First attempt to assemble a computer -- advice appreciated

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

I am about to undergo my first attempt to assemple a computer. Any help
or advice anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. I have been
using pricewatch.com to find the parts I want. This is what I have so
far...

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Motherboard: $54.92

M957G Pentium4 LGA775 DDR Motherboard (800FSB) (MB)

http://www.partspc.com/store/product462.html

Can anyone recommend a better motherboard, without integrated video and
audio, for the CPU below? I'd prefer to have at least 6 USB 2.0 ports,
vice the 2 offered here. WIth my Dimension 8250 (with 6 USB 2 ports) I
constantly get errors stating that my device would work better if I
connected to a USB 2.0 port. I think this is because only 2 are actually
USB 2 ports and Dell daisies the other four. I could be wrong, but it's
still a pain, regardless. I know many others have the same problem and
I'm fairly sure it isn't driver related.

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CPU: $268.99

Intel Pentium 4 3.4GHz 800MHz LGA775 1MB CPU - OEM (FAN/HEATSINK NOT
INCLUDED)

http://www.smksuperstore.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=13302

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CPU FAN/HEATSINK: $?

Can anyone recommend a good (and hopefully quiet) CPU fan and heatsink for
the CPU above? I understand the fan/heatsink included in the retail box
is unsatisfactory.

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CASE & POWER SUPPLY: $29.00

LCT Mid ATX 400Watt Case Black

http://www.oneclickpc.com/compatibility.aspx?product_ID=1295

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CASE FANS (FRONT/BACK): $?

Can anyone recommend good front and back case fans suitable for case and
CPU configuration I am describing?

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HARD DRIVE: $126.00

250GB Serial ATA Hitachi 7200 RPM, 8MB . SATA-150

http://www.upgrade-solution.com/detail.cfm?show=yes&PID=855&add=yes

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CD-RW: $27.00

MITSUMI CR-485GTE 54X32X54 CD-RW,W/Nero, BULK, COLD GREY

http://nt-micro.com/ntik/details.asp?item=CDRMITCR485

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MEMORY: $170.00

1GB 128Mx64 PC4200 Dual Channel 184Pin-DDR Ram

http://www.dvcentury.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=88-533-1024&Category_Code=PC4200

Will the 533mhz speed of this mem act as a bottleneck for my CPU with it's
800mhz FSB?

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VIDEO CARD: $280

ATI Radeon 9800 PRO AGP 8X 256MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI Retail
***Free 2nd Day***

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=320765

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AUDIO CARD: $67.00

Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS 7.1 PCI Internal Sound Card

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=SC-0350ZSB&c=pw

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ETHERNET CARD/INTERFACE: $5.78

Intel Pro/100+ PILA6461 82558B 10/100 Network Interface cards, Wake on
Lan, PCI, Ethernet Adapter 100BASET- PULL

http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=3353

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MOUSE: $7.00

Logitech 2 Button Mouse (USB, OEM)

http://www.jpmccom.com/Products_i272852.html?catId=16517

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KEYBOARD: $11.20

CT-Generic Keyboard PS/2 Beige KW-300

http://www.htcnetstore.com/htcnetstore/gekebek.html

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This whole system will cost around 1050 (including shipping), plus a
little extra for the case fans and cpu fan/heatsink that I have not picked
out yet. Thanks much for any help, comments, advice, or ridicule. I'm
happy to learn what you're willing to teach/share.

Season's Greetings...

Joseph
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  1. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Joseph Spain" <icystorm@removethistoreply-hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:Mepzd.24932$up.1129@lakeread08...
    >I am about to undergo my first attempt to assemple a computer. Any help or
    >advice anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. I have been using
    >pricewatch.com to find the parts I want. This is what I have so far...
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > Motherboard: $54.92
    >
    > M957G Pentium4 LGA775 DDR Motherboard (800FSB) (MB)
    >
    > http://www.partspc.com/store/product462.html
    >
    > Can anyone recommend a better motherboard, without integrated video and
    > audio, for the CPU below? I'd prefer to have at least 6 USB 2.0 ports,
    > vice the 2 offered here. WIth my Dimension 8250 (with 6 USB 2 ports) I

    >
    > Intel Pentium 4 3.4GHz 800MHz LGA775 1MB CPU - OEM (FAN/HEATSINK NOT
    > INCLUDED)
    >
    > http://www.smksuperstore.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=13302
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > CPU FAN/HEATSINK: $?
    >
    >
    > CASE & POWER SUPPLY: $29.00
    >
    > CASE FANS (FRONT/BACK): $?
    >
    > 250GB Serial ATA Hitachi 7200 RPM, 8MB . SATA-150
    >
    >
    > MITSUMI CR-485GTE 54X32X54 CD-RW,W/Nero, BULK, COLD GREY

    > MEMORY: $170.00
    >
    > 1GB 128Mx64 PC4200 Dual Channel 184Pin-DDR Ram
    > Will the 533mhz speed of this mem act as a bottleneck for my CPU with it's
    > 800mhz FSB?
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > VIDEO CARD: $280
    >
    > ATI Radeon 9800 PRO AGP 8X 256MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI Retail
    > AUDIO CARD: $67.00
    >
    > Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS 7.1 PCI Internal Sound Card
    > ETHERNET CARD/INTERFACE: $5.78

    > This whole system will cost around 1050 (including shipping),

    Yikes. Good thing you posted here first. Any particular reason to go with
    LGA775? Socket 478 will be easier to build, and LGA775 is not any faster
    NOR is it any more future-proof.

    But regardless of socket, why choose a Micro-ATX motherboard for a full-size
    ATX case? Well, at least you asked about a better motherboard. There are
    TONS of them, it will be hard to choose. (more later)

    CPU fan:
    If you MUST go with LGA775:
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-150-046&depa=0
    If you go with socket 478:
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-151-114&depa=0

    Oh, do NOT use a generic power supply. Try the following instead, even if
    you go with the same case you already chose (just swap the power supply) :
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-153-006&depa=0

    Your chosen case does not say what size fans it needs, so there is no way to
    recommend fans for it. For a nice case that comes with fans installed
    already, try the following:
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-156-018&depa=0

    For a 800FSB processor, you need DDR400 (PC3200) RAM. The 533MHz RAM you
    chose might also work, but it will be under-clocked IF it does work. That
    RAM would be matched with a 1066FSB processor. Also, unless you are going
    to be video editing or doing something else RAM-intensive, 512MB of RAM
    should be enough.

    Your video card is way over-priced. It should be closer to $200. You can
    get a better video card for less:
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-220&depa=0

    As for motherboards, there are tons. First, avoid PC Chips at all costs.
    Some good alternatives:
    LGA775, if you insist:
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-128-253&depa=0
    Note that this has built-in LAN, so no ethernet card is needed

    Socket 478:
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-130-450&depa=0
    Note that this also has built-in LAN, so no ethernet card is needed

    -Dave
  2. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Joseph Spain:

    > I am about to undergo my first attempt to assemple a computer. Any
    > help or advice anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. I have
    > been using pricewatch.com to find the parts I want.

