Excruciatingly slow (at times)

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to save a
file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along, ever so
slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when I
download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location, or
stuff.

It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my hard
disk, too.

My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program called
TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the office's
AR system where she works.

So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with spyware
programs and such.

Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the "Explorer"
function within the Operating System that is WinME.

I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched hard
drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it likely
wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing this one
function (or would it?).

Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half more so
than me, unfortunately.

As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your impatient,
anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and copyright
that, because by my typing it, I just did)

I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I didn't
recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle processes.
(But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)

TIA

Mr Curious
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More about excruciatingly slow times
  1. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    I suspect that you have driver problems......

    Reboot to Safe Mode
    Open Device Manager
    REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present

    Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.

    Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now make a
    note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red flags
    against them - and another set for any that have green flags.

    post back with your results.


    --
    Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

    Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

    http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

    Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

    "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
    > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to save
    > a
    > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along, ever
    > so
    > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when I
    > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location, or
    > stuff.
    >
    > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my hard
    > disk, too.
    >
    > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program called
    > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the office's
    > AR system where she works.
    >
    > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with spyware
    > programs and such.
    >
    > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
    > "Explorer"
    > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
    >
    > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched hard
    > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
    > likely
    > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing this
    > one
    > function (or would it?).
    >
    > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half more so
    > than me, unfortunately.
    >
    > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your impatient,
    > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
    > copyright
    > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
    >
    > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
    > didn't
    > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle processes.
    > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)
    >
    > TIA
    >
    > Mr Curious
    >
    >
  2. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in safe
    mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly, however
    only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on splash
    screen, so had to hit reset button.

    "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > I suspect that you have driver problems......
    >
    > Reboot to Safe Mode
    > Open Device Manager
    > REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    > REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
    >
    > Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.
    >
    > Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now make a
    > note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red
    flags
    > against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
    >
    > post back with your results.
    >
    >
    Under CDROM:
    ===============
    Duplicated:
    ATAPI CDROM

    Triplicated:
    Generic DVD RW 8XMax

    Quadruplicated:
    TEAC CD-W54E

    Under Disk drives:
    ================
    Duplicated:
    GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47

    GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK

    Quadruplicated:
    IOMEGA ZIP 100

    Duplicated:
    WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0

    Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    =================
    Duplicated:
    Primary IDE controller (single fifo)

    Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)

    Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller

    Under keyboard:
    ================
    Duplicated:
    Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard

    Under Monitor:
    ================
    Duplicated:
    Default Monitor

    Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    ================
    Duplicated:
    Gameport Joystick

    Under System devices:
    ================
    Quadruplicated:
    ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering

    Duplicated:
    Direct memory access controller

    Numerica data processor

    Programable interupt controller

    System CMOS/real time clock

    System speaker

    System timer

    Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    ===============
    Duplicated:

    USB Root Hub

    VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller

    ++++++++++++++++

    Not having any duplicates nor warnings:

    BTW (bluetooth controller)
    Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    Floppy Disk Controllers
    Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
    Ports
    SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)

    +++++++++++++++++

    Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!

    (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)


    > --
    > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >
    > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >
    > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >
    > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
    > > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to
    save
    > > a
    > > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along, ever
    > > so
    > > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when I
    > > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location, or
    > > stuff.
    > >
    > > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my
    hard
    > > disk, too.
    > >
    > > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program called
    > > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the
    office's
    > > AR system where she works.
    > >
    > > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with spyware
    > > programs and such.
    > >
    > > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
    > > "Explorer"
    > > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
    > >
    > > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched hard
    > > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
    > > likely
    > > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing this
    > > one
    > > function (or would it?).
    > >
    > > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half more
    so
    > > than me, unfortunately.
    > >
    > > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your impatient,
    > > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
    > > copyright
    > > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
    > >
    > > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
    > > didn't
    > > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
    processes.
    > > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)
    > >
    > > TIA
    > >
    > > Mr Curious
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
  3. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    Oh, boy!!
    That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS over
    itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that you've
    been having problems!!

    Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to Normal
    Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.

    CD-ROM remove all, then reboot

    Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    then reboot

    System
    - Remove ONLY the following:-
    System CMOS/real time clock
    System speaker
    System timer
    then reboot


    Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again, and check
    for duplicates again

    If there's none there, go to
    Start |Run
    type

    SCANREG /FIX

    and click OK
    Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system behaves
    then.


    HTH, and good luck


    --
    Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

    Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

    http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

    Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

    "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in safe
    > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
    > however
    > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on splash
    > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    >
    > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    >>
    >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    >> Open Device Manager
    >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
    >>
    >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.
    >>
    >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now make
    >> a
    >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red
    > flags
    >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
    >>
    >> post back with your results.
    >>
    >>
    > Under CDROM:
    > ===============
    > Duplicated:
    > ATAPI CDROM
    >
    > Triplicated:
    > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    >
    > Quadruplicated:
    > TEAC CD-W54E
    >
    > Under Disk drives:
    > ================
    > Duplicated:
    > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    >
    > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    >
    > Quadruplicated:
    > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    >
    > Duplicated:
    > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    >
    > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    > =================
    > Duplicated:
    > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >
    > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >
    > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >
    > Under keyboard:
    > ================
    > Duplicated:
    > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    >
    > Under Monitor:
    > ================
    > Duplicated:
    > Default Monitor
    >
    > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    > ================
    > Duplicated:
    > Gameport Joystick
    >
    > Under System devices:
    > ================
    > Quadruplicated:
    > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    >
    > Duplicated:
    > Direct memory access controller
    >
    > Numerica data processor
    >
    > Programable interupt controller
    >
    > System CMOS/real time clock
    >
    > System speaker
    >
    > System timer
    >
    > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    > ===============
    > Duplicated:
    >
    > USB Root Hub
    >
    > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    >
    > ++++++++++++++++
    >
    > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    >
    > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    > Floppy Disk Controllers
    > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
    > Ports
    > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    >
    > +++++++++++++++++
    >
    > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    >
    > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >
    >
    >> --
    >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >>
    >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >>
    >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >>
    >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >>
    >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
    >> > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to
    > save
    >> > a
    >> > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along,
    >> > ever
    >> > so
    >> > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when I
    >> > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location, or
    >> > stuff.
    >> >
    >> > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my
    > hard
    >> > disk, too.
    >> >
    >> > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program
    >> > called
    >> > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the
    > office's
    >> > AR system where she works.
    >> >
    >> > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with spyware
    >> > programs and such.
    >> >
    >> > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
    >> > "Explorer"
    >> > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
    >> >
    >> > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched hard
    >> > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
    >> > likely
    >> > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing this
    >> > one
    >> > function (or would it?).
    >> >
    >> > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half more
    > so
    >> > than me, unfortunately.
    >> >
    >> > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your impatient,
    >> > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
    >> > copyright
    >> > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
    >> >
    >> > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
    >> > didn't
    >> > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
    > processes.
    >> > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)
    >> >
    >> > TIA
    >> >
    >> > Mr Curious
    >> >
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
  4. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > Oh, boy!!
    > That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS over
    > itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that
    you've
    > been having problems!!

    Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?

    >
    > Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to Normal
    > Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
    >
    > CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    >
    > Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    > HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > then reboot
    >
    > System
    > - Remove ONLY the following:-
    > System CMOS/real time clock
    > System speaker
    > System timer
    > then reboot
    >
    >
    > Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again, and
    check
    > for duplicates again
    >
    > If there's none there, go to
    > Start |Run
    > type
    >
    > SCANREG /FIX
    >
    > and click OK
    > Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system behaves
    > then.

    Will post, either way.

    >
    >
    > HTH, and good luck
    >
    >
    > --
    > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >
    > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >

    Thanks Ted

    > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >
    > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >
    > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    > > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in safe
    > > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
    > > however
    > > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on splash
    > > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    > >
    > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    > >>
    > >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    > >> Open Device Manager
    > >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    > >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
    > >>
    > >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.
    > >>
    > >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now
    make
    > >> a
    > >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red
    > > flags
    > >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
    > >>
    > >> post back with your results.
    > >>
    > >>
    > > Under CDROM:
    > > ===============
    > > Duplicated:
    > > ATAPI CDROM
    > >
    > > Triplicated:
    > > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    > >
    > > Quadruplicated:
    > > TEAC CD-W54E
    > >
    > > Under Disk drives:
    > > ================
    > > Duplicated:
    > > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    > >
    > > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    > >
    > > Quadruplicated:
    > > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    > >
    > > Duplicated:
    > > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    > >
    > > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    > > =================
    > > Duplicated:
    > > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >
    > > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >
    > > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >
    > > Under keyboard:
    > > ================
    > > Duplicated:
    > > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    > >
    > > Under Monitor:
    > > ================
    > > Duplicated:
    > > Default Monitor
    > >
    > > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    > > ================
    > > Duplicated:
    > > Gameport Joystick
    > >
    > > Under System devices:
    > > ================
    > > Quadruplicated:
    > > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    > >
    > > Duplicated:
    > > Direct memory access controller
    > >
    > > Numerica data processor
    > >
    > > Programable interupt controller
    > >
    > > System CMOS/real time clock
    > >
    > > System speaker
    > >
    > > System timer
    > >
    > > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    > > ===============
    > > Duplicated:
    > >
    > > USB Root Hub
    > >
    > > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    > >
    > > ++++++++++++++++
    > >
    > > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    > >
    > > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    > > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    > > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    > > Floppy Disk Controllers
    > > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    > > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    > > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
    > > Ports
    > > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    > >
    > > +++++++++++++++++
    > >
    > > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    > >
    > > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >
    > >
    > >> --
    > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >>
    > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >>
    > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >>
    > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    NG's
    > >>
    > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
    > >> > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to
    > > save
    > >> > a
    > >> > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along,
    > >> > ever
    > >> > so
    > >> > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when
    I
    > >> > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location,
    or
    > >> > stuff.
    > >> >
    > >> > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my
    > > hard
    > >> > disk, too.
    > >> >
    > >> > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program
    > >> > called
    > >> > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the
    > > office's
    > >> > AR system where she works.
    > >> >
    > >> > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with
    spyware
    > >> > programs and such.
    > >> >
    > >> > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
    > >> > "Explorer"
    > >> > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
    > >> >
    > >> > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched
    hard
    > >> > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
    > >> > likely
    > >> > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing
    this
    > >> > one
    > >> > function (or would it?).
    > >> >
    > >> > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half
    more
    > > so
    > >> > than me, unfortunately.
    > >> >
    > >> > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your
    impatient,
    > >> > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
    > >> > copyright
    > >> > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
    > >> >
    > >> > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
    > >> > didn't
    > >> > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
    > > processes.
    > >> > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)
    > >> >
    > >> > TIA
    > >> >
    > >> > Mr Curious
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
  5. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
    resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system in a
    worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6 installed
    when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
    properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of the
    Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.

