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Anonymous
May 9, 2005 6:21:47 PM

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NT Based OS' create an Environmental variable "Safeboot_Option" when booted into Safe Mode.

What can be used in a script to detect Safe Mode under Win9x/ME ?

I am asking in Win98 and WinME General NGs because I am hoping someone with specific OS
knowledge may have an answer or pointers to find an answer.

TIA
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Anonymous
May 9, 2005 11:43:28 PM

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What are you actually trying to do? - one part of your post leads me to
think that you're trying to force a programmatic reboot into Safe Mode, and
the other seems to ask how you know when you're there!

Please restate your question.

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"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
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> NT Based OS' create an Environmental variable "Safeboot_Option" when
> booted into Safe Mode.
>
> What can be used in a script to detect Safe Mode under Win9x/ME ?
>
> I am asking in Win98 and WinME General NGs because I am hoping someone
> with specific OS
> knowledge may have an answer or pointers to find an answer.
>
> TIA
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>
Anonymous
May 9, 2005 11:43:29 PM

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From: "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com>

| What are you actually trying to do? - one part of your post leads me to
| think that you're trying to force a programmatic reboot into Safe Mode, and
| the other seems to ask how you know when you're there!
|
| Please restate your question.
|
| --
| Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Actually Noel, both. ;-)


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May 9, 2005 11:55:12 PM

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There were two?? - shows how confused I was!

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"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
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> From: "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com>
>
> | What are you actually trying to do? - one part of your post leads me to
> | think that you're trying to force a programmatic reboot into Safe Mode,
> and
> | the other seems to ask how you know when you're there!
> |
> | Please restate your question.
> |
> | --
> | Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Actually Noel, both. ;-)
>
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>
Anonymous
May 9, 2005 11:55:13 PM

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From: "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com>

| There were two?? - shows how confused I was!
|
| --
| Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

No, the question was just programmatically detecting safe mode under Win9x/ME.

However, it just so happens I am /*also*/ interested in "...trying to force a programmatic
reboot into Safe Mode...".

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Anonymous
May 10, 2005 3:00:36 AM

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David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com>
>
> | What are you actually trying to do? - one part of your post leads me to
> | think that you're trying to force a programmatic reboot into Safe Mode, and
> | the other seems to ask how you know when you're there!
> |
> | Please restate your question.
> |
> | --
> | Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Actually Noel, both. ;-)
>
>

Don't ask for much, do ya...

to force a "programmatic" reboot into SafeMode you have to change the
Registry key controlled by MSConfig.exe's "next boot in Safe Mode" switch.

You can use the same key to test if you're in Safe Mode (unless it's a
"do once"; if it is, put an itty bitty .reg file to change it to some
arbitray setting in your Normal Startup)... or you could check the
"current video mode".


Rick
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 4:20:23 AM

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In Safe Mode, the win32 drivers for the HD controllers are not loaded,
forcing "DOS compatibility mode".
Determine how to detect this condition.
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> From: "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com>
>
> | There were two?? - shows how confused I was!
> |
> | --
> | Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> No, the question was just programmatically detecting safe mode under
Win9x/ME.
>
> However, it just so happens I am /*also*/ interested in "...trying to
force a programmatic
> reboot into Safe Mode...".
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 11:15:22 AM

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From: "Rick T" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com>

| David H. Lipman wrote:
>> From: "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com>
>>
|>> What are you actually trying to do? - one part of your post leads me to
|>> think that you're trying to force a programmatic reboot into Safe Mode, and
|>> the other seems to ask how you know when you're there!
|>>
|>> Please restate your question.
|>>
|>> --
|>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>
>> Actually Noel, both. ;-)
>>
| Don't ask for much, do ya...
|
| to force a "programmatic" reboot into SafeMode you have to change the
| Registry key controlled by MSConfig.exe's "next boot in Safe Mode" switch.
|
| You can use the same key to test if you're in Safe Mode (unless it's a
| "do once"; if it is, put an itty bitty .reg file to change it to some
| arbitray setting in your Normal Startup)... or you could check the
| "current video mode".
|
| Rick

OK, what are the Registry keys ?

