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August 4, 2012 10:09:16 AM

I give it one week !
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August 4, 2012 10:26:01 AM

30 days is more than enough to try and uninstall,no need for cracks :-)
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August 4, 2012 10:31:54 AM

Who will bother to pirate it?
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August 4, 2012 10:37:59 AM

They do all they could to make people NOT buy their product.
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August 4, 2012 10:55:01 AM

I thought that PC's didn't use the same key before..
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August 4, 2012 10:58:10 AM

I Imagine that KMS/Rearm exploits (which are almost impossible to block) will be the first methods released, followed by hacked .dll files associated with Genuine verification a it later. My guess is a "working" pirated Win8 will be available by the end of this month.
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August 4, 2012 11:06:50 AM

Should be short period of time to get the activation method. Wait and see for the miracle from the mighty hackers.
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August 4, 2012 11:24:59 AM

There are weird people out there...even those that would want to pirate Windows 8. Really? Really?
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August 4, 2012 11:28:06 AM

DarkenMoon97I thought that PC's didn't use the same key before..

Before they had a much simpler approach of selling a single key to the OEM. The OEM would then purchase COAs from MS that they would affix to the case of the computer, and would be used to register and track changes over time and piracy.
This new system sounds like they will get a box of generic stickers instead of COAs, and instead of having a separate licence, activation key, and COA number, there will simply be a single # that is digitally purchased and assigned to the box which will then track the box throughout the life-cycle of the machine. This is perfectly fine for OEMs, and should actually make their jobs a little simpler on the logistics side of inventory and orders, while making the setup side a little harder. For MS this means that it will be much easier to track individual boxes, and their hardware changes over time, and if they get cash hungry then they can crack down on reactivation after upgrades and such (something that up until now they have been fairly generous with).

I really wonder how this will work for refurbishers like the company I work for. We take old computers, and MS gives us an extremely generous discount so that we can put a fresh legal copy of Windows on the machine that is tied to us (instead of the OEM such as Dell, HP, etc.). For some machines we are just putting XP back on them, while other higher-end XP and Vista boxes are getting Win7 instead. I am sure that MS will still have some form of vehicle for us to be able to provide the service that we do, but when win8 boxes start coming our way, I wonder if we will be forced then to re-use the same OS, or if we will be able to 'downgrade' to win7.
Personally I like win8 a lot, but the user base that we work with are quite computer illiterate and have a very difficult time moving from XP to 7 (which is essentially the same thing when it comes to web browsing and program launching). Moving from XP to 8 would be... traumatic at best. But time will tell, and I suppose this is what we have training classes for...
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August 4, 2012 11:35:19 AM

The first few BIOS updates will overwrite the unique product key screwing over the consumer royally.

Then there will be malware/scareware that will overwrite the key and popup a screen saying you need to pay so much to restore.
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August 4, 2012 11:38:21 AM

Another reason to not get Windows 8.

The article only talks about OEM as on when someone buys a pre built system, but but says nothing about
the actual OEM copy of Windows 8. A huge problem about this method is that every time that a customer press the CLEAR BIOS button it will render the BIOS back to default.

Example: while overclocking .... oh didn't work, lets try again.... etc... so when the customer finally gets back to Windows 8, will he have to REGISTER again?

This method also apparently assumes that the customers will never upgrade their systems.

Not that I care about this OS at all, but this is just unnecessary.
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August 4, 2012 11:58:41 AM

Um... who said anything about BIOS? I mean, yes, it will be tied to BIOS (UEFI really) for the ARM devices, but the code is not kept inside of the UEFI itself. UEFI simply says 'this machine is for windows8' and then the win8 will have a code saying 'this machine requires UEFI to be a win8 device'.

For x86, it will be more of the traditional way of hardware hash, and product registration, much like it has been sense winXP. It is only OEMs that are affected.
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Anonymous
August 4, 2012 11:59:38 AM

I haven't figured out how yet, but I'm sure this somehow further screws us system administrators...

As if Windows 7's sysprep wasn't bad enough. It seems like every new version of Windows Microsoft continues to ignore their corporate IT people and give us more and more BS that we have to work through to get our stuff to work right. With every new activation scheme I start thinking more and more about moving our systems to Linux. Especially since many of our programs are slowly being converted to web based formats...
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August 4, 2012 12:07:06 PM

Well, it looks like meant to help OEMs streamline their Win8 process...
But doesn't appear that it will do anything against piracy, simply because there will be end user copies of Win8 being sold that will not adhere to the tight coupling to the Bios...

But they can dream right?
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August 4, 2012 12:10:08 PM

And the hit-miss cycle continues...