    Good Luck

    --
    Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

    Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

    http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

    Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

    "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    >
    > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    >> Oh, boy!!
    >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS over
    >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that
    > you've
    >> been having problems!!
    >
    > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    >
    >>
    >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to Normal
    >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
    >>
    >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    >>
    >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >> then reboot
    >>
    >> System
    >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    >> System CMOS/real time clock
    >> System speaker
    >> System timer
    >> then reboot
    >>
    >>
    >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again, and
    > check
    >> for duplicates again
    >>
    >> If there's none there, go to
    >> Start |Run
    >> type
    >>
    >> SCANREG /FIX
    >>
    >> and click OK
    >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system behaves
    >> then.
    >
    > Will post, either way.
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> HTH, and good luck
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >>
    >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >>
    >
    > Thanks Ted
    >
    >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >>
    >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >>
    >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in
    >> > safe
    >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
    >> > however
    >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on splash
    >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    >> >
    >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    >> >>
    >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    >> >> Open Device Manager
    >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
    >> >>
    >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.
    >> >>
    >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now
    > make
    >> >> a
    >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red
    >> > flags
    >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
    >> >>
    >> >> post back with your results.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> > Under CDROM:
    >> > ===============
    >> > Duplicated:
    >> > ATAPI CDROM
    >> >
    >> > Triplicated:
    >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    >> >
    >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> > TEAC CD-W54E
    >> >
    >> > Under Disk drives:
    >> > ================
    >> > Duplicated:
    >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    >> >
    >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    >> >
    >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    >> >
    >> > Duplicated:
    >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    >> >
    >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    >> > =================
    >> > Duplicated:
    >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >> >
    >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >> >
    >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >> >
    >> > Under keyboard:
    >> > ================
    >> > Duplicated:
    >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    >> >
    >> > Under Monitor:
    >> > ================
    >> > Duplicated:
    >> > Default Monitor
    >> >
    >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    >> > ================
    >> > Duplicated:
    >> > Gameport Joystick
    >> >
    >> > Under System devices:
    >> > ================
    >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    >> >
    >> > Duplicated:
    >> > Direct memory access controller
    >> >
    >> > Numerica data processor
    >> >
    >> > Programable interupt controller
    >> >
    >> > System CMOS/real time clock
    >> >
    >> > System speaker
    >> >
    >> > System timer
    >> >
    >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    >> > ===============
    >> > Duplicated:
    >> >
    >> > USB Root Hub
    >> >
    >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    >> >
    >> > ++++++++++++++++
    >> >
    >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    >> >
    >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
    >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
    >> > Ports
    >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    >> >
    >> > +++++++++++++++++
    >> >
    >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    >> >
    >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >> --
    >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >>
    >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >> >>
    >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >> >>
    >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    > NG's
    >> >>
    >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
    >> >> > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying
    >> >> > to
    >> > save
    >> >> > a
    >> >> > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along,
    >> >> > ever
    >> >> > so
    >> >> > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens
    >> >> > when
    > I
    >> >> > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location,
    > or
    >> >> > stuff.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of
    >> >> > my
    >> > hard
    >> >> > disk, too.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program
    >> >> > called
    >> >> > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the
    >> > office's
    >> >> > AR system where she works.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with
    > spyware
    >> >> > programs and such.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
    >> >> > "Explorer"
    >> >> > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched
    > hard
    >> >> > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
    >> >> > likely
    >> >> > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing
    > this
    >> >> > one
    >> >> > function (or would it?).
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half
    > more
    >> > so
    >> >> > than me, unfortunately.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your
    > impatient,
    >> >> > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
    >> >> > copyright
    >> >> > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
    >> >> >
    >> >> > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
    >> >> > didn't
    >> >> > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
    >> > processes.
    >> >> > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)
    >> >> >
    >> >> > TIA
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Mr Curious
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
  6. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    Well Noel,

    I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.

    Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the

    ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering

    and others under System devices.

    But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
    group, successfully.

    I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted the
    few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under the USB
    root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.

    The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed much of
    the extra garbage under system devices.

    I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think my
    updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth I need
    a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.

    So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.

    As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs to get
    to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't like
    it.

    Sorry.

    And thanks for posting back.


    "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
    > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system in a
    > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6 installed
    > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
    > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of the
    > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
    >
    > Good Luck
    >
    > --
    > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >
    > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >
    > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >
    > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    > >
    > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > >> Oh, boy!!
    > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS over
    > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that
    > > you've
    > >> been having problems!!
    > >
    > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    > >
    > >>
    > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to
    Normal
    > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
    > >>
    > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    > >>
    > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >> then reboot
    > >>
    > >> System
    > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    > >> System CMOS/real time clock
    > >> System speaker
    > >> System timer
    > >> then reboot
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again, and
    > > check
    > >> for duplicates again
    > >>
    > >> If there's none there, go to
    > >> Start |Run
    > >> type
    > >>
    > >> SCANREG /FIX
    > >>
    > >> and click OK
    > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system behaves
    > >> then.
    > >
    > > Will post, either way.
    > >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> HTH, and good luck
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >>
    > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >>
    > >
    > > Thanks Ted
    > >
    > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >>
    > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    NG's
    > >>
    > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in
    > >> > safe
    > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
    > >> > however
    > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on
    splash
    > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    > >> >
    > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    > >> >> Open Device Manager
    > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now
    > > make
    > >> >> a
    > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or
    red
    > >> > flags
    > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> post back with your results.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> > Under CDROM:
    > >> > ===============
    > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > ATAPI CDROM
    > >> >
    > >> > Triplicated:
    > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    > >> >
    > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
    > >> >
    > >> > Under Disk drives:
    > >> > ================
    > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    > >> >
    > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    > >> >
    > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    > >> >
    > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    > >> >
    > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    > >> > =================
    > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >> >
    > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >> >
    > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >> >
    > >> > Under keyboard:
    > >> > ================
    > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    > >> >
    > >> > Under Monitor:
    > >> > ================
    > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > Default Monitor
    > >> >
    > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    > >> > ================
    > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > Gameport Joystick
    > >> >
    > >> > Under System devices:
    > >> > ================
    > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    > >> >
    > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > Direct memory access controller
    > >> >
    > >> > Numerica data processor
    > >> >
    > >> > Programable interupt controller
    > >> >
    > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
    > >> >
    > >> > System speaker
    > >> >
    > >> > System timer
    > >> >
    > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    > >> > ===============
    > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >
    > >> > USB Root Hub
    > >> >
    > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    > >> >
    > >> > ++++++++++++++++
    > >> >
    > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    > >> >
    > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
    > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
    > >> > Ports
    > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    > >> >
    > >> > +++++++++++++++++
    > >> >
    > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    > >> >
    > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >> --
    > >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >> >>
    > >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    > > NG's
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
    > >> >> > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying
    > >> >> > to
    > >> > save
    > >> >> > a
    > >> >> > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls
    along,
    > >> >> > ever
    > >> >> > so
    > >> >> > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens
    > >> >> > when
    > > I
    > >> >> > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a
    location,
    > > or
    > >> >> > stuff.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of
    > >> >> > my
    > >> > hard
    > >> >> > disk, too.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program
    > >> >> > called
    > >> >> > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the
    > >> > office's
    > >> >> > AR system where she works.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with
    > > spyware
    > >> >> > programs and such.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
    > >> >> > "Explorer"
    > >> >> > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched
    > > hard
    > >> >> > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem
    it
    > >> >> > likely
    > >> >> > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing
    > > this
    > >> >> > one
    > >> >> > function (or would it?).
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half
    > > more
    > >> > so
    > >> >> > than me, unfortunately.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your
    > > impatient,
    > >> >> > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
    > >> >> > copyright
    > >> >> > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but
    I
    > >> >> > didn't
    > >> >> > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
    > >> > processes.
    > >> >> > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown
    there)
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > TIA
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Mr Curious
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
  7. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too. That is
    problematic.

    (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing anything)

