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Anonymous
July 29, 2005 3:22:11 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to save a
file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along, ever so
slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when I
download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location, or
stuff.

It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my hard
disk, too.

My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program called
TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the office's
AR system where she works.

So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with spyware
programs and such.

Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the "Explorer"
function within the Operating System that is WinME.

I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched hard
drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it likely
wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing this one
function (or would it?).

Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half more so
than me, unfortunately.

As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your impatient,
anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and copyright
that, because by my typing it, I just did)

I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I didn't
recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle processes.
(But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)

TIA

Mr Curious
Anonymous
July 30, 2005 12:58:32 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

I suspect that you have driver problems......

Reboot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present

Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.

Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now make a
note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red flags
against them - and another set for any that have green flags.

post back with your results.


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to save
> a
> file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along, ever
> so
> slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when I
> download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location, or
> stuff.
>
> It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my hard
> disk, too.
>
> My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program called
> TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the office's
> AR system where she works.
>
> So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with spyware
> programs and such.
>
> Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
> "Explorer"
> function within the Operating System that is WinME.
>
> I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched hard
> drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
> likely
> wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing this
> one
> function (or would it?).
>
> Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half more so
> than me, unfortunately.
>
> As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your impatient,
> anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
> copyright
> that, because by my typing it, I just did)
>
> I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
> didn't
> recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle processes.
> (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)
>
> TIA
>
> Mr Curious
>
>
Anonymous
July 30, 2005 3:52:30 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in safe
mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly, however
only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on splash
screen, so had to hit reset button.

"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> I suspect that you have driver problems......
>
> Reboot to Safe Mode
> Open Device Manager
> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
>
> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.
>
> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now make a
> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red
flags
> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
>
> post back with your results.
>
>
Under CDROM:
===============
Duplicated:
ATAPI CDROM

Triplicated:
Generic DVD RW 8XMax

Quadruplicated:
TEAC CD-W54E

Under Disk drives:
================
Duplicated:
GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47

GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK

Quadruplicated:
IOMEGA ZIP 100

Duplicated:
WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0

Under Hard Disk Controllers:
=================
Duplicated:
Primary IDE controller (single fifo)

Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)

Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller

Under keyboard:
================
Duplicated:
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard

Under Monitor:
================
Duplicated:
Default Monitor

Under Sound, video and game controllers:
================
Duplicated:
Gameport Joystick

Under System devices:
================
Quadruplicated:
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering

Duplicated:
Direct memory access controller

Numerica data processor

Programable interupt controller

System CMOS/real time clock

System speaker

System timer

Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
===============
Duplicated:

USB Root Hub

VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller

++++++++++++++++

Not having any duplicates nor warnings:

BTW (bluetooth controller)
Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
Floppy Disk Controllers
Modem (ext. sportster attached)
Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
Ports
SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)

+++++++++++++++++

Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!

(Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)


> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to
save
> > a
> > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along, ever
> > so
> > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when I
> > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location, or
> > stuff.
> >
> > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my
hard
> > disk, too.
> >
> > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program called
> > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the
office's
> > AR system where she works.
> >
> > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with spyware
> > programs and such.
> >
> > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
> > "Explorer"
> > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
> >
> > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched hard
> > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
> > likely
> > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing this
> > one
> > function (or would it?).
> >
> > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half more
so
> > than me, unfortunately.
> >
> > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your impatient,
> > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
> > copyright
> > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
> >
> > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
> > didn't
> > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
processes.
> > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Mr Curious
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
July 30, 2005 10:58:08 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

Oh, boy!!
That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS over
itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that you've
been having problems!!

Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to Normal
Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.

CD-ROM remove all, then reboot

Disk Drives - remove ALL,
HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
then reboot

System
- Remove ONLY the following:-
System CMOS/real time clock
System speaker
System timer
then reboot


Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again, and check
for duplicates again

If there's none there, go to
Start |Run
type

SCANREG /FIX

and click OK
Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system behaves
then.


HTH, and good luck


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in safe
> mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
> however
> only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on splash
> screen, so had to hit reset button.
>
> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> I suspect that you have driver problems......
>>
>> Reboot to Safe Mode
>> Open Device Manager
>> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
>> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
>>
>> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.
>>
>> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now make
>> a
>> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red
> flags
>> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
>>
>> post back with your results.
>>
>>
> Under CDROM:
> ===============
> Duplicated:
> ATAPI CDROM
>
> Triplicated:
> Generic DVD RW 8XMax
>
> Quadruplicated:
> TEAC CD-W54E
>
> Under Disk drives:
> ================
> Duplicated:
> GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
>
> GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
>
> Quadruplicated:
> IOMEGA ZIP 100
>
> Duplicated:
> WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
>
> Under Hard Disk Controllers:
> =================
> Duplicated:
> Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
>
> Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
>
> Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>
> Under keyboard:
> ================
> Duplicated:
> Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
>
> Under Monitor:
> ================
> Duplicated:
> Default Monitor
>
> Under Sound, video and game controllers:
> ================
> Duplicated:
> Gameport Joystick
>
> Under System devices:
> ================
> Quadruplicated:
> ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
>
> Duplicated:
> Direct memory access controller
>
> Numerica data processor
>
> Programable interupt controller
>
> System CMOS/real time clock
>
> System speaker
>
> System timer
>
> Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
> ===============
> Duplicated:
>
> USB Root Hub
>
> VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
>
> ++++++++++++++++
>
> Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
>
> BTW (bluetooth controller)
> Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
> Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
> Floppy Disk Controllers
> Modem (ext. sportster attached)
> Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
> Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
> Ports
> SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
>
> +++++++++++++++++
>
> Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
>
> (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
>
>> --
>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>
>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>
>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>>
>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
>> > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to
> save
>> > a
>> > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along,
>> > ever
>> > so
>> > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when I
>> > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location, or
>> > stuff.
>> >
>> > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my
> hard
>> > disk, too.
>> >
>> > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program
>> > called
>> > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the
> office's
>> > AR system where she works.
>> >
>> > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with spyware
>> > programs and such.
>> >
>> > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
>> > "Explorer"
>> > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
>> >
>> > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched hard
>> > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
>> > likely
>> > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing this
>> > one
>> > function (or would it?).
>> >
>> > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half more
> so
>> > than me, unfortunately.
>> >
>> > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your impatient,
>> > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
>> > copyright
>> > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
>> >
>> > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
>> > didn't
>> > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
> processes.
>> > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)
>> >
>> > TIA
>> >
>> > Mr Curious
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
July 30, 2005 10:58:09 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Oh, boy!!
> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS over
> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that
you've
> been having problems!!

Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?

>
> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to Normal
> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
>
> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
>
> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> then reboot
>
> System
> - Remove ONLY the following:-
> System CMOS/real time clock
> System speaker
> System timer
> then reboot
>
>
> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again, and
check
> for duplicates again
>
> If there's none there, go to
> Start |Run
> type
>
> SCANREG /FIX
>
> and click OK
> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system behaves
> then.

Will post, either way.

>
>
> HTH, and good luck
>
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>

Thanks Ted

> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in safe
> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
> > however
> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on splash
> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
> >
> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
> >>
> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
> >> Open Device Manager
> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
> >>
> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.
> >>
> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now
make
> >> a
> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red
> > flags
> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
> >>
> >> post back with your results.
> >>
> >>
> > Under CDROM:
> > ===============
> > Duplicated:
> > ATAPI CDROM
> >
> > Triplicated:
> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
> >
> > Quadruplicated:
> > TEAC CD-W54E
> >
> > Under Disk drives:
> > ================
> > Duplicated:
> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
> >
> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
> >
> > Quadruplicated:
> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
> >
> > Duplicated:
> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
> >
> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
> > =================
> > Duplicated:
> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >
> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >
> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >
> > Under keyboard:
> > ================
> > Duplicated:
> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
> >
> > Under Monitor:
> > ================
> > Duplicated:
> > Default Monitor
> >
> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
> > ================
> > Duplicated:
> > Gameport Joystick
> >
> > Under System devices:
> > ================
> > Quadruplicated:
> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
> >
> > Duplicated:
> > Direct memory access controller
> >
> > Numerica data processor
> >
> > Programable interupt controller
> >
> > System CMOS/real time clock
> >
> > System speaker
> >
> > System timer
> >
> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
> > ===============
> > Duplicated:
> >
> > USB Root Hub
> >
> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++
> >
> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
> >
> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
> > Floppy Disk Controllers
> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
> > Ports
> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
> >
> > +++++++++++++++++
> >
> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
> >
> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >
> >
> >> --
> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >>
> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >>
> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
> >>
> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> >> > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to
> > save
> >> > a
> >> > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along,
> >> > ever
> >> > so
> >> > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when
I
> >> > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location,
or
> >> > stuff.
> >> >
> >> > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my
> > hard
> >> > disk, too.
> >> >
> >> > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program
> >> > called
> >> > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the
> > office's
> >> > AR system where she works.
> >> >
> >> > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with
spyware
> >> > programs and such.
> >> >
> >> > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
> >> > "Explorer"
> >> > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
> >> >
> >> > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched
hard
> >> > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
> >> > likely
> >> > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing
this
> >> > one
> >> > function (or would it?).
> >> >
> >> > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half
more
> > so
> >> > than me, unfortunately.
> >> >
> >> > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your
impatient,
> >> > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
> >> > copyright
> >> > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
> >> >
> >> > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
> >> > didn't
> >> > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
> > processes.
> >> > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)
> >> >
> >> > TIA
> >> >
> >> > Mr Curious
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
July 31, 2005 2:10:45 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system in a
worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6 installed
when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of the
Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.

