Partitioning a new drive

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Assuming one installs a new 100gig SATA hard drive,
(using 100 for ease, i.e. gigabits or percentage)
what have you folks here found, as your best partition(s) set up,
for an everyday, average, power user?

FWIW, My main goal is to isolate WinXP for optimal performance,
read - less headaches.

Should it have any bearing, currently running and upgrading:

WinXP (sp1) upgrade on Win98SE
InWin full tower
Thermaltake 480 watt PSU
Abit AV8 (sckt939)
AMD 64 3000
2 X 512mbs PC3200
80gig 7200rpm Maxtor (master - no partitions)
10gig 7200rpm IBM (slave - no partitions)
NVidia G Force3 Ti200
Creative Audiology Gamer
CD-RW drive
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  1. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Gary C" <Clem_Kadiddlehopper@CrazyGooginhiemer.com> wrote in message
    news:HLD3e.14212$ZB6.9855@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
    > Assuming one installs a new 100gig SATA hard drive,
    > (using 100 for ease, i.e. gigabits or percentage)
    > what have you folks here found, as your best partition(s) set up,
    > for an everyday, average, power user?
    >
    > FWIW, My main goal is to isolate WinXP for optimal performance,
    > read - less headaches.
    >
    > Should it have any bearing, currently running and upgrading:
    >
    > WinXP (sp1) upgrade on Win98SE
    > InWin full tower
    > Thermaltake 480 watt PSU
    > Abit AV8 (sckt939)
    > AMD 64 3000
    > 2 X 512mbs PC3200
    > 80gig 7200rpm Maxtor (master - no partitions)
    > 10gig 7200rpm IBM (slave - no partitions)
    > NVidia G Force3 Ti200
    > Creative Audiology Gamer
    > CD-RW drive
    >

    Partitioning a drive is just a waste of space, it slows drives down and even
    if the OS goes tits up you still have to install all your software again as
    installing software on a partition does not stop the DLL files and registry
    entries being written to the boot partition containing windows. I certainly
    would not store critical data or files on a partition, only on a second
    drive as if the drive fails then you've still lost the lot.


    --
    Chris
    Technical director CKCCOMPUSCRIPT
    Apple Computers, Intel, Roland audio, ATI, Microsoft, Sun Solaris, Cisco and
    Silicone Graphics.
    Wholesale distributor and specialist audio visual computers and servers
    FREE SUPPORT @,
    http://www.ckccomp.plus.com/site/page.HTM
    ckccomp25@hotmail.com
  2. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    I like the 160 gig drives partitioned C - 60gig, D - 100.
    I use disk imaging, and I keep the images on D: along
    with manual copies of important docs, pictures, etc.
    That way if a virus or something trashes the OS, then
    I can restore it in minutes by reimaging. For secure
    backups, I use a 160 gig external USB drive, and keep
    that turned off except when I do copies of the D-drive.
    That way, power surges don't whack my work. That
    way, I can totally trash my system .. including hardware
    failures, and be back up and running in 30 minutes.
    Have no idea what you mean by "isolating" WinXP
    for performance. Just putting XP on its own drive
    won't do that. Moving Apps to their own drive is a
    good way to have those Apps make wrong default
    paths to files.

    johns
  3. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 22:11:44 +0100, "Chris" <chris@ckccomp.plus.com>
    wrote:

    >
    >"Gary C" <Clem_Kadiddlehopper@CrazyGooginhiemer.com> wrote in message
    >news:HLD3e.14212$ZB6.9855@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
    >> Assuming one installs a new 100gig SATA hard drive,
    >> (using 100 for ease, i.e. gigabits or percentage)
    >> what have you folks here found, as your best partition(s) set up,
    >> for an everyday, average, power user?
    >>
    >Clip
    >
    >Partitioning a drive is just a waste of space, it slows drives down and even
    >if the OS goes tits up you still have to install all your software again as
    >installing software on a partition does not stop the DLL files and registry
    >entries being written to the boot partition containing windows. I certainly
    >would not store critical data or files on a partition, only on a second
    >drive as if the drive fails then you've still lost the lot.


