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May 24, 2005 4:22:29 PM

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On cable......dropped dialup 2 years ago. And I have now *lost the plot* as
they say.....have to talk to you later coz we are heading out shopping.

Cheers....Heather

PS....My ISP refused to send this due to *ill-formed something or other in
the headers*......so starting new thread.

"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> IIRC, you're still on dialup, Figgs? - if so, then you probably don't need
> UPnP.
>
> If you're on DSL, then the modem/router/hub/switch possibly wouldn't work
> without UPnP :) 
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
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>
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "Heather" <figgs@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:eNkxEp%23XFHA.3464@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Noel......does this mean I should have it enabled? Speaking of #1 only.
> >
> > All my appliances are ancient and I have to remember to write down "Get
> > More
> > Beer" the old-fashioned way.....LOL!!
> >
> > Anyway.....I have the old USB I think.....the 1.5 one. Just thought I
> > would
> > ask.
> >
> > XX Figgs

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Anonymous
May 24, 2005 10:06:42 PM

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> PS....My ISP refused to send this due to *ill-formed something or
> other in the headers*......so starting new thread.

Not an ISP problem but due to there being more than 1000 characters in the
Reference header which OE then wrapped and broke. The reason being not
the number of posts in the thread but the depth of the thread.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mike.maltby@gmail.com


Heather <figgs@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On cable......dropped dialup 2 years ago. And I have now *lost the
> plot* as they say.....have to talk to you later coz we are heading
> out shopping.
>
> Cheers....Heather
>
> PS....My ISP refused to send this due to *ill-formed something or
> other in the headers*......so starting new thread.
Anonymous
May 24, 2005 10:06:43 PM

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Mike M wrote:
> Rick,
>
> OE does in fact say that the reference field is broken or rather that
> the message id is ill-formed. The user's ISP doesn't come into the
> equation but rather the nntp host (news server) which rightly rejects
> the message.
> The OE error message is as follows:
> Outlook Express could not post your message. Subject 'Re: Free
> Firewall?', Account: 'MS News (Win Me)', Server: 'msnews.microsoft.com',
> Protocol: NNTP, Server Response: '441 (629) Article Rejected --
> Ill-formed message id '<u5#kme9XFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gb' in field
> 'References:'', Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 441, Error
> Number: 0x800CCCA9
>
> I'm not sure how other news clients treat the problem of a reference
> field >1,000 characters but I know it is covered by an RFC but I can't
> put my hand to it at the moment.

I'll go looking for it... TBird (which I use) had (extreme) lag problems
with a > 3k thread; I almost switched back to OE because of it
(apparently that wouldn'ta done me any good).

I'm not having any problems with the thread we were in.

(um... "no server error"? isn't that what Harry's got somewhere 'round
here?)



The "References Field" header contains the unique message-id's of it's
precursors to better enable newsreaders to construct a thread even if
some of the posts are missing.


RFC 1036 contains no length information on References Field.

RFC 977 contains a commandline limit of 512 bytes (but I don't know
enough about NNTP to say "aha"; I don't think it has anything to do with
the current problem)

source code for some random newsreader uses 1024 as max length for all
fields (I didn't look to see how it handles overflow).

Another random newsreader suggests 21 as the maximum number of references.

All this leads me to believe that the common/preferred method of
handling too many references is to parse them... *not* to send garbage
to the newsserver.



Rick
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May 25, 2005 2:29:26 AM

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Thanks.....glad to know it wasn't just my ISP/news agent......odd, there
have been way longer threads than this, so I don't understand it. But no
matter.....it has never happened before in some 9 years, so not about to
worry.

Mike.....will write you later re printer. Been out all day shopping.....not
used to that, grin. And chasing down hotels for our trip that starts a lot
sooner than I realized!! (June 7th) Elayne leaves for Glasgow June 5th.
Just call us the *Travelling Figberries*. (G)

Cheers....Heather


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
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> > PS....My ISP refused to send this due to *ill-formed something or
> > other in the headers*......so starting new thread.
>
> Not an ISP problem but due to there being more than 1000 characters in the
> Reference header which OE then wrapped and broke. The reason being not
> the number of posts in the thread but the depth of the thread.
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> Heather <figgs@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On cable......dropped dialup 2 years ago. And I have now *lost the
> > plot* as they say.....have to talk to you later coz we are heading
> > out shopping.
> >
> > Cheers....Heather
> >
> > PS....My ISP refused to send this due to *ill-formed something or
> > other in the headers*......so starting new thread.
>
Anonymous
May 25, 2005 2:46:00 AM