Good Luck

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
>
> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Oh, boy!!
>> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS over
>> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that
> you've
>> been having problems!!
>
> Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
>
>>
>> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to Normal
>> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
>>
>> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
>>
>> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
>> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>> then reboot
>>
>> System
>> - Remove ONLY the following:-
>> System CMOS/real time clock
>> System speaker
>> System timer
>> then reboot
>>
>>
>> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again, and
> check
>> for duplicates again
>>
>> If there's none there, go to
>> Start |Run
>> type
>>
>> SCANREG /FIX
>>
>> and click OK
>> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system behaves
>> then.
>
> Will post, either way.
>
>>
>>
>> HTH, and good luck
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>
>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>
>
> Thanks Ted
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>
>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>>
>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
>> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in
>> > safe
>> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
>> > however
>> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on splash
>> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
>> >
>> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
>> >>
>> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
>> >> Open Device Manager
>> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
>> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
>> >>
>> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.
>> >>
>> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now
> make
>> >> a
>> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red
>> > flags
>> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
>> >>
>> >> post back with your results.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Under CDROM:
>> > ===============
>> > Duplicated:
>> > ATAPI CDROM
>> >
>> > Triplicated:
>> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
>> >
>> > Quadruplicated:
>> > TEAC CD-W54E
>> >
>> > Under Disk drives:
>> > ================
>> > Duplicated:
>> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
>> >
>> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
>> >
>> > Quadruplicated:
>> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
>> >
>> > Duplicated:
>> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
>> >
>> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
>> > =================
>> > Duplicated:
>> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
>> >
>> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
>> >
>> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>> >
>> > Under keyboard:
>> > ================
>> > Duplicated:
>> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
>> >
>> > Under Monitor:
>> > ================
>> > Duplicated:
>> > Default Monitor
>> >
>> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
>> > ================
>> > Duplicated:
>> > Gameport Joystick
>> >
>> > Under System devices:
>> > ================
>> > Quadruplicated:
>> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
>> >
>> > Duplicated:
>> > Direct memory access controller
>> >
>> > Numerica data processor
>> >
>> > Programable interupt controller
>> >
>> > System CMOS/real time clock
>> >
>> > System speaker
>> >
>> > System timer
>> >
>> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
>> > ===============
>> > Duplicated:
>> >
>> > USB Root Hub
>> >
>> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
>> >
>> > ++++++++++++++++
>> >
>> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
>> >
>> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
>> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
>> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
>> > Floppy Disk Controllers
>> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
>> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
>> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
>> > Ports
>> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
>> >
>> > +++++++++++++++++
>> >
>> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
>> >
>> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >
>> >
>> >> --
>> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >>
>> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >>
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >>
>> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
> NG's
>> >>
>> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
>> >> > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying
>> >> > to
>> > save
>> >> > a
>> >> > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along,
>> >> > ever
>> >> > so
>> >> > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens
>> >> > when
> I
>> >> > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location,
> or
>> >> > stuff.
>> >> >
>> >> > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of
>> >> > my
>> > hard
>> >> > disk, too.
>> >> >
>> >> > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program
>> >> > called
>> >> > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the
>> > office's
>> >> > AR system where she works.
>> >> >
>> >> > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with
> spyware
>> >> > programs and such.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
>> >> > "Explorer"
>> >> > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched
> hard
>> >> > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
>> >> > likely
>> >> > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing
> this
>> >> > one
>> >> > function (or would it?).
>> >> >
>> >> > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half
> more
>> > so
>> >> > than me, unfortunately.
>> >> >
>> >> > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your
> impatient,
>> >> > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
>> >> > copyright
>> >> > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
>> >> >
>> >> > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
>> >> > didn't
>> >> > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
>> > processes.
>> >> > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)
>> >> >
>> >> > TIA
>> >> >
>> >> > Mr Curious
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
July 31, 2005 12:37:10 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

Well Noel,

I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.

Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the

ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering

and others under System devices.

But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
group, successfully.

I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted the
few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under the USB
root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.

The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed much of
the extra garbage under system devices.

I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think my
updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth I need
a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.

So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.

As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs to get
to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't like
it.

Sorry.

And thanks for posting back.



"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:o 2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
> resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system in a
> worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
> Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6 installed
> when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
> properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of the
> Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
> we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
>
> Good Luck
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> Oh, boy!!
> >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS over
> >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that
> > you've
> >> been having problems!!
> >
> > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
> >
> >>
> >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to
Normal
> >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
> >>
> >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
> >>
> >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
> >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >> then reboot
> >>
> >> System
> >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
> >> System CMOS/real time clock
> >> System speaker
> >> System timer
> >> then reboot
> >>
> >>
> >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again, and
> > check
> >> for duplicates again
> >>
> >> If there's none there, go to
> >> Start |Run
> >> type
> >>
> >> SCANREG /FIX
> >>
> >> and click OK
> >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system behaves
> >> then.
> >
> > Will post, either way.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> HTH, and good luck
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >>
> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >>
> >
> > Thanks Ted
> >
> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >>
> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
> >>
> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in
> >> > safe
> >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
> >> > however
> >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on
splash
> >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
> >> >
> >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
> >> >>
> >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
> >> >> Open Device Manager
> >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
> >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
> >> >>
> >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now
> > make
> >> >> a
> >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or
red
> >> > flags
> >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
> >> >>
> >> >> post back with your results.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > Under CDROM:
> >> > ===============
> >> > Duplicated:
> >> > ATAPI CDROM
> >> >
> >> > Triplicated:
> >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
> >> >
> >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> > TEAC CD-W54E
> >> >
> >> > Under Disk drives:
> >> > ================
> >> > Duplicated:
> >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
> >> >
> >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
> >> >
> >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
> >> >
> >> > Duplicated:
> >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
> >> >
> >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
> >> > =================
> >> > Duplicated:
> >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >> >
> >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >> >
> >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >> >
> >> > Under keyboard:
> >> > ================
> >> > Duplicated:
> >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
> >> >
> >> > Under Monitor:
> >> > ================
> >> > Duplicated:
> >> > Default Monitor
> >> >
> >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
> >> > ================
> >> > Duplicated:
> >> > Gameport Joystick
> >> >
> >> > Under System devices:
> >> > ================
> >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
> >> >
> >> > Duplicated:
> >> > Direct memory access controller
> >> >
> >> > Numerica data processor
> >> >
> >> > Programable interupt controller
> >> >
> >> > System CMOS/real time clock
> >> >
> >> > System speaker
> >> >
> >> > System timer
> >> >
> >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
> >> > ===============
> >> > Duplicated:
> >> >
> >> > USB Root Hub
> >> >
> >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> >> >
> >> > ++++++++++++++++
> >> >
> >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
> >> >
> >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
> >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
> >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
> >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
> >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
> >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
> >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
> >> > Ports
> >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
> >> >
> >> > +++++++++++++++++
> >> >
> >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
> >> >
> >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> --
> >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >>
> >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >>
> >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
> > NG's
> >> >>
> >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> >> >> > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying
> >> >> > to
> >> > save
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls
along,
> >> >> > ever
> >> >> > so
> >> >> > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens
> >> >> > when
> > I
> >> >> > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a
location,
> > or
> >> >> > stuff.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of
> >> >> > my
> >> > hard
> >> >> > disk, too.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program
> >> >> > called
> >> >> > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the
> >> > office's
> >> >> > AR system where she works.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with
> > spyware
> >> >> > programs and such.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
> >> >> > "Explorer"
> >> >> > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched
> > hard
> >> >> > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem
it
> >> >> > likely
> >> >> > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing
> > this
> >> >> > one
> >> >> > function (or would it?).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half
> > more
> >> > so
> >> >> > than me, unfortunately.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your
> > impatient,
> >> >> > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
> >> >> > copyright
> >> >> > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but
I
> >> >> > didn't
> >> >> > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
> >> > processes.
> >> >> > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown
there)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > TIA
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mr Curious
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
July 31, 2005 1:19:08 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too. That is
problematic.