    Interesting. Then again opinions are like as...les, everyone has one,
    AND people make statements as if they are facts. I guess I'm at a
    disadvantage because my 300G drive is set up with C at 15G, D and the
    rest around 75G each for MPs and photo storage, each pic I save are a
    total of 10-15meg, eats up storage. The drive image (backup) for C is
    around 5-7G, it would be huge if all were on 1 partition besides the
    large time frame to image and reinstall. Every few months I like to
    install a fresh XP image made when first installing XP, before a lot
    of clutter was put on C. Takes about 15 minutes and I'm rolling again,
    fresh and clean, just have to U/D SP2. To each his own.
    Good thought on using a second drive for critical data, but that one
    can go belly up in a heartbeat so has to be backed up also.
  4. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Gary C" <Clem_Kadiddlehopper@CrazyGooginhiemer.com> wrote in message
    news:HLD3e.14212$ZB6.9855@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
    > Assuming one installs a new 100gig SATA hard drive,
    > (using 100 for ease, i.e. gigabits or percentage)
    > what have you folks here found, as your best partition(s) set up,
    > for an everyday, average, power user?
    >
    > FWIW, My main goal is to isolate WinXP for optimal performance,
    > read - less headaches.
    >
    > Should it have any bearing, currently running and upgrading:
    >
    > WinXP (sp1) upgrade on Win98SE
    > InWin full tower
    > Thermaltake 480 watt PSU
    > Abit AV8 (sckt939)
    > AMD 64 3000
    > 2 X 512mbs PC3200
    > 80gig 7200rpm Maxtor (master - no partitions)
    > 10gig 7200rpm IBM (slave - no partitions)
    > NVidia G Force3 Ti200
    > Creative Audiology Gamer
    > CD-RW drive
    >

    What people fail to see here is harddrives are mechanical and if you split
    the drive in to sections with partitioning the read heads have to move up
    and down the platters further to gain access to data, whilst the running OS
    is still on the first portion of the drive. Until solid state devices like
    compact flash and SD memory cards become lager and faster your stuck with a
    device that has changed very little in 20 years except for pushing the
    boundaries of it's performance which does in effect increase the chance of
    failure. I still have working 40Mb drives from when I worked at IBM some 17
    years ago and they have been in use every day.


    --
    Chris
    Technical director CKCCOMPUSCRIPT
    Apple Computers, Intel, Roland audio, ATI, Microsoft, Sun Solaris, Cisco and
    Silicone Graphics.
    Wholesale distributor and specialist audio visual computers and servers
    FREE SUPPORT @,
    http://www.ckccomp.plus.com/site/page.HTM
    ckccomp25@hotmail.com
  5. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "johns" <johns123xxx@xxxmoscow.com> wrote in message
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    > I use disk imaging, and I keep the images on D: along
    > with manual copies of important docs, pictures, etc.
    > That way if a virus or something trashes the OS, then
    > I can restore it in minutes by reimaging.

    Something like Norton's Ghost?

    > Have no idea what you mean by "isolating" WinXP
    > for performance. Just putting XP on its own drive
    > won't do that.

    Am I incorrect in assuming that in creating two partitions:
    one for operating system and one for applications,
    if I ever need to do a clean install of Windows in the future,
    I can reformat the OS partition, and reinstall WinXP,
    without losing data on the other partition?

    WinXP would then be isolated to that partition.

    > Moving Apps to their own drive is a
    > good way to have those Apps make wrong default
    > paths to files.

    Even after a fresh install of apps, to a new formatted partition?

    What are your thoughts on running OS on a slave drive,
    and then installing my kids games on a slave drive, such as
    a WD 10,000 RPM Raptor?

    WinXP would then be isolated to that slave drive.

    >
    > johns
    >
    >
  6. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Chris" <chris@ckccomp.plus.com> wrote in message
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    >
    > Partitioning a drive is just a waste of space,

    Well, today's drive sizes are MUCH bigger than the average user would ever
    need.

    >it slows drives down

    How so?

    > and even
    > if the OS goes tits up you still have to install all your software again as
    > installing software on a partition does not stop the DLL files and registry
    > entries being written to the boot partition containing windows. I certainly
    > would not store critical data or files on a partition, only on a second
    > drive as if the drive fails then you've still lost the lot.
    >

    Understood.
  7. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "IDIDIT" <vschu@pion.net> wrote in message
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    >
    > {snip}
    > my 300G drive is set up with C at 15G, D and the
    > rest around 75G each for MPs and photo storage, each pic I save are a
    > total of 10-15meg, eats up storage. The drive image (backup) for C is
    > around 5-7G, it would be huge if all were on 1 partition besides the
    > large time frame to image and reinstall.

    Interesting.