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"Rick T" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mike M wrote:
> > Rick,
> >
> > OE does in fact say that the reference field is broken or rather that
> > the message id is ill-formed. The user's ISP doesn't come into the
> > equation but rather the nntp host (news server) which rightly rejects
> > the message.
> > The OE error message is as follows:
> > Outlook Express could not post your message. Subject 'Re: Free
> > Firewall?', Account: 'MS News (Win Me)', Server: 'msnews.microsoft.com',
> > Protocol: NNTP, Server Response: '441 (629) Article Rejected --
> > Ill-formed message id '<u5#kme9XFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gb' in field
> > 'References:'', Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 441, Error
> > Number: 0x800CCCA9
> >
> > I'm not sure how other news clients treat the problem of a reference
> > field >1,000 characters but I know it is covered by an RFC but I can't
> > put my hand to it at the moment.
>
> I'll go looking for it... TBird (which I use) had (extreme) lag problems
> with a > 3k thread; I almost switched back to OE because of it
> (apparently that wouldn'ta done me any good).
>
> I'm not having any problems with the thread we were in.
>
> (um... "no server error"? isn't that what Harry's got somewhere 'round
> here?)
>
> >>That's what I thought exactly, when I red these threads, Rick, only my
port # was 119 and the error # 0x800CCC0F. I created a new identity, as was
recommended to me.
Hope this will clear things up.

Harry.
>
>
> The "References Field" header contains the unique message-id's of it's
> precursors to better enable newsreaders to construct a thread even if
> some of the posts are missing.
>
>
> RFC 1036 contains no length information on References Field.
>
> RFC 977 contains a commandline limit of 512 bytes (but I don't know
> enough about NNTP to say "aha"; I don't think it has anything to do with
> the current problem)
>
> source code for some random newsreader uses 1024 as max length for all
> fields (I didn't look to see how it handles overflow).
>
> Another random newsreader suggests 21 as the maximum number of references.
>
> All this leads me to believe that the common/preferred method of
> handling too many references is to parse them... *not* to send garbage
> to the newsserver.
>
>
>
> Rick
Anonymous
May 25, 2005 3:22:55 AM

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Rick,

I think the problem could be not just that OE incorrectly wraps the
reference field at c1,000 characters and in so doing breaks the last
reference but also that it's possible, but I admit unlikely, that the RFC
doesn't specifically specify what should be done. Personally it would
help if OE simply truncated the field at the last complete reference which
whilst leading to some odd message threading would at least prevent the
error that we see in long threads such as 'Free Firewall?' in this NG.
--
Mike M


Rick T <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

> I'll go looking for it... TBird (which I use) had (extreme) lag
> problems with a > 3k thread; I almost switched back to OE because of
> it (apparently that wouldn'ta done me any good).
>
> I'm not having any problems with the thread we were in.
>
> (um... "no server error"? isn't that what Harry's got somewhere 'round
> here?)
>
>
>
> The "References Field" header contains the unique message-id's of it's
> precursors to better enable newsreaders to construct a thread even if
> some of the posts are missing.
>
>
> RFC 1036 contains no length information on References Field.
>
> RFC 977 contains a commandline limit of 512 bytes (but I don't know
> enough about NNTP to say "aha"; I don't think it has anything to do
> with the current problem)
>
> source code for some random newsreader uses 1024 as max length for all
> fields (I didn't look to see how it handles overflow).
>
> Another random newsreader suggests 21 as the maximum number of
> references.
> All this leads me to believe that the common/preferred method of
> handling too many references is to parse them... *not* to send garbage
> to the newsserver.
>
>
>
> Rick
Anonymous
May 25, 2005 9:11:39 AM

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Mike M wrote:
> Rick,
>
> I think the problem could be not just that OE incorrectly wraps the
> reference field at c1,000 characters and in so doing breaks the last
> reference but also that it's possible, but I admit unlikely, that the
> RFC doesn't specifically specify what should be done. Personally it
> would help if OE simply truncated the field at the last complete
> reference which whilst leading to some odd message threading would at
> least prevent the error that we see in long threads such as 'Free
> Firewall?' in this NG.

TBird includes an RFC822 field, In-Reply-To, which contains the
Message-ID of the immediate parent of the post (which is of course also
the last message-id in the References field).

RFC822 (the original Usenet RFC which 1036 adds to) also does not give a
maximum field length but does give instructions on how to handle large
fields.

RFC 1036(2.2.5):

It is permissible to not include the entire previous "References"
line if it is too long. An attempt should be made to include a
reasonable number of backwards references.


Rick
Anonymous
May 25, 2005 2:46:26 PM

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Heather,

It's not the length but the breath. :-) In other words how deep the
threads go rather than the number of posts.