Windows 98SE - Miss
Windows 2000 - Hit
Windows ME - Miss
Windows XP - Hit
Windows Vista - BIG Miss
Windows 7 - BIG Hit

Oh and you can bet that Daz and all the other crackers won't stop till they get it. Windows is the crown jewel of the cracking world ofc.
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August 4, 2012 12:11:37 PM

Wouldn't it be easier and better in stead of using a key in the bios to just use the motherboards model and serial# to activate windows. Like the motherboards model and serial# is imbedded in that copy windows, that way windows is locked to that computer.
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August 4, 2012 12:14:12 PM

The much more important question is whether Microsoft will officially allow people to install OEM Windows 8 on homebuilt systems, something that isn't allowed with Windows 7. If so, that could speed the adoption of Windows 8 among enthusiast a LOT, if the huge price difference between OEM and retail versions remains.
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August 4, 2012 12:29:46 PM

Who downloads a pirated copy of windows. The risk is just too high. You are trusting a copy that is modified by someone you don't know. this means that the OS can be precompromised along with the crack, thus ensuring that some random person will have access to your bank account.

Provided a OS will have a long support cycle, spending $100 on an OS is no issue, and if microsoft plans to reduce the price of newer versions of windows, then tat is even less of a reason to make activation harder.

The worst possible infection is one that is active at some of the earliest states of the boot as they can then easily avoid detection and really ruin your day. You can get a cracked app but never a cracked OS
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August 4, 2012 12:35:35 PM

Please tell me reinstalling wouldn't be a pain in the ass, but I guess not...
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August 4, 2012 1:14:12 PM

shafe88Wouldn't it be easier and better in stead of using a key in the bios to just use the motherboards model and serial# to activate windows. Like the motherboards model and serial# is imbedded in that copy windows, that way windows is locked to that computer.


you can't be serious.
many users (myself) included upgrade our system from time to time, but occasionally this upgrade includes to switch / upgrade the motherboard and therefor every other component as well.

this means that I have to re install the OS and programs/games etc...
(this usually also means one cal to M$)

there are many LEGIT reasons to do this, and the customer should NEVER be penalize for it.
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August 4, 2012 1:17:27 PM

SakkuraThe much more important question is whether Microsoft will officially allow people to install OEM Windows 8 on homebuilt systems, something that isn't allowed with Windows 7. If so, that could speed the adoption of Windows 8 among enthusiast a LOT, if the huge price difference between OEM and retail versions remains.


Huh?
I always buy OEM, NEVER EVER buy the shiny box.
I have done this since Windows 95 days, not sure where you got the idea that Windows 7 OEM "can't be installed" on home built systems.

Ask anyone here on Tom's.
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August 4, 2012 1:33:43 PM

drwho1Huh?I always buy OEM, NEVER EVER buy the shiny box.I have done this since Windows 95 days, not sure where you got the idea that Windows 7 OEM "can't be installed" on home built systems.Ask anyone here on Tom's.

Microsoft's terms are pretty clear - you're not allowed to install an OEM version of Windows 7 on a computer you build for yourself or your family or friends. Only if you sell it. Yes, it's retarded, which is why I hope they'll change it back to the way it was before Win 7.


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Must be preinstalled on a PC and sold to another unrelated party.
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Must be preinstalled onto a new PC using the OPK. See details.
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August 4, 2012 1:37:42 PM

whatever, all i want is a system that works out of the box and that will allow me to reinstall using the recovery disks if required
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August 4, 2012 1:42:01 PM

Well, I find myself in a strange position now. I installed the RTM 2 days ago, and I must say, I adore the Aero-less look of the interface.

And the activation prompt is less nagging than before. It's just an almost transparent sign in the lower right corner of the screen. You may not even see it.

As for the activation, seeing as the trial isn't limited to 30 days, and it comes with 1000 rearms, I'm sure a crack/loader will be available 'till this version expires ^_^
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August 4, 2012 2:30:15 PM

the current activation method of a single universal key that works for a single activation per system serial number allows for a lower production cost per system as a single pool of data can handle an entire production line.

much of the serial info comes from the supplier of the motherboards. Most motherboards are not designed with the only purpose of installing a specific version of windows, and almost no prebuilt system has a completely custom motherboard, thus requiring a special windows 8 activation hash in the bios will add an additional step to the production process. which will increase the production cost.
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August 4, 2012 2:50:53 PM

I think I will only try win8 using youtube, which I did and I stop there.... lol.
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August 4, 2012 3:21:50 PM

CaedenVthey can crack down on reactivation after upgrades and such (something that up until now they have been fairly generous with)

There is nothing "generous" about this. Computers are meant to be upgradeable (or downgradeable.) Coordinating the work of and the communication between the various computing components is one of the primary jobs of an operating system. An operating system that can't handle changes to components isn't doing its job.
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Anonymous
August 4, 2012 3:55:14 PM

they should be happy if someone uses that POS .. even for free.
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August 4, 2012 4:14:56 PM

Does this mean you can't use a Dell win 8 disc to reload os on any win 8 dell?
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August 4, 2012 5:03:29 PM

Who would want to pirate Windows 8?
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August 4, 2012 5:08:56 PM

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Does this mean you can't use a Dell win 8 disc to reload os on any win 8 dell?