    > Every few months I like to
    > install a fresh XP image made when first installing XP, before a lot
    > of clutter was put on C. Takes about 15 minutes and I'm rolling again,
    > fresh and clean, just have to U/D SP2.

    Yes! This is what I want to do. What do you recommend?

    Your shorthand of "U/D" means uninstall and download of service pack #2?
  8. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Gary C" <Clem_Kadiddlehopper@CrazyGooginhiemer.com> wrote:

    > Am I incorrect in assuming that in creating two partitions:
    > one for operating system and one for applications,
    > if I ever need to do a clean install of Windows in the future,
    > I can reformat the OS partition, and reinstall WinXP,
    > without losing data on the other partition?
    > WinXP would then be isolated to that partition.

    Yes, and it is hidden until you need it.

    The tool you can use is called Partition Manager. It will copy
    Windows XP partitions.

    Others have other methods, this is how I do it (currently).
    Produce/format a partition and install Windows XP. Do not install
    any applications except Partition Manager until you have configured
    Windows XP to your liking. While you are configuring Windows,
    periodically make copies of that partition. That way, if something
    goes wrong during the configuration process, you can restore the
    most recent clean Windows XP partition. Why not install applications
    to a different partition? Because the operating system has become so
    large and cumbersome to configure, it takes up the greatest amount
    of time during a reinstallation. Getting Windows configured is the
    major task for me. I also add my favorite applications first and
    continue doing back ups of that partition which includes Windows.
    How advanced I want my backup partition, takes into consideration
    how soon I think my next mainboard will be. I should probably keep a
    more basic installation than I have been lately. My other partitions
    or for data and personal files, things I consider most important.
    The smallest partition holds whatever data I consider most important
    and the size matches my writable CD size (750MB) so I can easily put
    that data on a backup CD.

    One good thing about having a backup Windows partition is that you
    can troubleshoot Windows problems simply by restoring that
    partition, or just switch/boot to that partition and (without
    lingering) determine whether the problem exists there.

    Good luck.
  9. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:57:12 GMT, "Gary C"
    <Clem_Kadiddlehopper@CrazyGooginhiemer.com> wrote:

    >
    >"IDIDIT" <vschu@pion.net> wrote in message
    >news:gm3v411e033eeiom87lp58su7son6t6hf4@4ax.com...
    >>
    >> {snip}
    >> my 300G drive is set up with C at 15G, D and the
    >> rest around 75G each for MPs and photo storage, each pic I save are a
    >> total of 10-15meg, eats up storage. The drive image (backup) for C is
    >> around 5-7G, it would be huge if all were on 1 partition besides the
    >> large time frame to image and reinstall.
    >
    >Interesting.
    >
    >> Every few months I like to
    >> install a fresh XP image made when first installing XP, before a lot
    >> of clutter was put on C. Takes about 15 minutes and I'm rolling again,
    >> fresh and clean, just have to U/D SP2.
    >
    >Yes! This is what I want to do. What do you recommend?

    The way I install the OS is to install XP with all the updates I need.
    Then make a image and label it something like IMAGE #1 of the name of
    the C partition, Then perhaps load Photoshop and label the image as
    such, then scanning software then another image etc. all told I have
    6-8 working applications, that's how many images that I keep
    permanently. I then make a weekly image, keeping about 3-4 then
    culling the oldest. Lately I've gone to using a dedicated drive for my
    film scanning which uses a lot of storage space and because so much of
    it has a lot of value to me I just have a duplicate firewire scanner
    drive for back up. I'm thinking of a new firewire unit that holds 2
    drives and is fan cooled for my digital photos. I suggest making sure
    the firewire enclosure has chips that will allow large drive usage and
    has good drive cooling. Most of the above is a result of cheap drives,
    around $/50 a gig. compared to my first 40 meg PC.
    >
    >Your shorthand of "U/D" means uninstall and download of service pack #2?


    Up Date Explorer and applications.
  10. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    I wrote:

    < snip >

    By the way. Using a disk manager, I go through Control Panel --
    System -- Advanced -- Startup and Recovery (Settings) and delete the
    contents of boot.ini immediately after beginning the Windows XP
    installation. I think that allows the disk manager to determine the
    boot partition without complications.
  11. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
    news:Xns962D8AA22547wisdomfolly@207.115.63.158...
    > "Gary C" <Clem_Kadiddlehopper@CrazyGooginhiemer.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Am I incorrect in assuming that in creating two partitions:
    > > one for operating system and one for applications,
    > > if I ever need to do a clean install of Windows in the future,
    > > I can reformat the OS partition, and reinstall WinXP,
    > > without losing data on the other partition?
    > > WinXP would then be isolated to that partition.
    >
    > Yes, and it is hidden until you need it.
    >
    > The tool you can use is called Partition Manager. It will copy
    > Windows XP partitions.

