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Anonymous
July 8, 2005 2:03:29 AM

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Posted a while back about that I was no longer getting any automatic System
Restore points. No error messages, able to create manual restore points,
and as far as I could tell, all other functions of SR were normal. I
related this to about the same time frame that I downloaded and installed
Avast AntiVirus. Did some research and on one of Avast's message forums I
found that there was some past history relating Avast, ME and no automatic
SR points. No solutions, just "what's going on?" I contacted Avast Tech
support asking if there was any known interaction/conflicts between Avast,
ME and "no automatic restore points". Received the following answer:
"we suggest to completely turn off system restore in windows, as most of
the viruses uses it to reinfect the computer again and therefor they
are unremovable."
Some response, huh!
I then completely disabled Avast--System tray Icon and via msconfig.
rebooted and left the computer alone for a couple of hours. Opened System
Restore and guess what? Sitting there was a Restore Point. Will be getting
back to Avast Support and see if they have any comments.
MLD
Anonymous
July 8, 2005 2:03:30 AM

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MLD:

I am caught in exactly the same situation.
My restore points have to be created manually and at the end of the month
they get wiped automatically.
So far I was able to get by without trouble, because my system is apparently
clean. But I would like to see it working properly. Had no idea that Avast
could be the problem.
Will you be so kind and keep us informed about your progress with them?
If possible I'd prefer to keep Avast for the simple reason that it's easy to
handle and it is efficient also.
Thanks for the enlightenment.

Harry.


"MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:REhze.35197$Cm6.27038@trndny02...
> Posted a while back about that I was no longer getting any automatic
System
> Restore points. No error messages, able to create manual restore points,
> and as far as I could tell, all other functions of SR were normal. I
> related this to about the same time frame that I downloaded and installed
> Avast AntiVirus. Did some research and on one of Avast's message forums I
> found that there was some past history relating Avast, ME and no automatic
> SR points. No solutions, just "what's going on?" I contacted Avast Tech
> support asking if there was any known interaction/conflicts between Avast,
> ME and "no automatic restore points". Received the following answer:
> "we suggest to completely turn off system restore in windows, as most of
> the viruses uses it to reinfect the computer again and therefor they
> are unremovable."
> Some response, huh!
> I then completely disabled Avast--System tray Icon and via msconfig.
> rebooted and left the computer alone for a couple of hours. Opened System
> Restore and guess what? Sitting there was a Restore Point. Will be
getting
> back to Avast Support and see if they have any comments.
> MLD
>
>
Anonymous
July 8, 2005 3:25:15 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

MLD,

Thanks for the information and the useful information that you have
determined that using Avast appears to prevent the creation of automatic
system restore checkpoints.

As for Avast's response, it only goes to show that seeming professionals
know so little about how an operating system works or the purpose of
system restore. To date no viruses are known that "use" system restore as
a launch point and clearly the person concerned was thinking instead that
it is possible to re-infect a system by rolling back a system to a
checkpoint created whilst the system was infected. Totally ignoring the
alternative of rolling an infected or compromised system back to a
checkpoint created when the system was clean. The easiest way to demolish
Avast's argument is to disable/flush the restore archive just as soon as
the system is clean which then means that it is impossible to return to an
infected checkpoint. This however still permits the user to roll back a
compromised system to the state it was in before it was compromised.

Regards, and thanks again for the feedback,
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


MLD <MLD@verizon.net> wrote:

> Posted a while back about that I was no longer getting any automatic
> System Restore points. No error messages, able to create manual
> restore points, and as far as I could tell, all other functions of SR
> were normal. I related this to about the same time frame that I
> downloaded and installed Avast AntiVirus. Did some research and on
> one of Avast's message forums I found that there was some past
> history relating Avast, ME and no automatic SR points. No solutions,
> just "what's going on?" I contacted Avast Tech support asking if
> there was any known interaction/conflicts between Avast, ME and "no
> automatic restore points". Received the following answer: "we
> suggest to completely turn off system restore in windows, as most of
> the viruses uses it to reinfect the computer again and therefor they
> are unremovable."
> Some response, huh!
> I then completely disabled Avast--System tray Icon and via msconfig.
> rebooted and left the computer alone for a couple of hours. Opened
> System Restore and guess what? Sitting there was a Restore Point.
> Will be getting back to Avast Support and see if they have any
> comments.
> MLD
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Anonymous
July 8, 2005 5:15:57 AM

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Harry, there's every reason why you should try to confirm MLD's
observations. To just sit there and do nothing is not very helpful to the
WinMe community. Even if you think Avast is the best thing since sliced
bread, you could temporally switch to say, AVG, if only to prove the point.