    Take this advice... don't buy from the the vendors on pricewatch without
    checking their feedback on resellerratings.com.

    Here is a better option for you:
    http://arstechnica.dealtime.com/xCH-computers~linkin_id-3054886
    If you buy from the trusted dealers then you will never know how much
    aggravation you missed.

    I also recommend you spend a few minutes studying some of the following
    sites and consider the components they recommend. Again, this should save
    you some aggravation.
    http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/system-guide-200411.ars
    http://www.extremetech.com/category2/0,1556,838239,00.asp
    http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/MVGSBG/article.php/3435541


    > Can anyone recommend a better motherboard, without integrated video
    > and audio, for the CPU below?

    Don't limit yourself to boards w/o audio and video, you may exclude some
    very good options. Remember that you do not have to use the onboard
    options.

    > CPU: $268.99
    > Intel Pentium 4 3.4GHz 800MHz LGA775 1MB CPU - OEM (FAN/HEATSINK NOT
    > INCLUDED)
    > http://www.smksuperstore.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=13302

    Using the dealtime search I found a retail processor (with retail
    warranty), from a reputable dealer, for only $9 more and free 2 day
    shipping.

    > CASE & POWER SUPPLY: $29.00

    Spend twice that and buy a quality case and power supply, again it will
    save many headaches.
    --
    Mac Cool
  3. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Joseph Spain" <icystorm@removethistoreply-hotmail.com> wrote:

    >I am about to undergo my first attempt to assemple a computer. Any
    >help or advice anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. I
    >have been using pricewatch.com to find the parts I want.

    I am just going to recommend online stores, I don't have time at the
    moment to answer the hard questions.

    You list ZipZoomFly as a possible vendor, so I will assume you are
    in the United States. Instead of going with the cheapest, this is my
    recommendation for stores you should shop at, roughly in order of
    preference. This is not rule of law, others have other opinions.

    ZipZoomFly.com (my current favorite)
    Newegg.com (apparently well-liked by many others)
    Buy.com (hit and miss)

    Good luck.

    <snip>
  4. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    like everything but the case get a better case and power supply.

    "Joseph Spain" <icystorm@removethistoreply-hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:Mepzd.24932$up.1129@lakeread08...
    >I am about to undergo my first attempt to assemple a computer. Any help or
    >advice anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. I have been using
    >pricewatch.com to find the parts I want. This is what I have so far...
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > Motherboard: $54.92
    >
    > M957G Pentium4 LGA775 DDR Motherboard (800FSB) (MB)
    >
    > http://www.partspc.com/store/product462.html
    >
    > Can anyone recommend a better motherboard, without integrated video and
    > audio, for the CPU below? I'd prefer to have at least 6 USB 2.0 ports,
    > vice the 2 offered here. WIth my Dimension 8250 (with 6 USB 2 ports) I
    > constantly get errors stating that my device would work better if I
    > connected to a USB 2.0 port. I think this is because only 2 are actually
    > USB 2 ports and Dell daisies the other four. I could be wrong, but it's
    > still a pain, regardless. I know many others have the same problem and
    > I'm fairly sure it isn't driver related.
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > CPU: $268.99
    >
    > Intel Pentium 4 3.4GHz 800MHz LGA775 1MB CPU - OEM (FAN/HEATSINK NOT
    > INCLUDED)
    >
    > http://www.smksuperstore.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=13302
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > CPU FAN/HEATSINK: $?
    >
    > Can anyone recommend a good (and hopefully quiet) CPU fan and heatsink for
    > the CPU above? I understand the fan/heatsink included in the retail box
    > is unsatisfactory.
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > CASE & POWER SUPPLY: $29.00
    >
    > LCT Mid ATX 400Watt Case Black
    >
    > http://www.oneclickpc.com/compatibility.aspx?product_ID=1295
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > CASE FANS (FRONT/BACK): $?
    >
    > Can anyone recommend good front and back case fans suitable for case and
    > CPU configuration I am describing?
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > HARD DRIVE: $126.00
    >
    > 250GB Serial ATA Hitachi 7200 RPM, 8MB . SATA-150
    >
    > http://www.upgrade-solution.com/detail.cfm?show=yes&PID=855&add=yes
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > CD-RW: $27.00
    >
    > MITSUMI CR-485GTE 54X32X54 CD-RW,W/Nero, BULK, COLD GREY
    >
    > http://nt-micro.com/ntik/details.asp?item=CDRMITCR485
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > MEMORY: $170.00
    >
    > 1GB 128Mx64 PC4200 Dual Channel 184Pin-DDR Ram
    >
    > http://www.dvcentury.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=88-533-1024&Category_Code=PC4200
    >
    > Will the 533mhz speed of this mem act as a bottleneck for my CPU with it's
    > 800mhz FSB?
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > VIDEO CARD: $280
    >
    > ATI Radeon 9800 PRO AGP 8X 256MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI Retail
    > ***Free 2nd Day***
    >
    > http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=320765
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > AUDIO CARD: $67.00
    >
    > Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS 7.1 PCI Internal Sound Card
    >
    > http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=SC-0350ZSB&c=pw
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > ETHERNET CARD/INTERFACE: $5.78
    >
    > Intel Pro/100+ PILA6461 82558B 10/100 Network Interface cards, Wake on
    > Lan, PCI, Ethernet Adapter 100BASET- PULL
    >
    > http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=3353
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > MOUSE: $7.00
    >
    > Logitech 2 Button Mouse (USB, OEM)
    >
    > http://www.jpmccom.com/Products_i272852.html?catId=16517
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > KEYBOARD: $11.20
    >
    > CT-Generic Keyboard PS/2 Beige KW-300
    >
    > http://www.htcnetstore.com/htcnetstore/gekebek.html
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > This whole system will cost around 1050 (including shipping), plus a
    > little extra for the case fans and cpu fan/heatsink that I have not picked
    > out yet. Thanks much for any help, comments, advice, or ridicule. I'm
    > happy to learn what you're willing to teach/share.
    >
    > Season's Greetings...
    >
    > Joseph
    >
    >
  5. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote in message
    news:336oumF3sceshU1@individual.net...
    >
    > "Joseph Spain" <icystorm@removethistoreply-hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:Mepzd.24932$up.1129@lakeread08...
    > >I am about to undergo my first attempt to assemple a computer. Any help
    or
    > >advice anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. I have been using
    > >pricewatch.com to find the parts I want. This is what I have so far...
    > >
    > > --------------
    > >
    > > Motherboard: $54.92
    > >
    > > M957G Pentium4 LGA775 DDR Motherboard (800FSB) (MB)
    > >
    > > http://www.partspc.com/store/product462.html
    > >
    > > Can anyone recommend a better motherboard, without integrated video and
    > > audio, for the CPU below? I'd prefer to have at least 6 USB 2.0 ports,
    > > vice the 2 offered here. WIth my Dimension 8250 (with 6 USB 2 ports) I
    >
    > >
    > > Intel Pentium 4 3.4GHz 800MHz LGA775 1MB CPU - OEM (FAN/HEATSINK NOT
    > > INCLUDED)
    > >
    > > http://www.smksuperstore.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=13302
    > >
    > > --------------
    > >
    > > CPU FAN/HEATSINK: $?
    > >
    > >
    > > CASE & POWER SUPPLY: $29.00
    > >
    > > CASE FANS (FRONT/BACK): $?
    > >
    > > 250GB Serial ATA Hitachi 7200 RPM, 8MB . SATA-150
    > >
    > >
    > > MITSUMI CR-485GTE 54X32X54 CD-RW,W/Nero, BULK, COLD GREY
    >
    > > MEMORY: $170.00
    > >
    > > 1GB 128Mx64 PC4200 Dual Channel 184Pin-DDR Ram
    > > Will the 533mhz speed of this mem act as a bottleneck for my CPU with
    it's
    > > 800mhz FSB?
    > >
    > > --------------
    > >
    > > VIDEO CARD: $280
    > >
    > > ATI Radeon 9800 PRO AGP 8X 256MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI Retail
    > > AUDIO CARD: $67.00
    > >
    > > Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS 7.1 PCI Internal Sound Card
    > > ETHERNET CARD/INTERFACE: $5.78