    "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:dc2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
    > Well Noel,
    >
    > I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
    >
    > Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
    >
    > ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
    >
    > and others under System devices.
    >
    > But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
    > group, successfully.
    >
    > I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted the
    > few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under the
    USB
    > root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
    >
    > The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed much
    of
    > the extra garbage under system devices.
    >
    > I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think my
    > updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth I
    need
    > a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
    >
    > So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
    >
    > As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs to
    get
    > to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't
    like
    > it.
    >
    > Sorry.
    >
    > And thanks for posting back.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
    > > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system in
    a
    > > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    > > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
    installed
    > > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
    > > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of the
    > > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    > > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
    > >
    > > Good Luck
    > >
    > > --
    > > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >
    > > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >
    > > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >
    > > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    NG's
    > >
    > > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    > > >
    > > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > > >> Oh, boy!!
    > > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS
    over
    > > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that
    > > > you've
    > > >> been having problems!!
    > > >
    > > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    > > >
    > > >>
    > > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to
    > Normal
    > > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
    > > >>
    > > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    > > >>
    > > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    > > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > > >> then reboot
    > > >>
    > > >> System
    > > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    > > >> System CMOS/real time clock
    > > >> System speaker
    > > >> System timer
    > > >> then reboot
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again,
    and
    > > > check
    > > >> for duplicates again
    > > >>
    > > >> If there's none there, go to
    > > >> Start |Run
    > > >> type
    > > >>
    > > >> SCANREG /FIX
    > > >>
    > > >> and click OK
    > > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system
    behaves
    > > >> then.
    > > >
    > > > Will post, either way.
    > > >
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >> HTH, and good luck
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >> --
    > > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > > >>
    > > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > > Thanks Ted
    > > >
    > > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > > >>
    > > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    > NG's
    > > >>
    > > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    > > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in
    > > >> > safe
    > > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
    > > >> > however
    > > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on
    > splash
    > > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    > > >> >
    > > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    > > >> >> Open Device Manager
    > > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    > > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
    drivers.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode -
    Now
    > > > make
    > > >> >> a
    > > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or
    > red
    > > >> > flags
    > > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> post back with your results.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >>
    > > >> > Under CDROM:
    > > >> > ===============
    > > >> > Duplicated:
    > > >> > ATAPI CDROM
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Triplicated:
    > > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Under Disk drives:
    > > >> > ================
    > > >> > Duplicated:
    > > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    > > >> >
    > > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Duplicated:
    > > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    > > >> > =================
    > > >> > Duplicated:
    > > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Under keyboard:
    > > >> > ================
    > > >> > Duplicated:
    > > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Under Monitor:
    > > >> > ================
    > > >> > Duplicated:
    > > >> > Default Monitor
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    > > >> > ================
    > > >> > Duplicated:
    > > >> > Gameport Joystick
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Under System devices:
    > > >> > ================
    > > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Duplicated:
    > > >> > Direct memory access controller
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Numerica data processor
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Programable interupt controller
    > > >> >
    > > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
    > > >> >
    > > >> > System speaker
    > > >> >
    > > >> > System timer
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    > > >> > ===============
    > > >> > Duplicated:
    > > >> >
    > > >> > USB Root Hub
    > > >> >
    > > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    > > >> >
    > > >> > ++++++++++++++++
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    > > >> >
    > > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    > > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    > > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    > > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
    > > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    > > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    > > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
    > > >> > Ports
    > > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    > > >> >
    > > >> > +++++++++++++++++
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    > > >> >
    > > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >> --
    > > >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > > >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
    to
    > > > NG's
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > >> >> news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
    > > >> >> > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am
    trying
    > > >> >> > to
    > > >> > save
    > > >> >> > a
    > > >> >> > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls
    > along,
    > > >> >> > ever
    > > >> >> > so
    > > >> >> > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens
    > > >> >> > when
    > > > I
    > > >> >> > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a
    > location,
    > > > or
    > > >> >> > stuff.
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents
    of
    > > >> >> > my
    > > >> > hard
    > > >> >> > disk, too.
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a
    program
    > > >> >> > called
    > > >> >> > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents
    the
    > > >> > office's
    > > >> >> > AR system where she works.
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with
    > > > spyware
    > > >> >> > programs and such.
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using
    the
    > > >> >> > "Explorer"
    > > >> >> > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as
    mismatched
    > > > hard
    > > >> >> > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the
    problem
    > it
    > > >> >> > likely
    > > >> >> > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just
    performing
    > > > this
    > > >> >> > one
    > > >> >> > function (or would it?).
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better
    half
    > > > more
    > > >> > so
    > > >> >> > than me, unfortunately.
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your
    > > > impatient,
    > > >> >> > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try
    and
    > > >> >> > copyright
    > > >> >> > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great,
    but
    > I
    > > >> >> > didn't
    > > >> >> > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
    > > >> > processes.
    > > >> >> > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown
    > there)
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > TIA
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> > Mr Curious
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >> >
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
  8. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
    Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it reports
    about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as broken/missing and
    go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then install
    them.
    Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then run a
    full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
    spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they report, and
    post back with results.

    --
    Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

    Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

    http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

    Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

    "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
    > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too. That
    > is
    > problematic.
    >
    > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
    > anything)
    >
    > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:dc2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
    >> Well Noel,
    >>
    >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
    >>
    >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
    >>
    >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
    >>
    >> and others under System devices.
    >>
    >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
    >> group, successfully.
    >>
    >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted the
    >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under the
    > USB
    >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
    >>
    >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed much
    > of
    >> the extra garbage under system devices.
    >>
    >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think my
    >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth I
    > need
    >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
    >>
    >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
    >>
    >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs to
    > get
    >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't
    > like
    >> it.
    >>
    >> Sorry.
    >>
    >> And thanks for posting back.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
    >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system in
    > a
    >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
    > installed
    >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
    >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of
    >> > the
    >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
    >> >
    >> > Good Luck
    >> >
    >> > --
    >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >
    >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >> >
    >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >> >
    >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    > NG's
    >> >
    >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    >> > >
    >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    >> > >> Oh, boy!!
    >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS
    > over
    >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all
    >> > >> that
    >> > > you've
    >> > >> been having problems!!
    >> > >
    >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    >> > >
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to
    >> Normal
    >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
    >> > >>
    >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >> > >> then reboot
    >> > >>
    >> > >> System
    >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
    >> > >> System speaker
    >> > >> System timer
    >> > >> then reboot
    >> > >>
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again,
    > and
    >> > > check
    >> > >> for duplicates again
    >> > >>
    >> > >> If there's none there, go to
    >> > >> Start |Run
    >> > >> type
    >> > >>
    >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
    >> > >>
    >> > >> and click OK
    >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system
    > behaves
    >> > >> then.
    >> > >
    >> > > Will post, either way.
    >> > >
    >> > >>
    >> > >>
    >> > >> HTH, and good luck
    >> > >>
    >> > >>
    >> > >> --
    >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >> > >>
    >> > >
    >> > > Thanks Ted
    >> > >
    >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    >> NG's
    >> > >>
    >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while
    >> > >> > in
    >> > >> > safe
    >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
    >> > >> > explicitly,
    >> > >> > however
    >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on
    >> splash
    >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
    >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
    > drivers.
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode -
    > Now
    >> > > make
    >> > >> >> a
    >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or
    >> red
    >> > >> > flags
    >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >> post back with your results.
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> >>
    >> > >> > Under CDROM:
    >> > >> > ===============
    >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Triplicated:
    >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
    >> > >> > ================
    >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    >> > >> > =================
    >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Under keyboard:
    >> > >> > ================
    >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Under Monitor:
    >> > >> > ================
    >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> > >> > Default Monitor
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    >> > >> > ================
    >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Under System devices:
    >> > >> > ================
    >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Numerica data processor
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > System speaker
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > System timer
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    >> > >> > ===============
    >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > USB Root Hub
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
    >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
    >> > >> > Ports
    >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
  9. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject Search
    Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....

    Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to install
    it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.

    But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the other
    stuff too, it's better, I guess.

    Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my login
    and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes the
    machine works, sometimes not.

    Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading at that
    time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting escape
    would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.

    Thanks again for your help.

    Ted


    "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
    > Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it reports
    > about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as broken/missing and
    > go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then
    install
    > them.
    > Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then run a
    > full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
    > spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they report,
    and
    > post back with results.
    >
    > --
    > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >
    > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >
    > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >
    > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
    > > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too.
    That
    > > is
    > > problematic.
    > >
    > > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
    > > anything)
    > >
    > > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:dc2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
    > >> Well Noel,
    > >>
    > >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
    > >>
    > >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
    > >>
    > >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
    > >>
    > >> and others under System devices.
    > >>
    > >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
    > >> group, successfully.
    > >>
    > >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted
    the
    > >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under the
    > > USB
    > >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
    > >>
    > >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed
    much
    > > of
    > >> the extra garbage under system devices.
    > >>
    > >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think
    my
    > >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth I
    > > need
    > >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
    > >>
    > >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
    > >>
    > >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs to
    > > get
    > >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't
    > > like
    > >> it.
    > >>
    > >> Sorry.
    > >>
    > >> And thanks for posting back.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
    > >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system
    in
    > > a
    > >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    > >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
    > > installed
    > >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
    > >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of
    > >> > the
    > >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    > >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
    > >> >
    > >> > Good Luck
    > >> >
    > >> > --
    > >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >
    > >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >> >
    > >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >> >
    > >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    > > NG's
    > >> >
    > >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    > >> > >
    > >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > >> > >> Oh, boy!!
    > >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS
    > > over
    > >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all
    > >> > >> that
    > >> > > you've
    > >> > >> been having problems!!
    > >> > >
    > >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    > >> > >
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to
    > >> Normal
    > >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    > >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >> > >> then reboot
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> System
    > >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    > >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
    > >> > >> System speaker
    > >> > >> System timer
    > >> > >> then reboot
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again,
    > > and
    > >> > > check
    > >> > >> for duplicates again
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> If there's none there, go to
    > >> > >> Start |Run
    > >> > >> type
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> and click OK
    > >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system
    > > behaves
    > >> > >> then.
    > >> > >
    > >> > > Will post, either way.
    > >> > >
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> HTH, and good luck
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> --
    > >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >
    > >> > > Thanks Ted
    > >> > >
    > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
    to
    > >> NG's
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    > >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while
    > >> > >> > in
    > >> > >> > safe
    > >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
    > >> > >> > explicitly,
    > >> > >> > however
    > >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on
    > >> splash
    > >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    > >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
    > >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    > >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
    > > drivers.
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode -
    > > Now
    > >> > > make
    > >> > >> >> a
    > >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow
    or
    > >> red
    > >> > >> > flags
    > >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >> post back with your results.
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> >>
    > >> > >> > Under CDROM:
    > >> > >> > ===============
    > >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Triplicated:
    > >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
    > >> > >> > ================
    > >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    > >> > >> > =================
    > >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Under keyboard:
    > >> > >> > ================
    > >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Under Monitor:
    > >> > >> > ================
    > >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > >> > Default Monitor
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    > >> > >> > ================
    > >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Under System devices:
    > >> > >> > ================
    > >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Numerica data processor
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > System speaker
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > System timer
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    > >> > >> > ===============
    > >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > USB Root Hub
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    > >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    > >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    > >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
    > >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    > >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    > >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
    jacks)
    > >> > >> > Ports
    > >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    > >> > >> >
    > >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >
  10. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an indicator that
    you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.

    Reboot to Safe Mode
    Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of Hidden AND
    System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files, using
    your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is first!)

    Let us know what's found

    You can download the 891711 patch from here....
    Oh - no , you can't!! :( - it seems to be available only from Win ME's
    Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
    Try here, instead....
    Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise' link on
    the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your listing....
    Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
    Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
    Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
    Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the "Contains
    these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering, which
    will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and install the
    patch from there

    See if that helps.