    John, just to clarify things during my senoir moments,
    Partition Magic not only does my partition work, but will also
    make a copy of my OS on drive _ , to be placed onto a separate
    partition for safe keeping?


    {snip}
    >
    > One good thing about having a backup Windows partition is that you
    > can troubleshoot Windows problems simply by restoring that
    > partition, or just switch/boot to that partition and (without
    > lingering) determine whether the problem exists there.
    >

    I like this idea!

    > Good luck.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    "IDIDIT" <vschu@pion.net> wrote in message
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    >
    > The way I install the OS is to install XP with all the updates I need.

    Yes.

    > Then make a image

    Using _________ ?

    (just trying to learn)
  13. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    "Gary C" <Clem_Kadiddlehopper@CrazyGooginhiemer.com> wrote:
    > "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message

    (I realize I did a bad job of snipping in my last reply)

    >> The tool you can use is called Partition Manager. It will copy
    >> Windows XP partitions.

    > John, just to clarify things during my senoir moments,
    > Partition Magic not only does my partition work, but will also
    > make a copy of my OS on drive _ , to be placed onto a separate
    > partition for safe keeping?

    Talking about a whole partition, the partition Windows resides on
    (almost always referred to as drive C). Besides making partitions, a
    disk manager copies partitions to the same or another disk drive.
    Those partitions can be hidden from Windows.

    PartitionMagic 8 has been problematic in Windows XP, for making
    copies of the operating-system partition, I have to use it from the
    boot CD where disk work is much slower. You need a disk manager you
    can use from within Windows, like 7tools Partition Manager 2005. You
    have to buy it, the demo doesn't do anything.

    Yes, you can make backup copies of your Windows partition. By
    "Windows partition", I mean the partition you install Windows to.
    While you are learning, be sure to keep proper removable media
    backups of your important files.

    Immediately after you install Windows XP (PartitionMagic or
    Partition Manager), as already explained, delete the contents of
    boot.ini and save it empty. To test whether the backup will work,
    delete the Windows XP partition, restore the copy, and then boot to
    it. Do that test before you do too much work on the installation, to
    be sure you can restore the backup.

    Disk managers rock (always backup your data).
  14. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 01:22:35 GMT, "Gary C"
    <Clem_Kadiddlehopper@CrazyGooginhiemer.com> wrote:

    >
    >"IDIDIT" <vschu@pion.net> wrote in message
    >news:t0k051h0b2b1ttvku7gs16ngsk59o12s2r@4ax.com...
    >>
    >> The way I install the OS is to install XP with all the updates I need.
    >
    >Yes.
    >
    >> Then make a image
    >
    >Using _________ ?
    >
    >(just trying to learn)


    TRUEIMAGE by Acronis
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    On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:02:31 GMT, "Gary C"
    <Clem_Kadiddlehopper@CrazyGooginhiemer.com> wrote:

    >Assuming one installs a new 100gig SATA hard drive,
    >(using 100 for ease, i.e. gigabits or percentage)
    >what have you folks here found, as your best partition(s) set up,
    >for an everyday, average, power user?
    >
    >FWIW, My main goal is to isolate WinXP for optimal performance,
    >read - less headaches.
    >
    >Should it have any bearing, currently running and upgrading:
    >
    >WinXP (sp1) upgrade on Win98SE
    >InWin full tower
    >Thermaltake 480 watt PSU
    >Abit AV8 (sckt939)
    >AMD 64 3000
    >2 X 512mbs PC3200
    >80gig 7200rpm Maxtor (master - no partitions)
    >10gig 7200rpm IBM (slave - no partitions)
    >NVidia G Force3 Ti200
    >Creative Audiology Gamer
    >CD-RW drive


    I like to have a couple of smaller partitions (5-10gigs) for
    downloading files and unzipping things. You can use "Search for
    files" then on the partition and quickly extract things you want like
    *.jpg, *.png, *.par, etc files and leave the junk files and unzipped
    directories behind for later deletion. This way you can quickly and
    easily deal with incompetent file naming issues (1.jpg 2.jpg) by
    junior league uploaders ;)

    I use a two hard disk system so I can transfer files in process from
    one drive to the other. Works well with Newsplex and agent and binary
    zipped conglomerations of all sorts.
  16. Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt (More info?)