I still haven't set up the R200 on my Win Me box but will try to do so
later (haven't been much better than 70% recently - still got the remains
of that flu from February!)
--
Mike


Heather <figgs@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Thanks.....glad to know it wasn't just my ISP/news agent......odd,
> there have been way longer threads than this, so I don't understand
> it. But no matter.....it has never happened before in some 9 years,
> so not about to worry.
>
> Mike.....will write you later re printer. Been out all day
> shopping.....not used to that, grin. And chasing down hotels for our
> trip that starts a lot sooner than I realized!! (June 7th) Elayne
> leaves for Glasgow June 5th. Just call us the *Travelling
> Figberries*. (G)
Anonymous
May 25, 2005 2:47:34 PM

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Thanks Rick,

> RFC 1036(2.2.5):
>
> It is permissible to not include the entire previous "References"
> line if it is too long. An attempt should be made to include a
> reasonable number of backwards references.

That would probably be my approach too if I was writing the code. Keep
the reference field to a single line and truncate/remove the references
starting from the oldest (left most).

This is one of a long list of well documented and long standing errors in
Outlook Express which will probably never be fixed or if fixed in whatever
is included in Longhorn may never see the light of day in legacy systems
such as anything in use today.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mike.maltby@gmail.com


Rick T <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

> TBird includes an RFC822 field, In-Reply-To, which contains the
> Message-ID of the immediate parent of the post (which is of course
> also the last message-id in the References field).
>
> RFC822 (the original Usenet RFC which 1036 adds to) also does not
> give a maximum field length but does give instructions on how to
> handle large fields.
>
> RFC 1036(2.2.5):
>
> It is permissible to not include the entire previous "References"
> line if it is too long. An attempt should be made to include a
> reasonable number of backwards references.
>
>
> Rick
May 25, 2005 6:19:08 PM

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Hi Mike......

Or is it the 'breadth'?? Never mind, lol. I wouldn't understand it
anyway!!

As for the R200, it still gives me that spooling error from time to time and
when it does, there is no icon in the tray to check stuff and there are two
identical listings for the printer in the Task Manager.

Busy getting ready for our holiday, but will keep an eye out.....don't worry
about it and get back to 100% fast......those are "orders"!! (G)

Elayne has now got time to get ready for the UK......school is out and she
can relax. She runs the print shop for all of their reports and stuff.
Binding, plotting, copying, etc. Bob is picking her up at the Glasgow
airport and she leaves from Manchester.....side trip to Chester planned to
meet that guy with the good legs and blonde hair.....LOL!!

Best.....Heather
"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
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> Heather,
>
> It's not the length but the breath. :-) In other words how deep the
> threads go rather than the number of posts.
>
> I still haven't set up the R200 on my Win Me box but will try to do so
> later (haven't been much better than 70% recently - still got the remains
> of that flu from February!)
> --
> Mike
>
>
> Heather <figgs@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Thanks.....glad to know it wasn't just my ISP/news agent......odd,
> > there have been way longer threads than this, so I don't understand
> > it. But no matter.....it has never happened before in some 9 years,
> > so not about to worry.
> >
> > Mike.....will write you later re printer. Been out all day
> > shopping.....not used to that, grin. And chasing down hotels for our
> > trip that starts a lot sooner than I realized!! (June 7th) Elayne
> > leaves for Glasgow June 5th. Just call us the *Travelling
> > Figberries*. (G)
>
Anonymous
May 25, 2005 11:41:47 PM

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Breadth of course, breath is what I'm short of permanently.

Still haven't managed to get round to installing the R200 on my Win Me box
and won't now until at least tomorrow as Bec is here and using that box as
well as another running XP and switching between the two at will.
Shouldn't take me long once I get round to it - I've just got to dig out
the printer as I don't have it setup/connected permanently just getting it
out and connecting it to an XP box when I want to print some CDs.

I hope Elayne enjoys her trip, not sure though about the side trip to
north Wales. <g>
--
Mike


Heather <figgs@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Hi Mike......
>
> Or is it the 'breadth'?? Never mind, lol. I wouldn't understand it
> anyway!!
>
> As for the R200, it still gives me that spooling error from time to
> time and when it does, there is no icon in the tray to check stuff
> and there are two identical listings for the printer in the Task
> Manager.
>
> Busy getting ready for our holiday, but will keep an eye
> out.....don't worry about it and get back to 100% fast......those are
> "orders"!! (G)
>
> Elayne has now got time to get ready for the UK......school is out
> and she can relax. She runs the print shop for all of their reports
> and stuff. Binding, plotting, copying, etc. Bob is picking her up at
> the Glasgow airport and she leaves from Manchester.....side trip to
> Chester planned to meet that guy with the good legs and blonde
> hair.....LOL!!
Anonymous
May 26, 2005 12:10:48 AM

