
>> Trying to recall the 2940UW BIOS options but keep mixing it up with the
>29160...
>> Disable the SCSI bios loading as it only needs to load if you're booting
>something
>> from that bus. Enable the Include in BIOS scan for the individual SCSI
>drives.
>> Enable the INT13 extensions for the drives/2940.
>> The Winders install on the SATA; did you install the 2940 drivers and ASPI
>stuff?
>>
>> I can probably be a bit more helpful after I reboot and check the 2940
>bios.
>> Mine only runs 2 CD burners so I rarely have to change configs in there.
>> The 29160 runs 8 drives and the options are a little fresher in my mind.
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:16:47 +0100, "Aldo Larrabiata"
><duschmoll@racer.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Asus A7N8X Deluxe,
>> >Adaptec AHA2940 UW SCSI adapter with three SCSI disks and other stuff
>> >Two PATA Maxtor 40 GB IDE hard disks
>> >One SATA Maxtor 120 GB hard disk.
>> >
>> >I'd like to boot on the SATA. I made a bootable primary active partition,
>> >formatted it and installed the stystem on it.
>> >Configurating the setup to boot on the SCSI first leads to a "Disk boot
>> >failure".
>> >On the SCSI disks, all primary partitions are hidden.
>> >
>> >Then I disabled the SCSI BIOS on the AHA2940 and everything went correct
>for
>> >the SATA except that the SCSI devices aren't visible.
>> >
>> >I can't both boot on the SATA and see the SCSI devices.
>> >The only way I managed to see the SATA was to boot either on the PATA or
>on
>> >one of the SCSI disks.
>> >
>> >Any clue ?
>> >Thanks
>> ~~~~~~
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Windows 98SE isn't yet installed on the SATA, for the moment, I'm just
trying to see all the disks under DOS, with the letters at the right place.

I just went from the Adaptec site. I'm a bit lost between the variety of
drivers and ASPI Layers. Just downloaded drivers for Win98 & Win 2000 (next
step = dual boot). With the urls you gave I got the last ASPI layer 4.71.2.

Current status:
I disabled the SCSI BIOS via the option within the SCSI setup. That's the
only way for me the SATA can be seen.
Now I've to make the SCSI disks visible. I understand that INT13 needs to be
handled by software since the BIOS option is disabled.
So, what's next step ? To install first the drivers for DOS & Win98SE
(7800_fms303_disk1.exe) and update them (fms_on_cd_v40a_sp3a.exe) or does
the ASPI layer need to be installed prior to anything else (and which one
4.60 as mentioned in the AHA2940UW page or the version 4.71.2 located in
another page) ?


TIA


"Overlord" <kurt_SPAMLESS@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message news:
41bcb349.17599890@news.central.cox.net...
> Actually Windows on your SATA should have installed it's own default
> drivers but if the scsi drives weren't included in the bios scan or INT13
> options in the 2940 BIOS the hardware itself probably won't show up to
> the motherboard BIOS when the system boots up so Windows never saw
> the drives thus won't install anything. The 2940 bios options are the
important
> thing. After that, you can install the Adaptec software to let Windows
handle
> things if you like. First you have to let the 2940 bios let the drives be
seen.
>
> Then;
>
>
http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/drivers_by_product.jsp?sess=no&lang
uage=English+US&cat=/Product/AHA-2940UW
>
> and
>
>
http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/suppdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=Eng
lish+US&prodkey=ASPI-4.70
>
>
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:00:08 +0100, "Aldo Larrabiata"
<duschmoll@racer.com> wrote:
>
> >I didn't install anything for SCSI use. I've probably got a CD with the
> >2940UW adapter but don't remember where it could be.
> >Since the SCSI drives aren't visible, I guess I should install something.
> >Probably what you're saying.
> >Well I gonna go googling a bit.
> >See you
> >
> >
> >"Overlord" <kurt_SPAMLESS@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message news:
> >41bcabcc.15683625@news.central.cox.net...
> >> Uh..... ok, I'll bite.