You can soon reinstall Avast after you have tested the hypothesis.

Mart


"webster72n" <hbethke@copper.net> wrote in message
news:o CCDb00gFHA.3428@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> MLD:
>
> I am caught in exactly the same situation.
> My restore points have to be created manually and at the end of the month
> they get wiped automatically.
> So far I was able to get by without trouble, because my system is
> apparently
> clean. But I would like to see it working properly. Had no idea that Avast
> could be the problem.
> Will you be so kind and keep us informed about your progress with them?
> If possible I'd prefer to keep Avast for the simple reason that it's easy
> to
> handle and it is efficient also.
> Thanks for the enlightenment.
>
> Harry.
>
>
> "MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:REhze.35197$Cm6.27038@trndny02...
>> Posted a while back about that I was no longer getting any automatic
> System
>> Restore points. No error messages, able to create manual restore points,
>> and as far as I could tell, all other functions of SR were normal. I
>> related this to about the same time frame that I downloaded and installed
>> Avast AntiVirus. Did some research and on one of Avast's message forums
>> I
>> found that there was some past history relating Avast, ME and no
>> automatic
>> SR points. No solutions, just "what's going on?" I contacted Avast Tech
>> support asking if there was any known interaction/conflicts between
>> Avast,
>> ME and "no automatic restore points". Received the following answer:
>> "we suggest to completely turn off system restore in windows, as most
>> of
>> the viruses uses it to reinfect the computer again and therefor they
>> are unremovable."
>> Some response, huh!
>> I then completely disabled Avast--System tray Icon and via msconfig.
>> rebooted and left the computer alone for a couple of hours. Opened
>> System
>> Restore and guess what? Sitting there was a Restore Point. Will be
> getting
>> back to Avast Support and see if they have any comments.
>> MLD
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
July 8, 2005 5:15:58 AM

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Consider it confirmed, ..... Mart.

Harry.


"Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:o JXK3I1gFHA.2560@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Harry, there's every reason why you should try to confirm MLD's
> observations. To just sit there and do nothing is not very helpful to the
> WinMe community. Even if you think Avast is the best thing since sliced
> bread, you could temporally switch to say, AVG, if only to prove the
point.
>
> You can soon reinstall Avast after you have tested the hypothesis.
>
> Mart
>
>
> "webster72n" <hbethke@copper.net> wrote in message
> news:o CCDb00gFHA.3428@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >
> > MLD:
> >
> > I am caught in exactly the same situation.
> > My restore points have to be created manually and at the end of the
month
> > they get wiped automatically.
> > So far I was able to get by without trouble, because my system is
> > apparently
> > clean. But I would like to see it working properly. Had no idea that
Avast
> > could be the problem.
> > Will you be so kind and keep us informed about your progress with them?
> > If possible I'd prefer to keep Avast for the simple reason that it's
easy
> > to
> > handle and it is efficient also.
> > Thanks for the enlightenment.
> >
> > Harry.
> >
> >
> > "MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:REhze.35197$Cm6.27038@trndny02...
> >> Posted a while back about that I was no longer getting any automatic
> > System
> >> Restore points. No error messages, able to create manual restore
points,
> >> and as far as I could tell, all other functions of SR were normal. I
> >> related this to about the same time frame that I downloaded and
installed
> >> Avast AntiVirus. Did some research and on one of Avast's message
forums
> >> I
> >> found that there was some past history relating Avast, ME and no
> >> automatic
> >> SR points. No solutions, just "what's going on?" I contacted Avast
Tech
> >> support asking if there was any known interaction/conflicts between
> >> Avast,
> >> ME and "no automatic restore points". Received the following answer:
> >> "we suggest to completely turn off system restore in windows, as most
> >> of
> >> the viruses uses it to reinfect the computer again and therefor they
> >> are unremovable."
> >> Some response, huh!
> >> I then completely disabled Avast--System tray Icon and via msconfig.
> >> rebooted and left the computer alone for a couple of hours. Opened
> >> System
> >> Restore and guess what? Sitting there was a Restore Point. Will be
> > getting
> >> back to Avast Support and see if they have any comments.
> >> MLD
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
!