(It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing anything)

"ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:D c2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
> Well Noel,
>
> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
>
> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
>
> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
>
> and others under System devices.
>
> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
> group, successfully.
>
> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted the
> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under the
USB
> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
>
> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed much
of
> the extra garbage under system devices.
>
> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think my
> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth I
need
> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
>
> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
>
> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs to
get
> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't
like
> it.
>
> Sorry.
>
> And thanks for posting back.
>
>
>
> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:o 2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system in
a
> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
installed
> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of the
> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
> >
> > Good Luck
> >
> > --
> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >
> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >
> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
> >
> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> > >
> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > >> Oh, boy!!
> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS
over
> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that
> > > you've
> > >> been having problems!!
> > >
> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to
> Normal
> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
> > >>
> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
> > >>
> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> > >> then reboot
> > >>
> > >> System
> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
> > >> System speaker
> > >> System timer
> > >> then reboot
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again,
and
> > > check
> > >> for duplicates again
> > >>
> > >> If there's none there, go to
> > >> Start |Run
> > >> type
> > >>
> > >> SCANREG /FIX
> > >>
> > >> and click OK
> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system
behaves
> > >> then.
> > >
> > > Will post, either way.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> HTH, and good luck
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> > >>
> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> > >>
> > >
> > > Thanks Ted
> > >
> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> > >>
> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
> NG's
> > >>
> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in
> > >> > safe
> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
> > >> > however
> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on
> splash
> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
> > >> >
> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
> > >> >> Open Device Manager
> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
drivers.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode -
Now
> > > make
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or
> red
> > >> > flags
> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> post back with your results.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> > Under CDROM:
> > >> > ===============
> > >> > Duplicated:
> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
> > >> >
> > >> > Triplicated:
> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
> > >> >
> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
> > >> >
> > >> > Under Disk drives:
> > >> > ================
> > >> > Duplicated:
> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
> > >> >
> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
> > >> >
> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
> > >> >
> > >> > Duplicated:
> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
> > >> >
> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
> > >> > =================
> > >> > Duplicated:
> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
> > >> >
> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
> > >> >
> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> > >> >
> > >> > Under keyboard:
> > >> > ================
> > >> > Duplicated:
> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
> > >> >
> > >> > Under Monitor:
> > >> > ================
> > >> > Duplicated:
> > >> > Default Monitor
> > >> >
> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
> > >> > ================
> > >> > Duplicated:
> > >> > Gameport Joystick
> > >> >
> > >> > Under System devices:
> > >> > ================
> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
> > >> >
> > >> > Duplicated:
> > >> > Direct memory access controller
> > >> >
> > >> > Numerica data processor
> > >> >
> > >> > Programable interupt controller
> > >> >
> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
> > >> >
> > >> > System speaker
> > >> >
> > >> > System timer
> > >> >
> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
> > >> > ===============
> > >> > Duplicated:
> > >> >
> > >> > USB Root Hub
> > >> >
> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> > >> >
> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
> > >> >
> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
> > >> >
> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
> > >> > Ports
> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
> > >> >
> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
> > >> >
> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> > >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> > >> >>
> > >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
to
> > > NG's
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:ZradnUcrBc0w1HffRVn-vw@comcast.com...
> > >> >> > I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am
trying
> > >> >> > to
> > >> > save
> > >> >> > a
> > >> >> > file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls
> along,
> > >> >> > ever
> > >> >> > so
> > >> >> > slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens
> > >> >> > when
> > > I
> > >> >> > download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a
> location,
> > > or
> > >> >> > stuff.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents
of
> > >> >> > my
> > >> > hard
> > >> >> > disk, too.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a
program
> > >> >> > called
> > >> >> > TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents
the
> > >> > office's
> > >> >> > AR system where she works.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with
> > > spyware
> > >> >> > programs and such.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using
the
> > >> >> > "Explorer"
> > >> >> > function within the Operating System that is WinME.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I have other problems with the machine as well, such as
mismatched
> > > hard
> > >> >> > drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the
problem
> it
> > >> >> > likely
> > >> >> > wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just
performing
> > > this
> > >> >> > one
> > >> >> > function (or would it?).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better
half
> > > more
> > >> > so
> > >> >> > than me, unfortunately.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your
> > > impatient,
> > >> >> > anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try
and
> > >> >> > copyright
> > >> >> > that, because by my typing it, I just did)
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great,
but
> I
> > >> >> > didn't
> > >> >> > recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
> > >> > processes.
> > >> >> > (But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown
> there)
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > TIA
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Mr Curious
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
August 1, 2005 12:45:59 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it reports
about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as broken/missing and
go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then install
them.
Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then run a
full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they report, and
post back with results.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too. That
> is
> problematic.
>
> (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
> anything)
>
> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:D c2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
>> Well Noel,
>>
>> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
>>
>> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
>>
>> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
>>
>> and others under System devices.
>>
>> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
>> group, successfully.
>>
>> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted the
>> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under the
> USB
>> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
>>
>> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed much
> of
>> the extra garbage under system devices.
>>
>> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think my
>> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth I
> need
>> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
>>
>> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
>>
>> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs to
> get
>> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't
> like
>> it.
>>
>> Sorry.
>>
>> And thanks for posting back.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:o 2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
>> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system in
> a
>> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
>> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
> installed
>> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
>> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of
>> > the
>> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
>> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
>> >
>> > Good Luck
>> >
>> > --
>> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >
>> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >
>> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
> NG's
>> >
>> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
>> > >
>> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > >> Oh, boy!!
>> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS
> over
>> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all
>> > >> that
>> > > you've
>> > >> been having problems!!
>> > >
>> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to
>> Normal
>> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
>> > >>
>> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
>> > >>
>> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
>> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>> > >> then reboot
>> > >>
>> > >> System
>> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
>> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
>> > >> System speaker
>> > >> System timer
>> > >> then reboot
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again,
> and
>> > > check
>> > >> for duplicates again
>> > >>
>> > >> If there's none there, go to
>> > >> Start |Run
>> > >> type
>> > >>
>> > >> SCANREG /FIX
>> > >>
>> > >> and click OK
>> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system
> behaves
>> > >> then.
>> > >
>> > > Will post, either way.
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> HTH, and good luck
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> > >>
>> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > Thanks Ted
>> > >
>> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> > >>
>> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
>> NG's
>> > >>
>> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
>> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while
>> > >> > in
>> > >> > safe
>> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
>> > >> > explicitly,
>> > >> > however
>> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on
>> splash
>> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
>> > >> >> Open Device Manager
>> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
>> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
> drivers.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode -
> Now
>> > > make
>> > >> >> a
>> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or
>> red
>> > >> > flags
>> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> post back with your results.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> > Under CDROM:
>> > >> > ===============
>> > >> > Duplicated:
>> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Triplicated:
>> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Quadruplicated:
>> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Under Disk drives:
>> > >> > ================
>> > >> > Duplicated:
>> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
>> > >> >
>> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Quadruplicated:
>> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Duplicated:
>> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
>> > >> > =================
>> > >> > Duplicated:
>> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Under keyboard:
>> > >> > ================
>> > >> > Duplicated:
>> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Under Monitor:
>> > >> > ================
>> > >> > Duplicated:
>> > >> > Default Monitor
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
>> > >> > ================
>> > >> > Duplicated:
>> > >> > Gameport Joystick
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Under System devices:
>> > >> > ================
>> > >> > Quadruplicated:
>> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Duplicated:
>> > >> > Direct memory access controller
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Numerica data processor
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Programable interupt controller
>> > >> >
>> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
>> > >> >
>> > >> > System speaker
>> > >> >
>> > >> > System timer
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
>> > >> > ===============
>> > >> > Duplicated:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > USB Root Hub
>> > >> >
>> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
>> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
>> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
>> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
>> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
>> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
>> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
>> > >> > Ports
>> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
>> > >> >
>> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
>> > >> >
>> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
Anonymous
August 9, 2005 6:40:44 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject Search
Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....

Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to install
it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.

But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the other
stuff too, it's better, I guess.

Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my login
and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes the
machine works, sometimes not.

Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading at that
time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting escape
would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.

Thanks again for your help.

Ted



"Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it reports
> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as broken/missing and
> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then
install
> them.
> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then run a
> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they report,
and
> post back with results.
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too.
That
> > is
> > problematic.
> >
> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
> > anything)
> >
> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:D c2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
> >> Well Noel,
> >>
> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
> >>
> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
> >>
> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
> >>
> >> and others under System devices.
> >>
> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
> >> group, successfully.
> >>
> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted
the
> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under the
> > USB
> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
> >>
> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed
much
> > of
> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
> >>
> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think
my
> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth I
> > need
> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
> >>
> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
> >>
> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs to
> > get
> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't
> > like
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Sorry.
> >>
> >> And thanks for posting back.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> news:o 2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system
in
> > a
> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
> > installed
> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of
> >> > the
> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
> >> >
> >> > Good Luck
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >
> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >
> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
> > NG's
> >> >
> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> >> > >
> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS
> > over
> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all
> >> > >> that
> >> > > you've
> >> > >> been having problems!!
> >> > >
> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to
> >> Normal
> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >> > >> then reboot
> >> > >>
> >> > >> System
> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
> >> > >> System speaker
> >> > >> System timer
> >> > >> then reboot
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again,
> > and
> >> > > check
> >> > >> for duplicates again
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
> >> > >> Start |Run
> >> > >> type
> >> > >>
> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
> >> > >>
> >> > >> and click OK
> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system
> > behaves
> >> > >> then.
> >> > >
> >> > > Will post, either way.
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks Ted
> >> > >
> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
to
> >> NG's
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while
> >> > >> > in
> >> > >> > safe
> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
> >> > >> > explicitly,
> >> > >> > however
> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on
> >> splash
> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
> > drivers.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode -
> > Now
> >> > > make
> >> > >> >> a
> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow
or
> >> red
> >> > >> > flags
> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
> >> > >> > ===============
> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Triplicated:
> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
> >> > >> > ================
> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
> >> > >> > =================
> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
> >> > >> > ================
> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
> >> > >> > ================
> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> > >> > Default Monitor
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
> >> > >> > ================
> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Under System devices:
> >> > >> > ================
> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > System speaker
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > System timer
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
> >> > >> > ===============
> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
jacks)
> >> > >> > Ports
> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
Anonymous
August 9, 2005 11:59:49 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an indicator that
you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.