> >> Never owned a SATA or an IDE tho....
> >> So what you're ultimately wanting to do is what?
> >> Boot the SATA and see the SCSIs?
> >>
> >> Trying to recall the 2940UW BIOS options but keep mixing it up with the
> >29160...
> >> Disable the SCSI bios loading as it only needs to load if you're
booting
> >something
> >> from that bus. Enable the Include in BIOS scan for the individual SCSI
> >drives.
> >> Enable the INT13 extensions for the drives/2940.
> >> The Winders install on the SATA; did you install the 2940 drivers and
ASPI
> >stuff?
> >>
> >> I can probably be a bit more helpful after I reboot and check the 2940
> >bios.
> >> Mine only runs 2 CD burners so I rarely have to change configs in
there.
> >> The 29160 runs 8 drives and the options are a little fresher in my
mind.
> >>
> >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:16:47 +0100, "Aldo Larrabiata"
> ><duschmoll@racer.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Asus A7N8X Deluxe,
> >> >Adaptec AHA2940 UW SCSI adapter with three SCSI disks and other stuff
> >> >Two PATA Maxtor 40 GB IDE hard disks
> >> >One SATA Maxtor 120 GB hard disk.
> >> >
> >> >I'd like to boot on the SATA. I made a bootable primary active
partition,
> >> >formatted it and installed the stystem on it.
> >> >Configurating the setup to boot on the SCSI first leads to a "Disk
boot
> >> >failure".
> >> >On the SCSI disks, all primary partitions are hidden.
> >> >
> >> >Then I disabled the SCSI BIOS on the AHA2940 and everything went
correct
> >for
> >> >the SATA except that the SCSI devices aren't visible.
> >> >
> >> >I can't both boot on the SATA and see the SCSI devices.
> >> >The only way I managed to see the SATA was to boot either on the PATA
or
> >on
> >> >one of the SCSI disks.
> >> >
> >> >Any clue ?
> >> >Thanks
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"Aldo Larrabiata" <duschmoll@racer.com> kirjoitti viestissä
news:41bcc874$0$3404$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
> Windows 98SE isn't yet installed on the SATA, for the moment, I'm just
> trying to see all the disks under DOS, with the letters at the right
place.
>
> I just went from the Adaptec site. I'm a bit lost between the variety of
> drivers and ASPI Layers. Just downloaded drivers for Win98 & Win 2000
(next
> step = dual boot). With the urls you gave I got the last ASPI layer
4.71.2.
>
> Current status:
> I disabled the SCSI BIOS via the option within the SCSI setup. That's the
> only way for me the SATA can be seen.
> Now I've to make the SCSI disks visible. I understand that INT13 needs to
be
> handled by software since the BIOS option is disabled.
> So, what's next step ? To install first the drivers for DOS & Win98SE
> (7800_fms303_disk1.exe) and update them (fms_on_cd_v40a_sp3a.exe) or does
> the ASPI layer need to be installed prior to anything else (and which one
> 4.60 as mentioned in the AHA2940UW page or the version 4.71.2 located in
> another page) ?
>
>
> TIA
>
>
> "Overlord" <kurt_SPAMLESS@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message news:
> 41bcb349.17599890@news.central.cox.net...
> > Actually Windows on your SATA should have installed it's own default
> > drivers but if the scsi drives weren't included in the bios scan or
INT13
> > options in the 2940 BIOS the hardware itself probably won't show up to
> > the motherboard BIOS when the system boots up so Windows never saw
> > the drives thus won't install anything. The 2940 bios options are the
> important
> > thing. After that, you can install the Adaptec software to let Windows
> handle
> > things if you like. First you have to let the 2940 bios let the drives
be
> seen.
> >
> > Then;
> >
> >
>
http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/drivers_by_product.jsp?sess=no&lang
> uage=English+US&cat=/Product/AHA-2940UW
> >
> > and
> >
> >
>
http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/suppdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=Eng
> lish+US&prodkey=ASPI-4.70
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:00:08 +0100, "Aldo Larrabiata"
> <duschmoll@racer.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I didn't install anything for SCSI use. I've probably got a CD with the
> > >2940UW adapter but don't remember where it could be.