    > Oh, do NOT use a generic power supply. Try the following instead, even if
    > you go with the same case you already chose (just swap the power supply) :
    >
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-153-006&depa=0

    I also recommend this power supply. I bought it based on Dave C.'s
    recommendation, and it has been great. The only problem is that the wires
    are incredibly long, as in longer than needed for even a tower server case.
    You can also plug the PSU fans into one of the chassis fan sockets on the
    motherboard, so that the fan speed can be changed. Get it now, while the
    price is low because I've noticed that it fluctuates a lot.


    MC
  6. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:

    > Yikes. Good thing you posted here first.

    I want to thank you for responding. Good responses like yours, and the
    others I received here, are an important part of the learning process for
    me.

    > Any particular reason to go with LGA775?

    Not really. I thought it was the best based 3.40 ghz Intel processor
    based on an article I recently read, but I have also read opposing views.
    I did more research based on your recommendation and learned that what you
    posted made a lot of sense. In fact, I made a lot of changes to my
    configuration based on your recommendations, as well as the recomendations
    of a couple of others here. I read quite a bit about the changes the
    folks in this newsgroup recommended.

    > Oh, do NOT use a generic power supply.

    Roger. Others share a similar sentiment.

    > For a 800FSB processor, you need DDR400 (PC3200) RAM. The 533MHz RAM
    > you chose might also work, but it will be under-clocked IF it does work.
    > That RAM would be matched with a 1066FSB processor. Also, unless you
    > are going to be video editing or doing something else RAM-intensive,
    > 512MB of RAM should be enough.

    Good call. I checked this out and made the change.

    > Your video card is way over-priced. It should be closer to $200. You
    > can get a better video card for less:
    > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-220&depa=0

    I've been a firm believer in ATI and their products. In short, they
    really support their $hit. To me, that's the most important aspect.
    However, I researched nVidia based on the card you recommended. I learned
    that they also have very good customer loyalty and support. I do have a
    question though. How will the 128mb graphics card be superior to the
    256mb graphics card? I realize it isn't fully memory related, but what am
    I missing? BTW, I'm not a big gamer. My primary usage of the graphics
    card will be porting from s-video to RCA so I can watch movies and tv
    shows on my big bedroom tv -- (avis, mpegs, and DVD). The results are
    perfect using my current Radeon 9700 w/ TV out. It has 256 mb of mem.
    I've never had a problem with this card. I does exactly what I want it
    to.

    I am also very interested in the "quietness" of my modified configuation
    (below). Does anyone have any comments on this aspect? Silence is
    golden.

    As a side note, I am quite disappointed in my two Iomega external hdds
    because of how loud they are. One is a 120 GB hdd, and the newer one is a
    250 GB hdd. The newer one is exceptionally loud and annoying. Also, the
    fan went out on the 120 GB and it was out of warranty. When I tried to
    get a new one from Iomega, they basically told me to G.F. myself. For
    clarity, I wasn't upset because they wouldn't replace the drive or fan on
    a product that's out of warranty. I wasn't even upset because the fan
    busted after only 1 year of use. I was upset because they don't publish
    replacement part numbers, nor would they even discuss obtaining a
    replacement part or part number with me. In other words, they hoped I'd
    buy a new one. I will never buy another Iomega product (or Dell
    product -- a whole other story) again. Neither supports their stuff IMO
    and experience. I think next time I will buy an internal Maxtor or
    Western Digital and purchase a portable housing unit for it. Those are
    lower in price and also quieter. Any comments?

    Here is my modified (currently planned) configuration (price ~$1075.00 w/
    shipping)...

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    mwave.com (2 products)

    * CPU: $296.00

    Intel Pentium 4 3.40E GHz 800MHz 478PIN 1MB Retail

    http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?SCriteria=BA20909

    * MEMORY: $97.00

    KINGSTON KHX3200A/512 512MB PC3200 400MHZ CL2 DDR DIMM W/HEAT SPREADER

    http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?SCriteria=BA19781

    COMBINED PRICE INCL. SHIPPING: $404.47

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    newegg.com (7 products)

    * Motherboard: $79.00

    MSI "865PE Neo2-PFS (Platinum Edition)" i865PE Chipset Motherboard for
    Intel Socket 478 CPU -RETAIL

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-130-450&depa=0

    Note: I wonder if I will need to purchase an LAN cable to run from the
    NIC port to the case front? I'm not clear on this.

    * CPU FAN/HEATSINK: $16.49

    Spire CopperStream II CPU Cooler For Socket 478 CPU, Model
    "SP420B8-2" -RETAIL

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-151-114&depa=0

    * CASE (WITH FANS): $28.50

    RAIDMAX Black 10-bay Case, Model "268WBP" -RETAIL

    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?DEPA=0&description=11-156-018&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=Cases

    Note: I really liked this case you recommended. Much better airflow.

    * POWER SUPPLY: $36.99

    Thermaltake Silent PurePower, 420W ATX power supply.UL, CSA, TUV, CE
    Approved. Intel Pentium 4 Compliant

    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?DEPA=0&description=17-153-006&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=Power+Supply+for+Cas

    * HARD DRIVE: $135.00

    Hitachi 250GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model HDS722525VLSA80 Part#
    13G0255, OEM Drive Only

    http://www.upgrade-solution.com/detail.cfm?show=yes&PID=855&add=yes

    Note: I can't figure out if this comes with cables or not.

    * CD-RW: $27.50

    MITSUMI 54X32X54 Internal IDE CD-RW Drive, Model CR-485FTE, OEM

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-150-005&depa=1

    Note: I can't figure out if this comes with cables or not

    * VIDEO CARD: $229.00

    EVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT Video Card, 128MB GDDR3, 128-Bit, DVI/TV-Out,
    AGP 8X, Model "128-A8-N350" -RETAIL

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-220&depa=0

    COMBINED PRICE INCL. SHIPPING: $590.14

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    ewiz.com (1 product)

    * AUDIO CARD: $67.00

    Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS 7.1 PCI Internal Sound Card

    http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=SC-0350ZSB&c=pw

    COMBINED PRICE INCL. SHIPPING: $67.00

    Note: I'm concerned this *could* be a refurbished unit. It isn't
    advertsied as such, but it is substantially lower at ewiz than any other
    site I researched.