Reboot to Safe Mode
Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of Hidden AND
System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files, using
your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is first!)

Let us know what's found

You can download the 891711 patch from here....
Oh - no , you can't!! :(  - it seems to be available only from Win ME's
Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
Try here, instead....
Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise' link on
the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your listing....
Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the "Contains
these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering, which
will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and install the
patch from there

See if that helps.


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
> That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject Search
> Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
>
> Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
> install
> it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
>
> But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the other
> stuff too, it's better, I guess.
>
> Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my login
> and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes the
> machine works, sometimes not.
>
> Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading at that
> time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting
> escape
> would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> Ted
>
>
>
> "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
>> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it reports
>> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as broken/missing
>> and
>> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then
> install
>> them.
>> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then run a
>> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
>> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they report,
> and
>> post back with results.
>>
>> --
>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>
>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>
>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>>
>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
>> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too.
> That
>> > is
>> > problematic.
>> >
>> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
>> > anything)
>> >
>> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:D c2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
>> >> Well Noel,
>> >>
>> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
>> >>
>> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
>> >>
>> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
>> >>
>> >> and others under System devices.
>> >>
>> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
>> >> group, successfully.
>> >>
>> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted
> the
>> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under
>> >> the
>> > USB
>> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
>> >>
>> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed
> much
>> > of
>> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
>> >>
>> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think
> my
>> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth
>> >> I
>> > need
>> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
>> >>
>> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
>> >>
>> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs
>> >> to
>> > get
>> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't
>> > like
>> >> it.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry.
>> >>
>> >> And thanks for posting back.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:o 2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a
>> >> > last
>> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system
> in
>> > a
>> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
>> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
>> > installed
>> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
>> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of
>> >> > the
>> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
>> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
>> >> >
>> >> > Good Luck
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >> >
>> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >> >
>> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
>> > NG's
>> >> >
>> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
>> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS
>> > over
>> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all
>> >> > >> that
>> >> > > you've
>> >> > >> been having problems!!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to
>> >> Normal
>> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
>> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>> >> > >> then reboot
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> System
>> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
>> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
>> >> > >> System speaker
>> >> > >> System timer
>> >> > >> then reboot
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
>> >> > >> again,
>> > and
>> >> > > check
>> >> > >> for duplicates again
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
>> >> > >> Start |Run
>> >> > >> type
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> and click OK
>> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system
>> > behaves
>> >> > >> then.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Will post, either way.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> --
>> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks Ted
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
> to
>> >> NG's
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
>> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a
>> >> > >> > while
>> >> > >> > in
>> >> > >> > safe
>> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
>> >> > >> > explicitly,
>> >> > >> > however
>> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked
>> >> > >> > on
>> >> splash
>> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
>> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
>> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
>> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
>> > drivers.
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
>> >> > >> >> Mode -
>> > Now
>> >> > > make
>> >> > >> >> a
>> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow
> or
>> >> red
>> >> > >> > flags
>> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green flags.
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
>> >> > >> > ===============
>> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Triplicated:
>> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
>> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
>> >> > >> > ================
>> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
>> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
>> >> > >> > =================
>> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
>> >> > >> > ================
>> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
>> >> > >> > ================
>> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> > >> > Default Monitor
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
>> >> > >> > ================
>> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Under System devices:
>> >> > >> > ================
>> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
>> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > System speaker
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > System timer
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
>> >> > >> > ===============
>> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
>> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
>> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
>> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
>> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
>> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
>> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
> jacks)
>> >> > >> > Ports
>> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>
>
>
Anonymous
August 9, 2005 11:59:50 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

"Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and Windows 98
Second Edition are being made available under extended support for critical
security issues."

Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab that
file from Microsoft.

Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.

"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an indicator that
> you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.
>
> Reboot to Safe Mode
> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of Hidden AND
> System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files, using
> your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is first!)
>
> Let us know what's found
>
> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
> Oh - no , you can't!! :(  - it seems to be available only from Win ME's
> Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
> Try here, instead....
> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise' link on
> the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your listing....
> Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the "Contains
> these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering, which
> will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and install the
> patch from there
>
> See if that helps.
>
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
> > That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject Search
> > Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
> >
> > Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
> > install
> > it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
> >
> > But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the other
> > stuff too, it's better, I guess.
> >
> > Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my
login
> > and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes the
> > machine works, sometimes not.
> >
> > Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading at
that
> > time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting
> > escape
> > would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
> >
> > Thanks again for your help.
> >
> > Ted
> >
> >
> >
> > "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
> >> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
reports
> >> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as broken/missing
> >> and
> >> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then
> > install
> >> them.
> >> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then run
a
> >> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
> >> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
report,
> > and
> >> post back with results.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >>
> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >>
> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
> >>
> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> >> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too.
> > That
> >> > is
> >> > problematic.
> >> >
> >> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
> >> > anything)
> >> >
> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:D c2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
> >> >> Well Noel,
> >> >>
> >> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
> >> >>
> >> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
> >> >>
> >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
> >> >>
> >> >> and others under System devices.
> >> >>
> >> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under
this
> >> >> group, successfully.
> >> >>
> >> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
deleted
> > the
> >> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under
> >> >> the
> >> > USB
> >> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
> >> >>
> >> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed
> > much
> >> > of
> >> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
> >> >>
> >> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I
think
> > my
> >> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on
earth
> >> >> I
> >> > need
> >> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
> >> >>
> >> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
> >> >>
> >> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs
> >> >> to
> >> > get
> >> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I
don't
> >> > like
> >> >> it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry.
> >> >>
> >> >> And thanks for posting back.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:o 2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a
> >> >> > last
> >> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the
system
> > in
> >> > a
> >> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
> >> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
> >> > installed
> >> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer
works
> >> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many
of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
> >> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Good Luck
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
to
> >> > NG's
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
> >> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the
OS
> >> > over
> >> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at
all
> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> > > you've
> >> >> > >> been having problems!!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting
to
> >> >> Normal
> >> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
> >> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >> >> > >> then reboot
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> System
> >> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
> >> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
> >> >> > >> System speaker
> >> >> > >> System timer
> >> >> > >> then reboot
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
> >> >> > >> again,
> >> > and
> >> >> > > check
> >> >> > >> for duplicates again
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
> >> >> > >> Start |Run
> >> >> > >> type
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> and click OK
> >> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system
> >> > behaves
> >> >> > >> then.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Will post, either way.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> --
> >> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Thanks Ted
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
messages
> > to
> >> >> NG's
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> >> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a
> >> >> > >> > while
> >> >> > >> > in
> >> >> > >> > safe
> >> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
> >> >> > >> > explicitly,
> >> >> > >> > however
> >> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked
> >> >> > >> > on
> >> >> splash
> >> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
message
> >> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
> >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
present
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
> >> > drivers.
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
> >> >> > >> >> Mode -
> >> > Now
> >> >> > > make
> >> >> > >> >> a
> >> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have
yellow
> > or
> >> >> red
> >> >> > >> > flags
> >> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green
flags.
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
> >> >> > >> > ===============
> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Triplicated:
> >> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
> >> >> > >> > =================
> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> > >> > Default Monitor
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Under System devices:
> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > System speaker
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > System timer
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
> >> >> > >> > ===============
> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
> >> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
> >> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
> >> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
> >> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
> >> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
> >> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
> > jacks)
> >> >> > >> > Ports
> >> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
August 10, 2005 10:50:38 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-...