    --
    Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

    Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

    http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

    Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

    "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
    > That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject Search
    > Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
    >
    > Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
    > install
    > it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
    >
    > But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the other
    > stuff too, it's better, I guess.
    >
    > Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my login
    > and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes the
    > machine works, sometimes not.
    >
    > Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading at that
    > time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting
    > escape
    > would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
    >
    > Thanks again for your help.
    >
    > Ted
    >
    >
    >
    > "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    >> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
    >> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it reports
    >> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as broken/missing
    >> and
    >> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then
    > install
    >> them.
    >> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then run a
    >> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
    >> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they report,
    > and
    >> post back with results.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >>
    >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >>
    >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >>
    >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >>
    >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
    >> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too.
    > That
    >> > is
    >> > problematic.
    >> >
    >> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
    >> > anything)
    >> >
    >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> > news:dc2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
    >> >> Well Noel,
    >> >>
    >> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
    >> >>
    >> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
    >> >>
    >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
    >> >>
    >> >> and others under System devices.
    >> >>
    >> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
    >> >> group, successfully.
    >> >>
    >> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted
    > the
    >> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under
    >> >> the
    >> > USB
    >> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
    >> >>
    >> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed
    > much
    >> > of
    >> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
    >> >>
    >> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think
    > my
    >> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth
    >> >> I
    >> > need
    >> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
    >> >>
    >> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
    >> >>
    >> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs
    >> >> to
    >> > get
    >> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't
    >> > like
    >> >> it.
    >> >>
    >> >> Sorry.
    >> >>
    >> >> And thanks for posting back.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a
    >> >> > last
    >> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system
    > in
    >> > a
    >> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    >> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
    >> > installed
    >> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
    >> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of
    >> >> > the
    >> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    >> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Good Luck
    >> >> >
    >> >> > --
    >> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >> >> >
    >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    >> > NG's
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    >> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
    >> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS
    >> > over
    >> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all
    >> >> > >> that
    >> >> > > you've
    >> >> > >> been having problems!!
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to
    >> >> Normal
    >> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    >> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >> >> > >> then reboot
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> System
    >> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    >> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
    >> >> > >> System speaker
    >> >> > >> System timer
    >> >> > >> then reboot
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
    >> >> > >> again,
    >> > and
    >> >> > > check
    >> >> > >> for duplicates again
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
    >> >> > >> Start |Run
    >> >> > >> type
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> and click OK
    >> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system
    >> > behaves
    >> >> > >> then.
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > > Will post, either way.
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> --
    >> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > > Thanks Ted
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
    > to
    >> >> NG's
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    >> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a
    >> >> > >> > while
    >> >> > >> > in
    >> >> > >> > safe
    >> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
    >> >> > >> > explicitly,
    >> >> > >> > however
    >> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked
    >> >> > >> > on
    >> >> splash
    >> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    >> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
    >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
    >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
    >> > drivers.
    >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
    >> >> > >> >> Mode -
    >> > Now
    >> >> > > make
    >> >> > >> >> a
    >> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow
    > or
    >> >> red
    >> >> > >> > flags
    >> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
    >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
    >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
    >> >> > >> > ===============
    >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Triplicated:
    >> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
    >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    >> >> > >> > =================
    >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
    >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
    >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> > >> > Default Monitor
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Under System devices:
    >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > System speaker
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > System timer
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    >> >> > >> > ===============
    >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    >> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    >> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    >> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
    >> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    >> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    >> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
    > jacks)
    >> >> > >> > Ports
    >> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    >> >> > >> >
    >> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >>
    >
    >
  11. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and Windows 98
    Second Edition are being made available under extended support for critical
    security issues."

    Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab that
    file from Microsoft.

    Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.

    "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an indicator that
    > you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.
    >
    > Reboot to Safe Mode
    > Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of Hidden AND
    > System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files, using
    > your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is first!)
    >
    > Let us know what's found
    >
    > You can download the 891711 patch from here....
    > Oh - no , you can't!! :( - it seems to be available only from Win ME's
    > Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
    > Try here, instead....
    > Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise' link on
    > the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your listing....
    > Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
    > Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
    > Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
    > Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the "Contains
    > these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering, which
    > will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and install the
    > patch from there
    >
    > See if that helps.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >
    > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >
    > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >
    > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
    > > That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject Search
    > > Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
    > >
    > > Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
    > > install
    > > it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
    > >
    > > But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the other
    > > stuff too, it's better, I guess.
    > >
    > > Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my
    login
    > > and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes the
    > > machine works, sometimes not.
    > >
    > > Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading at
    that
    > > time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting
    > > escape
    > > would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
    > >
    > > Thanks again for your help.
    > >
    > > Ted
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > > news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > >> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
    > >> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
    reports
    > >> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as broken/missing
    > >> and
    > >> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then
    > > install
    > >> them.
    > >> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then run
    a
    > >> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
    > >> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
    report,
    > > and
    > >> post back with results.
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >>
    > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >>
    > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >>
    > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    NG's
    > >>
    > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
    > >> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too.
    > > That
    > >> > is
    > >> > problematic.
    > >> >
    > >> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
    > >> > anything)
    > >> >
    > >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> > news:dc2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
    > >> >> Well Noel,
    > >> >>
    > >> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
    > >> >>
    > >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
    > >> >>
    > >> >> and others under System devices.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under
    this
    > >> >> group, successfully.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
    deleted
    > > the
    > >> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under
    > >> >> the
    > >> > USB
    > >> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed
    > > much
    > >> > of
    > >> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I
    think
    > > my
    > >> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on
    earth
    > >> >> I
    > >> > need
    > >> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs
    > >> >> to
    > >> > get
    > >> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I
    don't
    > >> > like
    > >> >> it.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Sorry.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> And thanks for posting back.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a
    > >> >> > last
    > >> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the
    system
    > > in
    > >> > a
    > >> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    > >> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
    > >> > installed
    > >> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer
    works
    > >> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many
    of
    > >> >> > the
    > >> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    > >> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Good Luck
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > --
    > >> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
    to
    > >> > NG's
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    > >> >> > >
    > >> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
    > >> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the
    OS
    > >> > over
    > >> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at
    all
    > >> >> > >> that
    > >> >> > > you've
    > >> >> > >> been having problems!!
    > >> >> > >
    > >> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    > >> >> > >
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting
    to
    > >> >> Normal
    > >> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    > >> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >> >> > >> then reboot
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> System
    > >> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    > >> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
    > >> >> > >> System speaker
    > >> >> > >> System timer
    > >> >> > >> then reboot
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
    > >> >> > >> again,
    > >> > and
    > >> >> > > check
    > >> >> > >> for duplicates again
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
    > >> >> > >> Start |Run
    > >> >> > >> type
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> and click OK
    > >> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system
    > >> > behaves
    > >> >> > >> then.
    > >> >> > >
    > >> >> > > Will post, either way.
    > >> >> > >
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> --
    > >> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >
    > >> >> > > Thanks Ted
    > >> >> > >
    > >> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
    messages
    > > to
    > >> >> NG's
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    > >> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a
    > >> >> > >> > while
    > >> >> > >> > in
    > >> >> > >> > safe
    > >> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
    > >> >> > >> > explicitly,
    > >> >> > >> > however
    > >> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked
    > >> >> > >> > on
    > >> >> splash
    > >> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
    message
    > >> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    > >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    > >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
    > >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    > >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
    present
    > >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
    > >> > drivers.
    > >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
    > >> >> > >> >> Mode -
    > >> > Now
    > >> >> > > make
    > >> >> > >> >> a
    > >> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have
    yellow
    > > or
    > >> >> red
    > >> >> > >> > flags
    > >> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green
    flags.
    > >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
    > >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
    > >> >> > >> > ===============
    > >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Triplicated:
    > >> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
    > >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    > >> >> > >> > =================
    > >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
    > >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
    > >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> > >> > Default Monitor
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    > >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Under System devices:
    > >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > System speaker
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > System timer
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    > >> >> > >> > ===============
    > >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    > >> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    > >> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    > >> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
    > >> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    > >> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    > >> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
    > > jacks)
    > >> >> > >> > Ports
    > >> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    > >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
  12. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/WindowsME-KB891711-v2-ENU_71c3336e6d7630cff2739a9d05d2eed.EXE