You should be able to. What it is saying is you will have a unique key per system embeded in the bios in an unwritable portion of the bios.

Currently how the slic works is there is a universal key so lets say you bought a t3500 before windows 7 was released with a vista downgrade to xp. Well slic 2.0 supported any install or xp/vista. Eventualy when windows 7 came out dell had to start includeding slic 2.1 in its bios to support windows 7.

So at this point to get a copy of preactivated windows 7 on your xp/vista liscensed machine was grab a dell windows 7 disk and load it on there.

The new method will stop people from doing that. It will also stop people from extracting a slic like dells and appending it to a consumer motherboard bios for use as well.

That being said this may or may not be a nightmare for oems depending on how you transition the embeded key from system to system or if you just give the user a new key already embeded in thier replacement motherboard.
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August 4, 2012 5:43:30 PM

What concerns me is as soon as you upgrade the component where the hash is derived from you will have to buy a new OS! I Don't think Windows 8 will be as big of a hit as 7, but M$ft will cram it down the OE manufacturers throat and make it unprofitable to offer Windows 7.
If your into touchscreen devices I can see the draw of windows 8 but it just feels like something for
preschool kids to learn and play on to me.
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August 4, 2012 5:44:42 PM

So what would happen if someone bought a pre-built system and later replaced the motherboard? They'd lose the code that was planted in their BIOS. Would Windows 8.0 then fail to activate? Would they be forced to purchase Windows 8 or would their pre-built system come with a unique CD/Product Key still?
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August 4, 2012 6:01:09 PM

for me 30 days are enough to reinstall windows
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August 4, 2012 7:00:20 PM

This could be a headache for those who build on their system i.e. replace motherboards. The code would change. This is just one more reason why I'm not rushing to update to Windows 8. My Windows 7 64bit will last a long time.
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August 4, 2012 9:20:34 PM

MS are offering Win 8 upgrades for $39 a license on line until January if what I read is correct. A good way to avoid OEM altogether really. MS are generally pretty flexible with the OEM licenses as long as they remain on one PC per license. It seems to me that this OEM move is to prevent hackers from taking advantage of the previous OEM system not to hinder the enthusiasts who rely on OEM.
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August 4, 2012 11:38:31 PM

SakkuraMicrosoft's terms are pretty clear - you're not allowed to install an OEM version of Windows 7 on a computer you build for yourself or your family or friends. Only if you sell it. Yes, it's retarded, which is why I hope they'll change it back to the way it was before Win 7.


Then why *MAJOR* PC shops in Greece (and I guess in other countries too) sell (with the silent blessing of Microsoft) OEM versions of Windows? This is hypocritic!
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August 5, 2012 12:02:22 AM

Movieman420And the hit-miss cycle continues...Windows 98SE - MissWindows 2000 - HitWindows ME - MissWindows XP - Hit Windows Vista - BIG MissWindows 7 - BIG HitOh and you can bet that Daz and all the other crackers won't stop till they get it. Windows is the crown jewel of the cracking world ofc.


Everyone misses out NT4.0 which was a huge mega hit around the turn of the century but then that messes up this list a bit. Nice to see revisionist history helping to make a slightly invalid point.
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August 5, 2012 12:04:14 AM

Plus Windows 98SE was a big hit because other than NT4.0 there wasn't anything else on offer other than mouldy old 95 and the not quite ready 98.

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August 5, 2012 1:44:29 AM

The tighter Microsoft squeezes us, the more we slip through their fingers.

Really, why do most of really need a Microsoft OS for? I haven't gone Linux yet... but check this out. Linux costs $0. Upgrades = $0. There is no OEM, Retail, Upgrade, Home, Basic, Pro whatever versions.

I'm migrating in a few years. In a few months, I remove Win8 from my test-notebook (used to warn people about Win8) and it'll be my Linux machine. Then, my main machines... and no more Microsoft.

One of my friends loves his WP7 phone. He tried out Win8 on my computer and after 15mins, he won't be putting Windows8 on any of his computers. I also told him about WP7 / WP8 issues... with the direction Microsoft is going, he's decided to not replace his WP7 phones with WP8 either.

Thank God I didn't get the Lumia 900. I would have been pissed.

Who is going to pirate Win8 anyway? MS is delusional! Its funny!
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August 5, 2012 4:04:40 AM

belardoThank God I didn't get the Lumia 900. I would have been pissed.