    I wrote:

    (I really like disk managers)

    > PartitionMagic 8 has been problematic in Windows XP, for making
    > copies of the operating-system partition, I have to use it from
    > the boot CD where disk work is much slower. You need a disk
    > manager you can use from within Windows, like 7tools Partition
    > Manager 2005. You have to buy it, the demo doesn't do anything.

    The Partition Manager boot CD uses Linux. So I guess that makes me
    a Linux user now [playing]. So far so good. If it continues to do
    what it is supposed to do without serious bugs, it is a
    steal (downloadable for $30). It puts up a nag prompt when you
    want to produce an NTFS partition, there should be a setting to
    disable that prompt, it sounds anti-Microsoft.

    If you need any real-time help with disk manager stuff, feel
    free to add me to your MSN messenger contact list (lshaping
    hotmail).
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    Major correction.

    Do not delete the contents of boot.ini

    When using PartitionMagic to make copies of the Windows XP
    partition, somehow, deleting the contents of boot.ini seemed to
    prevent a critical boot error.

    "Autochk program not found - skipping autocheck"

    According to the Usenet archives, some solutions have been found
    but nobody understands what causes that error.

    Apparently Partition Manager handles the boot disk stuff correctly
    without any adjustments to Windows XP. But, to uphold my prior
    suggestion, even though the system was booting my new
    installations of Windows XP just fine, I deleted the contents of
    boot.ini there. That locked me out.

    So, from outside of Windows, I restored the contents of boot.ini
    to the new installation, and just for fun also restored the
    boot.ini to my old installation which had been manipulated with
    PartitionMagic. Surprisingly, that installation would not boot.

    The old installation will not boot with boot.ini and the two new
    installations will not boot without boot.ini. Go figure.

    Apparently there are other factors involved with this error
    besides boot.ini.

    "Autochk program not found - skipping autocheck"
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    Thanks for your reply.

    "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
    news:Xns962EDB5E8516wisdomfolly@207.115.63.158...
    > "Gary C" <Clem_Kadiddlehopper@CrazyGooginhiemer.com> wrote:
    > > "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
    >
    > (I realize I did a bad job of snipping in my last reply)
    >
    > >> The tool you can use is called Partition Manager. It will copy
    > >> Windows XP partitions.
    >
    > > John, just to clarify things during my senoir moments,
    > > Partition Magic not only does my partition work, but will also
    > > make a copy of my OS on drive _ , to be placed onto a separate
    > > partition for safe keeping?
    >
    > Talking about a whole partition, the partition Windows resides on
    > (almost always referred to as drive C). Besides making partitions, a
    > disk manager copies partitions to the same or another disk drive.
    > Those partitions can be hidden from Windows.
    >
    > PartitionMagic 8 has been problematic in Windows XP, for making
    > copies of the operating-system partition, I have to use it from the
    > boot CD where disk work is much slower. You need a disk manager you
    > can use from within Windows, like 7tools Partition Manager 2005. You
    > have to buy it, the demo doesn't do anything.
    >
    > Yes, you can make backup copies of your Windows partition. By
    > "Windows partition", I mean the partition you install Windows to.
    > While you are learning, be sure to keep proper removable media
    > backups of your important files.
    >
    > Immediately after you install Windows XP (PartitionMagic or
    > Partition Manager), as already explained, delete the contents of
    > boot.ini and save it empty. To test whether the backup will work,
    > delete the Windows XP partition, restore the copy, and then boot to
    > it. Do that test before you do too much work on the installation, to
    > be sure you can restore the backup.
    >
    > Disk managers rock (always backup your data).
    >
    >
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    Thanks for your reply.

    "IDIDIT" <vschu@pion.net> wrote in message
    news:g4e4515g3crqn8dqjnh7td0njd6uqdtrko@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 01:22:35 GMT, "Gary C"
    > <Clem_Kadiddlehopper@CrazyGooginhiemer.com> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >"IDIDIT" <vschu@pion.net> wrote in message
    > >news:t0k051h0b2b1ttvku7gs16ngsk59o12s2r@4ax.com...
    > >>
    > >> The way I install the OS is to install XP with all the updates I need.
    > >
    > >Yes.
    > >
    > >> Then make a image
    > >
    > >Using _________ ?
    > >
    > >(just trying to learn)
    >
    >
    > TRUEIMAGE by Acronis
    >
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