    Shane


    ng_reader wrote:
    > "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and
    > Windows 98 Second Edition are being made available under extended
    > support for critical security issues."
    >
    > Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab
    > that file from Microsoft.
    >
    > Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
    >
    > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    >> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an
    >> indicator that you're already infected with the virus that it's
    >> designed to avert.
    >>
    >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    >> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of
    >> Hidden AND System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of
    >> all files, using your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really
    >> matter which is first!)
    >>
    >> Let us know what's found
    >>
    >> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
    >> Oh - no , you can't!! :( - it seems to be available only from Win
    >> ME's Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
    >> Try here, instead....
    >> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise'
    >> link on the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to
    >> your listing.... Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click
    >> on the new link
    >> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
    >> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
    >> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the
    >> "Contains these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single
    >> offering, which will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe
    >> Mode, and install the patch from there
    >>
    >> See if that helps.
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >>
    >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >>
    >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >>
    >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    >> NG's
    >>
    >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
    >>> That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject
    >>> Search Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
    >>>
    >>> Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
    >>> install
    >>> it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
    >>>
    >>> But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the
    >>> other stuff too, it's better, I guess.
    >>>
    >>> Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get
    >>> my login and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password)
    >>> sometimes the machine works, sometimes not.
    >>>
    >>> Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading
    >>> at that time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS
    >>> days, hitting escape
    >>> would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks again for your help.
    >>>
    >>> Ted
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    >>>> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
    >>>> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
    >>>> reports about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as
    >>>> broken/missing and
    >>>> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there,
    >>>> then install them.
    >>>> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then
    >>>> run a full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with
    >>>> a spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
    >>>> report, and post back with results.
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >>>>
    >>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >>>>
    >>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >>>>
    >>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
    >>>> to NG's
    >>>>
    >>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
    >>>>> Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit
    >>>>> too. That is
    >>>>> problematic.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
    >>>>> anything)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:dc2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
    >>>>>> Well Noel,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> and others under System devices.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer
    >>>>>> under this group, successfully.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
    >>>>>> deleted the few under System Devices. It then went on to look
    >>>>>> for devices under the
    >>>>> USB
    >>>>>> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
    >>>>>> removed much of the extra garbage under system devices.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I
    >>>>>> think my updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system.
    >>>>>> Why on earth I
    >>>>> need
    >>>>>> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the
    >>>>>> Mrs to
    >>>>> get
    >>>>>> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I
    >>>>>> don't like it.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Sorry.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> And thanks for posting back.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>> I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a
    >>>>>>> last
    >>>>>>> resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the
    > system
    >>> in
    >>>>> a
    >>>>>>> worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    >>>>>>> Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
    >>>>>>> installed when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE
    >>>>>>> no longer works properly, as well as meaning that there's a
    >>>>>>> good chance that many of the
    >>>>>>> Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    >>>>>>> we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Good Luck
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> --
    >>>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >>>>>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
    >>>>>>> messages to NG's
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>> Oh, boy!!
    >>>>>>>>> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of
    >>>>>>>>> the OS over itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no
    >>>>>>>>> surprise at all that
    >>>>>>>> you've
    >>>>>>>>> been having problems!!
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups,
    >>>>>>>>> rebooting to Normal Mode in between groups, before booting
    >>>>>>>>> back to Safe Mode.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    >>>>>>>>> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >>>>>>>>> then reboot
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> System
    >>>>>>>>> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    >>>>>>>>> System CMOS/real time clock
    >>>>>>>>> System speaker
    >>>>>>>>> System timer
    >>>>>>>>> then reboot
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
    >>>>>>>>> again, and check
    >>>>>>>>> for duplicates again
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> If there's none there, go to
    >>>>>>>>> Start |Run
    >>>>>>>>> type
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> SCANREG /FIX
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> and click OK
    >>>>>>>>> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
    >>>>>>>>> system behaves then.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Will post, either way.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> HTH, and good luck
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> --
    >>>>>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >>>>>>>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Thanks Ted
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
    > messages
    >>> to
    >>>>>> NG's
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    >>>>>>>>>> My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a
    >>>>>>>>>> while
    >>>>>>>>>> in
    >>>>>>>>>> safe
    >>>>>>>>>> mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
    >>>>>>>>>> explicitly,
    >>>>>>>>>> however
    >>>>>>>>>> only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked
    >>>>>>>>>> on
    >>>>>> splash
    >>>>>>>>>> screen, so had to hit reset button.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
    >>>>>>>>>> message news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Reboot to Safe Mode
    >>>>>>>>>>> Open Device Manager
    >>>>>>>>>>> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    >>>>>>>>>>> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
    >>>>>>>>>>> present
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
    >>>>>>>>>>> drivers.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
    >>>>>>>>>>> Mode - Now make
    >>>>>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>>>>> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have
    > yellow
    >>> or
    >>>>>> red
    >>>>>>>>>> flags
    >>>>>>>>>>> against them - and another set for any that have green
    >>>>>>>>>>> flags.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> post back with your results.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Under CDROM:
    >>>>>>>>>> ===============
    >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>> ATAPI CDROM
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Triplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>> Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Quadruplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>> TEAC CD-W54E
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Under Disk drives:
    >>>>>>>>>> ================
    >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>> GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Quadruplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>> IOMEGA ZIP 100
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>> WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    >>>>>>>>>> =================
    >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>> Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Under keyboard:
    >>>>>>>>>> ================
    >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>> Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Under Monitor:
    >>>>>>>>>> ================
    >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>> Default Monitor
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    >>>>>>>>>> ================
    >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>> Gameport Joystick
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Under System devices:
    >>>>>>>>>> ================
    >>>>>>>>>> Quadruplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>> ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>> Direct memory access controller
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Numerica data processor
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Programable interupt controller
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> System CMOS/real time clock
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> System speaker
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> System timer
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    >>>>>>>>>> ===============
    >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> USB Root Hub
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> BTW (bluetooth controller)
    >>>>>>>>>> Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    >>>>>>>>>> Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    >>>>>>>>>> Floppy Disk Controllers
    >>>>>>>>>> Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    >>>>>>>>>> Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    >>>>>>>>>> Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
    >>>>>>>>>> jacks) Ports
    >>>>>>>>>> SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> +++++++++++++++++
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
  13. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    strange - it downloaded fine for me when I followed the instructions I
    posted.... use Shane's link (it's the same place in the end)

    --
    Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

    Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

    http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

    Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

    "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:2YSdnd2yOKyY1WTfRVn-uA@comcast.com...
    > "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and Windows 98
    > Second Edition are being made available under extended support for
    > critical
    > security issues."
    >
    > Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab that
    > file from Microsoft.
    >
    > Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
    >
    > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    >> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an indicator
    >> that
    >> you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.
    >>
    >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    >> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of Hidden AND
    >> System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files,
    >> using
    >> your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is
    >> first!)
    >>
    >> Let us know what's found
    >>
    >> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
    >> Oh - no , you can't!! :( - it seems to be available only from Win ME's
    >> Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
    >> Try here, instead....
    >> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise' link
    >> on
    >> the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your listing....
    >> Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
    >> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
    >> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
    >> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the "Contains
    >> these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering, which
    >> will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and install
    >> the
    >> patch from there
    >>
    >> See if that helps.
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >>
    >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >>
    >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >>
    >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >>
    >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
    >> > That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject Search
    >> > Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
    >> >
    >> > Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
    >> > install
    >> > it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
    >> >
    >> > But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the other
    >> > stuff too, it's better, I guess.
    >> >
    >> > Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my
    > login
    >> > and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes the
    >> > machine works, sometimes not.
    >> >
    >> > Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading at
    > that
    >> > time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting
    >> > escape
    >> > would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
    >> >
    >> > Thanks again for your help.
    >> >
    >> > Ted
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> > news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    >> >> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
    >> >> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
    > reports
    >> >> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as broken/missing
    >> >> and
    >> >> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then
    >> > install
    >> >> them.
    >> >> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then run
    > a
    >> >> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
    >> >> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
    > report,
    >> > and
    >> >> post back with results.
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >>
    >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >> >>
    >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >> >>
    >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    > NG's
    >> >>
    >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
    >> >> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too.
    >> > That
    >> >> > is
    >> >> > problematic.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
    >> >> > anything)
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> > news:dc2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
    >> >> >> Well Noel,
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> and others under System devices.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under
    > this
    >> >> >> group, successfully.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
    > deleted
    >> > the
    >> >> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under
    >> >> >> the
    >> >> > USB
    >> >> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
    >> >> >> removed
    >> > much
    >> >> > of
    >> >> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I
    > think
    >> > my
    >> >> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on
    > earth
    >> >> >> I
    >> >> > need
    >> >> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the
    >> >> >> Mrs
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> > get
    >> >> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I
    > don't
    >> >> > like
    >> >> >> it.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Sorry.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> And thanks for posting back.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >> >> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a
    >> >> >> > last
    >> >> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the
    > system
    >> > in
    >> >> > a
    >> >> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    >> >> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
    >> >> > installed
    >> >> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer
    > works
    >> >> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many
    > of
    >> >> >> > the
    >> >> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    >> >> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > Good Luck
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > --
    >> >> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
    > to
    >> >> > NG's
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    >> >> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
    >> >> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the
    > OS
    >> >> > over
    >> >> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at
    > all
    >> >> >> > >> that
    >> >> >> > > you've
    >> >> >> > >> been having problems!!
    >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting
    > to
    >> >> >> Normal
    >> >> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    >> >> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >> >> >> > >> then reboot
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> System
    >> >> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    >> >> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
    >> >> >> > >> System speaker
    >> >> >> > >> System timer
    >> >> >> > >> then reboot
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
    >> >> >> > >> again,
    >> >> > and
    >> >> >> > > check
    >> >> >> > >> for duplicates again
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
    >> >> >> > >> Start |Run
    >> >> >> > >> type
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> and click OK
    >> >> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
    >> >> >> > >> system
    >> >> > behaves
    >> >> >> > >> then.
    >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> > > Will post, either way.
    >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> --
    >> >> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> >> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> > > Thanks Ted
    >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
    > messages
    >> > to
    >> >> >> NG's
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    >> >> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a
    >> >> >> > >> > while
    >> >> >> > >> > in
    >> >> >> > >> > safe
    >> >> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
    >> >> >> > >> > explicitly,
    >> >> >> > >> > however
    >> >> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine
    >> >> >> > >> > locked
    >> >> >> > >> > on
    >> >> >> splash
    >> >> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
    > message
    >> >> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    >> >> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    >> >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    >> >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
    >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
    > present
    >> >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
    >> >> > drivers.
    >> >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
    >> >> >> > >> >> Mode -
    >> >> > Now
    >> >> >> > > make
    >> >> >> > >> >> a
    >> >> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have
    > yellow
    >> > or
    >> >> >> red
    >> >> >> > >> > flags
    >> >> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green
    > flags.
    >> >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
    >> >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
    >> >> >> > >> > ===============
    >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Triplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
    >> >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    >> >> >> > >> > =================
    >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
    >> >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
    >> >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> > Default Monitor
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    >> >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Under System devices:
    >> >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > System speaker
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > System timer
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    >> >> >> > >> > ===============
    >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    >> >> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    >> >> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    >> >> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
    >> >> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    >> >> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    >> >> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
    >> > jacks)
    >> >> >> > >> > Ports
    >> >> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
  14. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?

    Oh, nevermind. It worked.

    These virii and spyware are a constant battle.

    But, I think I might want to blame Sun Microsystems, and not my little video
    card processor - Nvidia.

    I get a very similar response from my machine whenever executing Java, it
    seems. I know, write once - run anywhere, but, it really is a bit of a hog.

    So, I don't know why it would affect my explorer function, but for now, I
    think it do.