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Anonymous
May 10, 2005 1:56:21 PM

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But doesn't the display tell you that you are in Safe Mode (Each corner of
the screen)?

Seems a lot of trouble to confirm the obvious <g>

Mart


"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
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> In Safe Mode, the win32 drivers for the HD controllers are not loaded,
> forcing "DOS compatibility mode".
> Determine how to detect this condition.
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
> In Memorium: Alex Nichol
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> ------
> "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
> news:o yQ6RsMVFHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> From: "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com>
>>
>> | There were two?? - shows how confused I was!
>> |
>> | --
>> | Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>
>> No, the question was just programmatically detecting safe mode under
> Win9x/ME.
>>
>> However, it just so happens I am /*also*/ interested in "...trying to
> force a programmatic
>> reboot into Safe Mode...".
>>
>> --
>> Dave
>> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
>> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 1:56:22 PM

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From: "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam>

| But doesn't the display tell you that you are in Safe Mode (Each corner of
| the screen)?
|
| Seems a lot of trouble to confirm the obvious <g>
|
| Mart

From a human screen reading POV, its obvious. But not from a script running under the OS.

That is what I need to know. It had been suggested...

On Error Resume Next
arrComputers = Array("COMP1","COMP2")
For Each strComputer In arrComputers
WScript.Echo "Computer: " & strComputer
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\CIMV2")
Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM Win32_ComputerSystem", "WQL",&h30)
For Each objItem In colItems
WScript.Echo "BootupState: " & objItem.BootupState
Next
Next


However, Win9x/ME doesn't support Win32_ComputerSystem and there is no guarantee in Win98
that WMI is installed. Note that the above language is not being used. I am using Kixtart
interpreter but the above COM object can be implemented in Kixtart.

--
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http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 1:56:23 PM

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David, I can't help you further, except to suggest posting in one of the
....Windows programmer or developer ng's, or better, in a TechNet
programmer's forum.
I suspect this is a trivial problem to those in the know ...

I also suspect that you have Googled the question without success ...

If all else fails, use my name and speak directly to MVP Doug Knox, who is a
scripting fool. He is a wonderful guy, and truly a Windows guru.
I suspect he, and/or his good friend, MVP Bill James, another who dreams in
vb script, will know the solution.

Doug's Windows Tweaks and Tips
http://www.dougknox.com
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
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> From: "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam>
>
> | But doesn't the display tell you that you are in Safe Mode (Each corner
of
> | the screen)?
> |
> | Seems a lot of trouble to confirm the obvious <g>
> |
> | Mart
>
> From a human screen reading POV, its obvious. But not from a script
running under the OS.
>
> That is what I need to know. It had been suggested...
>
> On Error Resume Next
> arrComputers = Array("COMP1","COMP2")
> For Each strComputer In arrComputers
> WScript.Echo "Computer: " & strComputer
> Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\CIMV2")
> Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
Win32_ComputerSystem", "WQL",&h30)
> For Each objItem In colItems
> WScript.Echo "BootupState: " & objItem.BootupState
> Next
> Next
>
>
> However, Win9x/ME doesn't support Win32_ComputerSystem and there is no
guarantee in Win98
> that WMI is installed. Note that the above language is not being used. I
am using Kixtart
> interpreter but the above COM object can be implemented in Kixtart.
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 1:56:24 PM

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From: "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net>

| David, I can't help you further, except to suggest posting in one of the
| ...Windows programmer or developer ng's, or better, in a TechNet
| programmer's forum.
| I suspect this is a trivial problem to those in the know ...
|
| I also suspect that you have Googled the question without success ...
|
| If all else fails, use my name and speak directly to MVP Doug Knox, who is a
| scripting fool. He is a wonderful guy, and truly a Windows guru.
| I suspect he, and/or his good friend, MVP Bill James, another who dreams in
| vb script, will know the solution.
|
| Doug's Windows Tweaks and Tips
| http://www.dougknox.com
| --
| Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
| Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
| In Memorium: Alex Nichol
| http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
| Your cooperation is very appreciated.

Thanx Jack for your suggestions.