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    JPMC INC (2 products)

    * MOUSE: $3.00

    Logitech 2 Button Mouse (USB, OEM)

    http://www.jpmccom.com/Products_i272852.html?catId=13773

    * KEYBOARD: $4.50

    Generic Keyboard (Black/PS2)

    http://www.jpmccom.com/Products_i869375.html?catId=13772

    COMBINED PRICE NOT INCL. SHIPPING: $7.50

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    Thanks again.

    Joseph
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    "Mac Cool" <Mac@2cool.com> wrote:

    > Take this advice... don't buy from the the vendors on pricewatch without
    > checking their feedback on resellerratings.com.

    Thanks, Mac. Excellent advice.

    > Here is a better option for you:
    > http://arstechnica.dealtime.com/xCH-computers~linkin_id-3054886
    > If you buy from the trusted dealers then you will never know how much
    > aggravation you missed.

    Thanks for this site. It's excellent.

    > I also recommend you spend a few minutes studying some of the following
    > sites and consider the components they recommend. Again, this should
    > save
    > you some aggravation.
    > http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/system-guide-200411.ars
    > http://www.extremetech.com/category2/0,1556,838239,00.asp
    > http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/MVGSBG/article.php/3435541

    Thanks. I will.

    > Spend twice that and buy a quality case and power supply, again it will
    > save many headaches.

    Excellent advice. I made changes to my planned config -- still tentative
    for now. (See my post to Dave C.)

    Joseph
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    "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote:

    > You list ZipZoomFly as a possible vendor, so I will assume you are
    > in the United States. Instead of going with the cheapest, this is my
    > recommendation for stores you should shop at, roughly in order of
    > preference. This is not rule of law, others have other opinions.
    >
    > ZipZoomFly.com (my current favorite)
    > Newegg.com (apparently well-liked by many others)
    > Buy.com (hit and miss)
    >
    > Good luck.

    Thanks for posting. I made some changes to my planned configuration. I
    tried to consolidate some of the products in order to go with few vendors.
    The difference in shipping costs ended up offsetting some slightly less
    expensive individual products available elsewhere, but I will revisit all
    of this again once I make a final determination on my configuration.

    Joseph
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    "ModeratelyConfused" <moderatelyconfused@guess.com> wrote:

    > I also recommend this power supply. I bought it based on Dave C.'s
    > recommendation, and it has been great.

    Thanks. I researched it further and I plan to purchase it.

    Joseph
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    "Matt" <matt@themattfella.zzzz.com> wrote:

    > Joseph Spain wrote:
    >> I am about to undergo my first attempt to assemple a computer.
    >
    > Don't undergo it---undertake it!

    Thanks. English is not my first language. I will try to be more clear.

    Joseph
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    "Joseph Spain" <icystorm@removethistoreply-hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:GCKzd.26501$up.58@lakeread08...
    > "Matt" <matt@themattfella.zzzz.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Joseph Spain wrote:
    > >> I am about to undergo my first attempt to assemple a computer.
    > >
    > > Don't undergo it---undertake it!
    >
    > Thanks. English is not my first language. I will try to be more clear.
    >
    > Joseph

    It wasn't a correction, he was, how can I explain this, encouraging you.
    Kinda like "Go get 'em, tiger". I really don't know if that translates,
    it's an American thing. I couldn't tell English wasn't your fist language.

    MC
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    "Joseph Spain" <icystorm@removethistoreply-hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:osKzd.26497
    >> Your video card is way over-priced. It should be closer to $200. You
    >> can get a better video card for less:
    >> http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-220&depa=0
    >
    > I've been a firm believer in ATI and their products. In short, they
    > really support their $hit. To me, that's the most important aspect.
    > However, I researched nVidia based on the card you recommended. I learned
    > that they also have very good customer loyalty and support. I do have a
    > question though. How will the 128mb graphics card be superior to the
    > 256mb graphics card? I realize it isn't fully memory related, but what am
    > I missing? BTW, I'm not a big gamer. My primary usage of the graphics
    > card will be porting from s-video to RCA so I can watch movies and tv
    > shows on my big bedroom tv -- (avis, mpegs, and DVD). The results are
    > perfect using my current Radeon 9700 w/ TV out. It has 256 mb of mem.
    > I've never had a problem with this card. I does exactly what I want it
    > to.
    >

    >
    > Note: I wonder if I will need to purchase an LAN cable to run from the
    > NIC port to the case front? I'm not clear on this.
    >
    > * CPU FAN/HEATSINK: $16.49
    >
    > Spire CopperStream II CPU Cooler For Socket 478 CPU, Model
    > "SP420B8-2" -RETAIL
    >
    > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-151-114&depa=0
    >
    > * CASE (WITH FANS): $28.50
    >
    > RAIDMAX Black 10-bay Case, Model "268WBP" -RETAIL
    >
    > http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?DEPA=0&description=11-156-018&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=Cases
    >
    > Note: I really liked this case you recommended. Much better airflow.
    >
    > Hitachi 250GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model HDS722525VLSA80 Part#
    > 13G0255, OEM Drive Only
    >
    > http://www.upgrade-solution.com/detail.cfm?show=yes&PID=855&add=yes
    >
    > Note: I can't figure out if this comes with cables or not.
    >
    > * CD-RW: $27.50
    >
    > MITSUMI 54X32X54 Internal IDE CD-RW Drive, Model CR-485FTE, OEM
    >
    > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-150-005&depa=1
    >
    > Note: I can't figure out if this comes with cables or not
    >
    > * AUDIO CARD: $67.00
    >
    > Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS 7.1 PCI Internal Sound Card
    >
    > http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=SC-0350ZSB&c=pw
    >
    > COMBINED PRICE INCL. SHIPPING: $67.00
    >
    > Note: I'm concerned this *could* be a refurbished unit. It isn't
    > advertsied as such, but it is substantially lower at ewiz than any other
    > site I researched.
    >

    OK, I built a similar system recently. I use it for (among other things)
    recording movies off of dbs (dish network) and playing them back through my
    home theater system. My graphics card is an nvidia fx5900xt 128MB. (I'm
    not a gamer) I have no problems at all. I use a cheap leadtek tv tuner
    card to record the movies and play them back. My second monitor is the TV
    (really the A/V receiver) hooked up to the computer's video card with an
    S-Video cable. I also have S-video IN to the TV tuner card from the
    satellite tuner. There's no reason I couldn't use the RCA jacks, though.
    On graphics cards, more memory allows greater resolutions. It also helps
    with detail in 3D games, when pushed to extreme settings. However, my
    nephew has the same 128MB video card I do, and he has no problem playing the
    latest computer games, and he's a hard-core gamer. The nvidia 6600 series
    is a lot faster than a radeon 9800. But you'd probably be happy with either
    one, as the Radeon 9800 is a little faster than the card I'm using. For
    what you want to use your system for, MY system works great!