Shane


ng_reader wrote:
> "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and
> Windows 98 Second Edition are being made available under extended
> support for critical security issues."
>
> Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab
> that file from Microsoft.
>
> Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
>
> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an
>> indicator that you're already infected with the virus that it's
>> designed to avert.
>>
>> Reboot to Safe Mode
>> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of
>> Hidden AND System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of
>> all files, using your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really
>> matter which is first!)
>>
>> Let us know what's found
>>
>> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
>> Oh - no , you can't!! :(  - it seems to be available only from Win
>> ME's Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
>> Try here, instead....
>> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise'
>> link on the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to
>> your listing.... Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click
>> on the new link
>> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
>> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
>> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the
>> "Contains these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single
>> offering, which will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe
>> Mode, and install the patch from there
>>
>> See if that helps.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>
>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>
>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
>> NG's
>>
>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
>>> That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject
>>> Search Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
>>>
>>> Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
>>> install
>>> it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
>>>
>>> But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the
>>> other stuff too, it's better, I guess.
>>>
>>> Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get
>>> my login and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password)
>>> sometimes the machine works, sometimes not.
>>>
>>> Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading
>>> at that time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS
>>> days, hitting escape
>>> would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your help.
>>>
>>> Ted
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
>>>> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
>>>> reports about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as
>>>> broken/missing and
>>>> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there,
>>>> then install them.
>>>> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then
>>>> run a full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with
>>>> a spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
>>>> report, and post back with results.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>>>
>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>>>
>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
>>>> to NG's
>>>>
>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
>>>>> Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit
>>>>> too. That is
>>>>> problematic.
>>>>>
>>>>> (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
>>>>> anything)
>>>>>
>>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:D c2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Well Noel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and others under System devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer
>>>>>> under this group, successfully.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
>>>>>> deleted the few under System Devices. It then went on to look
>>>>>> for devices under the
>>>>> USB
>>>>>> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
>>>>>> removed much of the extra garbage under system devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I
>>>>>> think my updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system.
>>>>>> Why on earth I
>>>>> need
>>>>>> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the
>>>>>> Mrs to
>>>>> get
>>>>>> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I
>>>>>> don't like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And thanks for posting back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:o 2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a
>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>> resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the
> system
>>> in
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
>>>>>>> Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
>>>>>>> installed when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE
>>>>>>> no longer works properly, as well as meaning that there's a
>>>>>>> good chance that many of the
>>>>>>> Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
>>>>>>> we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good Luck
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>>>>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
>>>>>>> messages to NG's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Oh, boy!!
>>>>>>>>> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of
>>>>>>>>> the OS over itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no
>>>>>>>>> surprise at all that
>>>>>>>> you've
>>>>>>>>> been having problems!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups,
>>>>>>>>> rebooting to Normal Mode in between groups, before booting
>>>>>>>>> back to Safe Mode.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
>>>>>>>>> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>>>>>>>>> then reboot
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> System
>>>>>>>>> - Remove ONLY the following:-
>>>>>>>>> System CMOS/real time clock
>>>>>>>>> System speaker
>>>>>>>>> System timer
>>>>>>>>> then reboot
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
>>>>>>>>> again, and check
>>>>>>>>> for duplicates again
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If there's none there, go to
>>>>>>>>> Start |Run
>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SCANREG /FIX
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and click OK
>>>>>>>>> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
>>>>>>>>> system behaves then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will post, either way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HTH, and good luck
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>>>>>>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Ted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> messages
>>> to
>>>>>> NG's
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>>> My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a
>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> safe
>>>>>>>>>> mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
>>>>>>>>>> explicitly,
>>>>>>>>>> however
>>>>>>>>>> only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>> splash
>>>>>>>>>> screen, so had to hit reset button.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> message news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect that you have driver problems......
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Reboot to Safe Mode
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Device Manager
>>>>>>>>>>> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
>>>>>>>>>>> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
>>>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
>>>>>>>>>>> drivers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
>>>>>>>>>>> Mode - Now make
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have
> yellow
>>> or
>>>>>> red
>>>>>>>>>> flags
>>>>>>>>>>> against them - and another set for any that have green
>>>>>>>>>>> flags.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> post back with your results.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Under CDROM:
>>>>>>>>>> ===============
>>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
>>>>>>>>>> ATAPI CDROM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Triplicated:
>>>>>>>>>> Generic DVD RW 8XMax
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quadruplicated:
>>>>>>>>>> TEAC CD-W54E
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Under Disk drives:
>>>>>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
>>>>>>>>>> GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quadruplicated:
>>>>>>>>>> IOMEGA ZIP 100
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
>>>>>>>>>> WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Under Hard Disk Controllers:
>>>>>>>>>> =================
>>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
>>>>>>>>>> Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Under keyboard:
>>>>>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
>>>>>>>>>> Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Under Monitor:
>>>>>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
>>>>>>>>>> Default Monitor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Under Sound, video and game controllers:
>>>>>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
>>>>>>>>>> Gameport Joystick
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Under System devices:
>>>>>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>>>>> Quadruplicated:
>>>>>>>>>> ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
>>>>>>>>>> Direct memory access controller
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Numerica data processor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Programable interupt controller
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> System CMOS/real time clock
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> System speaker
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> System timer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
>>>>>>>>>> ===============
>>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> USB Root Hub
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW (bluetooth controller)
>>>>>>>>>> Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
>>>>>>>>>> Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
>>>>>>>>>> Floppy Disk Controllers
>>>>>>>>>> Modem (ext. sportster attached)
>>>>>>>>>> Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
>>>>>>>>>> Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
>>>>>>>>>> jacks) Ports
>>>>>>>>>> SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
Anonymous
August 10, 2005 11:18:30 AM

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strange - it downloaded fine for me when I followed the instructions I
posted.... use Shane's link (it's the same place in the end)

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2YSdnd2yOKyY1WTfRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and Windows 98
> Second Edition are being made available under extended support for
> critical
> security issues."
>
> Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab that
> file from Microsoft.
>
> Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
>
> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an indicator
>> that
>> you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.
>>
>> Reboot to Safe Mode
>> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of Hidden AND
>> System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files,
>> using
>> your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is
>> first!)
>>
>> Let us know what's found
>>
>> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
>> Oh - no , you can't!! :(  - it seems to be available only from Win ME's
>> Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
>> Try here, instead....
>> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise' link
>> on
>> the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your listing....
>> Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
>> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
>> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
>> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the "Contains
>> these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering, which
>> will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and install
>> the
>> patch from there
>>
>> See if that helps.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>
>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>
>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>>
>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
>> > That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject Search
>> > Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
>> >
>> > Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
>> > install
>> > it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
>> >
>> > But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the other
>> > stuff too, it's better, I guess.
>> >
>> > Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my
> login
>> > and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes the
>> > machine works, sometimes not.
>> >
>> > Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading at
> that
>> > time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting
>> > escape
>> > would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
>> >
>> > Thanks again for your help.
>> >
>> > Ted
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> > news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
>> >> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
> reports
>> >> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as broken/missing
>> >> and
>> >> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then
>> > install
>> >> them.
>> >> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then run
> a
>> >> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
>> >> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
> report,
>> > and
>> >> post back with results.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >>
>> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >>
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >>
>> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
> NG's
>> >>
>> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
>> >> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too.
>> > That
>> >> > is
>> >> > problematic.
>> >> >
>> >> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
>> >> > anything)
>> >> >
>> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:D c2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
>> >> >> Well Noel,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
>> >> >>
>> >> >> and others under System devices.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under
> this
>> >> >> group, successfully.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
> deleted
>> > the
>> >> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under
>> >> >> the
>> >> > USB
>> >> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
>> >> >> removed
>> > much
>> >> > of
>> >> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I
> think
>> > my
>> >> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on
> earth
>> >> >> I
>> >> > need
>> >> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the
>> >> >> Mrs
>> >> >> to
>> >> > get
>> >> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I
> don't
>> >> > like
>> >> >> it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sorry.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And thanks for posting back.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:o 2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a
>> >> >> > last
>> >> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the
> system
>> > in
>> >> > a
>> >> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
>> >> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
>> >> > installed
>> >> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer
> works
>> >> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many
> of
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
>> >> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Good Luck
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
> to
>> >> > NG's
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
>> >> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the
> OS
>> >> > over
>> >> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at
> all
>> >> >> > >> that
>> >> >> > > you've
>> >> >> > >> been having problems!!
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting
> to
>> >> >> Normal
>> >> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
>> >> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>> >> >> > >> then reboot
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> System
>> >> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
>> >> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
>> >> >> > >> System speaker
>> >> >> > >> System timer
>> >> >> > >> then reboot
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
>> >> >> > >> again,
>> >> > and
>> >> >> > > check
>> >> >> > >> for duplicates again
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
>> >> >> > >> Start |Run
>> >> >> > >> type
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> and click OK
>> >> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
>> >> >> > >> system
>> >> > behaves
>> >> >> > >> then.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Will post, either way.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> --
>> >> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Thanks Ted
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> messages
>> > to
>> >> >> NG's
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
>> >> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a
>> >> >> > >> > while
>> >> >> > >> > in
>> >> >> > >> > safe
>> >> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
>> >> >> > >> > explicitly,
>> >> >> > >> > however
>> >> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine
>> >> >> > >> > locked
>> >> >> > >> > on
>> >> >> splash
>> >> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
> message
>> >> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
>> >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
>> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
>> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
> present
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
>> >> > drivers.
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
>> >> >> > >> >> Mode -
>> >> > Now
>> >> >> > > make
>> >> >> > >> >> a
>> >> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have
> yellow
>> > or
>> >> >> red
>> >> >> > >> > flags
>> >> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green
> flags.
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
>> >> >> > >> > ===============
>> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Triplicated:
>> >> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
>> >> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
>> >> >> > >> > ================
>> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
>> >> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
>> >> >> > >> > =================
>> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
>> >> >> > >> > ================
>> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
>> >> >> > >> > ================
>> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> > >> > Default Monitor
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
>> >> >> > >> > ================
>> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Under System devices:
>> >> >> > >> > ================
>> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
>> >> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > System speaker
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > System timer
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
>> >> >> > >> > ===============
>> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
>> >> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
>> >> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
>> >> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
>> >> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
>> >> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
>> >> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
>> > jacks)
>> >> >> > >> > Ports
>> >> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
August 11, 2005 9:15:08 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?

Oh, nevermind. It worked.

These virii and spyware are a constant battle.

But, I think I might want to blame Sun Microsystems, and not my little video
card processor - Nvidia.