I have consulted with one of the *best* scripters, Torgeir Bakken.
I have also received the WMI/COM information from Jim Vierra in the Server Scripting NG.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 1:56:25 PM

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Well, you are very far ahead of me, indeed. When/if you learn the answer, I
would be very happy to hear it.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
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> From: "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net>
>
> | David, I can't help you further, except to suggest posting in one of
the
> | ...Windows programmer or developer ng's, or better, in a TechNet
> | programmer's forum.
> | I suspect this is a trivial problem to those in the know ...
> |
> | I also suspect that you have Googled the question without success ...
> |
> | If all else fails, use my name and speak directly to MVP Doug Knox, who
is a
> | scripting fool. He is a wonderful guy, and truly a Windows guru.
> | I suspect he, and/or his good friend, MVP Bill James, another who dreams
in
> | vb script, will know the solution.
> |
> | Doug's Windows Tweaks and Tips
> | http://www.dougknox.com
> | --
> | Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> | Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
> | In Memorium: Alex Nichol
> | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
> | Your cooperation is very appreciated.
>
> Thanx Jack for your suggestions.
>
> I have consulted with one of the *best* scripters, Torgeir Bakken.
> I have also received the WMI/COM information from Jim Vierra in the Server
Scripting NG.
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 1:56:26 PM

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From: "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net>

| Well, you are very far ahead of me, indeed. When/if you learn the answer, I
| would be very happy to hear it.
| --
| Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
| Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
| In Memorium: Alex Nichol
| http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
| Your cooperation is very appreciated.
| ------

I was at Doug Knox's web site and submitted a form based email to him.

When/If I have an answer, I will definitely update this thread.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 4:10:18 PM

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David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "Rick T" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
>
> | David H. Lipman wrote:
>
>>>From: "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com>
>>>
> |>> What are you actually trying to do? - one part of your post leads me to
> |>> think that you're trying to force a programmatic reboot into Safe Mode, and
> |>> the other seems to ask how you know when you're there!
> |>>
> |>> Please restate your question.
> |>>
> |>> --
> |>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
>>>Actually Noel, both. ;-)
>>>
>
> | Don't ask for much, do ya...
> |
> | to force a "programmatic" reboot into SafeMode you have to change the
> | Registry key controlled by MSConfig.exe's "next boot in Safe Mode" switch.
> |
> | You can use the same key to test if you're in Safe Mode (unless it's a
> | "do once"; if it is, put an itty bitty .reg file to change it to some
> | arbitray setting in your Normal Startup)... or you could check the
> | "current video mode".
> |
> | Rick
>
> OK, what are the Registry keys ?
>

Hey, I'm not doing *all* your homework for you

<g>

(I'm running Win2K at the moment, no way of checking right here, *but*
I'd use a registry and/or file monitor to check what gets changed when I
flick the "run in Safe Mode on next boot" in MSConfig... *that's* the
switch to play with to force Safe Mode)


Rick
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 4:24:01 PM

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From: "Rick T" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com>


| Hey, I'm not doing *all* your homework for you
|
| <g>
|
| (I'm running Win2K at the moment, no way of checking right here, *but*
| I'd use a registry and/or file monitor to check what gets changed when I
| flick the "run in Safe Mode on next boot" in MSConfig... *that's* the
| switch to play with to force Safe Mode)
|
| Rick

Believe me, I am researching it ! ;-)

I have the book...
The Windows 98 Registry: A Survival Guide for Users, John Woram, 1999, MIS Press

Nothing !

--
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http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 4:38:47 PM

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Sorry David - it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek <g> - but not being fluent
in 'script', I can't offer a further solution. However, as has been implied
elsewhere, there must be some flag or other, which you could latch onto, to
determine a Safe vs.Normal Mode state.