    Ted
    "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:e60Ay9WnFHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    >
    http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/WindowsME-KB891711-v2-ENU_71c3336e6d7630cff2739a9d05d2eed.EXE
    >
    >
    > Shane
    >
    >
    > ng_reader wrote:
    > > "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and
    > > Windows 98 Second Edition are being made available under extended
    > > support for critical security issues."
    > >
    > > Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab
    > > that file from Microsoft.
    > >
    > > Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
    > >
    > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > > news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > >> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an
    > >> indicator that you're already infected with the virus that it's
    > >> designed to avert.
    > >>
    > >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    > >> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of
    > >> Hidden AND System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of
    > >> all files, using your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really
    > >> matter which is first!)
    > >>
    > >> Let us know what's found
    > >>
    > >> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
    > >> Oh - no , you can't!! :( - it seems to be available only from Win
    > >> ME's Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
    > >> Try here, instead....
    > >> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise'
    > >> link on the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to
    > >> your listing.... Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click
    > >> on the new link
    > >> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
    > >> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
    > >> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the
    > >> "Contains these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single
    > >> offering, which will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe
    > >> Mode, and install the patch from there
    > >>
    > >> See if that helps.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >>
    > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >>
    > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >>
    > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    > >> NG's
    > >>
    > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
    > >>> That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject
    > >>> Search Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
    > >>>
    > >>> Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
    > >>> install
    > >>> it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
    > >>>
    > >>> But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the
    > >>> other stuff too, it's better, I guess.
    > >>>
    > >>> Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get
    > >>> my login and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password)
    > >>> sometimes the machine works, sometimes not.
    > >>>
    > >>> Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading
    > >>> at that time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS
    > >>> days, hitting escape
    > >>> would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
    > >>>
    > >>> Thanks again for your help.
    > >>>
    > >>> Ted
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>> "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >>> news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > >>>> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
    > >>>> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
    > >>>> reports about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as
    > >>>> broken/missing and
    > >>>> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there,
    > >>>> then install them.
    > >>>> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then
    > >>>> run a full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with
    > >>>> a spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
    > >>>> report, and post back with results.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> --
    > >>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >>>>
    > >>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
    > >>>> to NG's
    > >>>>
    > >>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >>>> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
    > >>>>> Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit
    > >>>>> too. That is
    > >>>>> problematic.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
    > >>>>> anything)
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >>>>> news:dc2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
    > >>>>>> Well Noel,
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> and others under System devices.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer
    > >>>>>> under this group, successfully.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
    > >>>>>> deleted the few under System Devices. It then went on to look
    > >>>>>> for devices under the
    > >>>>> USB
    > >>>>>> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
    > >>>>>> removed much of the extra garbage under system devices.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I
    > >>>>>> think my updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system.
    > >>>>>> Why on earth I
    > >>>>> need
    > >>>>>> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the
    > >>>>>> Mrs to
    > >>>>> get
    > >>>>>> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I
    > >>>>>> don't like it.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Sorry.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> And thanks for posting back.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >>>>>> news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > >>>>>>> I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a
    > >>>>>>> last
    > >>>>>>> resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the
    > > system
    > >>> in
    > >>>>> a
    > >>>>>>> worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    > >>>>>>> Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
    > >>>>>>> installed when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE
    > >>>>>>> no longer works properly, as well as meaning that there's a
    > >>>>>>> good chance that many of the
    > >>>>>>> Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    > >>>>>>> we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> Good Luck
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> --
    > >>>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >>>>>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
    > >>>>>>> messages to NG's
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >>>>>>> news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >>>>>>>> news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > >>>>>>>>> Oh, boy!!
    > >>>>>>>>> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of
    > >>>>>>>>> the OS over itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no
    > >>>>>>>>> surprise at all that
    > >>>>>>>> you've
    > >>>>>>>>> been having problems!!
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups,
    > >>>>>>>>> rebooting to Normal Mode in between groups, before booting
    > >>>>>>>>> back to Safe Mode.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    > >>>>>>>>> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >>>>>>>>> then reboot
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> System
    > >>>>>>>>> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    > >>>>>>>>> System CMOS/real time clock
    > >>>>>>>>> System speaker
    > >>>>>>>>> System timer
    > >>>>>>>>> then reboot
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
    > >>>>>>>>> again, and check
    > >>>>>>>>> for duplicates again
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> If there's none there, go to
    > >>>>>>>>> Start |Run
    > >>>>>>>>> type
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> SCANREG /FIX
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> and click OK
    > >>>>>>>>> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
    > >>>>>>>>> system behaves then.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> Will post, either way.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> HTH, and good luck
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> --
    > >>>>>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >>>>>>>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> Thanks Ted
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
    > > messages
    > >>> to
    > >>>>>> NG's
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >>>>>>>>> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    > >>>>>>>>>> My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a
    > >>>>>>>>>> while
    > >>>>>>>>>> in
    > >>>>>>>>>> safe
    > >>>>>>>>>> mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
    > >>>>>>>>>> explicitly,
    > >>>>>>>>>> however
    > >>>>>>>>>> only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked
    > >>>>>>>>>> on
    > >>>>>> splash
    > >>>>>>>>>> screen, so had to hit reset button.
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
    > >>>>>>>>>> message news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > >>>>>>>>>>> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Reboot to Safe Mode
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Open Device Manager
    > >>>>>>>>>>> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    > >>>>>>>>>>> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
    > >>>>>>>>>>> present
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
    > >>>>>>>>>>> drivers.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Mode - Now make
    > >>>>>>>>>>> a
    > >>>>>>>>>>> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have
    > > yellow
    > >>> or
    > >>>>>> red
    > >>>>>>>>>> flags
    > >>>>>>>>>>> against them - and another set for any that have green
    > >>>>>>>>>>> flags.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>> post back with your results.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Under CDROM:
    > >>>>>>>>>> ===============
    > >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>> ATAPI CDROM
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Triplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>> Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Quadruplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>> TEAC CD-W54E
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Under Disk drives:
    > >>>>>>>>>> ================
    > >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>> GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Quadruplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>> IOMEGA ZIP 100
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>> WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    > >>>>>>>>>> =================
    > >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>> Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Under keyboard:
    > >>>>>>>>>> ================
    > >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>> Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Under Monitor:
    > >>>>>>>>>> ================
    > >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>> Default Monitor
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    > >>>>>>>>>> ================
    > >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>> Gameport Joystick
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Under System devices:
    > >>>>>>>>>> ================
    > >>>>>>>>>> Quadruplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>> ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>> Direct memory access controller
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Numerica data processor
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Programable interupt controller
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> System CMOS/real time clock
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> System speaker
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> System timer
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    > >>>>>>>>>> ===============
    > >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> USB Root Hub
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> BTW (bluetooth controller)
    > >>>>>>>>>> Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    > >>>>>>>>>> Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    > >>>>>>>>>> Floppy Disk Controllers
    > >>>>>>>>>> Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    > >>>>>>>>>> Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    > >>>>>>>>>> Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
    > >>>>>>>>>> jacks) Ports
    > >>>>>>>>>> SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> +++++++++++++++++
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >
    >
  15. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    It just would hang, and never respond. No idea why. Still don't know how
    Shane got that URL, but it worked!


    "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    news:%23ztZTNXnFHA.3312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > strange - it downloaded fine for me when I followed the instructions I
    > posted.... use Shane's link (it's the same place in the end)
    >
    > --
    > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >
    > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >
    > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >
    > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:2YSdnd2yOKyY1WTfRVn-uA@comcast.com...
    > > "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and Windows
    98
    > > Second Edition are being made available under extended support for
    > > critical
    > > security issues."
    > >
    > > Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab that
    > > file from Microsoft.
    > >
    > > Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
    > >
    > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > > news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > >> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an indicator
    > >> that
    > >> you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.
    > >>
    > >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    > >> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of Hidden
    AND
    > >> System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files,
    > >> using
    > >> your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is
    > >> first!)
    > >>
    > >> Let us know what's found
    > >>
    > >> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
    > >> Oh - no , you can't!! :( - it seems to be available only from Win ME's
    > >> Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
    > >> Try here, instead....
    > >> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise' link
    > >> on
    > >> the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your
    listing....
    > >> Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
    > >> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
    > >> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
    > >> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the
    "Contains
    > >> these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering,
    which
    > >> will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and install
    > >> the
    > >> patch from there
    > >>
    > >> See if that helps.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >>
    > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >>
    > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >>
    > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    NG's
    > >>
    > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
    > >> > That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject
    Search
    > >> > Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
    > >> >
    > >> > Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
    > >> > install
    > >> > it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
    > >> >
    > >> > But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the
    other
    > >> > stuff too, it's better, I guess.
    > >> >
    > >> > Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my
    > > login
    > >> > and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes
    the
    > >> > machine works, sometimes not.
    > >> >
    > >> > Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading at
    > > that
    > >> > time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting
    > >> > escape
    > >> > would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
    > >> >
    > >> > Thanks again for your help.
    > >> >
    > >> > Ted
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >> > news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
    > >> >> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
    > > reports
    > >> >> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as
    broken/missing
    > >> >> and
    > >> >> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then
    > >> > install
    > >> >> them.
    > >> >> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then
    run
    > > a
    > >> >> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
    > >> >> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
    > > report,
    > >> > and
    > >> >> post back with results.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --
    > >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >> >>
    > >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    > > NG's
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
    > >> >> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit
    too.
    > >> > That
    > >> >> > is
    > >> >> > problematic.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
    > >> >> > anything)
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> > news:dc2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
    > >> >> >> Well Noel,
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> and others under System devices.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under
    > > this
    > >> >> >> group, successfully.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
    > > deleted
    > >> > the
    > >> >> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices
    under
    > >> >> >> the
    > >> >> > USB
    > >> >> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
    > >> >> >> removed
    > >> > much
    > >> >> > of
    > >> >> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I
    > > think
    > >> > my
    > >> >> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on
    > > earth
    > >> >> >> I
    > >> >> > need
    > >> >> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the
    > >> >> >> Mrs
    > >> >> >> to
    > >> >> > get
    > >> >> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I
    > > don't
    > >> >> > like
    > >> >> >> it.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Sorry.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> And thanks for posting back.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really
    a
    > >> >> >> > last
    > >> >> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the
    > > system
    > >> > in
    > >> >> > a
    > >> >> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    > >> >> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
    > >> >> > installed
    > >> >> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer
    > > works
    > >> >> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that
    many
    > > of
    > >> >> >> > the
    > >> >> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    > >> >> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > Good Luck
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > --
    > >> >> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
    messages
    > > to
    > >> >> > NG's
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    > >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
    message
    > >> >> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
    > >> >> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of
    the
    > > OS
    > >> >> > over
    > >> >> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at
    > > all
    > >> >> >> > >> that
    > >> >> >> > > you've
    > >> >> >> > >> been having problems!!
    > >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    > >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups,
    rebooting
    > > to
    > >> >> >> Normal
    > >> >> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    > >> >> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >> >> >> > >> then reboot
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> System
    > >> >> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    > >> >> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
    > >> >> >> > >> System speaker
    > >> >> >> > >> System timer
    > >> >> >> > >> then reboot
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
    > >> >> >> > >> again,
    > >> >> > and
    > >> >> >> > > check
    > >> >> >> > >> for duplicates again
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
    > >> >> >> > >> Start |Run
    > >> >> >> > >> type
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> and click OK
    > >> >> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
    > >> >> >> > >> system
    > >> >> > behaves
    > >> >> >> > >> then.
    > >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> > > Will post, either way.
    > >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> --
    > >> >> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> >> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> > > Thanks Ted
    > >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
    > > messages
    > >> > to
    > >> >> >> NG's
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    > >> >> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a
    > >> >> >> > >> > while
    > >> >> >> > >> > in
    > >> >> >> > >> > safe
    > >> >> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
    > >> >> >> > >> > explicitly,
    > >> >> >> > >> > however
    > >> >> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine
    > >> >> >> > >> > locked
    > >> >> >> > >> > on
    > >> >> >> splash
    > >> >> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
    > > message
    > >> >> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    > >> >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    > >> >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
    > >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    > >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
    > > present
    > >> >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any
    required
    > >> >> > drivers.
    > >> >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
    > >> >> >> > >> >> Mode -
    > >> >> > Now
    > >> >> >> > > make
    > >> >> >> > >> >> a
    > >> >> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have
    > > yellow
    > >> > or
    > >> >> >> red
    > >> >> >> > >> > flags
    > >> >> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green
    > > flags.
    > >> >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
    > >> >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
    > >> >> >> > >> > ===============
    > >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Triplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
    > >> >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    > >> >> >> > >> > =================
    > >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
    > >> >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
    > >> >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> > Default Monitor
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    > >> >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Under System devices:
    > >> >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > System speaker
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > System timer
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    > >> >> >> > >> > ===============
    > >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    > >> >> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    > >> >> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    > >> >> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
    > >> >> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    > >> >> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    > >> >> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
    > >> > jacks)
    > >> >> >> > >> > Ports
    > >> >> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    > >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
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    "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:IaOdnTiOCaqcXWbfRVn-sg@comcast.com...
    > Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?