I get a very similar response from my machine whenever executing Java, it
seems. I know, write once - run anywhere, but, it really is a bit of a hog.

So, I don't know why it would affect my explorer function, but for now, I
think it do.

Ted
"Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e60Ay9WnFHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-...
>
>
> Shane
>
>
> ng_reader wrote:
> > "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and
> > Windows 98 Second Edition are being made available under extended
> > support for critical security issues."
> >
> > Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab
> > that file from Microsoft.
> >
> > Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
> >
> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an
> >> indicator that you're already infected with the virus that it's
> >> designed to avert.
> >>
> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
> >> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of
> >> Hidden AND System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of
> >> all files, using your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really
> >> matter which is first!)
> >>
> >> Let us know what's found
> >>
> >> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
> >> Oh - no , you can't!! :(  - it seems to be available only from Win
> >> ME's Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
> >> Try here, instead....
> >> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise'
> >> link on the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to
> >> your listing.... Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click
> >> on the new link
> >> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
> >> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
> >> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the
> >> "Contains these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single
> >> offering, which will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe
> >> Mode, and install the patch from there
> >>
> >> See if that helps.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >>
> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >>
> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
> >> NG's
> >>
> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
> >>> That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject
> >>> Search Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
> >>>
> >>> Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
> >>> install
> >>> it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
> >>>
> >>> But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the
> >>> other stuff too, it's better, I guess.
> >>>
> >>> Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get
> >>> my login and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password)
> >>> sometimes the machine works, sometimes not.
> >>>
> >>> Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading
> >>> at that time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS
> >>> days, hitting escape
> >>> would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again for your help.
> >>>
> >>> Ted
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >>>> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
> >>>> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
> >>>> reports about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as
> >>>> broken/missing and
> >>>> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there,
> >>>> then install them.
> >>>> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then
> >>>> run a full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with
> >>>> a spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
> >>>> report, and post back with results.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >>>>
> >>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >>>>
> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >>>>
> >>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
> >>>> to NG's
> >>>>
> >>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> >>>>> Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit
> >>>>> too. That is
> >>>>> problematic.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
> >>>>> anything)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:D c2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
> >>>>>> Well Noel,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> and others under System devices.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer
> >>>>>> under this group, successfully.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
> >>>>>> deleted the few under System Devices. It then went on to look
> >>>>>> for devices under the
> >>>>> USB
> >>>>>> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
> >>>>>> removed much of the extra garbage under system devices.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I
> >>>>>> think my updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system.
> >>>>>> Why on earth I
> >>>>> need
> >>>>>> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the
> >>>>>> Mrs to
> >>>>> get
> >>>>>> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I
> >>>>>> don't like it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sorry.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And thanks for posting back.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:o 2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>> I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a
> >>>>>>> last
> >>>>>>> resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the
> > system
> >>> in
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>>> worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
> >>>>>>> Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
> >>>>>>> installed when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE
> >>>>>>> no longer works properly, as well as meaning that there's a
> >>>>>>> good chance that many of the
> >>>>>>> Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
> >>>>>>> we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Good Luck
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >>>>>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> >>>>>>> messages to NG's
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>>> Oh, boy!!
> >>>>>>>>> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of
> >>>>>>>>> the OS over itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no
> >>>>>>>>> surprise at all that
> >>>>>>>> you've
> >>>>>>>>> been having problems!!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups,
> >>>>>>>>> rebooting to Normal Mode in between groups, before booting
> >>>>>>>>> back to Safe Mode.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
> >>>>>>>>> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >>>>>>>>> then reboot
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> System
> >>>>>>>>> - Remove ONLY the following:-
> >>>>>>>>> System CMOS/real time clock
> >>>>>>>>> System speaker
> >>>>>>>>> System timer
> >>>>>>>>> then reboot
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
> >>>>>>>>> again, and check
> >>>>>>>>> for duplicates again
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If there's none there, go to
> >>>>>>>>> Start |Run
> >>>>>>>>> type
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> SCANREG /FIX
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> and click OK
> >>>>>>>>> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
> >>>>>>>>> system behaves then.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Will post, either way.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> HTH, and good luck
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks Ted
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> > messages
> >>> to
> >>>>>> NG's
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> >>>>>>>>>> My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a
> >>>>>>>>>> while
> >>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> safe
> >>>>>>>>>> mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
> >>>>>>>>>> explicitly,
> >>>>>>>>>> however
> >>>>>>>>>> only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked
> >>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>> splash
> >>>>>>>>>> screen, so had to hit reset button.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>> message news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>>>>> I suspect that you have driver problems......
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Reboot to Safe Mode
> >>>>>>>>>>> Open Device Manager
> >>>>>>>>>>> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
> >>>>>>>>>>> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
> >>>>>>>>>>> present
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required
> >>>>>>>>>>> drivers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
> >>>>>>>>>>> Mode - Now make
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have
> > yellow
> >>> or
> >>>>>> red
> >>>>>>>>>> flags
> >>>>>>>>>>> against them - and another set for any that have green
> >>>>>>>>>>> flags.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> post back with your results.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Under CDROM:
> >>>>>>>>>> ===============
> >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>> ATAPI CDROM
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Triplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>> Generic DVD RW 8XMax
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Quadruplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>> TEAC CD-W54E
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Under Disk drives:
> >>>>>>>>>> ================
> >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>> GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Quadruplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>> IOMEGA ZIP 100
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>> WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Under Hard Disk Controllers:
> >>>>>>>>>> =================
> >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>> Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Under keyboard:
> >>>>>>>>>> ================
> >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>> Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Under Monitor:
> >>>>>>>>>> ================
> >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>> Default Monitor
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Under Sound, video and game controllers:
> >>>>>>>>>> ================
> >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>> Gameport Joystick
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Under System devices:
> >>>>>>>>>> ================
> >>>>>>>>>> Quadruplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>> ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>> Direct memory access controller
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Numerica data processor
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Programable interupt controller
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> System CMOS/real time clock
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> System speaker
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> System timer
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
> >>>>>>>>>> ===============
> >>>>>>>>>> Duplicated:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> USB Root Hub
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> BTW (bluetooth controller)
> >>>>>>>>>> Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
> >>>>>>>>>> Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
> >>>>>>>>>> Floppy Disk Controllers
> >>>>>>>>>> Modem (ext. sportster attached)
> >>>>>>>>>> Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
> >>>>>>>>>> Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
> >>>>>>>>>> jacks) Ports
> >>>>>>>>>> SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> +++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
>
Anonymous
August 11, 2005 9:15:53 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general (More info?)

It just would hang, and never respond. No idea why. Still don't know how
Shane got that URL, but it worked!


"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:%23ztZTNXnFHA.3312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> strange - it downloaded fine for me when I followed the instructions I
> posted.... use Shane's link (it's the same place in the end)
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2YSdnd2yOKyY1WTfRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> > "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and Windows
98
> > Second Edition are being made available under extended support for
> > critical
> > security issues."
> >
> > Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab that
> > file from Microsoft.
> >
> > Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
> >
> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an indicator
> >> that
> >> you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.
> >>
> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
> >> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of Hidden
AND
> >> System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files,
> >> using
> >> your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is
> >> first!)
> >>
> >> Let us know what's found
> >>
> >> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
> >> Oh - no , you can't!! :(  - it seems to be available only from Win ME's
> >> Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
> >> Try here, instead....
> >> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise' link
> >> on
> >> the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your
listing....
> >> Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
> >> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
> >> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
> >> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the
"Contains
> >> these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering,
which
> >> will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and install
> >> the
> >> patch from there
> >>
> >> See if that helps.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >>
> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >>
> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
> >>
> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
> >> > That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject
Search
> >> > Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
> >> >
> >> > Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
> >> > install
> >> > it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
> >> >
> >> > But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the
other
> >> > stuff too, it's better, I guess.
> >> >
> >> > Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my
> > login
> >> > and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes
the
> >> > machine works, sometimes not.
> >> >
> >> > Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading at
> > that
> >> > time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting
> >> > escape
> >> > would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks again for your help.
> >> >
> >> > Ted
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> >> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
> >> >> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
> > reports
> >> >> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as
broken/missing
> >> >> and
> >> >> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then
> >> > install
> >> >> them.
> >> >> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then
run
> > a
> >> >> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
> >> >> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
> > report,
> >> > and
> >> >> post back with results.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >>
> >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >>
> >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
> > NG's
> >> >>
> >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> >> >> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit
too.
> >> > That
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > problematic.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
> >> >> > anything)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:D c2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
> >> >> >> Well Noel,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> and others under System devices.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under
> > this
> >> >> >> group, successfully.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
> > deleted
> >> > the
> >> >> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices
under
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> > USB
> >> >> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
> >> >> >> removed
> >> > much
> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I
> > think
> >> > my
> >> >> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on
> > earth
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> > need
> >> >> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the
> >> >> >> Mrs
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> > get
> >> >> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I
> > don't
> >> >> > like
> >> >> >> it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sorry.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And thanks for posting back.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:o 2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really
a
> >> >> >> > last
> >> >> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the
> > system
> >> > in
> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
> >> >> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6
> >> >> > installed
> >> >> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer
> > works
> >> >> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that
many
> > of
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
> >> >> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Good Luck
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
messages
> > to
> >> >> > NG's
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
message
> >> >> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
> >> >> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of
the
> > OS
> >> >> > over
> >> >> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at
> > all
> >> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> >> > > you've
> >> >> >> > >> been having problems!!
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups,
rebooting
> > to
> >> >> >> Normal
> >> >> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
> >> >> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >> >> >> > >> then reboot
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> System
> >> >> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
> >> >> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
> >> >> >> > >> System speaker
> >> >> >> > >> System timer
> >> >> >> > >> then reboot
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
> >> >> >> > >> again,
> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > > check
> >> >> >> > >> for duplicates again
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
> >> >> >> > >> Start |Run
> >> >> >> > >> type
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> and click OK
> >> >> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
> >> >> >> > >> system
> >> >> > behaves
> >> >> >> > >> then.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Will post, either way.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> --
> >> >> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Thanks Ted
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> > messages
> >> > to
> >> >> >> NG's
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> >> >> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a
> >> >> >> > >> > while
> >> >> >> > >> > in
> >> >> >> > >> > safe
> >> >> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
> >> >> >> > >> > explicitly,
> >> >> >> > >> > however
> >> >> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine
> >> >> >> > >> > locked
> >> >> >> > >> > on
> >> >> >> splash
> >> >> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
> > message
> >> >> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
> >> >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
> >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
> >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
> > present
> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any
required
> >> >> > drivers.
> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
> >> >> >> > >> >> Mode -
> >> >> > Now
> >> >> >> > > make
> >> >> >> > >> >> a
> >> >> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have
> > yellow
> >> > or
> >> >> >> red
> >> >> >> > >> > flags
> >> >> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green
> > flags.
> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
> >> >> >> > >> > ===============
> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Triplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
> >> >> >> > >> > =================
> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> > Default Monitor
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Under System devices:
> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > System speaker
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > System timer
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
> >> >> >> > >> > ===============
> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
> >> >> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
> >> >> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
> >> >> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
> >> >> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
> >> >> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
> >> >> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet
> >> > jacks)
> >> >> >> > >> > Ports
> >> >> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
August 12, 2005 2:43:19 AM