    OK, the NIC built into your mainboard has a jack that sits next to your
    other connectors on the back of your computer. There is where you would
    plug in a Lan/Ethernet cable. The other end of the cable would go to a
    Cable/DSL modem or router or (if a crossover cable) directly to another
    computer. The cable you need SHOULD come with other hardware, unless you
    are going to run it directly to another computer.

    Your drives (hard drive, CDR/W) probably do NOT come with cables. However,
    your power supply comes with SATA power cables. Your motherboard SHOULD
    come with IDE and SATA data cables. You should not have to purchase any
    cables to hook up your drives.

    The sound card you chose is decent, if a bit over-priced. I'd suggest you
    look at something from Turtle Beach like the Santa Cruz (my sound card) or
    the newer Riviera. (even cheaper) -Dave

    http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=870290
    http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=3460072
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    "Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:

    > The sound card you chose is decent, if a bit over-priced. I'd suggest
    > you look at something from Turtle Beach like the Santa Cruz (my sound
    > card) or the newer Riviera. (even cheaper) -Dave

    Thanks. I appreciate what you are saying. Honestly, I have been elated
    with all service (especially drivers that work as intended) from ATI
    (video card) and Creative (sound card) for years. They have always
    supported their stuff 100% in my experience. I am never left wanting from
    those two companies. Maybe that's worth a few extra dollars. OTOH,
    perhaps I will try something new, as you recommend. I just hate to change
    from anything that is tried and true, but I may choose to try the Riviera
    after reviewing it further, per your comments. Heck, it may even be
    better. Thanks again for your advice. I love feeling liberated from
    Dellhell and the like. My wife says I'm more at peace already. :-)

    Joseph
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    "Joseph Spain" <icystorm@removethistoreply-hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:osKzd.26497$up.4571@lakeread08...
    >
    > > For a 800FSB processor, you need DDR400 (PC3200) RAM. The 533MHz RAM
    > > you chose might also work, but it will be under-clocked IF it does work.
    > > That RAM would be matched with a 1066FSB processor. Also, unless you
    > > are going to be video editing or doing something else RAM-intensive,
    > > 512MB of RAM should be enough.
    >
    > Good call. I checked this out and made the change.

    I'd be careful of that. Depends what they'll be doing, but I definitely
    think 2x512 is worth considering if you'll be doing much multi-tasking.
  15. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Joseph Spain:

    > * VIDEO CARD: $229.00
    >
    > EVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT Video Card, 128MB GDDR3, 128-Bit,
    > DVI/TV-Out, AGP 8X, Model "128-A8-N350" -RETAIL

    One thing I should point out... AGP is a dying animal, it is being
    replaced by PCI-E and all new video cards are coming out as PCI-E. AGP
    cards will be available for maybe 6-12 months, but I suspect the standard
    will die quickly. If you are a non-gamer then I wouldn't worry about it,
    but if you plan on playing games or believe that you will want to keep
    your system longer than 18 months and may upgrade your video card... then
    I suggest using a PCI-E motherboard (something like the ABIT AG8) which
    means going back to LGA775.
    --
    Mac Cool
  16. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com> wrote:
    >Joseph Spain:
    >
    >> * VIDEO CARD: $229.00
    >> EVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT Video Card, 128MB GDDR3, 128-Bit,
    >> DVI/TV-Out, AGP 8X, Model "128-A8-N350" -RETAIL
    >
    >One thing I should point out... AGP is a dying animal, it is being
    >replaced by PCI-E and all new video cards are coming out as PCI-E.
    >AGP cards will be available for maybe 6-12 months,

    Are you predicting that AGP cards will be unavailable after 12
    months? Assuming new products from well-known online stores, I
    predict at least 30 months.


    but I suspect the standard
    >will die quickly. If you are a non-gamer then I wouldn't worry
    >about it, but if you plan on playing games or believe that you will
    >want to keep your system longer than 18 months and may upgrade your
    >video card... then I suggest using a PCI-E motherboard (something
    >like the ABIT AG8) which means going back to LGA775.
  17. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    John Doe:

    >>One thing I should point out... AGP is a dying animal, it is being
    >>replaced by PCI-E and all new video cards are coming out as PCI-E.
    >>AGP cards will be available for maybe 6-12 months,
    >
    > Are you predicting that AGP cards will be unavailable after 12
    > months? Assuming new products from well-known online stores, I
    > predict at least 30 months.

    AGP cards will be available for a long time. You can still buy PCI cards
    and ISA cards, but I don't believe that card makers will continue making
    new high end cards for AGP for much more than about 12 months. Each time
    the video card slot standard has changed, from ISA to VLB, then PCI and
    AGP; card makers have hopped on the new standard fairly quickly. It is
    expensive to make cards in two formats and there is no reason for it as
    the people who are most likely to buy top end cards are the people most
    likely to upgrade their systems frequently.
    --
    Mac Cool
  18. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    In article Joseph Spain says...
    > I am about to undergo my first attempt to assemple a computer. Any help
    > or advice anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated.

    Make sure the wife/kids/dog are out and the TV is switched off.
    Make sure you've a large clean workspace.
    Have a drink of coffee and read the manuals.
    Put together a bare system first, i.e motherboard, CPU, heatsink&fan,
    one RAM stick and graphics card then test it to see that it switches on
    OK. If it does, add the rest. If it doesn't, don't panic. Check
    everything especially that you've turned the plug on and turned on the
    switch on the PSU.
    Have another drink of coffee.
    Install Windows.

    Tips:
    Use a magnetic screwdriver. saves ages trying to retrieve screws that've
    fallen behind things in the case.
    The only front panel connectors you can get the wrong way round are HDD
    and power LED.
    If the floppy drive light remains permanently lit the cable is the wrong
    way round at the drive end.
    Don't use too much thermal paste.
    Heatsinks can be a bastard to get on. Sometimes you really do have to
    push that hard. Its a good idea to put the CPU and heatsink on the
    motherboard supporting it on a flat surface BEFORE you put the
    motherboard in the case.


    --
    Conor

    An imperfect plan executed violently is far superior to a perfect plan.
    -- George Patton
  19. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Conor wrote:

    > In article Joseph Spain says...
    > > I am about to undergo my first attempt to assemple a computer. Any help
    > > or advice anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated.
    >
    > Make sure the wife/kids/dog are out and the TV is switched off.
    > Make sure you've a large clean workspace.
    > Have a drink of coffee and read the manuals.
    > Put together a bare system first, i.e motherboard, CPU, heatsink&fan,
    > one RAM stick and graphics card then test it to see that it switches on
    > OK. If it does, add the rest. If it doesn't, don't panic. Check
    > everything especially that you've turned the plug on and turned on the
    > switch on the PSU.
    > Have another drink of coffee.
    > Install Windows.
    >
    > Tips:
    > Use a magnetic screwdriver. saves ages trying to retrieve screws that've
    > fallen behind things in the case.
    > The only front panel connectors you can get the wrong way round are HDD
    > and power LED.
    > If the floppy drive light remains permanently lit the cable is the wrong
    > way round at the drive end.
    > Don't use too much thermal paste.
    > Heatsinks can be a bastard to get on. Sometimes you really do have to
    > push that hard. Its a good idea to put the CPU and heatsink on the
    > motherboard supporting it on a flat surface BEFORE you put the
    > motherboard in the case.