What part of WP8 would help a Lumia 900, that isn't included in WP 7.8? If your Android phone isn't one of the thrice-blessed Google-sanctified models, you might miss out on a major upgrade too. No big deal - either use a custom ROM or just shrug and get the newest flavor when you replace your phone. Not too much will be missed.

People tend to get a new smartphone every couple of years. I mean shoot, I don't typically upgrade my PC's OS until I replace the whole box. Just a service pack or two. One reason I never ended up with a WP7 device was Verizon's WP "selection" is a single mediocre device, while other networks get better devices. The whole no-multicore-WP8-for-single-core-devices hate cracks me up. The only other big feature is *potential/hypothetical* cross-platform apps with Win8 - but all the haters are avoiding Win8, so there's really little reason to miss WP8 vs 7.8.
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August 5, 2012 4:06:50 AM

cryioWell, I find myself in a strange position now. I installed the RTM 2 days ago, and I must say, I adore the Aero-less look of the interface. And the activation prompt is less nagging than before. It's just an almost transparent sign in the lower right corner of the screen. You may not even see it.As for the activation, seeing as the trial isn't limited to 30 days, and it comes with 1000 rearms, I'm sure a crack/loader will be available 'till this version expires ^_^

If you use it and like it, just buy it. It's cheap enough, especially the upgrades right now. Wait let me guess, you pirated Win7 too.
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August 5, 2012 4:16:29 AM

Sakkura you have no idea what you're rambling about. If you've been using retail versions instead of OEM/system builder versions you've been getting ripped off for years.

MS even lets you migrate to new installs by simply doing the call in and telling them that you aren't using it on multiple systems at once.
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August 5, 2012 4:35:03 AM

belardoThe tighter Microsoft squeezes us, the more we slip through their fingers.Really, why do most of really need a Microsoft OS for? I haven't gone Linux yet... but check this out. Linux costs $0. Upgrades = $0. There is no OEM, Retail, Upgrade, Home, Basic, Pro whatever versions.I'm migrating in a few years. In a few months, I remove Win8 from my test-notebook (used to warn people about Win8) and it'll be my Linux machine. Then, my main machines... and no more Microsoft.One of my friends loves his WP7 phone. He tried out Win8 on my computer and after 15mins, he won't be putting Windows8 on any of his computers. I also told him about WP7 / WP8 issues... with the direction Microsoft is going, he's decided to not replace his WP7 phones with WP8 either.Thank God I didn't get the Lumia 900. I would have been pissed.Who is going to pirate Win8 anyway? MS is delusional! Its funny!

really...if linux was so good how come it's not very popular, because it is not....microsoft is doing very well...and that goes for apple also
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August 5, 2012 4:37:09 AM

HellboundThis could be a headache for those who build on their system i.e. replace motherboards. The code would change. This is just one more reason why I'm not rushing to update to Windows 8. My Windows 7 64bit will last a long time.

not really...all you have to do is call Microsoft and they will give you a new key for free...i have done it a few times, this only works as long as you can prove to me you have the original disk and packaging...if you purchased the product, this should be very easy to do....no hassle at all
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August 5, 2012 5:11:00 AM

I'd like to see an actual Windows disc included with each machine, not some stupid recovery disc that includes a ton of bloatware. Oh, and make metro optional (or dump it altogether). Would that be too much to ask?
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August 5, 2012 5:44:26 AM

OEM licence forbids installing OS on ahoy machine other than the one it came with. Technically, you can install it on almost any machine that fit the req's using the key that came with it. Some OEM CDs (like HP) have BIOS check for vendor probably by using VB script and WMI:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop...(v=vs.85).aspx

I gave up on Windows long time ago, and for someone who has been in the game since VIC20/C64 days, it's Linux/OS X for me. I just could not take that by buying licence you get half baked OS, no DVD playback support, no PDF viewer, dumbed down fine settings, archaic registry method (since when centralized database that holds info on everything in OS was good idea?). Anything other than using IE and connecting to the network you have to download/pay for (more likely latter one).
Even my kids have no problem using Linux so I can say Windows is on it's way out, and Win8 will be the final death knell.
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August 5, 2012 7:34:29 AM

Wine HQ is about to get a run for its money.
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August 5, 2012 4:58:38 PM

livebriandI'd like to see an actual Windows disc included with each machine, not some stupid recovery disc that includes a ton of bloatware. Oh, and make metro optional (or dump it altogether). Would that be too much to ask?

you have the option to burn your recovery on one or two dvds...it's actually very easy to do....also when burning the recovery dvd, you have the option what programs to be included in the recovery....when i do this for customers i usually only burn the drivers and the OS....very, very easy to do
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