Mart


"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
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> From: "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam>
>
> | But doesn't the display tell you that you are in Safe Mode (Each corner
> of
> | the screen)?
> |
> | Seems a lot of trouble to confirm the obvious <g>
> |
> | Mart
>
> From a human screen reading POV, its obvious. But not from a script
> running under the OS.
>
> That is what I need to know. It had been suggested...
>
> On Error Resume Next
> arrComputers = Array("COMP1","COMP2")
> For Each strComputer In arrComputers
> WScript.Echo "Computer: " & strComputer
> Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> "\root\CIMV2")
> Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> Win32_ComputerSystem", "WQL",&h30)
> For Each objItem In colItems
> WScript.Echo "BootupState: " & objItem.BootupState
> Next
> Next
>
>
> However, Win9x/ME doesn't support Win32_ComputerSystem and there is no
> guarantee in Win98
> that WMI is installed. Note that the above language is not being used. I
> am using Kixtart
> interpreter but the above COM object can be implemented in Kixtart.
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 9:43:56 PM

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Where's the Run in Safe Mode in MSConfig in Win Me or 98SE? NT based
systems have such an option on the Boot.ini tab but I'm not aware that 9x
systems have such an option but could well be mistaken although I think it
can be forced using msdos.sys. Are you perhaps thinking of the option to
display the Start Menu at bootup from which one can select to start in
Safe Mode?
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mike.maltby@gmail.com


Rick T <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey, I'm not doing *all* your homework for you
>
> <g>
>
> (I'm running Win2K at the moment, no way of checking right here, *but*
> I'd use a registry and/or file monitor to check what gets changed
> when I flick the "run in Safe Mode on next boot" in MSConfig...
> *that's* the switch to play with to force Safe Mode)
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 9:43:57 PM

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Mike M wrote:
> Where's the Run in Safe Mode in MSConfig in Win Me or 98SE? NT based
> systems have such an option on the Boot.ini tab but I'm not aware that
> 9x systems have such an option but could well be mistaken although I
> think it can be forced using msdos.sys. Are you perhaps thinking of the
> option to display the Start Menu at bootup from which one can select to
> start in Safe Mode?

Hmm... using Win2K's warped my mind (or my memory anways) a bit,
apparently; I think that's what I was referring to.

As you say, though, there does appear to be an MSDOS.SYS entry in [options]:

BootFailSafe=1


Rick
Anonymous
May 10, 2005 11:04:53 PM

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From: "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net>

To all, thanx for your assistance. While I have NOT reached the point of forcing a boot
into Safe Mode, I have resolved determining the boot state under Win9x/ME.

The following Kixtart script works.

Dim $objWMIService
$objWMIService=GetObject("winmgmts:\\.\root\CIMV2").ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
Win32_ComputerSystem", "WQL",48)

For Each $obj In $objWMIService
? "BootupState: " +$obj.BootupState
Next

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
Anonymous
May 11, 2005 12:37:08 AM

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Since that book came out before even the Beta of ME, I suspect that you may
be SOL for what you're looking for!
:( 

--
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Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
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"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
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> From: "Rick T" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
>
>
> | Hey, I'm not doing *all* your homework for you
> |
> | <g>
> |
> | (I'm running Win2K at the moment, no way of checking right here, *but*
> | I'd use a registry and/or file monitor to check what gets changed when I
> | flick the "run in Safe Mode on next boot" in MSConfig... *that's* the
> | switch to play with to force Safe Mode)
> |
> | Rick
>
> Believe me, I am researching it ! ;-)
>
> I have the book...
> The Windows 98 Registry: A Survival Guide for Users, John Woram, 1999,
> MIS Press
>
> Nothing !
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>
Anonymous
May 11, 2005 2:07:57 PM

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I have a note from Doug Knox reporting his contact with you and your
progress toward a possible, partial solution.
I'll await your further report.

The very best part of this thread, IMHO, is your meeting Doug, who is one of
my favorite people, despite being so very sharp!
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
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"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
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> From: "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net>
>
> | Well, you are very far ahead of me, indeed. When/if you learn the
answer, I
> | would be very happy to hear it.
> | --
> | Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> | Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
> | In Memorium: Alex Nichol
> | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
> | Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> | ------
>
> I was at Doug Knox's web site and submitted a form based email to him.
>
> When/If I have an answer, I will definitely update this thread.
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>
Anonymous
May 11, 2005 2:14:37 PM

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Contents of the Windows Msdos.sys File
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;118579

The [Options] section can contain the following settings. You must manually
insert these settings if you want to use them:
BootSafe=Boolean
Default: 0
Purpose: A setting of 1 forces your computer to boot in Safe mode.
---

The WinME msconfig utility has only the option to enable the Startup Menu at
boot, i.e., no provision to boot to Safe Mode directly.