    Flat surface, before put in case, almost a must; stupid not to.

    Bryan

    > --
    > Conor
    >
    > An imperfect plan executed violently is far superior to a perfect plan.
    > -- George Patton
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    "Joseph Spain" <icystorm@removethistoreply-hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:MBLzd.26504$up.13553@lakeread08...
    > "Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:
    >
    >> The sound card you chose is decent, if a bit over-priced. I'd suggest
    >> you look at something from Turtle Beach like the Santa Cruz (my sound
    >> card) or the newer Riviera. (even cheaper) -Dave
    >
    > Thanks. I appreciate what you are saying. Honestly, I have been elated
    > with all service (especially drivers that work as intended) from ATI
    > (video card) and Creative (sound card) for years. They have always
    > supported their stuff 100% in my experience. I am never left wanting from
    > those two companies. Maybe that's worth a few extra dollars. OTOH,
    > perhaps I will try something new, as you recommend. I just hate to change
    > from anything that is tried and true,

    Actually, anything Turtle Beach is just as tried and true as the Creative
    brand sound cards. You really can't get better quality than Turtle Beach,
    but you can definitely pay more. :) -Dave
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    "Mac Cool" <Mac@2cool.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns95CBEF4BA8DC2MacCool@24.25.9.42...
    > Joseph Spain:
    >
    >> * VIDEO CARD: $229.00
    >>
    >> EVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT Video Card, 128MB GDDR3, 128-Bit,
    >> DVI/TV-Out, AGP 8X, Model "128-A8-N350" -RETAIL
    >
    > One thing I should point out... AGP is a dying animal, it is being
    > replaced by PCI-E and all new video cards are coming out as PCI-E. AGP
    > cards will be available for maybe 6-12 months, but I suspect the standard
    > will die quickly. If you are a non-gamer then I wouldn't worry about it,

    That's good advice. But typically, all major components will be replaced
    every couple of years anyway. That is, by the time you want a new video
    card, you probably want a new motherboard and CPU, also. So I generally
    advise people to build what will work for them NOW, and not worry about
    upgrading it later. There is nothing wrong with PCI-E, but if you don't
    need it, it's a waste of money. IMHO -Dave
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    "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
    news:Xns95CBEBE846D75wisdomfolly@151.164.30.48...
    > >
    > >Buy.com probably has the worst reputation of any online store
    > >anywhere.
    >
    > Whenever I see a movie review that starts out "Worst Movie Ever!" I
    > tend to skip it.

    But if I read 100 reviews and they all say the same thing, I tend to pay
    attention. At one time, BUY.COM was quite good, and had low prices. But
    now they're mediocre at best.
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    "jeffc" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    >"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message

    >> Whenever I see a movie review that starts out "Worst Movie Ever!"
    >> I tend to skip it.
    >
    >But if I read 100 reviews and they all say the same thing, I tend
    >to pay attention.

    That depends on the source. I don't trust commercial web sites for
    opinions which are intended to effect my purchases. I learned the
    ABCs about advertising long ago.


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    "Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:

    >Actually, anything Turtle Beach is just as tried and true as the
    >Creative brand sound cards. You really can't get better quality
    >than Turtle Beach, but you can definitely pay more. :) -Dave

    I like Creative Labs software. I wasn't impressed with the software
    which came with my Quadzilla. However, as much as possible I do like to
    give others a chance.
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    John Doe:

    >>> Whenever I see a movie review that starts out "Worst Movie Ever!"
    >>> I tend to skip it.
    >>
    >>But if I read 100 reviews and they all say the same thing, I tend
    >>to pay attention.
    >
    > That depends on the source. I don't trust commercial web sites for
    > opinions which are intended to effect my purchases. I learned the
    > ABCs about advertising long ago.

    So who are you going to trust, your own experience? That's fine but the
    downside is that you have to get burned before you learn. Visit the
    video groups and ask about buying from buy.com and read the replies...
    they will be overwhelmingly negative. There was a recent story about
    someone who ordered a video card and the box had been opened and the
    wrong card was inside. Buy.com didn't want to make it right, it took
    weeks for the guy to get it straight. In other groups people who have
    ordered games from buy.com have posted that their serial was already
    registered online, obviously stolen by a buy.com employee. Nine out of
    ten people that have posted a review on reseller ratings had a negative
    experience. Those are people posting their opinions, not a commercial
    website making recommendations. It's your money, spend it where you
    like, but I wouldn't go around recommending them to others.
    --
    Mac Cool
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    Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com> wrote:
    >John Doe:

    >>>> Whenever I see a movie review that starts out "Worst Movie
    >>>> Ever!" I tend to skip it.
    >>>
    >>> But if I read 100 reviews and they all say the same thing, I
    >>> tend to pay attention.
    >>
    >> That depends on the source. I don't trust commercial web sites
    >> for opinions which are intended to effect my purchases. I learned
    >> the ABCs about advertising long ago.
    >
    >So who are you going to trust, your own experience?

    That is IMO an odd question.

    >Nine out of ten people that have posted a review on reseller
    >ratings had a negative experience. Those are people posting their
    >opinions, not a commercial website making recommendations.

    But we all know about moderated forums.

    >It's your money, spend it where you like, but I wouldn't go around
    >recommending them to others.

    This is an unmoderated forum.

    My impression is based on a lot of personal experience. The reader
    can take it or leave it.

    I have shopped at Buy.com for years and have never had a problem
    which wasn't resolved in my favor. I almost never need customer
    service and have been impressed with their apparent automation.

    Overall, my online shopping experience has been excellent.


    >--
    >Mac Cool
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    "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
    news:Xns95CCEF9C5AEE6wisdomfolly@151.164.30.44...
    > Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com> wrote:
    >>John Doe:
    >
    >>>>> Whenever I see a movie review that starts out "Worst Movie
    >>>>> Ever!" I tend to skip it.
    >>>>
    >>>> But if I read 100 reviews and they all say the same thing, I
    >>>> tend to pay attention.
    >>>
    >>> That depends on the source. I don't trust commercial web sites
    >>> for opinions which are intended to effect my purchases. I learned
    >>> the ABCs about advertising long ago.
    >>
    >>So who are you going to trust, your own experience?
    >
    > That is IMO an odd question.
    >
    >>Nine out of ten people that have posted a review on reseller
    >>ratings had a negative experience. Those are people posting their
    >>opinions, not a commercial website making recommendations.
    >
    > But we all know about moderated forums.
    >
    >>It's your money, spend it where you like, but I wouldn't go around
    >>recommending them to others.
    >
    > This is an unmoderated forum.
    >
    > My impression is based on a lot of personal experience. The reader
    > can take it or leave it.
    >
    > I have shopped at Buy.com for years and have never had a problem
    > which wasn't resolved in my favor. I almost never need customer
    > service and have been impressed with their apparent automation.
    >
    > Overall, my online shopping experience has been excellent.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >>--
    >>Mac Cool
    >>
    And somebody out there loves their Ford Pinto too...
    http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2107.html
  28. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Troll.