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<lol> Wonder if she takes after her Mother <vbg>
Joan

Mike M wrote:
>
> I hope Elayne enjoys her trip, not sure though about the side trip to
> north Wales. <g>
>
Anonymous
May 26, 2005 12:11:50 AM

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<lol> I hope you've warned him <g>
Joan


Heather wrote:
.....side trip to
> Chester planned to meet that guy with the good legs and blonde
> hair.....LOL!!
>
> Best.....Heather
May 26, 2005 12:11:51 AM

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Actually, I have warned "her"......to watch out for Wild Welshmen of
Scottish extraction. (G)

Actually, they do have something in common.....changing their hair colour,
perhaps. (snicker) But she paints and he is a paint chemist.....that's a
stretch, but it will have to do!

Heather 8-))

"Joan Archer" <archer_joan@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> <lol> I hope you've warned him <g>
> Joan
>
>
> Heather wrote:
> ....side trip to
> > Chester planned to meet that guy with the good legs and blonde
> > hair.....LOL!!
> >
> > Best.....Heather
>
>
Anonymous
May 26, 2005 12:40:28 AM

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Consider me warned - and taking suitable precautions..... (air-raid shelter
sorted, flak-jacket arranged, French/Spanish/English dictionary organised,
etc.......)
Now all I need is 'The Phantom Menace'<g>


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Joan Archer" <archer_joan@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> <lol> I hope you've warned him <g>
> Joan
>
>
> Heather wrote:
> ....side trip to
>> Chester planned to meet that guy with the good legs and blonde
>> hair.....LOL!!
>>
>> Best.....Heather
>
>
Anonymous
May 26, 2005 1:17:57 AM

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Stretch? Moi??
Hey - I can paint with the best of them... there's Fred, and George (and
Lynda - but we don't talk about her....), not to mention Aloysius and Gareth
(nice boys, both of them<g>)......

Ummm - maybe I should quit while the getting's good?
<g>

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Heather" <figgs@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Actually, I have warned "her"......to watch out for Wild Welshmen of
> Scottish extraction. (G)
>
> Actually, they do have something in common.....changing their hair colour,
> perhaps. (snicker) But she paints and he is a paint chemist.....that's a
> stretch, but it will have to do!
>
> Heather 8-))
>
> "Joan Archer" <archer_joan@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:o RjQb2VYFHA.3320@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> <lol> I hope you've warned him <g>
>> Joan
>>
>>
>> Heather wrote:
>> ....side trip to
>> > Chester planned to meet that guy with the good legs and blonde
>> > hair.....LOL!!
>> >
>> > Best.....Heather
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
May 26, 2005 1:29:07 AM

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ROFL
Joan


Noel Paton wrote:
> Consider me warned - and taking suitable precautions..... (air-raid
> shelter sorted, flak-jacket arranged, French/Spanish/English
> dictionary organised, etc.......)
> Now all I need is 'The Phantom Menace'<g>
>
>
May 26, 2005 4:42:27 AM

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Think you better do that (quit, etc.)....lol. Been busy with a friend over
for dinner and had too much white wine......screen looks blurry!!

Lordy....the time is going by fast.....not long before the Mouse departs for
Glasgow. And 2 days later, we are off. Tomorrow I will book the rest of it
and also a fab restaurant called *Chez Piggy* for our *%^&
anniversary.....it was owned by one of the Lovin' Spoonful guys......rather
elite, to say the least.

It's so nice to have a babysitter for my young 'un over there......(G)

Night.......Figgs

"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> Stretch? Moi??
> Hey - I can paint with the best of them... there's Fred, and George (and
> Lynda - but we don't talk about her....), not to mention Aloysius and
Gareth
> (nice boys, both of them<g>)......
>
> Ummm - maybe I should quit while the getting's good?
> <g>
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "Heather" <figgs@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:uu8aBCWYFHA.3164@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Actually, I have warned "her"......to watch out for Wild Welshmen of
> > Scottish extraction. (G)
> >
> > Actually, they do have something in common.....changing their hair
colour,
> > perhaps. (snicker) But she paints and he is a paint chemist.....that's
a
> > stretch, but it will have to do!
> >
> > Heather 8-))
> >
> > "Joan Archer" <archer_joan@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> > news:o RjQb2VYFHA.3320@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> <lol> I hope you've warned him <g>
> >> Joan
> >>
> >>
> >> Heather wrote:
> >> ....side trip to
> >> > Chester planned to meet that guy with the good legs and blonde
> >> > hair.....LOL!!
> >> >
> >> > Best.....Heather
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
!