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
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Your cooperation is very appreciated.
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"Rick T" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mike M wrote:
> > Where's the Run in Safe Mode in MSConfig in Win Me or 98SE? NT based
> > systems have such an option on the Boot.ini tab but I'm not aware that
> > 9x systems have such an option but could well be mistaken although I
> > think it can be forced using msdos.sys. Are you perhaps thinking of the
> > option to display the Start Menu at bootup from which one can select to
> > start in Safe Mode?
>
> Hmm... using Win2K's warped my mind (or my memory anways) a bit,
> apparently; I think that's what I was referring to.
>
> As you say, though, there does appear to be an MSDOS.SYS entry in
[options]:
>
> BootFailSafe=1
>
>
> Rick
Anonymous
May 11, 2005 2:19:36 PM

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Kudos, David.

May I suggest that if you have no other place to publically archive the
result, speak to Noel about doing so at his WinME site.
Ditto to Jim Eshelman.

(What did I say about Doug Knox? .. <bg>)

And see the other post here about the option to edit msdos.sys to force a
boot to Safe Mode at restart:
BootSafe=Boolean
Default: 0
Purpose: A setting of 1 forces your computer to boot in Safe mode.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
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"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
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> From: "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net>
>
> To all, thanx for your assistance. While I have NOT reached the point of
forcing a boot
> into Safe Mode, I have resolved determining the boot state under Win9x/ME.
>
> The following Kixtart script works.
>
> Dim $objWMIService
> $objWMIService=GetObject("winmgmts:\\.\root\CIMV2").ExecQuery("SELECT *
FROM
> Win32_ComputerSystem", "WQL",48)
>
> For Each $obj In $objWMIService
> ? "BootupState: " +$obj.BootupState
> Next
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>
Anonymous
May 11, 2005 2:44:42 PM

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Jack E Martinelli wrote:
> Contents of the Windows Msdos.sys File
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;118579
>
> The [Options] section can contain the following settings. You must manually
> insert these settings if you want to use them:
> BootSafe=Boolean
> Default: 0
> Purpose: A setting of 1 forces your computer to boot in Safe mode.
> ---
>
> The WinME msconfig utility has only the option to enable the Startup Menu at
> boot, i.e., no provision to boot to Safe Mode directly.
>

thanks, Jack, I realized my error concerning msconfig from your last
post (though it probably didn't look like it)

Rick
Anonymous
May 11, 2005 2:52:55 PM

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From: "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net>

| Kudos, David.
|
| May I suggest that if you have no other place to publically archive the
| result, speak to Noel about doing so at his WinME site.
| Ditto to Jim Eshelman.
|
| (What did I say about Doug Knox? .. <bg>)
|
| And see the other post here about the option to edit msdos.sys to force a
| boot to Safe Mode at restart:
| BootSafe=Boolean
| Default: 0
| Purpose: A setting of 1 forces your computer to boot in Safe mode.
| --
| Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS

Duly noted Jack -- Thank You !

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
Anonymous
May 11, 2005 3:13:01 PM

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Rick, I hardly viewed your post as an error, requiring correction, but a
useful pointer to the correct answer, which I was prepared to research
further, as I keep a printed copy of KB118579 by my monitor since I use it
so much.
All kudos belong to you here!
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexper...
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
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"Rick T" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jack E Martinelli wrote:
> > Contents of the Windows Msdos.sys File
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;118579
> >
> > The [Options] section can contain the following settings. You must
manually
> > insert these settings if you want to use them:
> > BootSafe=Boolean
> > Default: 0
> > Purpose: A setting of 1 forces your computer to boot in Safe mode.
> > ---
> >
> > The WinME msconfig utility has only the option to enable the Startup
Menu at
> > boot, i.e., no provision to boot to Safe Mode directly.
> >
>
> thanks, Jack, I realized my error concerning msconfig from your last
> post (though it probably didn't look like it)
>
> Rick
!