    Start the download (from Windows Update or Windows Update Catalog), cancel
    it, then look at the bottom of C:\Windows\Windows Update.log.

    Shane
  17. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    neat.

    "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:uhyH32rnFHA.2920@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >
    > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:IaOdnTiOCaqcXWbfRVn-sg@comcast.com...
    > > Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?
    >
    >
    > Start the download (from Windows Update or Windows Update Catalog),
    cancel
    > it, then look at the bottom of C:\Windows\Windows Update.log.
    >
    > Shane
    >
    >
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    Of course you have to be able to find it, first. Searching on 891711 got 0
    results. I didn't try it with the KB in front - maybe that would have worked
    (it certainly should have, but I suppose you searched on that string). But
    there aren't many updates for ME anymore, so I searched Critical Updates
    ordered by date and there it was (including the string 891711 in the title)!

    Shane

    "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:16qdnZ2dnZ3PK-PinZ2dncGdYd-dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com...
    > neat.
    >
    > "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:uhyH32rnFHA.2920@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:IaOdnTiOCaqcXWbfRVn-sg@comcast.com...
    >> > Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?
    >>
    >>
    >> Start the download (from Windows Update or Windows Update Catalog),
    > cancel
    >> it, then look at the bottom of C:\Windows\Windows Update.log.
    >>
    >> Shane
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
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    updating your scripting engine may help....
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A8A18F6-249C-4A72-BFCF-FC6AF26DC390&displaylang=en


    --
    Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

    Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

    http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

    Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

    "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:gdGdnSrvXaGzXWbfRVn-gg@comcast.com...
    > It just would hang, and never respond. No idea why. Still don't know how
    > Shane got that URL, but it worked!
    >
    >
    > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > news:%23ztZTNXnFHA.3312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    >> strange - it downloaded fine for me when I followed the instructions I
    >> posted.... use Shane's link (it's the same place in the end)
    >>
    >> --
    >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >>
    >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >>
    >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >>
    >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >>
    >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:2YSdnd2yOKyY1WTfRVn-uA@comcast.com...
    >> > "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and Windows
    > 98
    >> > Second Edition are being made available under extended support for
    >> > critical
    >> > security issues."
    >> >
    >> > Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab
    >> > that
    >> > file from Microsoft.
    >> >
    >> > Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
    >> >
    >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> > news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    >> >> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an indicator
    >> >> that
    >> >> you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.
    >> >>
    >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    >> >> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of Hidden
    > AND
    >> >> System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files,
    >> >> using
    >> >> your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is
    >> >> first!)
    >> >>
    >> >> Let us know what's found
    >> >>
    >> >> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
    >> >> Oh - no , you can't!! :( - it seems to be available only from Win ME's
    >> >> Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
    >> >> Try here, instead....
    >> >> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise'
    >> >> link
    >> >> on
    >> >> the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your
    > listing....
    >> >> Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
    >> >> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
    >> >> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
    >> >> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the
    > "Contains
    >> >> these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering,
    > which
    >> >> will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and install
    >> >> the
    >> >> patch from there
    >> >>
    >> >> See if that helps.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >>
    >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >> >>
    >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >> >>
    >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    > NG's
    >> >>
    >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
    >> >> > That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject
    > Search
    >> >> > Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
    >> >> > install
    >> >> > it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the
    > other
    >> >> > stuff too, it's better, I guess.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my
    >> > login
    >> >> > and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes
    > the
    >> >> > machine works, sometimes not.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading
    >> >> > at
    >> > that
    >> >> > time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting
    >> >> > escape
    >> >> > would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Thanks again for your help.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Ted
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> >> > news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    >> >> >> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
    >> >> >> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
    >> > reports
    >> >> >> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as
    > broken/missing
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then
    >> >> > install
    >> >> >> them.
    >> >> >> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then
    > run
    >> > a
    >> >> >> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
    >> >> >> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
    >> > report,
    >> >> > and
    >> >> >> post back with results.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --
    >> >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
    >> >> >> to
    >> > NG's
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
    >> >> >> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit
    > too.
    >> >> > That
    >> >> >> > is
    >> >> >> > problematic.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
    >> >> >> > anything)
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> > news:dc2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
    >> >> >> >> Well Noel,
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe
    >> >> >> >> mode.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> and others under System devices.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer
    >> >> >> >> under
    >> > this
    >> >> >> >> group, successfully.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
    >> > deleted
    >> >> > the
    >> >> >> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices
    > under
    >> >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> > USB
    >> >> >> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
    >> >> >> >> removed
    >> >> > much
    >> >> >> > of
    >> >> >> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I
    >> > think
    >> >> > my
    >> >> >> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on
    >> > earth
    >> >> >> >> I
    >> >> >> > need
    >> >> >> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the
    >> >> >> >> Mrs
    >> >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> > get
    >> >> >> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I
    >> > don't
    >> >> >> > like
    >> >> >> >> it.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Sorry.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> And thanks for posting back.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >> news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >> >> >> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really
    > a
    >> >> >> >> > last
    >> >> >> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the
    >> > system
    >> >> > in
    >> >> >> > a
    >> >> >> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    >> >> >> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had
    >> >> >> >> > IE6
    >> >> >> > installed
    >> >> >> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer
    >> > works
    >> >> >> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that
    > many
    >> > of
    >> >> >> >> > the
    >> >> >> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    >> >> >> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> > Good Luck
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> > --
    >> >> >> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> >> >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
    > messages
    >> > to
    >> >> >> > NG's
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    >> >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
    > message
    >> >> >> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    >> >> >> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
    >> >> >> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of
    > the
    >> > OS
    >> >> >> > over
    >> >> >> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise
    >> >> >> >> > >> at
    >> > all
    >> >> >> >> > >> that
    >> >> >> >> > > you've
    >> >> >> >> > >> been having problems!!
    >> >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    >> >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups,
    > rebooting
    >> > to
    >> >> >> >> Normal
    >> >> >> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    >> >> >> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >> >> >> >> > >> then reboot
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> System
    >> >> >> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    >> >> >> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
    >> >> >> >> > >> System speaker
    >> >> >> >> > >> System timer
    >> >> >> >> > >> then reboot
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
    >> >> >> >> > >> again,
    >> >> >> > and
    >> >> >> >> > > check
    >> >> >> >> > >> for duplicates again
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
    >> >> >> >> > >> Start |Run
    >> >> >> >> > >> type
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> and click OK
    >> >> >> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
    >> >> >> >> > >> system
    >> >> >> > behaves
    >> >> >> >> > >> then.
    >> >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> >> > > Will post, either way.
    >> >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> --
    >> >> >> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> >> > > Thanks Ted
    >> >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
    >> > messages
    >> >> > to
    >> >> >> >> NG's
    >> >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    >> >> >> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me
    >> >> >> >> > >> > a
    >> >> >> >> > >> > while
    >> >> >> >> > >> > in
    >> >> >> >> > >> > safe
    >> >> >> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
    >> >> >> >> > >> > explicitly,
    >> >> >> >> > >> > however
    >> >> >> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine
    >> >> >> >> > >> > locked
    >> >> >> >> > >> > on
    >> >> >> >> splash
    >> >> >> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
    >> > message
    >> >> >> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    >> >> >> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    >> >> >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    >> >> >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
    >> >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    >> >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
    >> > present
    >> >> >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any
    > required
    >> >> >> > drivers.
    >> >> >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
    >> >> >> >> > >> >> Mode -
    >> >> >> > Now
    >> >> >> >> > > make
    >> >> >> >> > >> >> a
    >> >> >> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have
    >> > yellow
    >> >> > or
    >> >> >> >> red
    >> >> >> >> > >> > flags
    >> >> >> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green
    >> > flags.
    >> >> >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
    >> >> >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> >>
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > ===============
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Triplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > =================
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Default Monitor
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Under System devices:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > System speaker
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > System timer
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    >> >> >> >> > >> > ===============
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2}
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Ethernet
    >> >> > jacks)
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Ports
    >> >> >> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    >> >> >> >> > >> >
    >> >> >> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
  20. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    searching on 891711 worked for me, Shane - no need for the KB

    --
    Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

    Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

    http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

    Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

    "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:O6aTiPwnFHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > Of course you have to be able to find it, first. Searching on 891711 got 0
    > results. I didn't try it with the KB in front - maybe that would have
    > worked (it certainly should have, but I suppose you searched on that
    > string). But there aren't many updates for ME anymore, so I searched
    > Critical Updates ordered by date and there it was (including the string
    > 891711 in the title)!
    >
    > Shane
    >
    > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:16qdnZ2dnZ3PK-PinZ2dncGdYd-dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com...
    >> neat.
    >>
    >> "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:uhyH32rnFHA.2920@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >>>
    >>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:IaOdnTiOCaqcXWbfRVn-sg@comcast.com...
    >>> > Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Start the download (from Windows Update or Windows Update Catalog),
    >> cancel
    >>> it, then look at the bottom of C:\Windows\Windows Update.log.
    >>>
    >>> Shane
    >>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
  21. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    I really doubt this is related, but I can't save my WU preferences anymore.
    I've tried it with all my security measures reversed, though it saved ok
    with them in place until recently anyway.