> > >Since the SCSI drives aren't visible, I guess I should install
something.
> > >Probably what you're saying.
> > >Well I gonna go googling a bit.
> > >See you
> > >
> > >
> > >"Overlord" <kurt_SPAMLESS@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message news:
> > >41bcabcc.15683625@news.central.cox.net...
> > >> Uh..... ok, I'll bite.
> > >> Never owned a SATA or an IDE tho....
> > >> So what you're ultimately wanting to do is what?
> > >> Boot the SATA and see the SCSIs?
> > >>
> > >> Trying to recall the 2940UW BIOS options but keep mixing it up with
the
> > >29160...
> > >> Disable the SCSI bios loading as it only needs to load if you're
> booting
> > >something
> > >> from that bus. Enable the Include in BIOS scan for the individual
SCSI
> > >drives.
> > >> Enable the INT13 extensions for the drives/2940.
> > >> The Winders install on the SATA; did you install the 2940 drivers and
> ASPI
> > >stuff?
> > >>
> > >> I can probably be a bit more helpful after I reboot and check the
2940
> > >bios.
> > >> Mine only runs 2 CD burners so I rarely have to change configs in
> there.
> > >> The 29160 runs 8 drives and the options are a little fresher in my
> mind.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:16:47 +0100, "Aldo Larrabiata"
> > ><duschmoll@racer.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Asus A7N8X Deluxe,
> > >> >Adaptec AHA2940 UW SCSI adapter with three SCSI disks and other
stuff
> > >> >Two PATA Maxtor 40 GB IDE hard disks
> > >> >One SATA Maxtor 120 GB hard disk.
> > >> >
> > >> >I'd like to boot on the SATA. I made a bootable primary active
> partition,
> > >> >formatted it and installed the stystem on it.
> > >> >Configurating the setup to boot on the SCSI first leads to a "Disk
> boot
> > >> >failure".
> > >> >On the SCSI disks, all primary partitions are hidden.
> > >> >
> > >> >Then I disabled the SCSI BIOS on the AHA2940 and everything went
> correct
> > >for
> > >> >the SATA except that the SCSI devices aren't visible.
> > >> >
> > >> >I can't both boot on the SATA and see the SCSI devices.
> > >> >The only way I managed to see the SATA was to boot either on the
PATA
> or
> > >on
> > >> >one of the SCSI disks.
> > >> >
> > >> >Any clue ?
> > >> >Thanks
> > >> ~~~~~~
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No need. As far as the the SATA RAID menu is displayed during boot, the disk
is recognized.

The problem is located on SCSI side, not SATA.


"Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_NOSPAM@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message news:
41bd13b7_1@news.dnainternet.net...
> Is there SATA drivers fot DOS???????
>
>
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>
> "Aldo Larrabiata" <duschmoll@racer.com> kirjoitti viestissä
> news:41bcc874$0$3404$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
> > Windows 98SE isn't yet installed on the SATA, for the moment, I'm just
> > trying to see all the disks under DOS, with the letters at the right
> place.
> >
> > I just went from the Adaptec site. I'm a bit lost between the variety of
> > drivers and ASPI Layers. Just downloaded drivers for Win98 & Win 2000
> (next
> > step = dual boot). With the urls you gave I got the last ASPI layer
> 4.71.2.
> >
> > Current status:
> > I disabled the SCSI BIOS via the option within the SCSI setup. That's
the
> > only way for me the SATA can be seen.
> > Now I've to make the SCSI disks visible. I understand that INT13 needs
to
> be
> > handled by software since the BIOS option is disabled.
> > So, what's next step ? To install first the drivers for DOS & Win98SE
> > (7800_fms303_disk1.exe) and update them (fms_on_cd_v40a_sp3a.exe) or
does
> > the ASPI layer need to be installed prior to anything else (and which
one
> > 4.60 as mentioned in the AHA2940UW page or the version 4.71.2 located in
> > another page) ?