    "Kill Bill" <a@b.c> wrote:

    >Path: newssvr12.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm05.news.prodigy.com!newsdst02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-server.columbus.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.socal.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail
    >From: "Kill Bill" <a@b.c>
    >Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
    >References: <Mepzd.24932$up.1129@lakeread08> <Xns95CAE31173C92wisdomfolly@151.164.30.44> <1104121925.362232c61f78a2bd7d3d8a9eb0776eaf@bubbanews> <Xns95CBEBE846D75wisdomfolly@151.164.30.48> <PlXzd.971$kc6.409175@twister.southeast.rr.com> <Xns95CC7656A7603wisdomfolly@151.164.30.48> <Xns95CCF11B7650FMacCool@24.25.9.42> <Xns95CCEF9C5AEE6wisdomfolly@151.164.30.44>
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    >
    >
    >"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
    >news:Xns95CCEF9C5AEE6wisdomfolly@151.164.30.44...
    >> Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com> wrote:
    >>> John Doe:
    >>
    >>>>>> Whenever I see a movie review that starts out "Worst Movie
    >>>>>> Ever!" I tend to skip it.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> But if I read 100 reviews and they all say the same thing, I
    >>>>> tend to pay attention.
    >>>>
    >>>> That depends on the source. I don't trust commercial web sites
    >>>> for opinions which are intended to effect my purchases. I learned
    >>>> the ABCs about advertising long ago.
    >>>
    >>> So who are you going to trust, your own experience?
    >>
    >> That is IMO an odd question.
    >>
    >>> Nine out of ten people that have posted a review on reseller
    >>> ratings had a negative experience. Those are people posting their
    >>> opinions, not a commercial website making recommendations.
    >>
    >> But we all know about moderated forums.
    >>
    >>> It's your money, spend it where you like, but I wouldn't go around
    >>> recommending them to others.
    >>
    >> This is an unmoderated forum.
    >>
    >> My impression is based on a lot of personal experience. The reader
    >> can take it or leave it.
    >>
    >> I have shopped at Buy.com for years and have never had a problem
    >> which wasn't resolved in my favor. I almost never need customer
    >> service and have been impressed with their apparent automation.
    >>
    >> Overall, my online shopping experience has been excellent.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> --
    >>> Mac Cool
    >>>
    >And somebody out there loves their Ford Pinto too...
    >http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2107.html
    >
    >
    >
    >
  29. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com> wrote:

    >Those are people posting their opinions, not a commercial
    >website making recommendations.

    http://www.resellerratings.com/merchant-solutions

    It is a commercial web site. You are making perfectly clear that
    their ratings influence where you spend money. That is the
    definition of advertising, and they get paid by the very same
    companies the ratings steer you to. A merchant who buys
    ResellerRatings' services probably receives better published
    reviews. That's the way things work in the world.


    >--
    >Mac Cool
    >
    >
    >Path: newssvr12.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm05.news.prodigy.com!newsdst02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail
    >Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
    >Subject: Re: First attempt to assemble a computer -- advice appreciated
    >From: Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com>
    >References: <Mepzd.24932$up.1129@lakeread08> <Xns95CAE31173C92wisdomfolly@151.164.30.44> <1104121925.362232c61f78a2bd7d3d8a9eb0776eaf@bubbanews> <Xns95CBEBE846D75wisdomfolly@151.164.30.48> <PlXzd.971$kc6.409175@twister.southeast.rr.com> <Xns95CC7656A7603wisdomfolly@151.164.30.48>
    >Message-ID: <Xns95CCF11B7650FMacCool@24.25.9.42>
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    >NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:41:51 EST
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  30. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    next thing you'll be telling us is that there is no Santa
    Claus....shame on you bursting our bubble, that the world is not a
    honest place.....I was so disillusioned.


    "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
    news:Xns95CD2D13E650Awisdomfolly@151.164.30.42...
    > Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com> wrote:
    >
    > >Those are people posting their opinions, not a commercial
    > >website making recommendations.
    >
    > http://www.resellerratings.com/merchant-solutions
    >
    > It is a commercial web site. You are making perfectly clear that
    > their ratings influence where you spend money. That is the
    > definition of advertising, and they get paid by the very same
    > companies the ratings steer you to. A merchant who buys
    > ResellerRatings' services probably receives better published
    > reviews. That's the way things work in the world.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >--
    > >Mac Cool
    > >
    > >
    > >Path:
    newssvr12.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm05.news.prodigy.com!newsdst02.news.p
    rodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!border1.nntp.dca.gi
    ganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gn
    ilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.c
    om!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail
    > >Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
    > >Subject: Re: First attempt to assemble a computer -- advice
    appreciated
    > >From: Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com>
    > >References: <Mepzd.24932$up.1129@lakeread08>
    <Xns95CAE31173C92wisdomfolly@151.164.30.44>
    <1104121925.362232c61f78a2bd7d3d8a9eb0776eaf@bubbanews>
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    <PlXzd.971$kc6.409175@twister.southeast.rr.com>
    <Xns95CC7656A7603wisdomfolly@151.164.30.48>
    > >Message-ID: <Xns95CCF11B7650FMacCool@24.25.9.42>
    > >User-Agent: Xnews/06.12.01
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    Dec 2004 23:41:51 EST)
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    > >Xref: newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com
    alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:425561
    > >
    >
  31. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
    news:Xns95CD2D13E650Awisdomfolly@151.164.30.42...
    > Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com> wrote:
    >
    >>Those are people posting their opinions, not a commercial
    >>website making recommendations.
    >
    > http://www.resellerratings.com/merchant-solutions
    >
    > It is a commercial web site. You are making perfectly clear that
    > their ratings influence where you spend money. That is the
    > definition of advertising, and they get paid by the very same
    > companies the ratings steer you to. A merchant who buys
    > ResellerRatings' services probably receives better published
    > reviews. That's the way things work in the world.
    >
    Idiot.

    http://www.resellerratings.com/faq.pl

    Q: ResellerRatings rated a company unfairly. Please explain.

    A: We do not rate companies. Our site users are 100% responsible for
    evaluating 100% of the companies listed at ResellerRatings.com. The people
    who own and operate ResellerRatings.com do not submit ANY evaluations for
    ANY companies. We only maintain the technology and software that powers the
    site. Further, users who post evaluations are 100% liable for the content of
    their comments.

    Q: How do I know that the companies haven't submitted evaluations for
    themselves?

    A: We use a variety of techniques to prevent voting fraud, not the least of
    which is good old fashioned manual review of selected evaluations. We log IP
    addresses, we require email verification, we ask for the customer's invoice
    number, and occasionally we ask that customers fax us a copy of their order
    invoice for verification. Some merchants have in fact attempted to get away
    with submitting evaluations for their own companies in the past. Though
    rare, such an offense will earn the merchant a comment from us to be placed
    in their comments file, letting visitors know of their fraudlent
    evaluations. And of course, any fraudulent evaluations are removed.
  32. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:

    > But typically, all major components will be replaced every couple of
    > years anyway.