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"ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:IaOdnTiOCaqcXWbfRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?


Start the download (from Windows Update or Windows Update Catalog), cancel
it, then look at the bottom of C:\Windows\Windows Update.log.

Shane
Anonymous
August 12, 2005 2:43:20 AM

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neat.

"Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uhyH32rnFHA.2920@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:IaOdnTiOCaqcXWbfRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> > Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?
>
>
> Start the download (from Windows Update or Windows Update Catalog),
cancel
> it, then look at the bottom of C:\Windows\Windows Update.log.
>
> Shane
>
>
August 12, 2005 11:05:45 AM

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Of course you have to be able to find it, first. Searching on 891711 got 0
results. I didn't try it with the KB in front - maybe that would have worked
(it certainly should have, but I suppose you searched on that string). But
there aren't many updates for ME anymore, so I searched Critical Updates
ordered by date and there it was (including the string 891711 in the title)!

Shane

"ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:16qdnZ2dnZ3PK-PinZ2dncGdYd-dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com...
> neat.
>
> "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uhyH32rnFHA.2920@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:IaOdnTiOCaqcXWbfRVn-sg@comcast.com...
>> > Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?
>>
>>
>> Start the download (from Windows Update or Windows Update Catalog),
> cancel
>> it, then look at the bottom of C:\Windows\Windows Update.log.
>>
>> Shane
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
August 12, 2005 11:08:31 AM

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updating your scripting engine may help....
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyI...


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gdGdnSrvXaGzXWbfRVn-gg@comcast.com...
> It just would hang, and never respond. No idea why. Still don't know how
> Shane got that URL, but it worked!
>
>
> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:%23ztZTNXnFHA.3312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> strange - it downloaded fine for me when I followed the instructions I
>> posted.... use Shane's link (it's the same place in the end)
>>
>> --
>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>
>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>
>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>>
>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2YSdnd2yOKyY1WTfRVn-uA@comcast.com...
>> > "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and Windows
> 98
>> > Second Edition are being made available under extended support for
>> > critical
>> > security issues."
>> >
>> > Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab
>> > that
>> > file from Microsoft.
>> >
>> > Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
>> >
>> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> > news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an indicator
>> >> that
>> >> you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.
>> >>
>> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
>> >> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of Hidden
> AND
>> >> System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files,
>> >> using
>> >> your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is
>> >> first!)
>> >>
>> >> Let us know what's found
>> >>
>> >> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
>> >> Oh - no , you can't!! :(  - it seems to be available only from Win ME's
>> >> Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
>> >> Try here, instead....
>> >> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise'
>> >> link
>> >> on
>> >> the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your
> listing....
>> >> Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
>> >> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
>> >> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
>> >> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the
> "Contains
>> >> these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering,
> which
>> >> will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and install
>> >> the
>> >> patch from there
>> >>
>> >> See if that helps.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >>
>> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >>
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >>
>> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
> NG's
>> >>
>> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
>> >> > That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject
> Search
>> >> > Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to
>> >> > install
>> >> > it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
>> >> >
>> >> > But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the
> other
>> >> > stuff too, it's better, I guess.
>> >> >
>> >> > Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my
>> > login
>> >> > and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes
> the
>> >> > machine works, sometimes not.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading
>> >> > at
>> > that
>> >> > time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting
>> >> > escape
>> >> > would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks again for your help.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ted
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
>> >> >> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
>> > reports
>> >> >> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as
> broken/missing
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then
>> >> > install
>> >> >> them.
>> >> >> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then
> run
>> > a
>> >> >> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
>> >> >> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
>> > report,
>> >> > and
>> >> >> post back with results.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
>> >> >> to
>> > NG's
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
>> >> >> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit
> too.
>> >> > That
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > problematic.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
>> >> >> > anything)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:D c2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
>> >> >> >> Well Noel,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe
>> >> >> >> mode.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> and others under System devices.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer
>> >> >> >> under
>> > this
>> >> >> >> group, successfully.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
>> > deleted
>> >> > the
>> >> >> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices
> under
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> > USB
>> >> >> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
>> >> >> >> removed
>> >> > much
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I
>> > think
>> >> > my
>> >> >> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on
>> > earth
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> > need
>> >> >> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the
>> >> >> >> Mrs
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> > get
>> >> >> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I
>> > don't
>> >> >> > like
>> >> >> >> it.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Sorry.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> And thanks for posting back.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:o 2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really
> a
>> >> >> >> > last
>> >> >> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the
>> > system
>> >> > in
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
>> >> >> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had
>> >> >> >> > IE6
>> >> >> > installed
>> >> >> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer
>> > works
>> >> >> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that
> many
>> > of
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
>> >> >> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Good Luck
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> messages
>> > to
>> >> >> > NG's
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
> message
>> >> >> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
>> >> >> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of
> the
>> > OS
>> >> >> > over
>> >> >> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise
>> >> >> >> > >> at
>> > all
>> >> >> >> > >> that
>> >> >> >> > > you've
>> >> >> >> > >> been having problems!!
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups,
> rebooting
>> > to
>> >> >> >> Normal
>> >> >> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
>> >> >> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>> >> >> >> > >> then reboot
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> System
>> >> >> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
>> >> >> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
>> >> >> >> > >> System speaker
>> >> >> >> > >> System timer
>> >> >> >> > >> then reboot
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode
>> >> >> >> > >> again,
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > > check
>> >> >> >> > >> for duplicates again
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
>> >> >> >> > >> Start |Run
>> >> >> >> > >> type
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> and click OK
>> >> >> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
>> >> >> >> > >> system
>> >> >> > behaves
>> >> >> >> > >> then.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Will post, either way.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> --
>> >> >> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> >> >> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Thanks Ted
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
>> > messages
>> >> > to
>> >> >> >> NG's
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
>> >> >> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me
>> >> >> >> > >> > a
>> >> >> >> > >> > while
>> >> >> >> > >> > in
>> >> >> >> > >> > safe
>> >> >> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
>> >> >> >> > >> > explicitly,
>> >> >> >> > >> > however
>> >> >> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine
>> >> >> >> > >> > locked
>> >> >> >> > >> > on
>> >> >> >> splash
>> >> >> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
>> > message
>> >> >> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
>> >> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
>> >> >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
>> >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
>> >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
>> > present
>> >> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any
> required
>> >> >> > drivers.
>> >> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe
>> >> >> >> > >> >> Mode -
>> >> >> > Now
>> >> >> >> > > make
>> >> >> >> > >> >> a
>> >> >> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have
>> > yellow
>> >> > or
>> >> >> >> red
>> >> >> >> > >> > flags
>> >> >> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green
>> > flags.
>> >> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
>> >> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
>> >> >> >> > >> > ===============
>> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Triplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
>> >> >> >> > >> > ================
>> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
>> >> >> >> > >> > =================
>> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
>> >> >> >> > >> > ================
>> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
>> >> >> >> > >> > ================
>> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> > Default Monitor
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
>> >> >> >> > >> > ================
>> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Under System devices:
>> >> >> >> > >> > ================
>> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > System speaker
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > System timer
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
>> >> >> >> > >> > ===============
>> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
>> >> >> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
>> >> >> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
>> >> >> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
>> >> >> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
>> >> >> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
>> >> >> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2}
>> >> >> >> > >> > Ethernet
>> >> > jacks)
>> >> >> >> > >> > Ports
>> >> >> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
August 12, 2005 11:11:37 AM

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searching on 891711 worked for me, Shane - no need for the KB

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:o 6aTiPwnFHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Of course you have to be able to find it, first. Searching on 891711 got 0
> results. I didn't try it with the KB in front - maybe that would have
> worked (it certainly should have, but I suppose you searched on that
> string). But there aren't many updates for ME anymore, so I searched
> Critical Updates ordered by date and there it was (including the string
> 891711 in the title)!
>
> Shane
>
> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:16qdnZ2dnZ3PK-PinZ2dncGdYd-dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com...
>> neat.
>>
>> "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uhyH32rnFHA.2920@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:IaOdnTiOCaqcXWbfRVn-sg@comcast.com...
>>> > Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?
>>>
>>>
>>> Start the download (from Windows Update or Windows Update Catalog),
>> cancel
>>> it, then look at the bottom of C:\Windows\Windows Update.log.
>>>
>>> Shane
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
August 12, 2005 11:57:23 AM

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I really doubt this is related, but I can't save my WU preferences anymore.
I've tried it with all my security measures reversed, though it saved ok
with them in place until recently anyway.