    Shane

    "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    news:eWWwwSwnFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > searching on 891711 worked for me, Shane - no need for the KB
    >
    > --
    > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >
    > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >
    > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >
    > "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:O6aTiPwnFHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    >> Of course you have to be able to find it, first. Searching on 891711 got
    >> 0 results. I didn't try it with the KB in front - maybe that would have
    >> worked (it certainly should have, but I suppose you searched on that
    >> string). But there aren't many updates for ME anymore, so I searched
    >> Critical Updates ordered by date and there it was (including the string
    >> 891711 in the title)!
    >>
    >> Shane
    >>
    >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:16qdnZ2dnZ3PK-PinZ2dncGdYd-dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com...
    >>> neat.
    >>>
    >>> "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:uhyH32rnFHA.2920@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >>>>
    >>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:IaOdnTiOCaqcXWbfRVn-sg@comcast.com...
    >>>> > Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Start the download (from Windows Update or Windows Update Catalog),
    >>> cancel
    >>>> it, then look at the bottom of C:\Windows\Windows Update.log.
    >>>>
    >>>> Shane
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
  22. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    Yes, just booted ME and tried again and it worked.


    Shane


    Noel Paton wrote:
    > searching on 891711 worked for me, Shane - no need for the KB
    >
    >
    > "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:O6aTiPwnFHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    >> Of course you have to be able to find it, first. Searching on 891711
    >> got 0 results. I didn't try it with the KB in front - maybe that
    >> would have worked (it certainly should have, but I suppose you
    >> searched on that string). But there aren't many updates for ME
    >> anymore, so I searched Critical Updates ordered by date and there it
    >> was (including the string 891711 in the title)!
    >>
    >> Shane
    >>
    >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:16qdnZ2dnZ3PK-PinZ2dncGdYd-dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com...
    >>> neat.
    >>>
    >>> "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:uhyH32rnFHA.2920@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    >>>>
    >>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:IaOdnTiOCaqcXWbfRVn-sg@comcast.com...
    >>>>> Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Start the download (from Windows Update or Windows Update
    >>>> Catalog), cancel it, then look at the bottom of C:\Windows\Windows
    >>>> Update.log.
    >>>>
    >>>> Shane
  23. Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

    Tat worked, thank-you. I reckon that's not part of MS regular updates. ?

    In any event, I did download and run that diskeeper lite. Hey, that worked,
    I think!! I'll try and post to that thread appropriately.

    "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    news:O6s0BRwnFHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > updating your scripting engine may help....
    >
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A8A18F6-249C-4A72-BFCF-FC6AF26DC390&displaylang=en
    >
    >
    > --
    > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    >
    > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    >
    > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
    >
    > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:gdGdnSrvXaGzXWbfRVn-gg@comcast.com...
    > > It just would hang, and never respond. No idea why. Still don't know
    how
    > > Shane got that URL, but it worked!
    > >
    > >
    > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > > news:%23ztZTNXnFHA.3312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
    > >> strange - it downloaded fine for me when I followed the instructions I
    > >> posted.... use Shane's link (it's the same place in the end)
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >>
    > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >>
    > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >>
    > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    NG's
    > >>
    > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:2YSdnd2yOKyY1WTfRVn-uA@comcast.com...
    > >> > "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and
    Windows
    > > 98
    > >> > Second Edition are being made available under extended support for
    > >> > critical
    > >> > security issues."
    > >> >
    > >> > Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab
    > >> > that
    > >> > file from Microsoft.
    > >> >
    > >> > Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
    > >> >
    > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >> > news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an
    indicator
    > >> >> that
    > >> >> you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    > >> >> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of
    Hidden
    > > AND
    > >> >> System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files,
    > >> >> using
    > >> >> your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is
    > >> >> first!)
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Let us know what's found
    > >> >>
    > >> >> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
    > >> >> Oh - no , you can't!! :( - it seems to be available only from Win
    ME's
    > >> >> Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
    > >> >> Try here, instead....
    > >> >> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise'
    > >> >> link
    > >> >> on
    > >> >> the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your
    > > listing....
    > >> >> Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
    > >> >> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
    > >> >> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
    > >> >> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the
    > > "Contains
    > >> >> these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering,
    > > which
    > >> >> will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and
    install
    > >> >> the
    > >> >> patch from there
    > >> >>
    > >> >> See if that helps.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --
    > >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >> >>
    > >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
    > > NG's
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
    > >> >> > That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject
    > > Search
    > >> >> > Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine
    to
    > >> >> > install
    > >> >> > it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the
    > > other
    > >> >> > stuff too, it's better, I guess.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get
    my
    > >> > login
    > >> >> > and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password)
    sometimes
    > > the
    > >> >> > machine works, sometimes not.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading
    > >> >> > at
    > >> > that
    > >> >> > time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days,
    hitting
    > >> >> > escape
    > >> >> > would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Thanks again for your help.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Ted
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> > news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> >> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
    > >> >> >> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
    > >> > reports
    > >> >> >> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as
    > > broken/missing
    > >> >> >> and
    > >> >> >> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there,
    then
    > >> >> > install
    > >> >> >> them.
    > >> >> >> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and
    then
    > > run
    > >> > a
    > >> >> >> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
    > >> >> >> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
    > >> > report,
    > >> >> > and
    > >> >> >> post back with results.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> --
    > >> >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
    > >> >> >> to
    > >> > NG's
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
    > >> >> >> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit
    > > too.
    > >> >> > That
    > >> >> >> > is
    > >> >> >> > problematic.
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not
    doing
    > >> >> >> > anything)
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> > news:dc2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
    > >> >> >> >> Well Noel,
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe
    > >> >> >> >> mode.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> and others under System devices.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer
    > >> >> >> >> under
    > >> > this
    > >> >> >> >> group, successfully.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
    > >> > deleted
    > >> >> > the
    > >> >> >> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices
    > > under
    > >> >> >> >> the
    > >> >> >> > USB
    > >> >> >> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
    > >> >> >> >> removed
    > >> >> > much
    > >> >> >> > of
    > >> >> >> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as
    I
    > >> > think
    > >> >> > my
    > >> >> >> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why
    on
    > >> > earth
    > >> >> >> >> I
    > >> >> >> > need
    > >> >> >> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for
    the
    > >> >> >> >> Mrs
    > >> >> >> >> to
    > >> >> >> > get
    > >> >> >> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise
    I
    > >> > don't
    > >> >> >> > like
    > >> >> >> >> it.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> Sorry.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> And thanks for posting back.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> >> news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> >> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is
    really
    > > a
    > >> >> >> >> > last
    > >> >> >> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave
    the
    > >> > system
    > >> >> > in
    > >> >> >> > a
    > >> >> >> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
    > >> >> >> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had
    > >> >> >> >> > IE6
    > >> >> >> > installed
    > >> >> >> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no
    longer
    > >> > works
    > >> >> >> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that
    > > many
    > >> > of
    > >> >> >> >> > the
    > >> >> >> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
    > >> >> >> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager
    sorted.
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > Good Luck
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > --
    > >> >> >> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> >> >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
    > > messages
    > >> > to
    > >> >> >> > NG's
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
    > >> >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
    > > message
    > >> >> >> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> >> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
    > >> >> >> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall
    of
    > > the
    > >> > OS
    > >> >> >> > over
    > >> >> >> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise
    > >> >> >> >> > >> at
    > >> > all
    > >> >> >> >> > >> that
    > >> >> >> >> > > you've
    > >> >> >> >> > >> been having problems!!
    > >> >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
    > >> >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups,
    > > rebooting
    > >> > to
    > >> >> >> >> Normal
    > >> >> >> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe
    Mode.
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
    > >> >> >> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >> >> >> >> > >> then reboot
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> System
    > >> >> >> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
    > >> >> >> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
    > >> >> >> >> > >> System speaker
    > >> >> >> >> > >> System timer
    > >> >> >> >> > >> then reboot
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe
    Mode
    > >> >> >> >> > >> again,
    > >> >> >> > and
    > >> >> >> >> > > check
    > >> >> >> >> > >> for duplicates again
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
    > >> >> >> >> > >> Start |Run
    > >> >> >> >> > >> type
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> and click OK
    > >> >> >> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
    > >> >> >> >> > >> system
    > >> >> >> > behaves
    > >> >> >> >> > >> then.
    > >> >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> >> > > Will post, either way.
    > >> >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> --
    > >> >> >> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
    > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> >> > > Thanks Ted
    > >> >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
    > >> > messages
    > >> >> > to
    > >> >> >> >> NG's
    > >> >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took
    me
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > a
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > while
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > in
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > safe
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > explicitly,
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > however
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > locked
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > on
    > >> >> >> >> splash
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
    > >> > message
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
    > >> > present
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any
    > > required
    > >> >> >> > drivers.
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into
    Safe
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Mode -
    > >> >> >> > Now
    > >> >> >> >> > > make
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >> a
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or
    have
    > >> > yellow
    > >> >> > or
    > >> >> >> >> red
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > flags
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green
    > >> > flags.
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > ===============
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Triplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > =================
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Default Monitor
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Under System devices:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > System speaker
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > System timer
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > ===============
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2}
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Ethernet
    > >> >> > jacks)
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Ports
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
    > >> >> >> >> > >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
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