    Good point. In a similar vein, I am having a very hard time selling (or
    even disposing of) old computer parts and peripheral components that still
    work perfectly. I've tried the regular auction sites, with very little
    success, even though I offer the stuff at extremely low prices. Any ideas
    on getting rid of or recycling old computer related stuff like an AOpen
    V.90 56K Internet/voice/ fax modem card, an RCA DCM235 DOCSIS cable modem,
    or a Sound Blaster Live! SB0200 sound card, or should I just trash them?
    The stuff still works perfectly, but golly... if no one wants or needs it,
    I won't resort to being an eternal packrat. We simply don't have the
    available space to store things indefinitely that will likely never be
    used again. Maybe I should offer all the stuff together in potpourri
    style. Any thoughts?

    Joseph
  33. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    >From: "ModeratelyConfused" moderatelyconfused@guess.com

    >http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-153-006&depa=0
    >
    >I also recommend this power supply. I bought it based on Dave C.'s
    >recommendation, and it has been great. The only problem is that the wires
    >are incredibly long, as in longer than needed for even a tower server case.
    >You can also plug the PSU fans into one of the chassis fan sockets on the
    >motherboard, so that the fan speed can be changed. Get it now, while the
    >price is low because I've noticed that it fluctuates a lot.

    I also got a Tt PSU, but the PurePower 560 because it was the only one the
    store had and they were giving me a credit for my DOA Antec that I had
    previously bought from them. I figure probably way more power than I'll ever
    need but I really like this PSU. Nice sleeving. It actually brought my case
    temps down about 4 degrees:

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-153-015&depa=0
  34. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    John Doe:
    > A merchant who buys ResellerRatings' services probably receives
    > better published reviews. That's the way things work in the world.

    That doesn't explain buy.com's horrible rating and negative comments;
    neither does it explain the negative comments about their service in
    general from other sources on the web. I didn't mean to challenge you on
    the buy.com issue, it's just that I have heard so much negative about them
    that I was somewhat taken off guard by positive comments.
    --
    Mac Cool
  35. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Mac Cool" <Mac@2cool.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns95CCF11B7650FMacCool@24.25.9.42...
    > >
    > > That depends on the source. I don't trust commercial web sites for
    > > opinions which are intended to effect my purchases. I learned the
    > > ABCs about advertising long ago.
    >
    > So who are you going to trust, your own experience? That's fine but the
    > downside is that you have to get burned before you learn.

    Experience, as it turns out, is not that good a teacher. Most people
    underestimate the amount of randomness in life. You might get good service
    from a company depending on what kind of day the guy who placed your order
    is having. You might have a cheap hard drive last a long time, or an
    expensive hard drive crash real quick. Listening to many sources reduces
    this randomness to a probability you can trust.
  36. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    jeffc wrote:

    > "Mac Cool" <Mac@2cool.com> wrote in message
    > news:Xns95CCF11B7650FMacCool@24.25.9.42...
    >
    >>>That depends on the source. I don't trust commercial web sites for
    >>>opinions which are intended to effect my purchases. I learned the
    >>>ABCs about advertising long ago.
    >>
    >>So who are you going to trust, your own experience? That's fine but the
    >>downside is that you have to get burned before you learn.
    >
    >
    > Experience, as it turns out, is not that good a teacher. Most people
    > underestimate the amount of randomness in life. You might get good service
    > from a company depending on what kind of day the guy who placed your order
    > is having. You might have a cheap hard drive last a long time, or an
    > expensive hard drive crash real quick.

    In the world of statistics it's called insufficient sample size ;)

    > Listening to many sources reduces
    > this randomness to a probability you can trust.

    More samples.
  37. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    >
    > Good point. In a similar vein, I am having a very hard time selling (or
    > even disposing of) old computer parts and peripheral components that still
    > work perfectly. I've tried the regular auction sites, with very little
    > success, even though I offer the stuff at extremely low prices. Any ideas
    > on getting rid of or recycling old computer related stuff like an AOpen
    > V.90 56K Internet/voice/ fax modem card, an RCA DCM235 DOCSIS cable modem,
    > or a Sound Blaster Live! SB0200 sound card, or should I just trash them?

    I wish I had a better suggestion for you. In our area, you can't even
    trash them. It is illegal to throw away computer parts here. You must pay
    to have them recycled. What they are recycled into, I can't even
    magine. -Dave
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    Troll.

    "JAD" <kapasitor@charter.net> wrote:

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    >From: "JAD" <kapasitor@charter.net>
    >From: "JAD" <kapasitor @charter.net>
    >Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
    >References: <Mepzd.24932$up.1129@lakeread08> <Xns95CAE31173C92wisdomfolly@151.164.30.44> <1104121925.362232c61f78a2bd7d3d8a9eb0776eaf@bubbanews> <Xns95CBEBE846D75wisdomfolly@151.164.30.48> <PlXzd.971$kc6.409175@twister.southeast.rr.com> <Xns95CC7656A7603wisdomfolly@151.164.30.48> <Xns95CCF11B7650FMacCool@24.25.9.42> <Xns95CD2D13E650Awisdomfolly@151.164.30.42>
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    >
    >next thing you'll be telling us is that there is no Santa
    >Claus....shame on you bursting our bubble, that the world is not a
    >honest place.....I was so disillusioned.
    >
    >
    >
    >"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
    >news:Xns95CD2D13E650Awisdomfolly@151.164.30.42...
    >> Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Those are people posting their opinions, not a commercial
    >>> website making recommendations.
    >>
    >> http://www.resellerratings.com/merchant-solutions
    >>
    >> It is a commercial web site. You are making perfectly clear that
    >> their ratings influence where you spend money. That is the
    >> definition of advertising, and they get paid by the very same
    >> companies the ratings steer you to. A merchant who buys
    >> ResellerRatings' services probably receives better published
    >> reviews. That's the way things work in the world.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> --
    >>> Mac Cool
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Path:
    >newssvr12.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm05.news.prodigy.com!newsdst02.news.p
    >rodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!border1.nntp.dca.gi
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    >om!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail
    >>> Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
    >>> Subject: Re: First attempt to assemble a computer -- advice
    >appreciated
    >>> From: Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com>
    >>> References: <Mepzd.24932$up.1129@lakeread08>
    ><Xns95CAE31173C92wisdomfolly@151.164.30.44>
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    >>> Message-ID: <Xns95CCF11B7650FMacCool@24.25.9.42>
    >>> User-Agent: Xnews/06.12.01
    >>> Lines: 27
    >>> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:41:51 GMT
    >>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.49.47
    >>> X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com
    >>> X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1104208911 24.163.49.47 (Mon, 27
    >Dec 2004 23:41:51 EST)
    >>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:41:51 EST
    >>> Organization: Road Runner - NC
    >>> Xref: newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com
    >alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:425561
    >>>
    >>
    >
    >
    >
    >
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