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Intel Developing New SSD Specification for Ultrabooks

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August 3, 2012 9:08:35 PM

I wish it wasn't Intel pushing the standard improvement, but at least someone is pushing for a standard improvement who has clout.
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August 3, 2012 9:27:26 PM

I don't care who pushes the standard as long as everyone actually adopts it and no-one owns it, the 3.5" and 2.5" drives have been so successful for that reason.
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August 3, 2012 9:32:09 PM

jacobdrjI wish it wasn't Intel pushing the standard improvement

umm, why?
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August 3, 2012 9:39:55 PM

dragonsqrrlumm, why?

Because I fear it won't be adopted by everyone. Namely AMD. Perhaps Apple as well.
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August 3, 2012 9:44:47 PM

jacobdrjBecause I fear it won't be adopted by everyone. Namely AMD. Perhaps Apple as well.

Because everyone knows AMD doesn't use x86, sse, or mmx.

Apple wouldn't use anything from Intel, not their processors, or the thunderbolt ports, or motherboards, or anything at all...... They only use Apple products, that's why the macbook air has an A5 APU, and the mac pro runs a risc PowerPC chip...
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August 3, 2012 9:46:36 PM

Makes sense to me. Helps if everyone is using the same standard. I remember proprietary systems being a royal pain in the neck.
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August 3, 2012 9:49:23 PM

dalethepcmanBecause everyone knows AMD doesn't use x86, sse, or mmx.Apple wouldn't use anything from Intel, not their processors, or the thunderbolt ports, or motherboards, or anything at all...... They only use Apple products, that's why the macbook air has an A5 APU, and the mac pro runs a risc PowerPC chip...

Ultrabooks are in direct competition with Apple's Air line. Even if they are using the same components, it puts stress on the relationship. By actually favoring Apple with Thunderbolt, it may have hindered the adoption of Thunderbolt to other manufacturers, as it may have increased licensing costs (much like Firewire was a slow adoption after Intel pushed USB without Apple).

I said in my OP that I appreciate someone with clout doing this. But Intel, unless they do this wisely, might make as simple an issue as this standard, become divisive.
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August 3, 2012 10:04:56 PM

Firewire was slow to adoption because when it came out it was inferior to USB. Intel had nothing to do with that =/
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August 3, 2012 10:22:53 PM

jacobdrjUltrabooks are in direct competition with Apple's Air line. Even if they are using the same components, it puts stress on the relationship. By actually favoring Apple with Thunderbolt, it may have hindered the adoption of Thunderbolt to other manufacturers, as it may have increased licensing costs (much like Firewire was a slow adoption after Intel pushed USB without Apple). I said in my OP that I appreciate someone with clout doing this. But Intel, unless they do this wisely, might make as simple an issue as this standard, become divisive.



Well apple will have to use this if they want to stay competitive with higher capacity ssds and still small form factor.
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August 4, 2012 12:39:27 AM

c123s456Firewire was slow to adoption because when it came out it was inferior to USB. Intel had nothing to do with that =/


really, i thought firewire was suppose to be faster than usb by allot, even usb 2 while theoretically was faster never matched firewire, and only usb3 really pushed it... the only reason firewire wasn't standard was because of apple holding onto its name, and forcing everyone else to use the letter number name i cant remember, which for normal users, means nothing, so it couldn't be used as a marketing point.
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August 4, 2012 12:45:55 AM

jacobdrjBecause I fear it won't be adopted by everyone. Namely AMD. Perhaps Apple as well.

AMD won't have to support this because AMD is not in the business of manufacturing SSDs. Still I'm 100% positive if Intel opens the spec both AMD will be delighted as it means devices that are equipped with AMD processors will largely benefit from this as well as Intel. As far as Apple is concerned if this new standard decreases cost and or allows them to build smaller devices I'm sure Apple will be on board with this as well.
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August 4, 2012 5:06:43 AM

c123s456Firewire was slow to adoption because when it came out it was inferior to USB. Intel had nothing to do with that =/

Fire wire had slow adoptation because of many reasons
1) more expensive to manufacture compared to usb 1.1
2) larger interface and controller chips compared to usb
3) very few devices demanded or needed the 200Mbps of firewire (actuially it could go up to 400Mbps, but most controllers were gimped at 200Mbps until 1394a was released). The 12Mbps of USB was more than adequate for most devices at the time.
4) when USB2 came out against firewire2 (1394a, which is still oddly the standard for most FW devices in spite of its age and the vast superiority of 1394b), USB had already won the standards war for periphrials, and it was backwards compatible to a multitude of older devices, so people stuck with what they were familiar with. USB2 was superior for small file transfers, while FW400 was faster for large chunk transfers, so FW became almost entirely dedicated to video camera connectivity, and a select few pro audio devices and HDD enclosures
5) And this is the most important reason; Fire Wire is called fire wire because it will literally burn out your equipment! The amperage is too high, and the interface is too poorly designed, so it can literally bridge and fry your (expensive) video cameras and HDD interfaces. And if you burn out the controller on your mobo then it will instantly fry every piece of equipment that you plug into it (ask me how I know lol). USB was simply safer to use, so manufacturers used it.
6) FW800 made too many changes, and has become nearly entirely useless. USB3, eSATA, thunderbolt, and even HDMI make for better transfer mediums, and so FW800 died before it even reached the PC market... doomed forever to be that one odd mystery port on macs that is never used.


Firewire was (until recently) always superior to USB. It has much faster data rates, much less overhead in it's transfers, and a much better ability to power devices so that less power adapters were needed. But (like betamax) it just goes to show that the 'superior' technology is not always 'better', and certainly not given any sort of right to survive in the market when it fails in other areas (like expense, and design flaws)... Intel should take note of this with DP/Thunderbolt...
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August 4, 2012 5:12:53 AM

almost forgot
7) fat, heavy, and inflexible cables are required for FW, which users (and manufacturers) do not like. USB on the other hand works just fine with even absolute junk wiring.
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August 4, 2012 2:54:40 PM

So when can we get battery size specification standard with diff size for diff devices, like ATX that comes with diff size, EATX, mAtx, ITX?

You know I am not happy to get rip off by Oem for replacing or adding a second my battery.

Standardize battery size can also introduce 3rd partly manufacturer to offer "better/cheaper" battery.
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August 4, 2012 8:28:39 PM

dalethepcmanApple wouldn't use anything from Intel, not their processors, or the thunderbolt ports, or motherboards, or anything at all...... They only use Apple products, that's why the macbook air has an A5 APU, and the mac pro runs a risc PowerPC chip...

Um, Thunderbolt is designed by Intel, and most Macs made the switch a while ago to Intel processors. Macbook Airs have an i5 or i7 processor. This is why you can install Windows on a Mac.
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August 5, 2012 8:14:41 AM

chazbeaverUm, Thunderbolt is designed by Intel, and most Macs made the switch a while ago to Intel processors. Macbook Airs have an i5 or i7 processor. This is why you can install Windows on a Mac.


Your sarcasm detector is broken.
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August 5, 2012 8:16:20 AM

chazbeaverUm, Thunderbolt is designed by Intel, and most Macs made the switch a while ago to Intel processors. Macbook Airs have an i5 or i7 processor. This is why you can install Windows on a Mac.

He was being sarcastic.
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August 5, 2012 10:07:13 AM

Missing the point people...

The mSATA SSD format is likely only going to be for pre-installed SSD's basically like how you purchase tablets today.

It's not something the average person has to concern themselves with.

My new iPad 3 has 64GB of memory and it's made out of jelly bears? Okay, 64GB. I'm good.
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