> >
> >
> > TIA
> >
> >
> > "Overlord" <kurt_SPAMLESS@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message news:
> > 41bcb349.17599890@news.central.cox.net...
> > > Actually Windows on your SATA should have installed it's own default
> > > drivers but if the scsi drives weren't included in the bios scan or
> INT13
> > > options in the 2940 BIOS the hardware itself probably won't show up to
> > > the motherboard BIOS when the system boots up so Windows never saw
> > > the drives thus won't install anything. The 2940 bios options are the
> > important
> > > thing. After that, you can install the Adaptec software to let
Windows
> > handle
> > > things if you like. First you have to let the 2940 bios let the
drives
> be
> > seen.
> > >
> > > Then;
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/drivers_by_product.jsp?sess=no&lang
> > uage=English+US&cat=/Product/AHA-2940UW
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/suppdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=Eng
> > lish+US&prodkey=ASPI-4.70
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:00:08 +0100, "Aldo Larrabiata"
> > <duschmoll@racer.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >I didn't install anything for SCSI use. I've probably got a CD with
the
> > > >2940UW adapter but don't remember where it could be.
> > > >Since the SCSI drives aren't visible, I guess I should install
> something.
> > > >Probably what you're saying.
> > > >Well I gonna go googling a bit.
> > > >See you
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >"Overlord" <kurt_SPAMLESS@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message news:
> > > >41bcabcc.15683625@news.central.cox.net...
> > > >> Uh..... ok, I'll bite.
> > > >> Never owned a SATA or an IDE tho....
> > > >> So what you're ultimately wanting to do is what?
> > > >> Boot the SATA and see the SCSIs?
> > > >>
> > > >> Trying to recall the 2940UW BIOS options but keep mixing it up with
> the
> > > >29160...
> > > >> Disable the SCSI bios loading as it only needs to load if you're
> > booting
> > > >something
> > > >> from that bus. Enable the Include in BIOS scan for the individual
> SCSI
> > > >drives.
> > > >> Enable the INT13 extensions for the drives/2940.
> > > >> The Winders install on the SATA; did you install the 2940 drivers
and
> > ASPI
> > > >stuff?
> > > >>
> > > >> I can probably be a bit more helpful after I reboot and check the
> 2940
> > > >bios.
> > > >> Mine only runs 2 CD burners so I rarely have to change configs in
> > there.
> > > >> The 29160 runs 8 drives and the options are a little fresher in my
> > mind.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:16:47 +0100, "Aldo Larrabiata"
> > > ><duschmoll@racer.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >Asus A7N8X Deluxe,
> > > >> >Adaptec AHA2940 UW SCSI adapter with three SCSI disks and other
> stuff
> > > >> >Two PATA Maxtor 40 GB IDE hard disks
> > > >> >One SATA Maxtor 120 GB hard disk.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I'd like to boot on the SATA. I made a bootable primary active
> > partition,
> > > >> >formatted it and installed the stystem on it.
> > > >> >Configurating the setup to boot on the SCSI first leads to a "Disk
> > boot
> > > >> >failure".
> > > >> >On the SCSI disks, all primary partitions are hidden.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Then I disabled the SCSI BIOS on the AHA2940 and everything went
> > correct
> > > >for
> > > >> >the SATA except that the SCSI devices aren't visible.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I can't both boot on the SATA and see the SCSI devices.
> > > >> >The only way I managed to see the SATA was to boot either on the
> PATA
> > or
> > > >on
> > > >> >one of the SCSI disks.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Any clue ?
> > > >> >Thanks
> > > >> ~~~~~~
> > > ~~~~~~
> > > Bait for spammers:
> > > root@localhost
> > > postmaster@localhost
> > > admin@localhost
> > > abuse@localhost
> > > postmaster@[127.0.0.1]
> > > uce@ftc.gov
> > > ~~~~~~
> > > Remove "spamless" to email me.
> >
> >
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