Shane

"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:eWWwwSwnFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> searching on 891711 worked for me, Shane - no need for the KB
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:o 6aTiPwnFHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Of course you have to be able to find it, first. Searching on 891711 got
>> 0 results. I didn't try it with the KB in front - maybe that would have
>> worked (it certainly should have, but I suppose you searched on that
>> string). But there aren't many updates for ME anymore, so I searched
>> Critical Updates ordered by date and there it was (including the string
>> 891711 in the title)!
>>
>> Shane
>>
>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:16qdnZ2dnZ3PK-PinZ2dncGdYd-dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com...
>>> neat.
>>>
>>> "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uhyH32rnFHA.2920@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:IaOdnTiOCaqcXWbfRVn-sg@comcast.com...
>>>> > Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Start the download (from Windows Update or Windows Update Catalog),
>>> cancel
>>>> it, then look at the bottom of C:\Windows\Windows Update.log.
>>>>
>>>> Shane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
August 12, 2005 12:06:49 PM

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Yes, just booted ME and tried again and it worked.


Shane


Noel Paton wrote:
> searching on 891711 worked for me, Shane - no need for the KB
>
>
> "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:o 6aTiPwnFHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Of course you have to be able to find it, first. Searching on 891711
>> got 0 results. I didn't try it with the KB in front - maybe that
>> would have worked (it certainly should have, but I suppose you
>> searched on that string). But there aren't many updates for ME
>> anymore, so I searched Critical Updates ordered by date and there it
>> was (including the string 891711 in the title)!
>>
>> Shane
>>
>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:16qdnZ2dnZ3PK-PinZ2dncGdYd-dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com...
>>> neat.
>>>
>>> "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uhyH32rnFHA.2920@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:IaOdnTiOCaqcXWbfRVn-sg@comcast.com...
>>>>> Yes, exactly. That's what I needed. How'd you do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Start the download (from Windows Update or Windows Update
>>>> Catalog), cancel it, then look at the bottom of C:\Windows\Windows
>>>> Update.log.
>>>>
>>>> Shane
Anonymous
August 22, 2005 2:47:18 PM

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Tat worked, thank-you. I reckon that's not part of MS regular updates. ?

In any event, I did download and run that diskeeper lite. Hey, that worked,
I think!! I'll try and post to that thread appropriately.

"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:o 6s0BRwnFHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> updating your scripting engine may help....
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyI...
>
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gdGdnSrvXaGzXWbfRVn-gg@comcast.com...
> > It just would hang, and never respond. No idea why. Still don't know
how
> > Shane got that URL, but it worked!
> >
> >
> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23ztZTNXnFHA.3312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> strange - it downloaded fine for me when I followed the instructions I
> >> posted.... use Shane's link (it's the same place in the end)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >>
> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >>
> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
> >>
> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:2YSdnd2yOKyY1WTfRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> >> > "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and
Windows
> > 98
> >> > Second Edition are being made available under extended support for
> >> > critical
> >> > security issues."
> >> >
> >> > Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab
> >> > that
> >> > file from Microsoft.
> >> >
> >> > Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
> >> >
> >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> >> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an
indicator
> >> >> that
> >> >> you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.
> >> >>
> >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
> >> >> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of
Hidden
> > AND
> >> >> System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files,
> >> >> using
> >> >> your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is
> >> >> first!)
> >> >>
> >> >> Let us know what's found
> >> >>
> >> >> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
> >> >> Oh - no , you can't!! :(  - it seems to be available only from Win
ME's
> >> >> Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
> >> >> Try here, instead....
> >> >> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise'
> >> >> link
> >> >> on
> >> >> the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your
> > listing....
> >> >> Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
> >> >> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
> >> >> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
> >> >> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the
> > "Contains
> >> >> these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering,
> > which
> >> >> will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and
install
> >> >> the
> >> >> patch from there
> >> >>
> >> >> See if that helps.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >>
> >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >>
> >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
> > NG's
> >> >>
> >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
> >> >> > That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject
> > Search
> >> >> > Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine
to
> >> >> > install
> >> >> > it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the
> > other
> >> >> > stuff too, it's better, I guess.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get
my
> >> > login
> >> >> > and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password)
sometimes
> > the
> >> >> > machine works, sometimes not.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading
> >> >> > at
> >> > that
> >> >> > time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days,
hitting
> >> >> > escape
> >> >> > would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks again for your help.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ted
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
> >> >> >> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
> >> > reports
> >> >> >> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as
> > broken/missing
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there,
then
> >> >> > install
> >> >> >> them.
> >> >> >> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and
then
> > run
> >> > a
> >> >> >> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
> >> >> >> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
> >> > report,
> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> post back with results.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
> >> >> >> to
> >> > NG's
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> >> >> >> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit
> > too.
> >> >> > That
> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> > problematic.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not
doing
> >> >> >> > anything)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:D c2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
> >> >> >> >> Well Noel,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe
> >> >> >> >> mode.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> and others under System devices.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer
> >> >> >> >> under
> >> > this
> >> >> >> >> group, successfully.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
> >> > deleted
> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices
> > under
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > USB
> >> >> >> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
> >> >> >> >> removed
> >> >> > much
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as
I
> >> > think
> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why
on
> >> > earth
> >> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> > need
> >> >> >> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for
the
> >> >> >> >> Mrs
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > get
> >> >> >> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise
I
> >> > don't
> >> >> >> > like
> >> >> >> >> it.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Sorry.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> And thanks for posting back.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:o 2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is
really
> > a
> >> >> >> >> > last
> >> >> >> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave
the
> >> > system
> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
> >> >> >> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had
> >> >> >> >> > IE6
> >> >> >> > installed
> >> >> >> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no
longer
> >> > works
> >> >> >> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that
> > many
> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
> >> >> >> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager
sorted.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Good Luck
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> >> >> > http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> > messages
> >> > to
> >> >> >> > NG's
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
> > message
> >> >> >> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
> >> >> >> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall
of
> > the
> >> > OS
> >> >> >> > over
> >> >> >> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise
> >> >> >> >> > >> at
> >> > all
> >> >> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> >> >> > > you've
> >> >> >> >> > >> been having problems!!
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups,
> > rebooting
> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> Normal
> >> >> >> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe
Mode.
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
> >> >> >> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >> >> >> >> > >> then reboot
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> System
> >> >> >> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
> >> >> >> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
> >> >> >> >> > >> System speaker
> >> >> >> >> > >> System timer
> >> >> >> >> > >> then reboot
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe
Mode
> >> >> >> >> > >> again,
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > > check
> >> >> >> >> > >> for duplicates again
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
> >> >> >> >> > >> Start |Run
> >> >> >> >> > >> type
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> and click OK
> >> >> >> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
> >> >> >> >> > >> system
> >> >> >> > behaves
> >> >> >> >> > >> then.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Will post, either way.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> --
> >> >> >> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Thanks Ted
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> >> > messages
> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> NG's
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> >> >> >> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took
me
> >> >> >> >> > >> > a
> >> >> >> >> > >> > while
> >> >> >> >> > >> > in
> >> >> >> >> > >> > safe
> >> >> >> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
> >> >> >> >> > >> > explicitly,
> >> >> >> >> > >> > however
> >> >> >> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine
> >> >> >> >> > >> > locked
> >> >> >> >> > >> > on
> >> >> >> >> splash
> >> >> >> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
> >> > message
> >> >> >> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
> >> > present
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any
> > required
> >> >> >> > drivers.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into
Safe
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Mode -
> >> >> >> > Now
> >> >> >> >> > > make
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or
have
> >> > yellow
> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> >> red
> >> >> >> >> > >> > flags
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green
> >> > flags.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ===============
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Triplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > =================
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Default Monitor
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under System devices:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > System speaker
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > System timer
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ===============
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2}
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Ethernet
> >> >> > jacks)
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Ports
> >> >> >> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
!